| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 10:09 | SeanDaly | this may be short, as I have a quite full plate today |
| 10:09 | JT4sugar | Ok |
| 10:10 | SeanDaly | in fact despite agenda there is no new news about OLPC-A joint PR; Rodrigo still waiting for my debrief of SL strategy and suggestions how could fit with OLPC-A strategy |
| 10:10 | I've been very occupied not least with changing cellphone, it's a whole new world | |
| 10:10 | I wanted to bounce the idea off you of a web interface for Sugar | |
| 10:11 | my reasoning is, the interface is unusual and is often disorienting for parents; | |
| 10:11 | a pity since parents are usually helping kids get a little start | |
| 10:12 | I saw the Paraguay OLPC association site later but they have the right idea | |
| 10:12 | bernie | lurks |
| 10:12 | SeanDaly | greets bernie |
| 10:12 | JT4sugar | A Software as a Service model or just a baisc test drive-get to know set up |
| 10:12 | bernie | SeanDaly: when you're done with the meeting, I have a proposal to discuss... please ping me |
| 10:12 | SeanDaly | bernie: ok |
| 10:12 | JT4sugar | Hi Bernie |
| 10:13 | SeanDaly | that's the thing... technically speaking I don't know if any chance Activities could run online or not |
| 10:13 | of course, demo would be great | |
| 10:13 | but Sugar reach could be multiplied if online counterpart | |
| 10:13 | dogi | hi all |
| 10:14 | SeanDaly | Someone told me at some point that HTML 5 + CSS could work wonders (and allow us to avoid Flash) |
| 10:14 | on phone... | |
| 10:14 | JT4sugar | A website that would allow interactivity with the Sugar interface would be a Great step forward |
| 10:14 | bernie | JT4sugar: hi! |
| 10:14 | dogi: hi | |
| 10:15 | JT4sugar: we'd need to rewrite Sugar in Javascript :-) | |
| 10:15 | dogi | #idea sugar on a website |
| 10:15 | SeanDaly | Yes, that's what I think |
| 10:16 | JT4sugar | bernie, How hard and how long? |
| 10:16 | SeanDaly | greets dogi |
| 10:16 | dogi | #info bernie suggest to use javascript |
| 10:16 | hi SeanDaly | |
| 10:16 | cjb | JT4sugar: my opinion: about a year. |
| 10:16 | except you don't get any activities | |
| 10:16 | SeanDaly | bernie: that would be a great big job, right? |
| 10:16 | greets cjb | |
| 10:16 | cjb | howdy |
| 10:17 | SeanDaly | hmm no Activities, no learning |
| 10:17 | cjb | yeah. I think the idea's a non-starter, but I might be being pessimistic due to under-caffeination. ;-) |
| 10:17 | SeanDaly | if that many resources are necessary we'll think about a demon then |
| 10:18 | s/demon/demo | |
| 10:18 | we have to eliminate and sidestep barriers: | |
| 10:18 | 1) the installation barrier | |
| 10:18 | 2) the unfamiliarity barrier | |
| 10:18 | walterbender | we could write the .py page in CSS and have it launch video demos of activities... |
| 10:18 | SeanDaly | 3) the no-hardware-available barrier |
| 10:19 | greets walterbender | |
| 10:19 | what's great about demo is we could record voiceovers | |
| 10:19 | JT4sugar | cjb, Meaning an actvity could never run or could if rewritten |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly | this would be reusable for DailyMotion channel |
| 10:19 | cjb | JT4sugar: you would need to rewrite all the activities in javascript too |
| 10:20 | (except there are some things javascript can't do that our current activities can) | |
| 10:20 | JT4sugar | cjb, I see |
| 10:20 | cjb | it's really not a very strong idea. there's a reason there aren't any other javascript web operating systems online. |
| 10:21 | SeanDaly | this is good I have specific answers to questions II had about feasibility |
| 10:21 | JT4sugar | Just a interactive walk through of Sugar ending in a link to download I think would be all you need |
| 10:21 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: yes quite |
| 10:21 | cjb | yeah, that's much easier. there's a particular flash version that we're interested in porting to javascript, I think? |
| 10:22 | from .uy or somewhere | |
| 10:22 | SeanDaly | we could also try Sugar-inspired home view nav, like our friends in Paraguay did |
| 10:22 | dogi | #link http://www.paraguayeduca.org/ |
| 10:22 | #info is a flash app | |
| 10:23 | cjb | cool, that's it |
| 10:23 | SeanDaly | thanks for link |
| 10:23 | JT4sugar | I think idea here is to get familiarity with interface in approachable way then let them download and discover |
| 10:23 | cjb | so the idea would be to port to JS/CSS, and add things like the frame so that we can give people an idea of how to use the real Sugar, and perhaps have explanations on everything you click on? |
| 10:24 | walterbender | cjb: I think it is a reasonable task |
| 10:24 | SeanDaly | cjb: yes, so basic familiarity with frame possible |
| 10:25 | in my experience kids & parents on non-OLPC keyboards confused until I show how to bring out frame, and the 4 screens | |
| 10:25 | cjb | walterbender: yes, think so too |
| 10:25 | perhaps the MOMA video could be used for the explanations | |
| 10:26 | SeanDaly | by the way we should talk to cherry and other keyboard OEMs, who knows for possibility of large edu orders they might be willing to make special Sugar version? |
| 10:26 | cjb | not directly, I mean as examples of the sort of text and animations we could show |
| 10:26 | JT4sugar | cjb, This could be very helpful for outreach seeing Sugar in action would spur them to download and distribute |
| 10:26 | SeanDaly | cjb: it's dated if that's the one in our gallery |
| 10:26 | oh yes | |
| 10:26 | dogi | #link http://idea.olpcorps.net/drupa[…]atorrent/idea/18/ |
| 10:26 | SeanDaly | I have been wrestling with screencam solutions |
| 10:27 | walterbender | a discussion for another time, but I would like to see a teeny bit of the frame always visible, like a tab, in the corners of the screen... |
| 10:28 | another outreach issue is download+installation... SeanDaly: did you see my draft note re USB-key manufacturer? | |
| 10:28 | SeanDaly | walterbender: I believe hiding docks on both Win and OSX leave several pixels visible in horiz bar |
| 10:28 | walterbender: yes I did but forgot to read over... have been offline for 3 days | |
| 10:28 | walterbender | SeanDaly: something to target for 0.90 |
| 10:29 | SeanDaly: np | |
| 10:29 | SeanDaly | I was gifted with an iPhone, been in discovery mode (and all my contacts mangled) |
| 10:30 | dogi: wow didn't know about that great | |
| 10:30 | re outreach & installation, | |
| 10:30 | install barrier is single biggest barrier | |
| 10:30 | dogi | SeanDaly, sorry ;) |
| 10:31 | SeanDaly | OEM preinstall would make enormous difference |
| 10:32 | particularity of OLPC (limited distribution) makes inroads difficult in developed countries | |
| 10:33 | Intel refernced Ubuntu on the Classmate after active Canonical discussions | |
| 10:34 | OLPC competitors of course a sensitive point | |
| 10:35 | My approach in that regard has been to talk about converting existing fleets | |
| 10:35 | and positioning the XO as Sugar's "first and native" platform | |
| 10:37 | I'm sorry but I have to run... very full plate.... | |
| 10:38 | let's mull over what a nice demo approximation of the Home View could do | |
| 10:38 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Draft note USB-key? |
| 10:38 | SeanDaly | greets Ron_F but I have to run I'm afraid |
| 10:39 | Ron_F | (sorry to be late) |
| 10:39 | :o) | |
| 10:39 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: walterbender cc'd me with it but I haven't read over yet |
| 10:39 | Ron_F | I will catch the log |
| 10:40 | SeanDaly | Ron_F: yes I will post the log in the usual place: bottom of here http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]ing_Team/Meetings |
| 10:40 | Ron_F | tx |
| 10:40 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, Just wondering if it's about asking to donate sticks or other |
| 10:41 | SeanDaly | Ron_F: the basic idea is to demo Sugar online... overcome unfamiliarity barrier |
| 10:41 | JT4sugar: didn(t read yet <sheepish grin> | |
| 10:41 | Ron_F | a movie? or a simulataor? |
| 10:41 | SeanDaly | Ron_F: something like this: http://www.paraguayeduca.org/ |
| 10:42 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, I'll let you go-any luck on Online store project outline I have an Educator in mind to reach out to |
| 10:42 | SeanDaly | but perhaps with Activity icons, and each one starts a film demoing the Activity |
| 10:42 | JT4sugar: no sorry i didn't put that together either will try to catch up | |
| 10:43 | Ron_F | it is cute! :o) |
| 10:43 | SeanDaly | have to run! |
| 10:43 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, thanks! |
| 10:43 | Ron_F | bye SeanDaly |
| 10:43 | SeanDaly | #endmeeting |