Time |
Nick |
Message |
10:09 |
SeanDaly |
this may be short, as I have a quite full plate today |
10:09 |
JT4sugar |
Ok |
10:10 |
SeanDaly |
in fact despite agenda there is no new news about OLPC-A joint PR; Rodrigo still waiting for my debrief of SL strategy and suggestions how could fit with OLPC-A strategy |
10:10 |
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I've been very occupied not least with changing cellphone, it's a whole new world |
10:10 |
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I wanted to bounce the idea off you of a web interface for Sugar |
10:11 |
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my reasoning is, the interface is unusual and is often disorienting for parents; |
10:11 |
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a pity since parents are usually helping kids get a little start |
10:12 |
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I saw the Paraguay OLPC association site later but they have the right idea |
10:12 |
bernie |
lurks |
10:12 |
SeanDaly |
greets bernie |
10:12 |
JT4sugar |
A Software as a Service model or just a baisc test drive-get to know set up |
10:12 |
bernie |
SeanDaly: when you're done with the meeting, I have a proposal to discuss... please ping me |
10:12 |
SeanDaly |
bernie: ok |
10:12 |
JT4sugar |
Hi Bernie |
10:13 |
SeanDaly |
that's the thing... technically speaking I don't know if any chance Activities could run online or not |
10:13 |
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of course, demo would be great |
10:13 |
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but Sugar reach could be multiplied if online counterpart |
10:13 |
dogi |
hi all |
10:14 |
SeanDaly |
Someone told me at some point that HTML 5 + CSS could work wonders (and allow us to avoid Flash) |
10:14 |
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on phone... |
10:14 |
JT4sugar |
A website that would allow interactivity with the Sugar interface would be a Great step forward |
10:14 |
bernie |
JT4sugar: hi! |
10:14 |
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dogi: hi |
10:15 |
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JT4sugar: we'd need to rewrite Sugar in Javascript :-) |
10:15 |
dogi |
#idea sugar on a website |
10:15 |
SeanDaly |
Yes, that's what I think |
10:16 |
JT4sugar |
bernie, How hard and how long? |
10:16 |
SeanDaly |
greets dogi |
10:16 |
dogi |
#info bernie suggest to use javascript |
10:16 |
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hi SeanDaly |
10:16 |
cjb |
JT4sugar: my opinion: about a year. |
10:16 |
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except you don't get any activities |
10:16 |
SeanDaly |
bernie: that would be a great big job, right? |
10:16 |
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greets cjb |
10:16 |
cjb |
howdy |
10:17 |
SeanDaly |
hmm no Activities, no learning |
10:17 |
cjb |
yeah. I think the idea's a non-starter, but I might be being pessimistic due to under-caffeination. ;-) |
10:17 |
SeanDaly |
if that many resources are necessary we'll think about a demon then |
10:18 |
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s/demon/demo |
10:18 |
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we have to eliminate and sidestep barriers: |
10:18 |
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1) the installation barrier |
10:18 |
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2) the unfamiliarity barrier |
10:18 |
walterbender |
we could write the .py page in CSS and have it launch video demos of activities... |
10:18 |
SeanDaly |
3) the no-hardware-available barrier |
10:19 |
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greets walterbender |
10:19 |
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what's great about demo is we could record voiceovers |
10:19 |
JT4sugar |
cjb, Meaning an actvity could never run or could if rewritten |
10:19 |
SeanDaly |
this would be reusable for DailyMotion channel |
10:19 |
cjb |
JT4sugar: you would need to rewrite all the activities in javascript too |
10:20 |
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(except there are some things javascript can't do that our current activities can) |
10:20 |
JT4sugar |
cjb, I see |
10:20 |
cjb |
it's really not a very strong idea. there's a reason there aren't any other javascript web operating systems online. |
10:21 |
SeanDaly |
this is good I have specific answers to questions II had about feasibility |
10:21 |
JT4sugar |
Just a interactive walk through of Sugar ending in a link to download I think would be all you need |
10:21 |
SeanDaly |
JT4sugar: yes quite |
10:21 |
cjb |
yeah, that's much easier. there's a particular flash version that we're interested in porting to javascript, I think? |
10:22 |
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from .uy or somewhere |
10:22 |
SeanDaly |
we could also try Sugar-inspired home view nav, like our friends in Paraguay did |
10:22 |
dogi |
#link http://www.paraguayeduca.org/ |
10:22 |
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#info is a flash app |
10:23 |
cjb |
cool, that's it |
10:23 |
SeanDaly |
thanks for link |
10:23 |
JT4sugar |
I think idea here is to get familiarity with interface in approachable way then let them download and discover |
10:23 |
cjb |
so the idea would be to port to JS/CSS, and add things like the frame so that we can give people an idea of how to use the real Sugar, and perhaps have explanations on everything you click on? |
10:24 |
walterbender |
cjb: I think it is a reasonable task |
10:24 |
SeanDaly |
cjb: yes, so basic familiarity with frame possible |
10:25 |
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in my experience kids & parents on non-OLPC keyboards confused until I show how to bring out frame, and the 4 screens |
10:25 |
cjb |
walterbender: yes, think so too |
10:25 |
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perhaps the MOMA video could be used for the explanations |
10:26 |
SeanDaly |
by the way we should talk to cherry and other keyboard OEMs, who knows for possibility of large edu orders they might be willing to make special Sugar version? |
10:26 |
cjb |
not directly, I mean as examples of the sort of text and animations we could show |
10:26 |
JT4sugar |
cjb, This could be very helpful for outreach seeing Sugar in action would spur them to download and distribute |
10:26 |
SeanDaly |
cjb: it's dated if that's the one in our gallery |
10:26 |
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oh yes |
10:26 |
dogi |
#link http://idea.olpcorps.net/drupa[…]atorrent/idea/18/ |
10:26 |
SeanDaly |
I have been wrestling with screencam solutions |
10:27 |
walterbender |
a discussion for another time, but I would like to see a teeny bit of the frame always visible, like a tab, in the corners of the screen... |
10:28 |
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another outreach issue is download+installation... SeanDaly: did you see my draft note re USB-key manufacturer? |
10:28 |
SeanDaly |
walterbender: I believe hiding docks on both Win and OSX leave several pixels visible in horiz bar |
10:28 |
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walterbender: yes I did but forgot to read over... have been offline for 3 days |
10:28 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: something to target for 0.90 |
10:29 |
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SeanDaly: np |
10:29 |
SeanDaly |
I was gifted with an iPhone, been in discovery mode (and all my contacts mangled) |
10:30 |
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dogi: wow didn't know about that great |
10:30 |
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re outreach & installation, |
10:30 |
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install barrier is single biggest barrier |
10:30 |
dogi |
SeanDaly, sorry ;) |
10:31 |
SeanDaly |
OEM preinstall would make enormous difference |
10:32 |
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particularity of OLPC (limited distribution) makes inroads difficult in developed countries |
10:33 |
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Intel refernced Ubuntu on the Classmate after active Canonical discussions |
10:34 |
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OLPC competitors of course a sensitive point |
10:35 |
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My approach in that regard has been to talk about converting existing fleets |
10:35 |
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and positioning the XO as Sugar's "first and native" platform |
10:37 |
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I'm sorry but I have to run... very full plate.... |
10:38 |
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let's mull over what a nice demo approximation of the Home View could do |
10:38 |
JT4sugar |
walterbender, Draft note USB-key? |
10:38 |
SeanDaly |
greets Ron_F but I have to run I'm afraid |
10:39 |
Ron_F |
(sorry to be late) |
10:39 |
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:o) |
10:39 |
SeanDaly |
JT4sugar: walterbender cc'd me with it but I haven't read over yet |
10:39 |
Ron_F |
I will catch the log |
10:40 |
SeanDaly |
Ron_F: yes I will post the log in the usual place: bottom of here http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]ing_Team/Meetings |
10:40 |
Ron_F |
tx |
10:40 |
JT4sugar |
SeanDaly, Just wondering if it's about asking to donate sticks or other |
10:41 |
SeanDaly |
Ron_F: the basic idea is to demo Sugar online... overcome unfamiliarity barrier |
10:41 |
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JT4sugar: didn(t read yet <sheepish grin> |
10:41 |
Ron_F |
a movie? or a simulataor? |
10:41 |
SeanDaly |
Ron_F: something like this: http://www.paraguayeduca.org/ |
10:42 |
JT4sugar |
SeanDaly, I'll let you go-any luck on Online store project outline I have an Educator in mind to reach out to |
10:42 |
SeanDaly |
but perhaps with Activity icons, and each one starts a film demoing the Activity |
10:42 |
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JT4sugar: no sorry i didn't put that together either will try to catch up |
10:43 |
Ron_F |
it is cute! :o) |
10:43 |
SeanDaly |
have to run! |
10:43 |
JT4sugar |
SeanDaly, thanks! |
10:43 |
Ron_F |
bye SeanDaly |
10:43 |
SeanDaly |
#endmeeting |