Time |
Nick |
Message |
10:05 |
walterbender |
#topic email list |
10:05 |
cjb |
ok, here's what I was able to come up with, don't know if anyone will like it :) |
10:05 |
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a) new list: slobs-members@. goes only to slobs. |
10:06 |
bernie |
waves |
10:06 |
walterbender |
ciao bernardo |
10:06 |
SeanDaly |
hi bernie |
10:06 |
walterbender |
cjb: is there a b) ? |
10:06 |
cjb |
yes, moment |
10:07 |
bernie |
cjb: I have a counter-proposal: creating a teams@ list for all team leaders and slobs, and unsubscribing non-slobs from slobs@ |
10:08 |
cjb |
bernie: wait for me to finish, though. |
10:08 |
walterbender |
is waiting for part b |
10:08 |
cjb |
b) slobs@ becomes the proper list for SLOBS business. |
10:08 |
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.. SLOBS business includes questions from the community about policy .. |
10:08 |
walterbender |
cjb: for adding agenda items... |
10:09 |
cjb |
yeah! |
10:09 |
walterbender |
an open list, presumably |
10:09 |
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seems orthogonal to Bernie's suggestion |
10:09 |
SeanDaly |
I thought we had said an agenda proposal went thru a SLOB? |
10:09 |
cjb |
yes. and, I think most of the mail currently on slobs@ can stay on that open list |
10:09 |
tomeu |
doesn't understand what team leaders have to do in all this |
10:10 |
cjb |
not everyone will want to subscribe to it |
10:10 |
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most of it will be organizational minutia, after all |
10:10 |
SeanDaly |
also would hesitate to add team leader layer... |
10:10 |
walterbender |
cjb: I guess the only question is whether we couldn't just use iaep for the same purpose |
10:10 |
cjb |
walterbender: only for the reason I just gave |
10:10 |
bernie |
tomeu, SeanDaly: currently, we have almost all team leaders subscribed to slobs@. and it helps for coordination. |
10:11 |
tomeu |
bernie: how it helps to coordinate anything? |
10:11 |
cjb |
there may be people who want to read iaep@ and don't want to read boring financial details or policy questions |
10:11 |
SeanDaly |
bernie: ok but they are all on IAEP too, no? |
10:11 |
walterbender |
I am genrally in favor of fewer lists and more sunject-line tags |
10:11 |
SeanDaly |
maybe iaep with a subject slobs business? |
10:11 |
walterbender |
^sun^sub |
10:12 |
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[SLOBS] |
10:12 |
bernie |
SeanDaly: teams@ would not be open. it would be the same of the current slobs@, in my mind. |
10:13 |
SeanDaly |
imagines Mel reacting to phrase "would not be open" ;-) |
10:13 |
walterbender |
bernie: what team business needs to be private? hypathetical, pelase> |
10:13 |
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please? |
10:13 |
tomeu |
bernie: team coordinators are chosen by a criteria that is not too related to their suitability to be aware of confidential matters |
10:13 |
cjb |
SeanDaly: we should probably ask the people on iaep whether they'd like that or not, if we go this route |
10:14 |
tomeu |
cjb: do you think we have sent too much administrative stuff already? |
10:14 |
SeanDaly |
cjb: I certainly agree governance minutiae boring for many, but then again, the day a complaint about e.g. finances comes in, financial discussions clear |
10:14 |
cjb |
tomeu: to iaep? no |
10:15 |
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tomeu: but I'm talking about moving ~80% of SLOBs list traffic there |
10:15 |
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and it seems like that would be too much |
10:15 |
tomeu |
don't think we have much traffic in slobs |
10:15 |
SeanDaly |
slobs fairly low-volume in my view |
10:15 |
cjb |
I guess that's true |
10:15 |
tomeu |
also, while some admin stuff could be boring, the discussions that could ensure could be very interesting |
10:15 |
walterbender |
cjb: the original motivation for my request for a private list was to keep the slobs traffic lower |
10:16 |
tomeu |
and chances are people would forget to forward to iaep and keep the discussion there |
10:16 |
cjb |
walterbender: could you elaborate? |
10:16 |
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you mean, keep the slobs@ traffic lower? |
10:16 |
walterbender |
cjb: it is easy to ignore email with suitable [BORING SLOBS BUSINESS] subject tags :) |
10:16 |
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cjb: less slobs traffic and less private list traffic both |
10:17 |
cjb |
ok |
10:18 |
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so, perhaps we have a MOTION |
10:18 |
walterbender |
Anyway, I think we are really trying to decide between a new list and using [TAGS] on iaep |
10:19 |
tomeu |
tags++ |
10:19 |
cjb |
MOTION: close the slobs@ list to just SLOBs, move current slobs@ traffic to iaep@ with a [SLOBS] subject line tag where at all possible |
10:19 |
walterbender |
cjb: second |
10:19 |
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discussion? |
10:19 |
tomeu |
likes that motion as-is |
10:19 |
cjb |
we'll have to explain this well. people will hear the "you can't be on slobs@ part" and think it's a negative for transparency. |
10:19 |
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s/ part"/" part/ |
10:19 |
SeanDaly |
discussion: we need to explain policy to bootees |
10:20 |
cjb |
bootees? |
10:20 |
walterbender |
cjb: I'll try to explain it (and take the heat) |
10:20 |
SeanDaly |
bootee: somebody removed from list |
10:20 |
cjb |
oh :) |
10:20 |
walterbender |
any more discussion? |
10:20 |
SeanDaly |
not from me |
10:20 |
cjb |
I'm interested in what Mel and Adam think |
10:21 |
walterbender |
cjb: me too. we will get their votes. |
10:21 |
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(by email withing 96 hours?) |
10:21 |
cjb |
the problem with all voting now is that we'll pass it without them, and then they'll point out the giant flaw in our strategy :) |
10:21 |
walterbender |
(I hope my talk goes better than my typing) |
10:21 |
cjb |
would people be opposed to having all of us postpone our vote until they've had a chance to join in the discussion? |
10:21 |
walterbender |
cjb: I am fine with it. |
10:21 |
SeanDaly |
or, could be amended |
10:21 |
cjb |
excellent. okay, I'd like to do that. |
10:22 |
walterbender |
we can vote on it first thing next week... |
10:22 |
cjb |
shall we move on for now, then, with that MOTION suitably transcribed? |
10:22 |
walterbender |
OK. |
10:22 |
SeanDaly |
ok |
10:22 |
walterbender |
#task write up the motion with the minutes |
10:23 |
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next topic? |
10:23 |
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#topic lists for teams |
10:23 |
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bernie: can you explain a bit more? |
10:25 |
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bernie: ping? |
10:26 |
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friends, I am going to be called to the podium in a moment and Sean will need to take off. |
10:26 |
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can I propose a #task? |
10:26 |
cjb |
ok. maybe that's our short meeting. :) |
10:26 |
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sure |
10:26 |
walterbender |
#task: bernie: write a note about your proposal |
10:27 |
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#task: carlo has a nice document re the next topic I can circulate (to IAEP with suitable [TAG] when I get back to Boston |
10:27 |
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#task: I'll bug the DP for closure. |
10:28 |
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end meeting? |
10:28 |
tomeu |
ok with me |
10:28 |
SeanDaly |
ok with me |
10:28 |
tomeu |
goes listen to the talk |
10:28 |
walterbender |
Sorry about the awkward timing... |
10:28 |
cjb |
np |
10:28 |
walterbender |
the conference gods weren't cooperating :( |
10:28 |
SeanDaly |
knows how much "fun" it is to miss a plane |
10:28 |
walterbender |
thanks for coming everyone. Same time next week. |
10:29 |
SeanDaly |
:-) |
10:29 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: I'll tell you a Seymour/Piaget story some time :) |
10:29 |
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ok. |
10:29 |
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#endmeeting |