| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 10:05 |
homunq |
Who's here? lucian_, walterbender, silbe, bemasc, subzero, iwikiwi, assimd |
| 10:06 |
|
? |
| 10:06 |
iwikiwi |
me |
| 10:06 |
lucian_ |
homunq: here |
| 10:06 |
bemasc |
is |
| 10:06 |
tomeu |
listens |
| 10:06 |
silbe |
is there |
| 10:07 |
homunq |
OK |
| 10:07 |
|
So, it's midterm evaluation time. |
| 10:08 |
|
Have people started to do that? |
| 10:08 |
bemasc |
assimd: ping |
| 10:08 |
homunq |
Do y'all feel that expectations there are clear? |
| 10:09 |
silbe |
waited for this meeting before filling it out |
| 10:09 |
homunq |
Does anybody know where aa and BryanBerry are? |
| 10:09 |
iwikiwi |
same as silbe |
| 10:09 |
|
No idea about aa, but his mail kickstarted things for me |
| 10:11 |
lucian_ |
already filled it out |
| 10:11 |
subzero |
homunq: I got an email from him |
| 10:11 |
|
homunq: I think he'll be here |
| 10:13 |
bemasc |
lucian_: you filled out what? |
| 10:14 |
lucian_ |
bemasc: the evaluation form |
| 10:14 |
homunq |
OK. Let's do a round of the projects. Give a link and a very quick (quicker than usual) summary of progress, then talk about midterms - how you feel, doubts, etc. |
| 10:14 |
bemasc |
lucian_: are students supposed to do that? I thought it was mentors' job? |
| 10:14 |
silbe |
bemasc: both |
| 10:14 |
lucian_ |
bemasc: students also get a form |
| 10:15 |
|
can start if walterbender is listening (and others are ok with it) |
| 10:15 |
walterbender |
is all ears |
| 10:15 |
homunq |
I think the students' one is optional, though encouraged. |
| 10:15 |
|
#topic lucian_ walterbender |
| 10:15 |
lucian_ |
a bit of progress report here http://honeyweb.wordpress.com |
| 10:16 |
|
i'm working with walter to integrate my changes in Browse mainline and push out a new version |
| 10:16 |
|
and also on a text editing feature for clipboard text items |
| 10:16 |
bemasc |
found it on socghop |
| 10:17 |
lucian_ |
basically i have most of the features done |
| 10:17 |
|
they need some polish and some depend on bugs being fixed upstream |
| 10:19 |
walterbender |
doesn' |
| 10:20 |
|
doesn't have anything else to add... steady progress!! |
| 10:20 |
|
next? |
| 10:20 |
homunq |
OK, so eval-wise, you are both clear? |
| 10:21 |
walterbender |
already done. |
| 10:21 |
homunq |
what's the deal with "editing text on the clipboard"? |
| 10:21 |
|
how does that relate to the rest of the project? |
| 10:21 |
lucian_ |
homunq: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]it-panel-on-Frame |
| 10:21 |
walterbender |
we need a way to invoke a text editor |
| 10:22 |
|
so we thought a general solution where you can edit text on the clipboard would be a simple approach |
| 10:22 |
|
and generalizable |
| 10:22 |
lucian_ |
homunq: for userstyles and userscripts. i don't depend on a frame-editor, but it would be a more streamlined experience |
| 10:22 |
homunq |
OK |
| 10:22 |
walterbender |
from the UI POV, the current setup is confusing |
| 10:22 |
bemasc |
huh. weird, but interesting. |
| 10:22 |
walterbender |
lucian_: hw do you exit the editor? |
| 10:23 |
lucian_ |
walterbender: the one i have right now? just click save or cancel |
| 10:23 |
walterbender |
lucian_: save and cancel didn't show up :( |
| 10:24 |
lucian_ |
walterbender: you must have the wrong revision. try the latest from browse/webified.git |
| 10:24 |
homunq |
I think that you should look into using this with "view source" |
| 10:24 |
|
I mean, using "view source" as the way to get at user styles |
| 10:24 |
lucian_ |
homunq: yeah, i thought of that. but i don't know how i would decide what source to show |
| 10:25 |
|
homunq: when the user activates 'view source' in an SSB |
| 10:25 |
homunq |
lucian_: let's talk about that after the meeting, I have some ideas. |
| 10:25 |
lucian_ |
homunq: sure |
| 10:25 |
silbe |
lucian_: it has tabs for activity template and instance, maybe you could add another one for your stuff? |
| 10:26 |
lucian_ |
silbe: oh, right. i'll look into that |
| 10:26 |
homunq |
#topic silbe homunq versions |
| 10:27 |
silbe |
the basic prototype is working fine, maybe tomeu tried it out by now |
| 10:27 |
|
so except for the unit tests, the stuff from the GSoC proposal should be done, albeit quite basic |
| 10:27 |
homunq |
Link? |
| 10:28 |
silbe |
meanwhile i've set up a proposal for API changes and a rewrite of the datastore (http://git.sugarlabs.org/proje[…]ore-redesign.html , follow "raw blob"), see also mailing list thread about that |
| 10:28 |
homunq |
Myself, I have to really apologize for not keeping up with the meetings. I have a friend in jail in Honduras and have been very distracted by the coup there. |
| 10:29 |
silbe |
homunq: http://git.sugarlabs.org/proje[…]os/versionsupport http://git.sugarlabs.org/proje[…]os/versionsupport ://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-toolkit/repos/versionsupport |
| 10:29 |
|
homunq: no apology needed |
| 10:29 |
|
homunq: and i hope your friend gets out soon |
| 10:30 |
homunq |
thanks |
| 10:31 |
silbe |
the question now is whether to start hacking at the new prototype (most of the proposal seemed to be fine with Tomeu and Eben) or to refine the basic prototype for GSoC and do the new one later. |
| 10:32 |
homunq |
What is your preference? |
| 10:33 |
silbe |
homunq: the new one is more like what i inteded to do, so i obviously prefer starting to hack on it. OTOH it's a large piece of work and most likely won't be finished during GSoC period. |
| 10:34 |
|
but if the new one gets done, the old one most likely won't be merged, so working on it seems to be a waste of time |
| 10:34 |
|
i'd like to hear Tomeus opinion on this... |
| 10:35 |
tomeu |
well, figuring out the best design is a big part of it, but in order to validate it we need to evaluate its robustness and performance |
| 10:35 |
|
not sure a prototype is enough for that, unfortunately |
| 10:35 |
homunq |
I do not think that we should do the old one if the *only* reason is GSoC schedule and prior commitment |
| 10:36 |
tomeu |
silbe: your redesign document talks about lots of things not in the scope of your original gsoc proposal |
| 10:36 |
|
what about reducing the scope back? |
| 10:37 |
|
from my POV, adding what we need about versions to the current DS shouldn't be an absurd amount of work |
| 10:37 |
|
but that's focusing on adding versions, and dropping the rest of the stuff |
| 10:37 |
silbe |
tomeu: you mean doing only the API change, but with the old datastore still under the hood? that would be an idea... |
| 10:38 |
tomeu |
silbe: yeah, though maybe not the new API as we would like most, we may need to make some compromises |
| 10:38 |
bemasc |
an incremental API update |
| 10:38 |
tomeu |
another way of looking at this, is implementing what you explain in the redesign document in several steps |
| 10:38 |
|
the first one being the bare minimum we need about versions |
| 10:39 |
|
that should play well with the gsoc as well |
| 10:39 |
homunq |
silbe, do you think you could do this within GSoC time? |
| 10:39 |
tomeu |
as an aside, before we forget, we should check what's the best way to do versioned D-Bus interfaces |
| 10:39 |
silbe |
homunq: i guess so. definitely worth a try. |
| 10:40 |
homunq |
OK. I think we have to move on now. |
| 10:40 |
|
#topic bemasc assimd ... |
| 10:40 |
silbe |
tomeu: well, at the very least we could add a function to return a version and name functions with different signatures differently |
| 10:42 |
homunq |
bemasc? |
| 10:42 |
bemasc |
Hey all. |
| 10:42 |
|
Haven't done much in code, apart from fixing a bug. |
| 10:43 |
|
I had a long discussion with Eben, planning out how asynchronous collab and merge has to work. This week I'll draw up a mockup for a necessary UI change, and then start implementing it. |
| 10:44 |
tomeu |
silbe: yeah, just remembered I read some best practices somewhere |
| 10:44 |
bemasc |
Specifically, a UI change in Glucose, so that when you resume an Activity from the Journal, if there's already a shared instance with the same activity_id, you have the option to merge with them or work on your own. |
| 10:45 |
homunq |
if you work on your own, the split is permanent? |
| 10:45 |
bemasc |
no |
| 10:45 |
|
The activity_id should be preserved, so you get the same choice if you start from the Journal again (and the shared session is still running) |
| 10:46 |
|
It occurs to me that an additional option in the "Share With" dropdown might be appropriate as well. |
| 10:46 |
homunq |
I'd call that semi-synchronous... true asynch would be if the other person is visible but not running the instance. |
| 10:47 |
bemasc |
It's asynchronous because you can go home (no network), work on your own, start your session from the Journal, and merge with the group. |
| 10:47 |
|
Currently, there is essentially no support for this. |
| 10:48 |
homunq |
yes, it is clearly a big step towards asynchronous |
| 10:48 |
bemasc |
sorry. Go home, work, return to school, start from Journal, merge with group. |
| 10:48 |
homunq |
but what if there are two people, each goes home and works, then they come back and one starts up again |
| 10:48 |
|
no chance to merge because the other one is not running the instance, even though the data is in theory accessible. |
| 10:48 |
bemasc |
You're saying you want automatic "pull" for changes? |
| 10:49 |
|
Well, maybe once we have Object Sharing we can revisit that problem. |
| 10:49 |
homunq |
well, maybe only one more step towards that |
| 10:49 |
|
for instance, automatically send that person a notification, "I |
| 10:50 |
bemasc |
anyway, that's my status. I haven't seen assimd for a while. I hope he writes me a midterm eval... |
| 10:50 |
homunq |
m starting again" so they can manually start and you two can sync. |
| 10:50 |
|
I think hoping is not good enough. |
| 10:50 |
bemasc |
I can send him an e-mail. |
| 10:51 |
|
homunq: that's not too far from the current Invitation mechanism. It would be cool to send invitations to previous participants when resuming a shared session. |
| 10:51 |
homunq |
We need a backup plan, too. Do you have anyone else you'd like to have as a mentor? |
| 10:52 |
bemasc |
I hadn't given it much thought. |
| 10:53 |
walterbender |
can be the bureaucrat and tester for the project :) |
| 10:53 |
homunq |
wonders what's up with subzero - I was saving him because bryan was gonna be here but oh well. |
| 10:53 |
walterbender |
I want to use it as a developer. |
| 10:53 |
bemasc |
walterbender: I'd certainly be happy to provide any development support I can. |
| 10:53 |
homunq |
OK. do you think I should just go ahead and reassign you? |
| 10:54 |
subzero_ |
sorry, my network... |
| 10:54 |
walterbender |
homunq: sure, why not> |
| 10:54 |
bemasc |
homunq: I'll send an e-mail to assimd. |
| 10:54 |
|
or... ok. |
| 10:54 |
homunq |
walterbender: you have power to reassign yourself, right? |
| 10:55 |
walterbender |
homunq: I think so... I can dig into my old email... |
| 10:55 |
|
bemasc: let's chat afterward. don't want to leave assimd out if he still has time to help |
| 10:55 |
homunq |
bemasc: what's your preference, if any? Just switch, or give assimd another chance? I'm OK with both, as long as we don't wait for too long. |
| 10:56 |
bemasc |
let's give subzero_ a few minutes. |
| 10:56 |
homunq |
OK |
| 10:56 |
|
#topic subzero_ bryan |
| 10:57 |
|
how are your eyes? There is a chance we could get you a medical extension if you have doctor's note. grrrr network. |
| 10:57 |
|
hmm... |
| 10:57 |
|
OK, #topic iwikiwi aa |
| 10:58 |
iwikiwi |
Hi |
| 10:58 |
homunq |
#topic subzero_ bryan |
| 10:58 |
|
sorry iwikiwi, best to do subzero1 while we can |
| 10:58 |
|
how are your eyes? There is a chance we could get you a medical extension if you have doctor's note. grrrr network. |
| 10:59 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: oh, oaky |
| 10:59 |
subzero__ |
my last activity (working on it): http://karma.sugarlabs.org/adding_up_to_10/ |
| 11:00 |
homunq |
subzero__: how are your eyes? There is a chance we could get you a medical extension if you have doctor's note. |
| 11:01 |
|
iwikiwi: I think we'll have to do you in #sugar, can people stay another 10-15 minutes there to wrap up properly, so we can cede the room in 2 minutes? |
| 11:02 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: sure, i will be here |
| 11:02 |
homunq |
Obviously, it's OK if some people have to take off, but please stay whoever can easily do so. |
| 11:02 |
silbe |
homunq: what about #sugar-meeting2 ? |
| 11:03 |
|
(instead of #sugar) |
| 11:03 |
homunq |
OK, people, please join over there. |
| 11:03 |
subzero1_ |
homunq: cna you rad this? |
| 11:03 |
homunq |
subzero1_: yes |
| 11:03 |
subzero1_ |
sorry again, my network sucks |
| 11:04 |
homunq |
did you get my question about your eyes? |
| 11:04 |
|
subzero1_: we are moving to #sugar-meeting2 |
| 11:04 |
subzero1_ |
homunq: ok |
| 11:04 |
homunq |
Is the other meeting waiting on this room? |
| 11:06 |
garycmartin |
homunq: Sean just mailed the list, not sure the marketing meeting is happening today. |
| 11:07 |
homunq |
Oh, OK |
| 11:07 |
|
so we'll continue here |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:02] <subzero1_> homunq: about my eyes, thanks for asking, I'm getting better |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:03] --> lucian_ has joined this channel (n=lucian sunjammer.sugarlabs.org). |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:03] <homunq> subzero1_: do you think you need an extension? If so, do you have documentation? We may be able to swing that... |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:03] <homunq> no promises. |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:04] <bemasc> argh |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:05] <subzero1_> homunq: I'm followint the timeline and the next week I'll be free of school, so I'll have all the time for GSoC and to rest |
| 11:09 |
|
[10:05] <subzero1_> homunq: about the documentation, of course I have it, also I understand the situation |
| 11:09 |
|
bemasc: ? |
| 11:10 |
bemasc |
just complaining about the IRC disorganization. carry on. |
| 11:11 |
homunq |
OK, subzero1_, have you talked to Bryan about evaluations? |
| 11:12 |
|
hmmm... his network is really bad, iwikiwi, feel free to jump in. We can multithread this meeting. |
| 11:12 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: here or there? |
| 11:13 |
|
homunq: sugar side with usb printing *works* and integrates well with the device icon |
| 11:13 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: that's great! using a Print activity? |
| 11:13 |
iwikiwi |
bemasc: yep |
| 11:14 |
homunq |
link (/me a nag) |
| 11:14 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: will it work with sugar 0.84? |
| 11:14 |
iwikiwi |
bemasc: I havent checked with on the XO yet, but works great with jhbuild |
| 11:14 |
|
homunq: http://git.sugarlabs.org/proje[…]/read/repos/print sorry, couldnt blog it |
| 11:15 |
|
hopes someone can look into their logs for tinypic urls |
| 11:15 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: you should check if it works with Strawberry. If it does, I think you should immediately do a release (version 1). |
| 11:15 |
iwikiwi |
sorry again, using a freshly formatted system |
| 11:15 |
bemasc |
(and talk to the Soas-Fedora devs about getting the CUPS dependencies in, etc.) |
| 11:16 |
iwikiwi |
bemasc: what is strawberry? |
| 11:16 |
|
bemasc: yep, will do that |
| 11:16 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_Stick/Strawberry |
| 11:17 |
|
IMHO, printing via direct USB connection is a very important feature, and getting that released, tested, documented, and publicized should be a priority. |
| 11:17 |
iwikiwi |
bemasc: okay, I will work on getting it on strawberry |
| 11:18 |
subzero |
sorry again...again my network |
| 11:18 |
iwikiwi |
bemasc: one glitch atm, I couldnt figure out how to make individual page selections, I will have to talk to gtk+ ppl again about that. Thats the *only* bug |
| 11:18 |
homunq |
subzero: go ahead, we are doing you and iwikiwi simultaneously now. |
| 11:18 |
subzero |
homunq: ok |
| 11:19 |
bemasc |
iwikiwi: ok. |
| 11:19 |
subzero |
here is the activity in what I'm working now: http://karma.sugarlabs.org/adding_up_to_10/ |
| 11:19 |
homunq |
iwikiwi: have you talked to aa about the evaluation? |
| 11:19 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: He wanted me to finish up with moodle as well |
| 11:19 |
subzero |
Bryan and me are working around i18n |
| 11:20 |
silbe |
subzero: is it supposed to work outside Sugar? |
| 11:20 |
iwikiwi |
and Ive just started on moodle, and im working on very few features for it, as im low on time |
| 11:20 |
subzero |
silbe: some parts, at this point yes. |
| 11:21 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: also as martin and aa were against it, the assigment modules enhancement to have a printing feature was dropped |
| 11:21 |
subzero |
our objective is to load the text, images and sound according to the localization |
| 11:21 |
iwikiwi |
so im working on something new |
| 11:21 |
silbe |
subzero: doesn't for me (iceweasel on debian lenny), it's just static and i see text like "choose an option: choose an option" :-/ |
| 11:22 |
subzero |
at this point just the text works |
| 11:22 |
silbe |
ah, ok, so it actually works like designed |
| 11:23 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: were we supposed to finish everything by now? |
| 11:23 |
subzero |
silbe: about the image, you must see some objects (figures) |
| 11:24 |
silbe |
subzero: i see three yellow, two white and two black "boxes", all empty |
| 11:24 |
subzero |
silbe: about the text, it must be in spanish, english, hebrew and nepalli (not yet ) |
| 11:24 |
silbe |
subzero: can confirm the text works |
| 11:24 |
homunq |
iwikiwi: this is midterm evaluations. You should be on track with your original schedule. That usually does not mean 100% finished, but certainly more than half of features touched. |
| 11:25 |
subzero |
silbe: damn, let me check it |
| 11:25 |
homunq |
subzero and iwikiwi: the point is, we need to be 100% sure that aa and bryan are filling out an evaluation of your status |
| 11:25 |
silbe |
subzero: the CSS seems to contain some errors (at least iceweasel complains about it), but probably nothing that should cause it to fail showing images) |
| 11:26 |
subzero |
homunq: I got an email from Bryan yesterday about our meeting |
| 11:26 |
homunq |
the deadline is "before monday", when Google says "before" they mean it. |
| 11:27 |
subzero |
homunq: monday 13th I think |
| 11:27 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: you mean you have to send the evaluations today itself, i thought it was till 13th |
| 11:27 |
homunq |
no |
| 11:27 |
|
I mean yes. The 13th. |
| 11:28 |
subzero |
silbe: I got it, it's my fault I didn't load the activity.js |
| 11:28 |
homunq |
iwikiwi, subzero: can you suggest other time(s) to meet with you and your mentors? We need to hear from them to be sure. |
| 11:29 |
subzero |
does anyone know why I get an error when sync with gitorious? |
| 11:29 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: aa should be available in a few hrs |
| 11:29 |
silbe |
subzero: ah, ok. i thought maybe it's an incompatibility. what error do you get with gitorious? |
| 11:29 |
iwikiwi |
homunq: at worst he will be available around your night |
| 11:30 |
subzero |
I think Bryan will be in #olenepal soon |
| 11:30 |
|
also into #sugar |
| 11:31 |
homunq |
OK. let's check in again at 1830 UTC today, can you both try to contact your mentors before then if possible so they're there...??? |
| 11:31 |
subzero |
ok |
| 11:32 |
iwikiwi |
1830 UTC is how many hrs more? |
| 11:32 |
homunq |
in 3 hours from right now |
| 11:32 |
iwikiwi |
okay |
| 11:33 |
homunq |
OK. I think we should wrap up... |
| 11:33 |
|
anybody else have anything to say? |
| 11:34 |
|
(sorry but we're over time, obviously there are several technical discussions still running and I hope that those continue. |
| 11:34 |
|
for this meeting, we can stop if there's no more administrative stuff) |
| 11:35 |
subzero |
silbe: thanks for testing |
| 11:36 |
homunq |
OK then. |
| 11:36 |
|
#endmeeting |