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12:06 |
erikos |
#LINK 0.86 Roadmap http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]map/0.86#Schedule |
12:06 |
sdziallas |
will be around in ten minutes or so... |
12:06 |
erikos |
sdziallas, ok - but join silently - use the back door ;p |
12:07 |
sdziallas |
erikos: will do, will do ;) |
12:07 |
erikos |
let's update you on the idea behind it: |
12:07 |
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a) we have 13 weeks of free development |
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- Aug 21 is the Feauture freeze |
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b) we have 4 weeks of stabilizing |
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- Sep 17 is hard code freeze |
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c) the string handling |
12:09 |
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as discussed with unmadindu last week we enter in a string cooling by the 21 of august |
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* String changes have to be announced, but no exceptions have to be requested. |
12:09 |
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for two weeks starting from then |
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after Sep 04 - ** Every string change has to be requested and to be approved. |
12:10 |
unmadindu |
likes the term string cooling :-D |
12:10 |
erikos |
unmadindu, nice ;p |
12:10 |
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as you see our cycle is quite tight this time |
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which makes a good preparation even more needed |
12:11 |
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4 weeks for stabilizing is not much |
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after the feature freeze we will do a development release each week |
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and then testing should happen when it is out |
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and the bugs should get fixed as quick as possible |
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if the BugSquad and Testers and Developers work well together during that period I am sure we will get something solid together |
12:13 |
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any questions - comments so far? |
12:14 |
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I should probably summarize all this in a mail for those that are not here today |
12:14 |
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2009 Jun 05 Release goals proposal |
12:14 |
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who knows what this means? |
12:15 |
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hopes he did not scare everyone away by now ;p |
12:16 |
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ok - I want to make sure - we have a plan for the features we want to land during that release |
12:16 |
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something like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]s/20SecondStartup |
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I hope this is not only a burocreatic thing for everyone - but helps as well to phrase the ideas out |
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gives others a chance to help |
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etc |
12:18 |
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http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]map/0.86#Schedule |
12:19 |
FGrose |
Documentation -> Transparancy -> easier participation |
12:19 |
erikos |
this is our current list of proposals |
12:19 |
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FGrose, yes I hope to achieve that |
12:20 |
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does anybody has comments to that procedure? |
12:20 |
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better ideas |
12:20 |
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buhs? |
12:20 |
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claps? |
12:21 |
alsroot_ |
so, we need go through http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]86#Proposal_Goals list and choose maint for every proposal? |
12:21 |
erikos |
alsroot_, yes |
12:21 |
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that would be my next point |
12:22 |
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ok, let's do this then |
12:22 |
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** Switch to a standard WM |
12:22 |
sdziallas |
takes the back door in |
12:23 |
erikos |
unmadindu, do you want/can own that one? |
12:23 |
unmadindu |
erikos: ok |
12:23 |
erikos |
awesome |
12:23 |
unmadindu |
should be push out another status report this weekend |
12:23 |
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*should be able to |
12:23 |
sdziallas |
unmadindu: if you want us to do some early testing in soas, please let me know :) |
12:24 |
unmadindu |
sure - will do |
12:24 |
erikos |
btw: owning does not mean you have to do everything by yourself |
12:24 |
sdziallas |
cool, thanks! |
12:25 |
erikos |
but you should coordinate people |
12:25 |
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if you need help |
12:25 |
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is depending on the task of course |
12:25 |
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at least how I would declare it |
12:25 |
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I see it as: each feature has a submanager |
12:26 |
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can be the dev in the same person |
12:26 |
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ok - anyhow |
12:26 |
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** New toolbar widget |
12:26 |
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marco was interested - but I heard not back from him yet |
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benzea would be good - expertise wise - otherwise maybe I take it |
12:27 |
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I will take care of finding an owner for that |
12:27 |
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unless someone else steps up in the meantime... |
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** Browse |
12:27 |
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I guess I have to do that ;p |
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** Tags in the Journal |
12:28 |
alsroot_ |
just to inform - I do the same in Library |
12:28 |
erikos |
alsroot_, the tags part you mean? |
12:28 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: yup |
12:29 |
erikos |
alsroot_, do you have a design for that already? |
12:29 |
alsroot_ |
so, I guess having several views(not only Journal) we can use Library for that reason |
12:29 |
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erikos: I'm planing to releas v1 this week |
12:29 |
erikos |
alsroot_, wow |
12:30 |
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alsroot_, I guess we should then talk about it in detail |
12:30 |
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alsroot_, and see what overlaps |
12:30 |
alsroot_ |
agree, v1 let people choose the right direction |
12:31 |
erikos |
yup - nice |
12:31 |
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is excited |
12:31 |
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** More Accelerators (short cuts) |
12:31 |
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anyone interested in that task? |
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imho can be a quite nice task |
12:32 |
alsroot_ |
guesses it should be a policy? |
12:32 |
erikos |
needs a bit discussing with the design team etc |
12:32 |
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alsroot_, for the accelerators you mean? |
12:32 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: yup |
12:32 |
erikos |
alsroot_, that the activities use the same, yeah |
12:33 |
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right, and in the shell as well |
12:33 |
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hi gregdek |
12:33 |
FGrose |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]s/Keyboard_Action |
12:35 |
erikos |
ok I will add the link - and ask homunq about it |
12:36 |
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** Search in home view |
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anyone? |
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jzGreen_, James - could be a nice task for you, maybe |
12:37 |
tomeu |
hi, sorry I'm late |
12:38 |
alsroot_ |
btw, Home view could "implemented" in Library as well - tagging/search/launch |
12:38 |
erikos |
hey tomeu - nice you made it anyhow |
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alsroot_, do you rewrite sugar from scratch at the moment? ;p |
12:38 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: not yeat, I'm waiting for tomeu's vala binding |
12:39 |
erikos |
alsroot_, ok ;) |
12:39 |
tomeu |
heh, my pybank plans got delayed to 0.88, blog a bit ago about it |
12:39 |
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vala can come in 0.88 as well |
12:40 |
erikos |
shall we keep on going through the list? |
12:40 |
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are there any possible takers besides sayamindu and alsroot? |
12:40 |
jzGreen_ |
erikos: i dont know what that task is exactly, but I was thinking about classroom presenter for linuxtag |
12:40 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: we can use several views for Home and Journal -- and use Library for that reason |
12:41 |
erikos |
jzGreen_, oh, nice |
12:41 |
jzGreen_ |
but I wont say I'm doing it until I can :p |
12:41 |
erikos |
jzGreen_, sure thing |
12:41 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: so we can unite this section with "several views(pluggins)" |
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..for Home/Journal |
12:43 |
erikos |
alsroot_, do you have screenshots of the library? |
12:43 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: you can `git clone` it |
12:43 |
erikos |
alsroot_, I should probably have read the proposal - I can not really anticipate it yet :/ |
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ok, what next? |
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alsroot_, I guess library and journal will share code |
12:52 |
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alsroot_, or reuse it |
12:52 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: in fact Library tends to be a Journal |
12:52 |
erikos |
alsroot_, but we should still have owners for the journal items |
12:52 |
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alsroot_, so they coexist? |
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alsroot_, the library is a replacement? |
12:53 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: nope |
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I guess they can coexist |
12:53 |
erikos |
what is the rationale to not enhance the journal? |
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and make another activity out of it |
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don't say it is not ok to do that - just try to understand better |
12:54 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: "unified objects" proposal - unified way to treat all objects in sugar(including remote objects) |
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..and make it core version independent |
12:55 |
erikos |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Unified_Objects |
12:55 |
alsroot_ |
yup |
12:57 |
erikos |
ok |
12:57 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: "Decoupling of Sucrose" is related task for "and make it core version independent" |
13:00 |
erikos |
alsroot_, versioning in the ds? |
13:00 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: yup, but silbe knows better - its his proposal |
13:01 |
erikos |
alsroot_, ok |
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alsroot_, quite a big chunk for 0.86 |
13:01 |
alsroot_ |
erikos: I mean "Version support for datastore" by silbe |
13:01 |
erikos |
alsroot_, yup |
13:06 |
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ok, I think the 45 minutes are more then over |
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and maybe going through the list by each point does not give us more owners |
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I guess - the list is there - pick a task - write the proposal until the proposal dealine |
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and off you go |
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sounds good to everyone? |
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questions - comments? |
13:08 |
jzGreen_ |
I must confess I didn't know what this meeting was about, nor that the proposal goals had to find owners |
13:08 |
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I would have read more about the requirements of each to see if I could find one that I could effectively contribute to |
13:08 |
alsroot_ |
btw what about "Decoupling of Sucrose" - it doesnt require coding just declaring a bit new scheme of releasing sugar |
13:09 |
tomeu |
jzGreen_: you have plenty of time to go through the list, think about it, and find some friends to grab some stuff ;) |
13:09 |
alsroot_ |
..and of course it was my imho, and we can remove it from proposal goals |
13:10 |
erikos |
jzGreen, I will post another request to the mailing list about it |
13:10 |
jzGreen |
erikos: about what? |
13:10 |
erikos |
jzGreen, that people can pick a feature to own |
13:10 |
jzGreen |
goals -> owner mappings? |
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ok cool |
13:10 |
erikos |
jzGreen, yes |
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jzGreen, and besides those "bigger" tasks listed here |
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jzGreen, there are plenty of tasks waiting in the bug tracker |
13:11 |
FGrose |
Owner/Coordinator |
13:11 |
jzGreen |
erikos: ok. Priority towards bugtracker or this list? |
13:12 |
erikos |
FGrose, yes Owner == Coordinator |
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the person that moves the development further |
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jzGreen, that is up to you |
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jzGreen, both is more then welcome |
13:12 |
jzGreen |
erikos: some goals (like some/most bugs perhaps) dont have enough info. Who fleshes out details about goals? |
13:13 |
erikos |
jzGreen, about the goals on the list the coordinator is flashing out the details |
13:13 |
jzGreen |
ah ok |
13:14 |
erikos |
jzGreen, of course if they do not say anything to you at the moment |
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you are free to ask and I will try to answer |
13:14 |
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the bugs - there are diffeerent ones I would say |
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a) the defects that only needs a "simple" fix |
13:15 |
jzGreen |
yes, bugs have trac to take care of reqests etc |
13:15 |
erikos |
b) the one that does need a design |
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c) UI/mockup |
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right, the discussion happens in the trac ticket |
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the design part is flashed out there |
13:16 |
jzGreen |
thanks erikos, will have a read once i get my system back up |
13:16 |
erikos |
jzGreen, ok, cool |
13:16 |
jzGreen |
fedora killed part of my partition table :( |
13:16 |
erikos |
any other comments? |
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jzGreen, oups |
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jzGreen, from virtualization? |
13:18 |
jzGreen |
erikos: not sure what you mean by that. But I tried to install fedora 10 from live cd, and then 11beta |
13:19 |
erikos |
jzGreen, on a machine with an already existing system? |
13:19 |
jzGreen |
yes, triple booting with rEFIt |
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leopard/ubuntu/windows7beta |
13:20 |
erikos |
oh ok |
13:20 |
jzGreen |
rEFIt and leapard still intact, but lost ubuntu and windows |
13:21 |
erikos |
:( |
13:21 |
jzGreen |
I was hoping fedora would replace the existing ubuntu, but instead it changed the partitions then died, somewhat gracefully, but still died |
13:22 |
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was reading up on many different distros today, and each have trouble with trackpad and wifi as far as I can tell, but I had ubuntu working before no troubles |
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erikos: so to pull this back to topic, I was hoping to used fedora because that is what sugar is based on, but I also saw many other distros are now supporting it |
13:23 |
erikos |
damn, that is really bad |
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jzGreen, hmmm, heard that ubuntu support is not as good at the moment |
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jzGreen, but tomeu knows more in that regard |
13:24 |
jzGreen |
for sugar no, to run on my macbook, yes :P |
13:25 |
tomeu |
still using 8.10 :/ |
13:25 |
erikos |
oh ok ;p |
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ok, let;s close officially the meeting here |
13:26 |
jzGreen |
oh yeah |
13:26 |
erikos |
#endmeeting |