| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:06 | erikos | #LINK 0.86 Roadmap http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]map/0.86#Schedule |
| 12:06 | sdziallas | will be around in ten minutes or so... |
| 12:06 | erikos | sdziallas, ok - but join silently - use the back door ;p |
| 12:07 | sdziallas | erikos: will do, will do ;) |
| 12:07 | erikos | let's update you on the idea behind it: |
| 12:07 | a) we have 13 weeks of free development | |
| 12:08 | - Aug 21 is the Feauture freeze | |
| 12:08 | b) we have 4 weeks of stabilizing | |
| 12:08 | - Sep 17 is hard code freeze | |
| 12:09 | c) the string handling | |
| 12:09 | as discussed with unmadindu last week we enter in a string cooling by the 21 of august | |
| 12:09 | * String changes have to be announced, but no exceptions have to be requested. | |
| 12:09 | for two weeks starting from then | |
| 12:10 | after Sep 04 - ** Every string change has to be requested and to be approved. | |
| 12:10 | unmadindu | likes the term string cooling :-D |
| 12:10 | erikos | unmadindu, nice ;p |
| 12:10 | as you see our cycle is quite tight this time | |
| 12:11 | which makes a good preparation even more needed | |
| 12:11 | 4 weeks for stabilizing is not much | |
| 12:11 | after the feature freeze we will do a development release each week | |
| 12:12 | and then testing should happen when it is out | |
| 12:12 | and the bugs should get fixed as quick as possible | |
| 12:12 | if the BugSquad and Testers and Developers work well together during that period I am sure we will get something solid together | |
| 12:13 | any questions - comments so far? | |
| 12:14 | I should probably summarize all this in a mail for those that are not here today | |
| 12:14 | 2009 Jun 05 Release goals proposal | |
| 12:14 | who knows what this means? | |
| 12:15 | hopes he did not scare everyone away by now ;p | |
| 12:16 | ok - I want to make sure - we have a plan for the features we want to land during that release | |
| 12:16 | something like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]s/20SecondStartup | |
| 12:17 | I hope this is not only a burocreatic thing for everyone - but helps as well to phrase the ideas out | |
| 12:17 | gives others a chance to help | |
| 12:17 | etc | |
| 12:18 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]map/0.86#Schedule | |
| 12:19 | FGrose | Documentation -> Transparancy -> easier participation |
| 12:19 | erikos | this is our current list of proposals |
| 12:19 | FGrose, yes I hope to achieve that | |
| 12:20 | does anybody has comments to that procedure? | |
| 12:20 | better ideas | |
| 12:20 | buhs? | |
| 12:20 | claps? | |
| 12:21 | alsroot_ | so, we need go through http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]86#Proposal_Goals list and choose maint for every proposal? |
| 12:21 | erikos | alsroot_, yes |
| 12:21 | that would be my next point | |
| 12:22 | ok, let's do this then | |
| 12:22 | ** Switch to a standard WM | |
| 12:22 | sdziallas | takes the back door in |
| 12:23 | erikos | unmadindu, do you want/can own that one? |
| 12:23 | unmadindu | erikos: ok |
| 12:23 | erikos | awesome |
| 12:23 | unmadindu | should be push out another status report this weekend |
| 12:23 | *should be able to | |
| 12:23 | sdziallas | unmadindu: if you want us to do some early testing in soas, please let me know :) |
| 12:24 | unmadindu | sure - will do |
| 12:24 | erikos | btw: owning does not mean you have to do everything by yourself |
| 12:24 | sdziallas | cool, thanks! |
| 12:25 | erikos | but you should coordinate people |
| 12:25 | if you need help | |
| 12:25 | is depending on the task of course | |
| 12:25 | at least how I would declare it | |
| 12:25 | I see it as: each feature has a submanager | |
| 12:26 | can be the dev in the same person | |
| 12:26 | ok - anyhow | |
| 12:26 | ** New toolbar widget | |
| 12:26 | marco was interested - but I heard not back from him yet | |
| 12:27 | benzea would be good - expertise wise - otherwise maybe I take it | |
| 12:27 | I will take care of finding an owner for that | |
| 12:27 | unless someone else steps up in the meantime... | |
| 12:27 | ** Browse | |
| 12:27 | I guess I have to do that ;p | |
| 12:28 | ** Tags in the Journal | |
| 12:28 | alsroot_ | just to inform - I do the same in Library |
| 12:28 | erikos | alsroot_, the tags part you mean? |
| 12:28 | alsroot_ | erikos: yup |
| 12:29 | erikos | alsroot_, do you have a design for that already? |
| 12:29 | alsroot_ | so, I guess having several views(not only Journal) we can use Library for that reason |
| 12:29 | erikos: I'm planing to releas v1 this week | |
| 12:29 | erikos | alsroot_, wow |
| 12:30 | alsroot_, I guess we should then talk about it in detail | |
| 12:30 | alsroot_, and see what overlaps | |
| 12:30 | alsroot_ | agree, v1 let people choose the right direction |
| 12:31 | erikos | yup - nice |
| 12:31 | is excited | |
| 12:31 | ** More Accelerators (short cuts) | |
| 12:31 | anyone interested in that task? | |
| 12:32 | imho can be a quite nice task | |
| 12:32 | alsroot_ | guesses it should be a policy? |
| 12:32 | erikos | needs a bit discussing with the design team etc |
| 12:32 | alsroot_, for the accelerators you mean? | |
| 12:32 | alsroot_ | erikos: yup |
| 12:32 | erikos | alsroot_, that the activities use the same, yeah |
| 12:33 | right, and in the shell as well | |
| 12:33 | hi gregdek | |
| 12:33 | FGrose | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]s/Keyboard_Action |
| 12:35 | erikos | ok I will add the link - and ask homunq about it |
| 12:36 | ** Search in home view | |
| 12:36 | anyone? | |
| 12:37 | jzGreen_, James - could be a nice task for you, maybe | |
| 12:37 | tomeu | hi, sorry I'm late |
| 12:38 | alsroot_ | btw, Home view could "implemented" in Library as well - tagging/search/launch |
| 12:38 | erikos | hey tomeu - nice you made it anyhow |
| 12:38 | alsroot_, do you rewrite sugar from scratch at the moment? ;p | |
| 12:38 | alsroot_ | erikos: not yeat, I'm waiting for tomeu's vala binding |
| 12:39 | erikos | alsroot_, ok ;) |
| 12:39 | tomeu | heh, my pybank plans got delayed to 0.88, blog a bit ago about it |
| 12:39 | vala can come in 0.88 as well | |
| 12:40 | erikos | shall we keep on going through the list? |
| 12:40 | are there any possible takers besides sayamindu and alsroot? | |
| 12:40 | jzGreen_ | erikos: i dont know what that task is exactly, but I was thinking about classroom presenter for linuxtag |
| 12:40 | alsroot_ | erikos: we can use several views for Home and Journal -- and use Library for that reason |
| 12:41 | erikos | jzGreen_, oh, nice |
| 12:41 | jzGreen_ | but I wont say I'm doing it until I can :p |
| 12:41 | erikos | jzGreen_, sure thing |
| 12:41 | alsroot_ | erikos: so we can unite this section with "several views(pluggins)" |
| 12:41 | ..for Home/Journal | |
| 12:43 | erikos | alsroot_, do you have screenshots of the library? |
| 12:43 | alsroot_ | erikos: you can `git clone` it |
| 12:43 | erikos | alsroot_, I should probably have read the proposal - I can not really anticipate it yet :/ |
| 12:51 | ok, what next? | |
| 12:52 | alsroot_, I guess library and journal will share code | |
| 12:52 | alsroot_, or reuse it | |
| 12:52 | alsroot_ | erikos: in fact Library tends to be a Journal |
| 12:52 | erikos | alsroot_, but we should still have owners for the journal items |
| 12:52 | alsroot_, so they coexist? | |
| 12:53 | alsroot_, the library is a replacement? | |
| 12:53 | alsroot_ | erikos: nope |
| 12:53 | I guess they can coexist | |
| 12:53 | erikos | what is the rationale to not enhance the journal? |
| 12:54 | and make another activity out of it | |
| 12:54 | don't say it is not ok to do that - just try to understand better | |
| 12:54 | alsroot_ | erikos: "unified objects" proposal - unified way to treat all objects in sugar(including remote objects) |
| 12:54 | ..and make it core version independent | |
| 12:55 | erikos | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Unified_Objects |
| 12:55 | alsroot_ | yup |
| 12:57 | erikos | ok |
| 12:57 | alsroot_ | erikos: "Decoupling of Sucrose" is related task for "and make it core version independent" |
| 13:00 | erikos | alsroot_, versioning in the ds? |
| 13:00 | alsroot_ | erikos: yup, but silbe knows better - its his proposal |
| 13:01 | erikos | alsroot_, ok |
| 13:01 | alsroot_, quite a big chunk for 0.86 | |
| 13:01 | alsroot_ | erikos: I mean "Version support for datastore" by silbe |
| 13:01 | erikos | alsroot_, yup |
| 13:06 | ok, I think the 45 minutes are more then over | |
| 13:06 | and maybe going through the list by each point does not give us more owners | |
| 13:07 | I guess - the list is there - pick a task - write the proposal until the proposal dealine | |
| 13:07 | and off you go | |
| 13:07 | sounds good to everyone? | |
| 13:07 | questions - comments? | |
| 13:08 | jzGreen_ | I must confess I didn't know what this meeting was about, nor that the proposal goals had to find owners |
| 13:08 | I would have read more about the requirements of each to see if I could find one that I could effectively contribute to | |
| 13:08 | alsroot_ | btw what about "Decoupling of Sucrose" - it doesnt require coding just declaring a bit new scheme of releasing sugar |
| 13:09 | tomeu | jzGreen_: you have plenty of time to go through the list, think about it, and find some friends to grab some stuff ;) |
| 13:09 | alsroot_ | ..and of course it was my imho, and we can remove it from proposal goals |
| 13:10 | erikos | jzGreen, I will post another request to the mailing list about it |
| 13:10 | jzGreen | erikos: about what? |
| 13:10 | erikos | jzGreen, that people can pick a feature to own |
| 13:10 | jzGreen | goals -> owner mappings? |
| 13:10 | ok cool | |
| 13:10 | erikos | jzGreen, yes |
| 13:11 | jzGreen, and besides those "bigger" tasks listed here | |
| 13:11 | jzGreen, there are plenty of tasks waiting in the bug tracker | |
| 13:11 | FGrose | Owner/Coordinator |
| 13:11 | jzGreen | erikos: ok. Priority towards bugtracker or this list? |
| 13:12 | erikos | FGrose, yes Owner == Coordinator |
| 13:12 | the person that moves the development further | |
| 13:12 | jzGreen, that is up to you | |
| 13:12 | jzGreen, both is more then welcome | |
| 13:12 | jzGreen | erikos: some goals (like some/most bugs perhaps) dont have enough info. Who fleshes out details about goals? |
| 13:13 | erikos | jzGreen, about the goals on the list the coordinator is flashing out the details |
| 13:13 | jzGreen | ah ok |
| 13:14 | erikos | jzGreen, of course if they do not say anything to you at the moment |
| 13:14 | you are free to ask and I will try to answer | |
| 13:14 | the bugs - there are diffeerent ones I would say | |
| 13:15 | a) the defects that only needs a "simple" fix | |
| 13:15 | jzGreen | yes, bugs have trac to take care of reqests etc |
| 13:15 | erikos | b) the one that does need a design |
| 13:15 | c) UI/mockup | |
| 13:15 | right, the discussion happens in the trac ticket | |
| 13:16 | the design part is flashed out there | |
| 13:16 | jzGreen | thanks erikos, will have a read once i get my system back up |
| 13:16 | erikos | jzGreen, ok, cool |
| 13:16 | jzGreen | fedora killed part of my partition table :( |
| 13:16 | erikos | any other comments? |
| 13:16 | jzGreen, oups | |
| 13:17 | jzGreen, from virtualization? | |
| 13:18 | jzGreen | erikos: not sure what you mean by that. But I tried to install fedora 10 from live cd, and then 11beta |
| 13:19 | erikos | jzGreen, on a machine with an already existing system? |
| 13:19 | jzGreen | yes, triple booting with rEFIt |
| 13:20 | leopard/ubuntu/windows7beta | |
| 13:20 | erikos | oh ok |
| 13:20 | jzGreen | rEFIt and leapard still intact, but lost ubuntu and windows |
| 13:21 | erikos | :( |
| 13:21 | jzGreen | I was hoping fedora would replace the existing ubuntu, but instead it changed the partitions then died, somewhat gracefully, but still died |
| 13:22 | was reading up on many different distros today, and each have trouble with trackpad and wifi as far as I can tell, but I had ubuntu working before no troubles | |
| 13:23 | erikos: so to pull this back to topic, I was hoping to used fedora because that is what sugar is based on, but I also saw many other distros are now supporting it | |
| 13:23 | erikos | damn, that is really bad |
| 13:24 | jzGreen, hmmm, heard that ubuntu support is not as good at the moment | |
| 13:24 | jzGreen, but tomeu knows more in that regard | |
| 13:24 | jzGreen | for sugar no, to run on my macbook, yes :P |
| 13:25 | tomeu | still using 8.10 :/ |
| 13:25 | erikos | oh ok ;p |
| 13:25 | ok, let;s close officially the meeting here | |
| 13:26 | jzGreen | oh yeah |
| 13:26 | erikos | #endmeeting |