| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:09 | SeanDaly | did everyone see my proposed agenda in the invitation? |
| 11:10 | we can add Caroline's too | |
| 11:11 | First agenda item is LinuxTag/NECC | |
| 11:11 | I plan to attend LinuxTag and Mike NECC | |
| 11:11 | Caroline didn't you mention another conference in the same end of June timeframe? or was that NECC? | |
| 11:12 | caroline | yes NECC |
| 11:12 | SeanDaly | My idea has been to do a press release for LinuxTag; timing will be perfect for NECC |
| 11:13 | caroline | FOSSED is the same time as LinuxTag so maybe we can mention both in the press release. |
| 11:13 | mikelee_ | ok, back .... |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly | Until a couple of hours ago I thought I was clear on what was going into the press release but as of now it's under discussion... |
| 11:14 | either v1 of SoaS (which I don't think will be ready) | |
| 11:14 | caroline | yeah |
| 11:15 | SeanDaly | or Release Candidate of SoaS, which is really just the original plan |
| 11:15 | caroline | I think we should table this disucssion till we can have it with sebastian |
| 11:15 | mikelee_ | so if no new version of soas, no press release for NECC? |
| 11:15 | caroline | My opinion is what is in the release is the developers business, what we call the release is marketing's business. I notice gmail is still in beta. |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | I quite agree we can work on non-strategic stuff like booth stuff but it's a problem |
| 11:17 | caroline: that's a sensible approach... but that means everyone has to be on the same page (won't work if devs unilaterally call it something else) | |
| 11:17 | jt4sugar | A mention that Soas Beta will be at both events is important |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: Sebastian wants to skip further betas and has announced it will be v1 |
| 11:18 | My POV is that's too soon... and contradicts ou PR | |
| 11:18 | s/ou/our | |
| 11:18 | mikelee_ | we can certainly make up some live cds. the local linux group is good at that. |
| 11:18 | ...cds for the booth that is. | |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | mikelee: yes, the only problem is what to call them :-) |
| 11:19 | caroline | ok lets not get stuck on that today |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | Let's talk about swag & decoration, we need to anyway |
| 11:19 | caroline | Can we get someone to make a nice CD label? |
| 11:19 | mikelee_ | agree to table naming...most of the teachers won't be splitting hairs on naming |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | caroline: I believe Christian had offered to do that? a while back |
| 11:19 | caroline | yeah, its not happened though |
| 11:19 | can you ping him? | |
| 11:20 | SeanDaly | caroline: sure but he has something else right now, the website navbar |
| 11:20 | Branded CDs are a great way to spread the word | |
| 11:21 | mikelee_ | i am good with the adobe suite of tools on a mac. i can assemble the label if given direction |
| 11:21 | SeanDaly | What I'd really like to do is a booth rool-up banner |
| 11:21 | mikelee: I think you've just gotten a job :D | |
| 11:21 | mikelee_ | Booth rollup banners cost around $300 here in DC |
| 11:22 | mtd | SeanDaly: not sure if I'm supposed to be able to talk :), but if I am, what do you hope to gain by calling this Soas release the RC vs. calling it Final? |
| 11:22 | SeanDaly | mikelee: yes, and about the same in Brussels/Paris |
| 11:22 | Hi mtd | |
| 11:22 | mtd | SeanDaly: hi. If we've moved on, I apologise and please ignore. |
| 11:22 | SeanDaly | of course you can talk... and I can listen :D |
| 11:23 | We've issued two press releases and briefed journalists about SoaS being in beta until the fall | |
| 11:23 | We've also communicated that SoaS v1 will be worth waiting for = "robust" | |
| 11:23 | caroline | I'm concerned about negative press. I don't think we should say its school ready till we have actually piloted it in a school. |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | And it's disconnnected (on purpose) from the Sugar and Fedora numbering underneath which will just confuse teachers |
| 11:24 | caroline: I am deeply concerned about negative press | |
| 11:24 | caroline | I want to communicate that we want help testing, not that teachers should use this as an instructional platform at this time. |
| 11:24 | mikelee_ | for me, and likely for teachers who come to a booth at necc, is soas actually testable in a classroom, or is only for a quick look |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | caroline: +1 |
| 11:24 | caroline | mikelee_ its testable, and playable, but not relialble or mission critical ready. |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | mikelee: testable sure... |
| 11:25 | but not reliably ready enough for daily classroom use | |
| 11:25 | mikelee_ | so what teachers will need is a testing guide that's meaningful to them |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | mikelee: +1 |
| 11:26 | We need the following documents in fact: | |
| 11:26 | mtd | SeanDaly, caroline: I agree with the "help testing", and I suppose that's what calling it v1 does from a developer perspective. I see that dfarning and SeanDaly have covered this in a recent thread that David's just posted to the mailing list, and I think the discussion has moved on from where I was, so I'll rescind my question and let you all work it out. |
| 11:26 | SeanDaly | 1) PDF brochure I promised to Caroline weeks ago (lack skills to make nice-looking 2-col page with photos) |
| 11:26 | mtd | Sorry for the bother |
| 11:27 | caroline | mtd, yeah I think V1 means somethign different to developers then we think it will mean to teachers. |
| 11:27 | SeanDaly | mtd: I think it's a communication prob more than anything, no bother |
| 11:27 | reminds me when we got mixed up between "press release" "photo image release" and "software release" | |
| 11:28 | mtd | heh |
| 11:28 | SeanDaly | I said "release" meaning photo release and Simon got upset certainly didn't want to do that |
| 11:28 | ok re documents: 1) PDF brochure, 2) press release | |
| 11:29 | and 3) how to try Sugar on your computer | |
| 11:29 | Not a smoke test, or a protoocol, but a friendly brief users guide | |
| 11:29 | All 3 documents need to be written! | |
| 11:29 | caroline | I want to communicate that this summer is a great time to play with SoaS and do fun things with kids and test teh software helping us get it ready for the world. |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | caroline: +1 |
| 11:30 | mikelee_ | agree completely on the three docs |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | In particular because I would like to do a back-to-school press release too |
| 11:30 | caroline | but I don;t want to imply that it is ready for school wide implementation for busy teahers with huge time pressure untill at least Jan and probably next Sept. |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | prior to SoaS v1 (assuming the existing plan) |
| 11:31 | jt4sugar | For non-tech going from Beta to version 1 would mean to me ready for prime-time in this case not yet |
| 11:31 | SeanDaly | caroline: i agree |
| 11:31 | mikelee_ | doc 1 &2 are distilling the message and positioning it, doc 3 needs some physical work with hardware |
| 11:31 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: oddly, the marketers think the same thing... and surely the devs too... the twain must meet :-) |
| 11:31 | mikelee: +1 | |
| 11:32 | i think the biggest blocker (assuming tech problems are ironed out) is how to set BIOS to boot from key | |
| 11:32 | mikelee_ | that can be a nasty process for non technical folks |
| 11:32 | SeanDaly | caroline: by the way did you see my mail, I identified how to boot Mac reliably from a USB key |
| 11:33 | caroline | Sean, lets talk about it after the meeting. |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | mikelee: true, but most if not all recent netbooks have a hotkey (F10 or F12) to choose boot these days |
| 11:33 | caroline: okay | |
| 11:33 | mikelee_ | true that |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | mikelee: older PCs more iffy especially those which can't boot from USB |
| 11:34 | mikelee_ | and a lot of older machines are out there |
| 11:34 | SeanDaly | i spent two frustrating hours with my old PC in the basement, not realizing it can't boot from USB |
| 11:34 | caroline | I think encouraging people to use the CD boot-helper and then having them discover ways they don't need it. |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | We can deal with this by concentrating the first section of the "try guide" with a flowchart: new PC one branch, old PC another branch, Mac a third branch |
| 11:35 | tomeu | is here now |
| 11:35 | mikelee_ | "If you have this ... then do this ..." |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | caroline: Not a bad idea, especially since bootable CD far more reliable than bootable our USBs :-( |
| 11:36 | mikelee: yes | |
| 11:36 | Hi tomeu | |
| 11:37 | OK the "Try Guide" after BIOS advice, what next should be there? | |
| 11:38 | Tell teachers what they should see (fedora splash, Sugar logo,) | |
| 11:38 | mikelee_ | and suggest a first path thru the UI and activities |
| 11:38 | SeanDaly | The home view then say what F1-F2-F3 do |
| 11:38 | Important I think for little diagram showing Sugar key bindings | |
| 11:39 | When do we bring collaboration into it? most interesting aspect of Activities | |
| 11:39 | involves networking :-( | |
| 11:39 | mikelee_ | isnt the image preconfiged to a jabber server? |
| 11:40 | SeanDaly | mikelee: Ii believe it is but maybe that server was changed? |
| 11:40 | seems to me there was a thread about that | |
| 11:40 | like it was an OLPC server and now its a SL server? | |
| 11:40 | caroline | the jabber server is working |
| 11:40 | mikelee_ | birmingham's jabber box is pretty reliable. we have one in DC too...need to check |
| 11:40 | caroline | yes jabber.sugarlabs.org will be up for the confernces. |
| 11:41 | and is preconfigurued on SoaS right now. | |
| 11:41 | mikelee_ | thats best |
| 11:41 | SeanDaly | OK so what we can do is tell teachers what it is by default and how easy it is to change it |
| 11:41 | First time I booted SoaS I tthought neighborhood view was neighbors on my street | |
| 11:42 | i was both happy and disappointed that they were around the world :-) | |
| 11:43 | mikelee_ | re: collaboration as the killer feature, what i think i would find myself telling a teacher at the conf is to take two cds and try with a buddy if they think they'll have the time later |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | By the way the XO-1 running v0.82 can use a jabber server too can't it? |
| 11:43 | jt4sugar | Bring in collaboration when open first activity-explain can be private or shared |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: good idea - identify an Activity will be fine with or without collab |
| 11:44 | caroline | I'm imaging that you have computers at the pavilion and you have them try it out there. |
| 11:44 | mikelee_ | hoping we have network there! |
| 11:45 | SeanDaly | At LinuxTag unless i can't go for an unforseen reason ii will have 7 XOs, 6 netbooks and a school server |
| 11:45 | caroline | if you don't brign a router and connect them together and they can collaoborate that way. |
| 11:45 | SeanDaly | We can collaborate online live! |
| 11:45 | walterbender | is back... |
| 11:45 | caroline | and also if you are all on the same wireless point, even if it doesn't have internet, you can see each other. |
| 11:45 | SeanDaly | I have the router David brought to SugarCamp |
| 11:46 | caroline | but I bet you have internet at NECC |
| 11:46 | jt4sugar | Using write and having people type at different XO's on a document has always got point across very quickly |
| 11:46 | SeanDaly | caroline: here's something I'm confused about |
| 11:46 | jt4sugar: +1 | |
| 11:46 | caroline: can XOs and SoaS machines see each other with access point? | |
| 11:47 | It's sufficient for all to connect to access point, right? | |
| 11:47 | caroline | not though the Mesh network |
| 11:47 | SeanDaly | when i light up my XOs they make themselves a mesh network |
| 11:47 | caroline | but I think it should work if they are on the same wireless point or wired to the same router. |
| 11:47 | the mesh will not work on nonXOs | |
| 11:47 | SeanDaly | I guess it's as simple as telling each XO to connect to the AP |
| 11:48 | caroline | I think that woudl work but I have not tested |
| 11:48 | SeanDaly | caroline: in fact my understanding is that it will work if the non-XO has 802.11n (draft N) |
| 11:48 | jt4sugar | I had my Dell Inspiron 9200 and an XO collaborating one night off an access point |
| 11:48 | SeanDaly | I ordered the Dell education netbook with that option |
| 11:48 | jt4sugar: i wiill try that tonight | |
| 11:49 | I have a question for Mike | |
| 11:49 | mikelee_ | ? |
| 11:49 | SeanDaly | You don't mind if we use your fabulous photo on the booth roll-up banner? |
| 11:49 | mikelee_ | all my olpc + sugar pix should be CC..yes |
| 11:50 | SeanDaly | Christian V our new marketer couldn't make it today |
| 11:50 | but asked me to task him if anything was urgent | |
| 11:50 | I was thinking he could help design the bboth banner | |
| 11:50 | s/bboth/booth | |
| 11:51 | My idea for it would be: white background | |
| 11:51 | Sugarlabs logo, probably in purple | |
| 11:51 | purple -> matches photo + complementary color to OLPC green | |
| 11:51 | then photo | |
| 11:52 | then text: "Sugar Learning Platform for Children" | |
| 11:52 | mikelee_ | look of the booth banner will set the design language for the rest of the materials--less re-thinking... |
| 11:52 | SeanDaly | i was thinking we coould add soome bullets... but another way to go is to stay very simple |
| 11:53 | I designed FSFE booth banner they use at FOSDEM | |
| 11:53 | big test, few words = easy to understand when walking past | |
| 11:54 | mikelee: we have a strong logo | |
| 11:54 | walterbender | in the spirit of KISS, why not just Sugar Learning Platform? |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | hi sdziallas |
| 11:54 | mikelee_ | yes |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | hi walter |
| 11:54 | jt4sugar | Screenshot of neighborhood showing groups collaborating on activities |
| 11:54 | sdziallas | hi SeanDaly |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: actually Ii was thinking might be better to show 6 Learner icons around an Activity |
| 11:55 | that will recall Home View Ring | |
| 11:56 | Rings are iconic (pun intended), strong visual statement | |
| 11:56 | And, that will communicate collaboration benefit | |
| 11:57 | Maybe better to skip text arguments in booth banner and under "Sugar Learning Platform" just have visuals, Lego-style | |
| 11:57 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: That's what I mean see neighborhood view in gallery http://www.sugarlabs.org/index[…]ery&page=media_04 |
| 11:57 | SeanDaly | blank space lower on roll-up banner could have other neighborhood view stuff maybe |
| 11:58 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I hope that there is no plan for text other than SLP |
| 11:58 | I suppose a tiny URL somewhere | |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | walterbender: yes, we just briefly considered it then consigned it to the dustbin |
| 11:58 | URL can go on the bottom | |
| 11:59 | jt4sugar: yes imagine if we took vertical right third of that screenshot, Sugar labs logo on top, URL on bottom? | |
| 11:59 | but like that, logo will fight "sugar learning platform" | |
| 12:00 | jt4sugar | That would be nice |
| 12:00 | SeanDaly | I've been wanting to brand "Sugar Labs" instead of "Sugar" |
| 12:00 | because "sugar labs" much easier to index | |
| 12:00 | mikelee | agree |
| 12:01 | SeanDaly | but, may be better for booth banner to have title text "sugar learning platform" |
| 12:01 | then neighborhood view slice | |
| 12:01 | then logo with ".org" at bottom | |
| 12:02 | walterbender | maybe we should just generate a dozen mockups of different ideas and reconvene on this topic? It may jump out at us |
| 12:03 | SeanDaly | walterbender: sure but time is short already need to decide this week otherwise rush job, extra $$$/EUREUREUR |
| 12:03 | I have a clear idea, wiill do a mockup tonight | |
| 12:03 | might be a pasted-paper scan though :-) | |
| 12:03 | walterbender | OK. maybe anyone else with an opinion can do likewise |
| 12:04 | and let the marketing team decide | |
| 12:04 | jt4sugar | Screenshots of Neighborhood-then Journal-Then TA Portfolio-Then Memorize would get across alot-Combination of abilities is what will help Teachers |
| 12:04 | walterbender | SeanDaly: is there any fixed aspect ratio we need to adhere to? |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: not sure screenshots good idea |
| 12:05 | a classic booth roll-up banner is very vertical | |
| 12:05 | hold on a sec I'll find that photo to show you | |
| 12:05 | walterbender | SeanDaly: Oh. I was thinking horizontal... OK. I'll try to make some mockups as well |
| 12:05 | mikelee | we also need a date to draw a line in the sand on the sugar image to use because of manufacturing time of CDs and need to finalize the steps in teacher mini-guide |
| 12:05 | jt4sugar | Break the mold and go horizontal |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | http://blogs.fsfe.org/michael_kallas/?p=14 |
| 12:06 | pay no attention to the man behind the banner | |
| 12:06 | jt4sugar: horiz is fine... if you have something to hang it on | |
| 12:07 | walterbender | looks about 1:2.5 |
| 12:07 | SeanDaly | booth folk like roll-up banners because 1-minute setup, easy to transport, self-supporting, does not hide booth |
| 12:07 | walterbender: I have the original file used for that banner can forward | |
| 12:08 | a banner like this is like a window shade, you unhook it and it rolls down into the base | |
| 12:08 | mikelee | the rollups are very slick |
| 12:08 | SeanDaly | My idea is to make a design and have the same design done in Brussels and DC |
| 12:09 | "consistent branding" and alll that | |
| 12:09 | caroline | and Maine! |
| 12:09 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: do you think you could do a mockup quickly? |
| 12:10 | caroline: ? Maine? | |
| 12:10 | caroline | FOSSED |
| 12:10 | where Walter is giving the keynote remember? | |
| 12:10 | SeanDaly | caroline: oh of course! it would really be cool if we coould collaborate between ourselves... film that.. and upload to dailymotion |
| 12:10 | walterbender | I am also keynoting GUADEC over July 4 weekend. |
| 12:11 | could be a good time to announce something too... | |
| 12:11 | jt4sugar | I'll see what I can put together one vertical-one horizontal |
| 12:11 | SeanDaly | walterbender: the plan is for next press release to be simultaneous LinuxTag/NECC/FOSSED |
| 12:11 | I think they all have June 27th or 28th in common? | |
| 12:12 | caroline | I think no actual overlap between FOSSED and NECC |
| 12:12 | walterbender | mikelee: just saw your moostickers :) |
| 12:12 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: some people put horiz image... on vertical roll-up banner... and suspend banner horiz if base and top can be supported |
| 12:13 | mikelee | i have a book of them ready to ship to your home address |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly | moostickers? |
| 12:13 | mikelee | http://www.flickr.com/photos/c[…]uslee/3563977119/ |
| 12:13 | SeanDaly | FOSSED June 24th-26th |
| 12:14 | mikelee: way cool! | |
| 12:14 | mikelee: swag candidates for t-shirts? | |
| 12:15 | by the way did anyone have a chance to look at the 5 swag suppliers? | |
| 12:16 | mikelee | not yet, but I know a couple of them |
| 12:18 | SeanDaly | I want to look at Spreadshirt since good European shipping coverage |
| 12:18 | as far as I know no exclusivity, we coul dgo with any of them for US stuff | |
| 12:18 | jt4sugar | Quite a few friends use cafepress and are very pleased with ease of use and quality |
| 12:19 | SeanDaly | Why don't we save time and just start out with cafepress for North America and Spreadshirt for Europe |
| 12:19 | jt4sugar | +1 |
| 12:20 | mikelee | +! |
| 12:20 | SeanDaly | Aside from logos what urgent to upload for swag? Home View ring? Neighborhood view? |
| 12:20 | As a branding thing I'd like to avoid a free-for-all of uploaded images, but | |
| 12:21 | can be very interesting to offer lots of images and "let the people decide" which are funnest / coolest | |
| 12:21 | OK I want to talk about dailymotion | |
| 12:22 | I've thought about a press release announcing its opening and what's on it | |
| 12:22 | walterbender | SeanDaly: what about it? |
| 12:22 | SeanDaly | but that would work only if we had much more stuff on it |
| 12:22 | and, I regret missing our 1st birthday | |
| 12:23 | walterbender | SeanDaly: have you met Sebastien Adgnot |
| 12:23 | SeanDaly | walterbender: nope is he dailymotion contact? |
| 12:23 | walterbender | he is mr dailymotion, AFAIK |
| 12:23 | SeanDaly | will get in touch through Lionel or Bastien |
| 12:24 | walterbender | I'll eintroduce you directly |
| 12:24 | SeanDaly | thanks |
| 12:24 | re our first birthday: i think we should have lots of balloons at our booths | |
| 12:25 | Branded or not, but balloons=fun and we get to celebrate our birthday for 2 months if we want :D | |
| 12:26 | walterbender | SeanDaly: maybe that will be the GAUDEC spin |
| 12:27 | SeanDaly | walterbender? GNOME conf? |
| 12:27 | walterbender | yes |
| 12:27 | SeanDaly | is right after LinuxTag and NECC |
| 12:27 | walterbender | yes |
| 12:27 | SeanDaly | are you gong? |
| 12:28 | walterbender | keynote |
| 12:28 | SeanDaly | s/gong/going |
| 12:28 | walterbender: I can't keep up with you :-) | |
| 12:29 | on another subject, iis anyone against an official Flickr account? | |
| 12:29 | easy way to make photos & screenshots available to press & bloggers, beyond our website intro & wiki | |
| 12:30 | i guess no one is shocked | |
| 12:30 | mikelee | if you havent seen it, look at the media page for Scratch Day http://day.scratch.mit.edu/media |
| 12:31 | SeanDaly | OK we've run over our usual time is there anything else we need to discuss? |
| 12:32 | going once... | |
| 12:32 | mikelee | im going to go offline now. i will get the word out about CD duplication locally |
| 12:33 | SeanDaly | mikelee: ok |
| 12:33 | going twice... | |
| 12:34 | gone! | |
| 12:34 | #endmeeting |