| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 10:02 | SeanDaly | First off I apologize for falling behind with meeting minutes & agenda |
| 10:02 | I've been extremely occupied (but.. getting things done too :-) | |
| 10:03 | I want to discuss first SoaS beta launch at FOSSVT, ok? | |
| 10:03 | sdziallas | is here, too |
| 10:03 | SeanDaly: +1, I guess that's our most important point now | |
| 10:04 | caroline | I'm ready :) |
| 10:04 | SeanDaly | I originally planned to do eReleases/PR Newswire |
| 10:04 | Right now I am concerned if image is stable enough... | |
| 10:05 | caroline how do you feel? | |
| 10:05 | caroline | whats the downside if we do a press release |
| 10:05 | Based on my experience at the Y and random guessing i think 50% of the people will be able to get Sugar on their PCs at the conference. | |
| 10:05 | SeanDaly | I'm concerned about negative press - a journalist who downloads an image & can't get it to work |
| 10:05 | caroline | maybe 75% of PCs but many people will have macs. |
| 10:06 | lots of people are not getting it to work yet | |
| 10:06 | sdziallas | as I pointed out, it needs to be marked as a beta release. which is how I'd describe its current state. |
| 10:06 | caroline | I feel like 25% of people get it to work when they download it. |
| 10:06 | SeanDaly | VirtualBox instructions worked like a charm on my Mac |
| 10:06 | caroline | They aren't working for the latest version for Dave |
| 10:06 | I haven't tried it yet. | |
| 10:06 | Sean, which version? | |
| 10:06 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: Could we call it "beta-1" ? |
| 10:06 | caroline | which snapshots? |
| 10:07 | sdziallas | it clearly depends on which hardware you're running it. and as we're using F11 beta as a base system, it should be as good as Fedora's beta release. |
| 10:07 | SeanDaly | caroline: I have to check at home but an old SoaS-2 I think |
| 10:07 | caroline | our next pressable event will be April 17th Healthy Kids Day at the Y. |
| 10:07 | The current SoaS2 is not working on the mac | |
| 10:07 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: well, we could, but... hm! |
| 10:07 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: downside? |
| 10:07 | tomeu | SeanDaly: if the problem is with getting the image copied to the media, perhaps we should team up with ondisk for now? |
| 10:08 | SeanDaly | tomeu: I really like the idea |
| 10:08 | tomeu | and advertise the do-it-yourself instructions as for adventurious? |
| 10:08 | caroline | I think thats definitley worth a try. |
| 10:08 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: the next big release would be LinuxTag, I think; so I'd be targeting that for a Release Candidate. |
| 10:08 | SeanDaly | tomeu:+1 |
| 10:08 | caroline | SolutionGrove will also be creating a similar service, hopefully wiht Resigartion, collaboration and File backup bundled in at a higher price point. |
| 10:08 | but not till we can get said services to actually work! | |
| 10:09 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: we will have another opportunity: an event in May and (if it's in Paris) we can probably get a lot of press |
| 10:09 | caroline | Sean, can we do a press release that gets us attention without the expectation that they can download and try it yet? |
| 10:09 | tomeu | caroline: yeah, I think that's quite different from just selling preloaded media |
| 10:09 | different products | |
| 10:09 | SeanDaly | caroline: sure, but then... what's the news? :-) |
| 10:09 | caroline | toneu, yes, very different |
| 10:09 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: that's right, so you mean we could have a second beta there? |
| 10:09 | caroline | How about Healthy Kids Day at the Y? |
| 10:09 | is that too small? | |
| 10:10 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: yes, that's what I was thinking... build up to the RC |
| 10:10 | walterbender | chiming in late |
| 10:10 | SeanDaly | caroline: not necessarily... I recorded Richard Stallman at ULB in Brussels in front of a crowd of 15 people, but thousands listened to the audio and read the transcript |
| 10:11 | walterbender | I am wondering if I should send this version to Walt Mossberg? |
| 10:11 | sdziallas | hrms! |
| 10:11 | walterbender | he asked for the beta and will write about it... |
| 10:11 | SeanDaly | I feel... if it's still unstable... our comm needs to be: "not ready yet, help us make it better" |
| 10:11 | walterbender | we could explain to him that we cannot cover every machine... |
| 10:12 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: agreed. obviously, because it's a beta. |
| 10:12 | walterbender | so the question is, in my mind, not so much which machines work, but when they work, how well do they work? |
| 10:12 | SeanDaly | walterbender: we should by all means brief him on where we are... he might decide himself to wait |
| 10:12 | sdziallas | walterbender: well, let me put it this way: |
| 10:12 | caroline | I agree this is a when, we are making great progress |
| 10:13 | SeanDaly | walterbender: it would be great if we could get him a branded stick that would boot |
| 10:13 | caroline | Maybe we should use FOSSVT as an experiement, see how many people have positive experiences. |
| 10:13 | walterbender | two branded sticks so he can collaborate!! |
| 10:13 | caroline | then we can decide whether to promot it. |
| 10:13 | SeanDaly | walterbender: +1! with 2 colors logos |
| 10:13 | sdziallas | in my opinion, we should use FOSSVT to get the attention, but also the testers we need. |
| 10:14 | walterbender | sdziallas: +1 |
| 10:14 | SeanDaly | caroline: Actually, my "dream & ambition" is to use a FOSSVT launch to make feedback VERY easy |
| 10:14 | tomeu | if we could get someone from fedora to contribute some time to guide people like caroline in filing bug reports about hardware not booting, that may make the range of hardware soas works on much bigger when F11 is out |
| 10:14 | walterbender | my onl real worry re Mossberg is that he'll try on a Mac. |
| 10:14 | caroline | so the question on the table is "Do we write the Release Press Statement for FOSSVT or do we wait" Is that correct? |
| 10:14 | sdziallas | and for that, we need a fitting press release. clearly stating that it's beta. but I believe we shouldn't hide anything, because soas-2 looks pretty well imo. If you try to run it on a C64, it won't work, but I hope not to see a bug report on that. |
| 10:14 | walterbender | wait |
| 10:14 | SeanDaly | I myself need guidance on how to file a bug report :-( |
| 10:15 | I very much want to but I'm not even sure how to go about it? | |
| 10:15 | tomeu | walterbender: can you get to know which exact model he has? ;) |
| 10:15 | SeanDaly: we basically need to set some time aside to go with someone without that experience and write some docs | |
| 10:16 | SeanDaly | walterbender: If my netbooks weren't azerty keyboard I would just loan him one with a stick |
| 10:16 | walterbender | tomeu: I can ask him. Also, I am sure he can get ahold of some machines it will work on |
| 10:16 | tomeu | setting time aside is the part I personally have problems with ;) |
| 10:16 | SeanDaly | tomeu: I know that problem :-) |
| 10:16 | Here's an idea: Survey Monkey | |
| 10:16 | caroline | Google Forms |
| 10:16 | walterbender | maybe the plan is that if Friday is not a complete disaster--no reason to expect it will be--I'll send Mossberg some sticks on Monday... |
| 10:17 | caroline | can we back up? what are we trying to decie right now? |
| 10:17 | SeanDaly | A link, some questions.. |
| 10:17 | caroline | or are we brainstorming? |
| 10:17 | walterbender | we also have survey.sl.o |
| 10:17 | SeanDaly | caroline: yes I'm wondering how big a splash we should aim for Friday |
| 10:17 | jt4sugar | Will there be some type of testing guide and reporting mechanism for SoaS recipients-How to use-What their using it on |
| 10:17 | walterbender | Pablo and I are finally going to get the Uruguay survey out the door |
| 10:18 | sdziallas | there are even instructions in the wiki, regarding testing |
| 10:18 | SeanDaly | walterbender: that page not opening PHP err |
| 10:18 | sdziallas: you mean the Smoke Test? | |
| 10:18 | sdziallas | I already went through the soas pages, to get them in a better shape, and was planning to write up release notes, which mention exactly what can be done. |
| 10:18 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I check. |
| 10:18 | caroline | Ok so the question is do we splash on Friday or do we see how friday goes, fix problems then try again to splash on next Sat? |
| 10:18 | SeanDaly | caroline: precisely |
| 10:19 | walterbender | I think we do a shakedown on Friday |
| 10:19 | and a splash the following week... | |
| 10:19 | caroline | I think so too |
| 10:19 | we are close | |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly | I feel iffy about Friday |
| 10:19 | walterbender | with Mossberg in between |
| 10:19 | caroline | but its not clear to me we are there yet |
| 10:19 | and next Saturday, if we make it work, will be smaller, but cuter | |
| 10:19 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: for example here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick |
| 10:19 | SeanDaly | I think might be better to announce at FOSSVT, distribute sticks, but do Mossberg then launch after |
| 10:20 | walterbender | SeanDaly: what do you mean by announce? a PR? |
| 10:20 | caroline | There is a much higher initial success rate if you use a Boot Helper CD, but right now our boothelper CD is very ugly in a number of ways. |
| 10:20 | erikos-060f | is not so sure a PR about an alpha release is needed |
| 10:20 | caroline | instant success goes way up with the boot helper CD |
| 10:21 | SeanDaly | walterbender: yes I would like to do PR for "beta 1" in April, "beta 2" in May, "Release Candidate" in June |
| 10:21 | walterbender | erikos-060f: alpha yes,, but beta? |
| 10:21 | caroline | PR is our gas, its what will get us the resourcees to go forward |
| 10:22 | BenLauDC | Hello |
| 10:22 | caroline | Hi Ben |
| 10:22 | SeanDaly | Greetings BenLauDC |
| 10:22 | I of course don't want PR to get ahead of where we are | |
| 10:22 | BenLauDC | Hi caroline & ScanDaly |
| 10:22 | SeanDaly | But, PR can help us recruit testers |
| 10:22 | caroline | What I'm not as clear as I need to be, is what events make good PR. how do we make it most effective |
| 10:23 | PR recruits testers, developers, grantors, computer donations and interested teachers and schools. | |
| 10:23 | SeanDaly | caroline: the trick is to get a journalist to write about it. Which can happen if there are 50 people, or 500, or 5000 |
| 10:23 | caroline | What makes a journalist interested? |
| 10:23 | sdziallas | From my point of view, I'd describe soas-2 as beta, right now. But seems like others don't feel that way. What I was thinking about was something like "beta release... announced at FOSSVT... please help testing... be aware, still beta..." in the press release... |
| 10:23 | erikos-060f | walterbender: beta is ok I guess - so this would be at linuxtag |
| 10:24 | walterbender: according to the Soas schedule | |
| 10:24 | SeanDaly | caroline: if its unreported elsewhere (scoop), if it will change the status quo (OS used in education), ... |
| 10:24 | caroline | erikos, i think we should release with kids and educators not at Linux conferences. Linux people will be interested iether way. |
| 10:24 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: naturally, but we especially need to avoid a journalist having a bad experience |
| 10:25 | caroline: LinuxTag is an excellent forum for reaching distributors and OEMs.... | |
| 10:25 | walterbender | erikos-060f: I am looking at a different Roadmap than you, I guess -- http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]n_a_Stick/Roadmap |
| 10:25 | caroline | yeah we want to iminimzie widely read. I tried it and it didn't work. especially since that ends up staying up on the interent for years. |
| 10:25 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: right, but journalists normally don't use Pentium 3 500 MHz machines, do they? I mean on your IBM ThinkPardor whatever has quite a chance to get SoaS run. |
| 10:25 | SeanDaly | caroline: ideally we should work on both sides |
| 10:25 | erikos-060f | caroline: ok - we just picked some dates |
| 10:25 | caroline | Sean yes |
| 10:26 | erikos-060f | caroline: so we can work towards a goal |
| 10:26 | walterbender | I think that if it installs, the experience is pretty great right now... |
| 10:26 | caroline | Walter, yes very much so |
| 10:26 | SeanDaly | walterbender: yes, I agree |
| 10:26 | caroline | I think we will learn a ton on Friday |
| 10:26 | with a forgiving audiance | |
| 10:26 | walterbender | so I think we can risk going to Mossberg next week... with some hand-holding |
| 10:26 | caroline | lets also get it up on on-disk asap |
| 10:27 | erikos-060f | walterbender: I guess I was only discussing with sdziallas so far |
| 10:27 | SeanDaly | This is sounding good... we can ask FOSSVT attendees to help as an exclusive, "prior to beta launch" |
| 10:27 | walterbender | erikos-060f: the sucrose 0.84 release is in pretty great shape... |
| 10:28 | erikos-060f: so it is mostly a matter of the Fedora USB side of things | |
| 10:28 | sdziallas | repeats himself in pointing out that he believes that soas-2 looks rather well for him |
| 10:28 | SeanDaly | I like the on-line solution because scalable |
| 10:28 | caroline | I agree, it seem like its mostly fedora bugs that keep things from launching and working. |
| 10:29 | erikos-060f | walterbender: good - but can be improved |
| 10:29 | caroline | How long after Friday could we publish a press release about FOSSVT? |
| 10:29 | erikos-060f | walterbender: the soas experience |
| 10:29 | SeanDaly | caroline I have a question, is there any way you can arrange for a studio photo shoot of the three variants of stick? |
| 10:29 | caroline | The normal user SoaS experienced would be improved by a better boot helper experience |
| 10:29 | SeanDaly | i would like to do PR with a photo |
| 10:30 | caroline | Will send to Lee, |
| 10:30 | SeanDaly | Or if you could send me one of each I could get it done here |
| 10:30 | caroline | I sent but didn't put enough postage on :( |
| 10:30 | sure email your address | |
| 10:30 | SeanDaly | caroline: ok |
| 10:31 | I had another concern... the logo seems a little discombobulated, the sugar not lined up with labs, do the sticks look OK to you? | |
| 10:31 | caroline | So maybe our explicit focus for Friday is asking educators what they need to make it work. |
| 10:31 | the letter size seems a bit off to me. | |
| 10:31 | SeanDaly | caroline: excellent idea |
| 10:31 | caroline | and we can write about that angle |
| 10:32 | SeanDaly | caroline: good idea |
| 10:32 | caroline | we can write about process how we are collaborating with educators and trying things with kids and you can checkout our work in progress |
| 10:32 | rather then RELEASE focused | |
| 10:32 | SeanDaly | i'd really like to organize teacher feedback which is not bug reporting |
| 10:32 | caroline | process and relationships focused. |
| 10:32 | jt4sugar | In PR are we announcing Beta release and announcing we're looking for Educators to test and join the community |
| 10:33 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: yes but part of that is to make educator reporting as simple as possible |
| 10:33 | caroline | jt4 yes, but a bit of a slight turn, we are going out to educators and finding out what they want. |
| 10:33 | combine it with the urgoy story. | |
| 10:33 | everyone invites people in. we are going out to them and getting feedback and collecting needs. | |
| 10:34 | SeanDaly | For instance, a survey page could be total experience oriented: do they have high expectations of ICT-assisted education? What technical concerns do they have? |
| 10:35 | caroline | Walterbender, do you have a translated copy of the Uragoy survey? |
| 10:35 | jt4sugar | Set up emails by grade to take in suggestions-lesson plan ideas-areas of concern-What they want |
| 10:35 | caroline | actually passing out an instrument at FOSSVT is an interesting idea. |
| 10:35 | SeanDaly | By the way, we don't actually *need* a realworld event to release a beta, it's just a useful way to communicate our connections to teachers & kids |
| 10:35 | caroline | though it maybe too late. |
| 10:36 | sdziallas_ | sorry, I keep on getting disconnected. |
| 10:36 | caroline | Sean, right, whenever possible we want kdis and teachers in our press releases |
| 10:37 | walterbender | Caroline: I can make a translation tonight, after I figure out why the server is broken |
| 10:37 | sdziallas_ | I guess FOSSVT is really chances we should use |
| 10:37 | caroline | ok do we have another agenda item? |
| 10:38 | SeanDaly | Yes we have a nav problem across site sections |
| 10:38 | erikos is rightly pointing out the downside of 2nd window opening | |
| 10:38 | I have proposed a couple variants of harmonized navbar | |
| 10:39 | But, each time I make a suggestion the silence is deafening :-( | |
| 10:39 | Maybe it's a lot of work for every section to add a common navbar | |
| 10:39 | caroline | that must mean everyone agrees! |
| 10:39 | tomeu | the alternative is adding tab support to browse, and we got into feature freeze ages ago ;) |
| 10:40 | SeanDaly | Well, I'm good at suggesting solutions but not good at coding that onto the pages :-( :-( |
| 10:40 | sdziallas_ | goes grabbing a new coffee |
| 10:40 | jt4sugar | Tab support seems like a good idea |
| 10:40 | walterbender | tab support is 0.86 |
| 10:40 | jt4sugar | ok |
| 10:40 | SeanDaly | Tab support is of course a good idea but doesn't resolve the nav problem |
| 10:41 | walterbender | in the short term, our only option is no target pages |
| 10:41 | SeanDaly | i would like any visitor landing on any sugarlabs.org page to be able to find at least the homepage and ideally all the other sections |
| 10:42 | Question, does anyone know if common code could be used on the wiki section, bugs section, etc.? | |
| 10:42 | walterbender | SeanDaly: don't understand the question |
| 10:42 | KarlieRobinson | may I chime in on website nav? |
| 10:43 | walterbender | please chime away!! |
| 10:43 | KarlieRobinson | when I counsel at SCORE, I often advise my clients to use a "Grocery Store" model for site design |
| 10:43 | SeanDaly | ok... I was suggesting a two-tier navbar with 7 menu items across the screen in top tier |
| 10:43 | KarlieRobinson | WHen you enter the grocery store, there's always a seasonal display, beer and chips for sporting events, candy for easter etc |
| 10:44 | but from there you can easily move to any department from that single starting point or do the "saturday morning" tour around the whole place, not missing a single isle | |
| 10:44 | SeanDaly | But, I have no idea if it's possible to code a menu which will work on every section |
| 10:44 | KarlieRobinson | The idea with the SL.org home page is to be that welcome display and give nav out to the other important areas |
| 10:44 | SeanDaly | KarlieRobinson: our problem is more like a shopping center with 8 different stores... each with its own look & feel |
| 10:45 | KarlieRobinson | that home page should have some dynamics |
| 10:45 | Not a problem, the mall uses the same layout | |
| 10:45 | So on the main content area of the site you have your changable welcome message that points to great work being done in the various areas | |
| 10:46 | on the side, you have a menu of sorts with the areas and what they're about | |
| 10:46 | you then repeat that with the sub sections | |
| 10:46 | layering the info as you g | |
| 10:46 | go | |
| 10:46 | it's also important that on the top layers where people visit first language is very plain spoken and gets more technical the further in you go | |
| 10:47 | jt4sugar | With the amount of space available at top of pages two-tier navbar would be helpful and not overbearing |
| 10:47 | walterbender | needs to hop on his bike to get into Cambridge... |
| 10:47 | SeanDaly | I'd love to do that if there was "a site"... but we have cobbled together a number of diffferent "sites" and the immediate problem is to provide nav to the homepage and between these sections |
| 10:47 | sdziallas_ | wishes walterbender a nice trip and wants to catch him later ;) |
| 10:48 | walterbender | sdziallas: I hope to be back online in ~60 minutes |
| 10:48 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: yes my sentiment exactly |
| 10:48 | KarlieRobinson | check http://publicsoftwarefoundation.org to get what I mean about nav through various areas |
| 10:48 | sdziallas_ | walterbender: okey dokey :) |
| 10:48 | SeanDaly | walterbender: cycle safe! |
| 10:49 | KarlieRobinson | I've tabbed the top of the page, but only simply |
| 10:49 | not to overwhelm the visitor | |
| 10:49 | when they click the tab they get more info about the various dealings | |
| 10:50 | jt4sugar | Seems to be open real estate at Top Right Center of each page |
| 10:50 | SeanDaly | KarlieRobinson: compare http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ to http://www.sugarlabs.org/ |
| 10:51 | KarlieRobinson | first off, light on dark is so hard on the eyes |
| 10:51 | SeanDaly | compare http://people.sugarlabs.org/ to http://activities.sugarlabs.org |
| 10:51 | KarlieRobinson | second, it's not a matter of space it's about using the space you do have |
| 10:51 | Activities has a much better layout | |
| 10:52 | SeanDaly | My point is, it's not our priority right now to redesign our 8 site sections... but it is a priority to at least enable users to navigate between them |
| 10:52 | KarlieRobinson | and I don't see why you couldn't tab each of those areas off your main welcome or do a side bar "menu" with a short description of what the user will find in each area? |
| 10:52 | No, don't do it all at once, but you do need a master plan | |
| 10:53 | Branding is a fancy word for a promise to deliver | |
| 10:53 | when you co-brand your sites all together overtime it helps create brand confidene | |
| 10:53 | SeanDaly | KarlieRobinson: yes, that's a suggestion-box candidate along with my two-tier navbar suggestion |
| 10:53 | KarlieRobinson | I don't get the two tier |
| 10:53 | why not just put yourself out there | |
| 10:53 | easy peasy | |
| 10:53 | jt4sugar | Adding extra navigation two-tier until some redesign later seems like a good accommodation |
| 10:54 | KarlieRobinson | the index at SL.org could go a long way to helping people get to the right places fast and easy |
| 10:54 | SeanDaly | KarlieRobinson: we are short on hands so we triage |
| 10:54 | Right now we are prioritizing Sugar on a Stick | |
| 10:54 | KarlieRobinson | excellent, then simply triage the face of SL.org |
| 10:54 | it's one page | |
| 10:54 | SeanDaly | the static intro at www.sugarlabs.org has been up for only a month |
| 10:55 | activities.sugarlabs.org too | |
| 10:55 | KarlieRobinson | but you also have to include the idea that anyone who comes to your site based on any pr you do will need a good jumping off point |
| 10:55 | SeanDaly | we've so far succeeded in referencing the homepage, which was quite difficult because the previos homepage & referenced as such was the wiki |
| 10:55 | KarlieRobinson | if everything you put out says visit sl.org that needs to be a sweet and smiling face of the org as a whole regarless of what the other sections look and feel like |
| 10:56 | the wiki and all the rest can remain the same | |
| 10:56 | SeanDaly | As I say we've solved the problem of the hompage, but without nav unsophisticated users arrive deep in the site but can't climb back out |
| 10:56 | And, the Sugar Browse activity doesn't handle tabs yet | |
| 10:57 | KarlieRobinson | just be sure that anyone hitting the index at sl.org is welcomed and moved into the other areas quickly |
| 10:57 | SeanDaly | Visitors can find the wiki, activities, download, technical sections; they just can't get back to the hompage |
| 10:57 | KarlieRobinson | don't worry so much abut visitors not being able to get back out or move between the areas yet |
| 10:57 | if they can get back to SL.org they can start a new path | |
| 10:58 | SeanDaly | KarlieRobinson: right now they can't that's the problem that needs to be solved |
| 10:58 | I need to mention one more point: the press page will be changed soon | |
| 10:58 | KarlieRobinson | Just focus your attention on the face if you plan to do PR |
| 10:58 | focus on interoperability as a secondary | |
| 10:58 | SeanDaly | Christian has worked on a couple of variants to scale multi-languages |
| 10:59 | And I have two additional translations to put into the PDF | |
| 10:59 | Still missing Italian though :-( | |
| 10:59 | KarlieRobinson | Musts for the home page - links and info to each subdomain people. activities. etc |
| 10:59 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: In the two-tiers how many links are we talking? |
| 10:59 | KarlieRobinson | A focus on your learners, parents teachers etc |
| 10:59 | SeanDaly | KarlieRobinson: did you see my thread with the list of 26 sections? |
| 11:00 | KarlieRobinson | the what's in it for me stuff |
| 11:00 | nope | |
| 11:00 | not that I recall anyway | |
| 11:00 | I might not even be on said list | |
| 11:00 | SeanDaly | are you on the marketing list? It's in the archive I can dig out alink for you |
| 11:00 | KarlieRobinson | for Fedora, yes |
| 11:01 | but any pub archive link would be a bonus | |
| 11:01 | SeanDaly | [Marketing] Do not open a new window for menu link on sugarlabs.org |
| 11:01 | was the thread title | |
| 11:02 | here's my 2nd suggestion two tiers: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]April/000742.html | |
| 11:02 | KarlieRobinson | would you like me to sketch something up? |
| 11:02 | SeanDaly | My problem is not imagining solutions, it's figuring out who is going to code nav for 8 sites |
| 11:03 | KarlieRobinson | don't worry about 8 right now |
| 11:03 | work on what belongs in the main section | |
| 11:03 | then the rest can follow suit | |
| 11:03 | and coding nav - what about Drupal or Joomla or another CMS | |
| 11:03 | begin with the finishing touches if you can | |
| 11:04 | SeanDaly | We need to satisfy multiple user profiles: teachers/parents, funders, journalists, developers, contributors |
| 11:04 | KarlieRobinson | that's not a problem with a CMS for the main section |
| 11:04 | in a sense you have 8 or 9 websites stacked together | |
| 11:04 | SeanDaly | We're very far from a site redesign & common platform it's not our priority right now |
| 11:04 | KarlieRobinson | then I don't see the reason to worry about nav for 8 sites |
| 11:05 | and who said anything has to be common? | |
| 11:05 | all you need to do is get people to where they want to be | |
| 11:05 | even with nested sites | |
| 11:05 | SeanDaly | I'm not sure we're getting anywhere but I am most concerned about unsophisticated users - teachers |
| 11:05 | KarlieRobinson | me t |
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| 11:06 | SeanDaly | the main problem, referencing, was solved after our March 16ths media launch |
| 11:06 | KarlieRobinson | if you slapped up a drupal or joomla etc you can create teacher zones that then guides them out to the other sections but not until you've had a chance to explain things |
| 11:06 | SeanDaly | now, all we need is for the sites to be strung together, integrating them closely can coome later |
| 11:07 | KarlieRobinson | in the grand scheme of things I'm probably over stepping my bounds |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | If you're volunteering you're more than welcome :-) heaven knows we coould use the help |
| 11:07 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: How do we get to the decision on Two-tier nav bar- |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: I have the feeling nobody wants to deal wiith it because each subsite person will need to code it |
| 11:08 | So I guess next step is to figure out who is in charge of each subsection | |
| 11:08 | Ideally, we can have a code snippet which can be inserted and voilà | |
| 11:08 | Christian also said he would reply to my last mail | |
| 11:09 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: Its important in short term so a request on all lists may be appropriate |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: I agree, erikos has been pointing out for some time that it is problematic that the site sections can't be viewed correctly in Browse |
| 11:10 | i will send to all lists and... concisely | |
| 11:10 | I have to go now are there any other topics we need to look at? | |
| 11:12 | ok going once... | |
| 11:12 | going twice.... | |
| 11:12 | erikos | SeanDaly: thanks for listening to my advice ;p |
| 11:12 | KarlieRobinson | thanks for letting me rant, more to come via private email |
| 11:12 | SeanDaly | thanks everybody (& erikos :-) :-) |
| 11:13 | tomeu | btw, shouldn't we have another meeting right now? |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly | karlieRobinson: ok be sure to read through that thread thanks |
| 11:13 | #endmeeting |