| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:00 | dfarning | good morning FGrose |
| 13:01 | FGrose | dfarning: Well, it's afternoon for me right now, so good day! |
| 13:01 | dfarning | so it is. |
| 13:02 | FGrose | Any one here for Wiki Team? |
| 13:02 | erikos | FGrose: hi - I have a quick wiki team comment if allowed |
| 13:02 | tomeu | hi! |
| 13:02 | dfarning | I just pinged #sugar with a reminder |
| 13:03 | erikos | s/comment/question |
| 13:03 | FGrose | #TOPIC Roll Call for until 05 after the hour. |
| 13:04 | erikos: go for it | |
| 13:04 | dfarning | erikos; FGrose runs a tight ship:) |
| 13:04 | walterbender | hi everyone |
| 13:04 | dfarning | walterbender; welcome back |
| 13:04 | erikos | FGrose: so in our renames to '_' instead of camel case |
| 13:04 | tomeu | hi walterbender |
| 13:04 | erikos | FGrose: we broke links like that to the release notes |
| 13:05 | FGrose: which have been published already | |
| 13:05 | FGrose: i made a redirect for that one - if nobody mind that | |
| 13:05 | http://sugarlabs.org/go/Develo[…]ases/Sucrose/0.84 | |
| 13:05 | that was the one | |
| 13:06 | just wanted to note that for certain pages we need redirects - that's all | |
| 13:06 | FGrose | erikos: '_' is required for browser URIs. ' ' space will work on wiki paths |
| 13:06 | dfarning | erikos; sound good. I reverted a few and am contacting people to update their links |
| 13:07 | erikos | dfarning: seen - that you reverted that ;p |
| 13:07 | FGrose: ok - that is good | |
| 13:07 | background again | |
| 13:07 | dfarning | cms, updated www.sugarlbs.org last night! |
| 13:08 | if and when you notice breakages let us know so we can get them fixed | |
| 13:09 | FGrose | dfarning: Is cjl around lately? |
| 13:09 | cjl | not so much |
| 13:09 | dfarning | FGrose; I have not talked to him since early last week said he would be going out of town for a few days |
| 13:09 | cjl | here now though |
| 13:09 | dfarning | cjl, welcome back:) |
| 13:10 | cjl | :-) |
| 13:10 | FGrose | cjl: Hi! Thanks for joining |
| 13:10 | #TOPIC Translation | |
| 13:10 | cjl | Thoguht I woudl shopw up for discussion of wiki L10n. |
| 13:10 | FGrose | cjl: Do we have translators to guide us? |
| 13:11 | cjl | I actually have mixed feelings on wiki page translation. |
| 13:11 | There are the templates used on wiki.l.o , but if you have ever tried them, they suck | |
| 13:11 | The other major issue is keeping pages in synch when they change so often. | |
| 13:11 | walterbender | should we just use Pootle? |
| 13:12 | and git? | |
| 13:12 | cjl | My favored approach is the use of the googleTrnas links. |
| 13:12 | dfarning | cjl, Have you seen how wikipedia handles translations |
| 13:12 | cjl | dfarning: For the most part by having completely seprate wikis |
| 13:12 | walterbender | dfarning: does it? I thought the different language versions were independent, not translations |
| 13:13 | cjl | I am not convinced that there is a good answer. |
| 13:13 | dfarning | walterbender; by useing interlanguage links and translation templates many of the popular page are keep in sync. |
| 13:14 | cjl | Which is part of the reason I favor the machine translation links to the google translation engine. Good enough for most things, always "synched" to current page version. |
| 13:15 | walterbender | cjl: +1 nd things where we want real precision, e.g., the download pages, we can use pootle/git |
| 13:15 | cjl | dfarning: In practice that jsut doesn't happen. (versions staying synched). Look at wiki.l.o homepage |
| 13:15 | walterbender: I agree tha some highly select and visible pages may be worth tracking via pootle or git. | |
| 13:16 | walterbender | cjl: I think we could come up with a very short list |
| 13:16 | cjl | I would suggest pootle if hte pages can also be made t obe relatively static |
| 13:16 | dfarning | Yes, I am aware of the latency issues with syncing between languages:( |
| 13:17 | cjl | They may reside on a wiki, but they can't change too mcuh if you want decent translation coverage. It might onyl be a fixed portion of the page that is actually translated. |
| 13:17 | walterbender | cjl: I would hope that our instructions for installing Sugar will only change slowly, at release points... |
| 13:18 | cjl | me too |
| 13:18 | walterbender | cjl: I cannot think of nay other page that is critical to translate |
| 13:20 | cjl | I'm just trying to be a realist (and maybe coming off as a pessimist). Getting a page or two of text hosted in Pootle and manually synching a few variations on a wiki page seems possible. I know relatively little of po2html autromation, it might be worth investigating. |
| 13:21 | You would thionk tha HTML is jsut code like python and thqa the tools should be there, but I don't think they are as developed. | |
| 13:23 | dfarning | so we focus on a method of translating a _few_ high value page and handle the rest by google translate? |
| 13:23 | FGrose | Sounds like that for now |
| 13:23 | dfarning | download,install... |
| 13:23 | cjl | The reason for using Pootle (as opposed to just wiki) is that the L10n community tends to go there, but does much less wiki work. So you want to put it in front of them (a fewe pages as you say). |
| 13:24 | dfarning: I think that is feasible and realistic | |
| 13:25 | dfarning | is it reasonalbe to the the existing template system to handle a few pages. |
| 13:26 | I think if we eliminate a lot of the automation stuff the templates are usefull enough for selecting pages | |
| 13:26 | cjl | dfarning: yes, if someone wiki-wise creates the variations (the directions for doing so in the template are impenetrable). but you still have the issue of not getting L10n folks doing wiki work. |
| 13:26 | walterbender | I think we are best off using Pootle for the actual translations, however we incorporate them into the wiki |
| 13:27 | I wrote some simple scripts to generate pages for l.o using po files... easy enough to replicate for sl.o | |
| 13:27 | dfarning | +1 I thinki I can come a with a simple way to add the key pages manually to pootle |
| 13:28 | walterbender; lets try that. | |
| 13:28 | cjl | If you haven't tried it, I would suggest actually trying to walk through doing a new translation using http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Translations in a sandbox page. |
| 13:28 | It is pretty ugly. | |
| 13:28 | walterbender | so maybe the first step is to identify some key pages |
| 13:30 | dfarning | cjl, yes, using the entire translation template system would not be feasiable. |
| 13:30 | cjl | walterbender: One possible idea is to make these static HTML (but interlinked from wiki). |
| 13:30 | dfarning | Downloads |
| 13:31 | cjl | Ther are tools like po2html and html2po that might help |
| 13:31 | walterbender | cjl: +1 |
| 13:31 | cjl | something like A wiki page in english to capture improvements and dumps off to static HTML versions in other langs. |
| 13:32 | walterbender | dfarning: downloads will be unstable for another few weeks, I fear... |
| 13:32 | cjl | It does introduce a curation effort. |
| 13:32 | dfarning | cjl do you have time to research their usefullness? I don't understand the process well to make a good assement. |
| 13:33 | cjl | dfarning: not a lot of time, I'm reaching the end-game of winding down my company here and things are getting a little hectic. |
| 13:33 | http://translate.sourceforge.n[…]i/toolkit/html2po | |
| 13:34 | They are part of the Translate Toolkit (from the makers of Pootle) at translate.za.org | |
| 13:34 | The folks on #pootle are pretty nice and are friendly to OLPC/Sugar as we have tried to promote their tools and contribute where we could. | |
| 13:34 | dfarning | ok, I will try to set up a test so those of you who know what you are doing can see it it will work:) |
| 13:35 | if it will work | |
| 13:36 | back to walterbender 's request for initiall high valy and stable pages to test? | |
| 13:36 | cjl | goes afk briefly |
| 13:37 | walterbender | dfarning: why not start with the home page? www.s.o? |
| 13:37 | dfarning | ok, I'll have that ready and report back next week. |
| 13:38 | FGrose | With publication of notes we can call for Translators to take a lead on guiding us with the architecture, etc. |
| 13:38 | #TOPIC Copyright | |
| 13:40 | dfarning | Anyone else want to take this one:) |
| 13:40 | FGrose | Was there ever a page for that? |
| 13:41 | This is the OLPC page, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:Copyrights | |
| 13:42 | dfarning | FGrose; I can run that by Karen at the SFC. |
| 13:43 | FGrose | dfarning: That would be great. |
| 13:43 | walterbender | FGrose: w.sl.o is under a CC Attribution license... what is the problem? |
| 13:43 | FGrose | walterbender: Just a missing page |
| 13:44 | dfarning | walterbender; if you click edit their is a broken link at the bottom of the page. |
| 13:44 | walterbender | FGrose, dfarning: unless we want to change to a different license, I see no reason not to just make a similar page using CC 3.0 and be done with it... |
| 13:45 | dfarning: the link at the bottom of our pages works :) | |
| 13:45 | FGrose | #TOPIC Test Wiki |
| 13:45 | dfarning | walterbender; (see Sugar_Labs:Copyrights for details) is broken for me:( |
| 13:46 | FGrose; we can set up wiki-testing.sugarlabs.org on sunjammer. Will you have time to maintain it? | |
| 13:47 | FGrose | dfarning: I don't have infrastructure experience, but with a sandbox would use it as a learning environment |
| 13:48 | cjl | reads scroll-back |
| 13:48 | dfarning | ok, I'll set it up this afternoon, It will take a few days for the DNS to propagate. |
| 13:49 | FGrose; we can establish an account on Sunjammer for you via email | |
| 13:50 | dfarning; anything else?? | |
| 13:50 | FGrose | dfarning: OK, that sounds good for now |
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