| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:02 | SeanDaly | Hi Caroline! |
| 11:03 | Walter is in ttransit won't be with us today | |
| 11:03 | mchua | SeanDaly: wrists hanging in there... I think i can abuse them for an hour if I rest most of the rest of the day :) |
| 11:03 | SeanDaly | mchua: use brainwaves don't type too much |
| 11:03 | OK I want to get started because a lot to cover | |
| 11:04 | Sorry I was last-minutes with the agenda lots of activity this past week | |
| 11:04 | First off the run of 100 branded USB sticks | |
| 11:05 | I had some assistance from Anne Gentle whose friend annd neighbor works for a proomo priinting place | |
| 11:05 | and has a supplier for USB keys and will do them at cost and in time for FOSSVT | |
| 11:06 | At $9 per unit more than I planned but I ran out of time to work with unknowns and be 100% sure we would make the date | |
| 11:06 | For this price they will preload the SoaS image of our choice | |
| 11:07 | they claim to have tested a bootable GNU/Linux image fingers crossed they can do it, it's new for them | |
| 11:07 | There will be 3 color variations on a white key, echoing Christian's site | |
| 11:07 | tomeu | is here |
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | with colored lanyards (non-branded) |
| 11:07 | hi tomeu | |
| 11:07 | caroline | sounds great! |
| 11:08 | mchua | Gorgeous. |
| 11:08 | erikos | sounds nice indeed to have different colors |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly | they will be delivered directly to Caroline target date is April 7th |
| 11:08 | Yes I am very pleased there will be three colors | |
| 11:08 | erikos | SeanDaly: when do we have to ship the image for the stick? |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly | erikos: I will know tomorrow |
| 11:09 | erikos | SeanDaly: ok |
| 11:09 | SeanDaly | logo colors will probbably be related to lanyard colors, final choice not made yet |
| 11:09 | jt4sugar | Are we including testing instructions on stick |
| 11:09 | SeanDaly | I'd like to get a photo with the three coolored sticks in the foreground and 3 machines running it in the background :-) |
| 11:10 | erikos | tomeu: i guess this release is why we need soas-1 |
| 11:10 | tomeu: by the 7th of april - ~3 days | |
| 11:10 | tomeu | erikos: yup, looks like that |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: I would very much like to, re item 7 on the agenda |
| 11:11 | caroline | can we get browse to have sugarlabs.org as a home page? |
| 11:11 | SeanDaly | caroline: +1 |
| 11:11 | erikos | caroline: i guess that is doable |
| 11:11 | takes notes | |
| 11:12 | SeanDaly | Re SoaS-1 or -2: my idea was that FOSSVT would be a ttrampoline to annnounce "official beta" of SoaS-2 |
| 11:12 | and renew call for testers | |
| 11:12 | of course, being careful not to oversell | |
| 11:13 | erikos | SeanDaly: i want to discuss this a bit with sebastian |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly: not sure - what the best choice is at the moment | |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly: but soas-2 (F11) is still very rough | |
| 11:13 | SeanDaly | erikos: yes of course if it is too early to do a press push we can wait |
| 11:13 | erikos | SeanDaly: and integration work is hard - ask tomeu :/ |
| 11:14 | SeanDaly: at the moment - *we* are the testers for F11 :) | |
| 11:14 | tomeu | erikos: the upside is that we don't have any pending bugs on soas-2, right? |
| 11:14 | SeanDaly | To be clear, soft press release= published on our press page, "hard" press release = PR Newswire |
| 11:14 | erikos | SeanDaly: yes - sure |
| 11:14 | mchua | caroline: oy - i dropped the ball on fossvt, should I still try to go since I'm mostly only useful in person these days? |
| 11:15 | erikos | tomeu: hmm can you rephrase? |
| 11:15 | SeanDaly | We could go with another angle: working on making feedback very easy |
| 11:15 | caroline | yes you should try to go |
| 11:15 | tomeu | erikos: that we have solved (or know how to solve) all bugs that were found in soas-2 |
| 11:15 | mchua | i'm happy to keep visiting the soas schools with caroline to test f11 and etc if that's helpful - just learning that i need help typing bug reports :) |
| 11:15 | caroline | and try to have some time beforehand to help us get ready. |
| 11:16 | tomeu | mchua: find a small cousin to be your secretary |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | re FOSSVT and LinuxTag etc., I'd like to share a secret to success booth marketing |
| 11:16 | tomeu | you may need tons of ice cream, though |
| 11:16 | SeanDaly | "balloons" |
| 11:17 | tomeu | heh |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | Brandable and attracts kids (& grownups) |
| 11:17 | erikos | and a clown to hand them out? |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | inexpensive, suppliers everywhere |
| 11:17 | erikos | wants to be the clown |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | I'd love to be the clown but i'm afraid I won't make this one |
| 11:17 | mchua | can tie balloon animals |
| 11:17 | erikos | mchua: whoooo |
| 11:17 | mchua | tomeu: ooo. I might try that. |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | mchua: another secret ttalent! |
| 11:18 | tomeu | at fisl 2007 I had a bad experience with giving away olpc tshirts, at some point the people wanting tshirts displaced the ones interested in olpc |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | Black logo on any color balloon should look fine |
| 11:18 | erikos | tomeu: you mean all the bugs are in rawhide at the moment - not ours? |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | balloons cheaper than swag :-) |
| 11:18 | and MUCH cheaper than USB sticks :-) | |
| 11:18 | erikos | tomeu: good point |
| 11:18 | tomeu | erikos: no, that we don't have any known integration bugs in soas-2 |
| 11:19 | erikos | tomeu: yeah - it is not in our hand really |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | balloons: tough choice is between helium (kids prefer) and air (budget preferes) |
| 11:19 | tomeu | iptables, policykit, NM, write, etc. solved them already |
| 11:19 | erikos | tomeu: solved-->hacked ;) |
| 11:20 | tomeu | right ;) |
| 11:20 | mchua | balloons for those who play with sugar - try our soas station, get a balloon |
| 11:20 | caroline | is this for a specific conference? |
| 11:20 | SeanDaly | mchua: +1 |
| 11:20 | tomeu | cool |
| 11:20 | SeanDaly | Caroline: it could be for any conference what about FOSSVT? too serious? :-) |
| 11:21 | caroline | we won't have a booth |
| 11:21 | we have a talk | |
| 11:21 | so not applicable. | |
| 11:21 | SeanDaly | caroline: my confusion |
| 11:22 | caroline: although if you get on the podium with soome balloons everybody there will know Sugar is fun :D | |
| 11:22 | agenda item 2 we had spoken about a "developer press release" | |
| 11:22 | erikos, tomeu, do we have a message to get out? | |
| 11:23 | caroline | on the SoaS image for FOSSVT can we include IRC defaulted to #sugar? |
| 11:23 | erikos | SeanDaly: you mean the OLPCNews article? |
| 11:23 | tomeu | SeanDaly: not sure I heard about that before |
| 11:24 | mchua | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]lopers/Sugar_0.84 ? |
| 11:24 | tomeu | caroline: on this soas-2, it goes to #sugar and #olpc-help |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | erikos: no, we had talked a few weeks ago about informing developers where we are since the "public" press release for parents & teachers was very general |
| 11:24 | mchua | can we schedule and announce some "new dev start parties" on irc and plug them at the end of that announcement? |
| 11:24 | tomeu | SeanDaly: so about what has been released, not where are we going? |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | I'm not sure if we need to do a soft release like that |
| 11:24 | erikos | SeanDaly: well we could use the release notes for that |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | tomeu: could be |
| 11:25 | mchua | some people really need a "show up here at X time and Y place and we'll get you going" thing, esp folks new to OSS |
| 11:25 | tomeu | btw, gnome does a press release every time they make a release? I think I have never seen one |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | again, i'm not saying we need that, but if our press page has a developer-specific release talking distribution tech perhaps it could help us with distributions & oems? |
| 11:27 | erikos | tomeu: what we could/should do is to announce the release page |
| 11:27 | tomeu: on the ml - the blogs etc | |
| 11:27 | tomeu: that we have not done so yet | |
| 11:27 | tomeu | SeanDaly: hmm, so who is the audience and what do we want to communicate? |
| 11:28 | SeanDaly: the article of olpc news was intended to show how sugar moves towards engaging people in modifying and creating their own tools | |
| 11:28 | might not be the same idea, right? | |
| 11:28 | erikos: yeah, I guess you are right | |
| 11:29 | SeanDaly | grrr intterrupted by phone |
| 11:30 | erikos | tomeu: we could as well wait until our update release is out though |
| 11:30 | SeanDaly | If we don't have a message to get out at the moment, we can save the effort :D but the original conncern was that we were addressing the public to be rreassuring & informative, but not out partners in development |
| 11:30 | s/out/our | |
| 11:31 | tomeu | I see |
| 11:31 | SeanDaly | Right now I'm leaning towards FOSSVT as the next release |
| 11:31 | s/release/press release | |
| 11:31 | depending on what we want to say, can be with or without PR Newswire | |
| 11:31 | tomeu | I have my mind pretty much filled up right now, but if someone thinks we should address to some people with something technical, can give a hand |
| 11:32 | jt4sugar | The best target audience would be University Computer Science Students all have projects to do-Talk about Sugar, Python and the possibilities of Collaboration |
| 11:32 | SeanDaly | Actually Ii think organizing feedback in a useful & manageable way is more urgent |
| 11:32 | tomeu | SeanDaly: so the audience would be "partners in development"? who would that people be? |
| 11:32 | SeanDaly | developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, |
| 11:33 | tomeu | generic developers? ;) |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | keep in mind I don't know about paddling upstream vs. downstream |
| 11:33 | caroline | Linux developes, game developers, python developers, VMWare developers, people who think BIOS on computes s facinating... |
| 11:33 | we need to diversify a bit | |
| 11:33 | tomeu | I guess activity developers are our most consistent development community |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | But in my mind this is part of how we get included (& promoted!) on distributions |
| 11:34 | jt4sugar | Budding developers at Universities throughout the world-Get them a Starter Pack |
| 11:34 | tomeu | right now I mean, in the future this should change |
| 11:34 | SeanDaly | with activities.sugarlabs.org we will shortly be ready to scale in terms of number of Activities |
| 11:34 | caroline | maybe a press release when we hit 100 activities? or 250? |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | I've been impressed with the number of GSoC applicants |
| 11:35 | caroline | When/how do you want to publicize our pilot with GPA? |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | caroline: +1 great idea - an easy-to-remember milestone |
| 11:35 | caroline: which one iis that? | |
| 11:36 | caroline | Gardner Pilot Academy in alston our SoaS pilot |
| 11:36 | SeanDaly | caroline: ah yes 3rd time you've reminded me GPA=Gardner |
| 11:36 | Best way I think is with film, photos | |
| 11:36 | Youtube | |
| 11:37 | We should be planning a countdown to SoaS v1.0 | |
| 11:37 | mchua | notes there are 23 mins left |
| 11:37 | ;) | |
| 11:37 | caroline | Should we wait till we have SoaS runing there or do one as is on the school? |
| 11:37 | SeanDaly | With an event or press release of news at least every 6 weeks |
| 11:37 | caroline: I feel it's like the USB sticks: even something basic will be seed to go further afterwards | |
| 11:38 | caroline | sounds good. I will coordinate with you offline |
| 11:38 | SeanDaly | The "images" i would like to see on Youtube are: class of kids, 2 or 3 different machines running Sugar, kids collaborating |
| 11:38 | Closeup of Sugar screen | |
| 11:39 | OK I'm looking at the clock on item 4 of the agenda, the printable PDF | |
| 11:39 | caroline I'm going to ask Christian if he can assist me with that | |
| 11:40 | basically I just want to condense some text from the static site explaiining Sugar, a Mike Lee photo, a screenshot | |
| 11:40 | I want to return to the feedback question but before I do, | |
| 11:41 | We need to choose an update to the phrase: "Spin-off of the "Sugar" desktop environment to another project." | |
| 11:41 | Concise | |
| 11:41 | for example, "Makers of the Sugar Learning Platform for children" | |
| 11:42 | tomeu | that's nice |
| 11:42 | SeanDaly | ^^that's descriptive, but it's dull |
| 11:42 | tomeu | is dull |
| 11:42 | SeanDaly | Some help please for a snappy poppy phrase which will induce clicking ! :-) |
| 11:42 | tomeu | finest cookers of Sugar |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | or maybe a first dull phrase, then a crackiling one |
| 11:43 | caroline | Crystalizers of Sugar |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | Could be a call to action: "Kids love to learn with Sugar, try it on your computer" |
| 11:45 | Or fantastical: "from the magic land of free software" | |
| 11:45 | or down-to-earth: "Sugar is used by hundreds of thousands of children every schools day" | |
| 11:46 | Please send suggestions to the list, Luke said he would help us get that indexed | |
| 11:46 | any other topics before I return to "feedback"? | |
| 11:46 | jt4sugar | Sugar: Where Learning to Learn is Sweet-try it out! |
| 11:47 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: I like that |
| 11:48 | by the way I plan to contact the Chicago and Co. Cork Ireland schools who will be working together this fall | |
| 11:48 | tomeu | I hope we can choose one quickly |
| 11:48 | anything will be better than what we have now | |
| 11:48 | SeanDaly | tomeu: if we can't we'll just go with factual even that will be bettter than what it is today |
| 11:49 | although I am very pleased at how reliable our referencing has become, the media launch did that i think | |
| 11:49 | OK re feedback: I was looking at Survey Monkey | |
| 11:49 | tomeu | google has always indexed very well olpc and sugarlabs sites |
| 11:50 | SeanDaly | tomeu: yes the challenge we had was that tthe wiki was better referenced than the static intro |
| 11:50 | tomeu | I remember trying to google for apis we use in sugar, and find first indexed sugar code than the api docs |
| 11:50 | SeanDaly | and, we still need to work on improving navigation between the 3 sections |
| 11:51 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: Did they survey the 600 Uruguay Teachers? |
| 11:51 | SeanDaly | Survey Monkey is a cheap SaS solution for taking questionnaires as short or long as you like |
| 11:51 | jt4sugar: my understanding from Walter is that hasn't been done yet | |
| 11:52 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: ok |
| 11:52 | SeanDaly | Survey Monkey has been used by NGOs and big companies, since fast & easy to deploy |
| 11:52 | caroline | survey monkey +1 for easy, |
| 11:52 | SeanDaly | and data exportable |
| 11:53 | actually the "easy" part is the questionnaire | |
| 11:53 | the hard part is handling the data in a useful way | |
| 11:53 | jt4sugar | Does it have translation abilities? |
| 11:54 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: you mean multilanguage questions, or translation of data? |
| 11:54 | I'd be surprised if translation of data was in there | |
| 11:55 | A "brute-force" approach could be: get a few hundred or more responses in several languages, | |
| 11:55 | and index by weighted synonyms such as "boot" or "freeze" | |
| 11:55 | Another approach: upload of a logfile? | |
| 11:56 | If easy enough for tester, could be an easy-to-parse source of info across configs | |
| 11:57 | I don't want to directly connect web-facing feedback to us, | |
| 11:57 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: since many Teachers using Sugar speak Spanish at the moment this is important to think about |
| 11:57 | SeanDaly | but to gather lots of data and "distill" it into findingd |
| 11:57 | s/findingd/findings/ | |
| 11:58 | For example, when I boot SoaS on my French keyboards it types qwerty I need to type blind | |
| 11:58 | tomeu | several people from deployments have offered to summarize and translate the feedback from there |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | but I'm not sure how or whom to tell about that |
| 11:58 | tomeu | not yet from .uy, though |
| 11:58 | http://sugarlabs.org/go/DeploymentTeam/Places | |
| 11:59 | I hope we can process manually that feedback, it can be invaluable | |
| 11:59 | SeanDaly | tomeu: if we can find a few hardy souls willing to help us compile questions |
| 11:59 | tomeu | hmm, I think I saw a good set of questions already? |
| 11:59 | SeanDaly | We can say upfront that although we cannot respond to each report, assistance is invaluable |
| 12:00 | in the backoffice if we have a fairly usable way to stock the data we can already do loys of stuff with text searches, tagging, starring for interest level, etc. | |
| 12:00 | s/loys/lots/ | |
| 12:00 | tomeu | SeanDaly: asking which are the 5 worst issues in sugar, the 5 best things and the 5 most pressing missing features, would be already quite good |
| 12:00 | SeanDaly | tomeu: +1 |
| 12:01 | tomeu | if they get to write an essay each, will be very hard to get useful data from there |
| 12:01 | (though could do lovely stories) | |
| 12:01 | SeanDaly | And, "what did you want to do with Sugar that you found difficult or impossible?" |
| 12:01 | jt4sugar | We should think of two types of surveys 1. Teacher/Student-Activities use/Lesson plans 2. Software testing-Technical survey |
| 12:01 | tomeu | yup |
| 12:01 | jt4sugar: actually, hpachas-PE said that in peru they are working on a testing protocol | |
| 12:02 | SeanDaly | tomeu: I believe very important to have freeform field because that's where people really express frustration, admiration, etc. |
| 12:02 | tomeu | SeanDaly: that's fine, but maybe we won't get that info summarized and translated |
| 12:02 | SeanDaly | Best-practice surveys are multiple-choice for easy data analysis reporting with freeform at the end |
| 12:02 | hpachas-PE | tomeu, yes |
| 12:02 | tomeu, te envio nuestro protocolo | |
| 12:03 | SeanDaly | Again, I'm not suggesting systelatic analysis |
| 12:03 | tomeu | hpachas-PE: awesome! |
| 12:03 | SeanDaly | s/systelatic/systematic |
| 12:03 | hpachas-PE | tomeu, listo , lo tienes en tu mail |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | My concept is: we get data - we thank for data - we run cursory analysis by e.g. keywords or multiple-choice answers - we look at freeform to see if patterns emerge |
| 12:04 | * I wish I spoke Spanish | |
| 12:04 | on my list for next year :-) | |
| 12:05 | For action, tomeu perhaps we coould get in sync concerning what's being done in UY and PE? | |
| 12:05 | and liaising with country contacts | |
| 12:06 | I have no doubt deployments want us to listen | |
| 12:06 | mchua | Do we need olpc-sur weekly list summaries again? |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | And, what they want to tell us may surprise us :-) |
| 12:06 | mchua: sorry not sure what that was? | |
| 12:07 | tomeu | SeanDaly: yup, though walter is the best informed one, I think |
| 12:07 | mchua | There is a Spanish language class in Boston looking for a way to help, and I can see if they would bite. (And others may know other Spanish classes that would bite.) |
| 12:07 | tomeu | mchua: I think it would be great |
| 12:07 | SeanDaly | I'll be seeing Walter in Paris in a week he will be able to debrief me better than e-mail |
| 12:07 | jt4sugar | Need Use Survey:How are you using Sugar? What activities are you using? To teach what subjects? How do you use the collaboration features of Sugar? |
| 12:07 | tomeu | mchua: also olpc-uruguay, etc |
| 12:07 | mchua | SeanDaly: olpc-sur = spanish language discussion list, many uy & pe teachers |
| 12:07 | tomeu: ahh, yes - any others? | |
| 12:08 | SeanDaly | mchua +1 for Spanish class they could be very useful |
| 12:08 | can anyone point me to the oolpc mailing lists page? | |
| 12:08 | tomeu | mchua: I would check which ones in http://lists.laptop.org/ have traffic, I'm only in olpc-sur |
| 12:09 | mchua | tomeu: will do. |
| 12:09 | cjl | lists.laptop.org |
| 12:09 | SeanDaly | cjl: thank you |
| 12:09 | Google had 3 different links | |
| 12:10 | OK everybody I'm going to wind it down unless there is anyything else? | |
| 12:10 | going once... | |
| 12:10 | going twice... | |
| 12:11 | #endmeeting |