| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:07 | SeanDaly | Hi who is here today? |
| 11:07 | tomeu | is here |
| 11:07 | mchua | is here! |
| 11:08 | jt4sugar | jt4sugar is here |
| 11:08 | mchua | nudges gregdek and wonders if caroline is coming back |
| 11:08 | SeanDaly | I will ask you to bear with me if I disappear temporarily, hotel wifi is iffy on my Alp |
| 11:08 | dfarning | is here |
| 11:08 | mchua | thanks for chairing the meeting, SeanDaly. |
| 11:09 | gregdek | hullos. |
| 11:09 | SeanDaly | Hi everybody, here's what I propose today: a first part where we discuss last week's 3 priorities, then a more open discussion/brainstorming part, if that sits well with you |
| 11:10 | tomeu | sounds good to me |
| 11:10 | caroline | hi |
| 11:10 | SeanDaly | I apologize I haven't updated the wiki, just opened an account yesterday, I didn't realize I could do that myself :-) |
| 11:11 | Hi Caroline | |
| 11:12 | OK so here are the three priotities I noted last week: Nr1: Make SL press-contactable, Nr2: Elevator pitch for teachers, Nr3: obtain USB sticks | |
| 11:12 | mchua | nods |
| 11:14 | SeanDaly | I did volunteer for Nr.1 so let me tell me where I am: compiling contact lists (thank yous to David & Walter) and preparing "letterhead" for releases. |
| 11:14 | My idea being a release should be both plaintext and a very nice-looking PDF. | |
| 11:15 | mchua | That sounds great. If you need any help overhauling the MarketingTeam wikipages to look nice, let me know and I'd be glad to pitch in. |
| 11:15 | SeanDaly | Here's a question: could everyone on marketing e-mail to the list the publications they think are important? If a contact doesn't exist for that title, I will develop one. |
| 11:16 | For example, Government Computer News (gcn.com) | |
| 11:16 | dfarning | sound good. |
| 11:17 | SeanDaly | if I understand correctly, Sugar v.0.84 is coming out first week of March? perhaps a good event for first PR mailing? |
| 11:17 | mchua | SeanDaly: do you want to "#ACTION everyone on marketing e-mail to the list the publications they think are important" that? (only the meeting chair's #actions are noted.) |
| 11:18 | SeanDaly | #ACTION everyone on marketing to list publications they think are important for press mailings |
| 11:19 | dfarning | SeanDaly, yes with primary story being we are alive and kicking |
| 11:19 | SeanDaly | Aside from specific PR copy, I'd like to include a footer with "Generic" elevator pitch. Do we have consensus for that text? |
| 11:20 | dfarning: yes, exactly | |
| 11:21 | Another question, what is the mailing (snailmail, street) address for SugarLabs? Maybe i didn't look enough but I didn't find it on the site :-( | |
| 11:22 | tomeu | tries to remember what a street is |
| 11:22 | dfarning | either sfc offices or walter's house:( |
| 11:23 | mchua | Walter's rough elevator pitch for teachers is http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ruary/000279.html. |
| 11:23 | SeanDaly | Finally, does anyone have an objection if I obtain a dedicated GSM number for press contacts? On my dime (to start with at least) |
| 11:23 | tomeu: laughing in Alps | |
| 11:23 | caroline | GSM? |
| 11:24 | mchua | hey, I'd say do it. |
| 11:24 | dfarning | googling for gsm too |
| 11:24 | SeanDaly | caroline: Sorry, "cellphone" it's the world standard outside the USA |
| 11:24 | cjl | mchua, before tha gets sent to teachers do a better spell check complimented > complemented (for example) |
| 11:24 | caroline | how about using Grand Central |
| 11:24 | then we could actually set it up to forward to different people at different times of day. | |
| 11:24 | and its free | |
| 11:25 | dfarning | GSM->Global System for Mobile |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | cjl: Actually the "generic" elevator pitch and "teacher" pitch i expect would be different... |
| 11:25 | caroline | hmm but I wonder if it fowradsa outside the US |
| 11:25 | SeanDaly | What's Grand Central? |
| 11:25 | cjl | SeanDaly: Both should use correct spelling |
| 11:25 | mchua | http://www.grandcentral.com/ |
| 11:25 | dfarning | http://www.grandcentral.com/ |
| 11:25 | caroline | Googles entry in the internet phone market |
| 11:26 | mchua | I'm a +1 for grandcentral; being able to forward it to different numbers is a good idea. |
| 11:26 | SeanDaly | OK got it on the other computer will check that out |
| 11:27 | jt4sugar | Generic pitch needs to be something like "Sugar:Where Learning to Learn is Sweet" |
| 11:27 | mchua | cjl, "proofreading this press release has been left as an exercise for the student" ;) |
| 11:27 | SeanDaly | I do want to keep the SL PR line independent from my personal lines, for obvious reasons :D |
| 11:27 | caroline | hmm GC maynot work internationally: http://groups.google.com/group[…]5dd5eac1c3b?pli=1 |
| 11:28 | dfarning | Grand Central look line a good way to put the spof on google rather than sean |
| 11:28 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: Yes, as a motto/slogan but by pitch I mean a short paragraph describing Sugarlabs and what it does |
| 11:30 | #ACTION SeanDaly to investigate solutions for PR voice line including standard GSM phone or GrandCentral | |
| 11:30 | Which leads me to point 2 on the agenda: elevator pitch for teachers. I have some questions | |
| 11:31 | mchua | shoot! |
| 11:31 | SeanDaly | How do we get teacher feedback today? is it ad hoc, or indexed/categorized/stored? |
| 11:32 | As a shortcut: Have we already identified any teachers offering five-star feedback? | |
| 11:32 | mchua | as far as I know, ad-hoc. |
| 11:33 | SeanDaly | I saw somewhere that local support groups are fielding teacher feedback & questions? |
| 11:33 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: We have opportunity through Dr. Evangeline Stefanikis-BU but must get funded |
| 11:33 | tomeu | teachers may enter bug tickets as anyone else, but haven't been doing that much to date |
| 11:34 | SeanDaly: I'm trying to organize that, help needed | |
| 11:34 | http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ruary/004054.html | |
| 11:35 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: When I'm in Boston next week I will be working on getting it funded |
| 11:35 | SeanDaly | tomeu: i wish to help. It's my belief that we absolutely need teacher buy-in, and the best ways to do that are 1) make Sugar easy to try & test and 2) make feedback easy to do |
| 11:35 | tomeu | but we have teachers directly in the global sugarlabs community, that effort is more about reaching teachers that for some reason don't see as practical to join the mailing lists, etc |
| 11:36 | SeanDaly | tomeu: thanks for link |
| 11:36 | jt4sugar | Most Teachers in US don't know we exist |
| 11:37 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: & probably outside the US too |
| 11:37 | jt4sugar | Very True |
| 11:37 | tomeu | also, most teachers using sugar in their classrooms won't know english, those regional contacts are meant to translate, etc |
| 11:38 | SeanDaly | jt4sugar: we can attack that problem by sending press releases to education-themed publications, for starters |
| 11:38 | tomeu | maybe we can start with a couple of regions we already know how to work with, then extend it to other regions |
| 11:38 | austria and nepal have offered very good feedback to date, for example | |
| 11:38 | directly from kids using sugar in classrooms | |
| 11:39 | SeanDaly | tomeu: I'd rather get raw feedback, then figure out how to translate it myslef. Unless we are talking hundreds of feedback messages |
| 11:39 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: Work with Dr. Stefanikis is to help put in place feedback loop |
| 11:40 | SeanDaly | #ACTION SeanDaly will make contact with Austria 7 Nepal local groups re: teacher feedback |
| 11:40 | #ACTION SeanDaly will contact Dr. Stefanikis to work on feedback loop | |
| 11:41 | A perhaps silly question, is Christian's beta static site meant to replace the SL site, or as an alternative to explain SL? | |
| 11:41 | mchua | I think it's the latter. |
| 11:42 | jt4sugar: | |
| 11:42 | http://blog.melchua.com/2009/0[…]tion-walkthrough/ | |
| 11:42 | tomeu | we'll certainly need a wiki for several reasons |
| 11:43 | SeanDaly | mchua: OK Mel An idea I would like to run by him is a kind of self-selector often used on websites: SugarLabs for: Learners / Teachers / Partners / ... |
| 11:43 | jt4sugar | SeanDaly: Dr. Stefanakis has Draft funding proposal I will get to you-Can't go forward without funding because of BU contract |
| 11:43 | dfarning | SeanDaly, it is more of a consistant land point for our entire web presence. |
| 11:44 | jt4sugar | mchua: Sweet |
| 11:45 | tomeu | SeanDaly: about gathering first and translating later, might be a good issue to discuss as a reply to the email I linked above |
| 11:45 | SeanDaly | dfarning: perhaps we could consider a basic splash page which "orients" visitors, even if just a frontend to the existing site (i wouldn't want to place high priority yet on revamping whole site) |
| 11:45 | tomeu: OK I will pick up that thread thanks | |
| 11:46 | tomeu | cool |
| 11:46 | SeanDaly | As the clock is running along I want to discuss point 3: USB sticks |
| 11:47 | I started contacting Pantone about USB stick donations, will follow up | |
| 11:47 | But i have some questions about that too I'm afraid :-) | |
| 11:47 | caroline | ok |
| 11:49 | SeanDaly | First of all I'm not really clear on how close we are to a reliable stick that will boot... I see lots of bugs being attacked and lots of upstream/downstream/distribution discussions but... do we have any sort of timeframe for a reliable SoaS? |
| 11:50 | caroline | My plan is to have it ready to beta test in a class in the Fall |
| 11:50 | this spring I think we will use it at conferences and for 1-shot classes on specific appliciations | |
| 11:51 | SeanDaly | caroline: OK I saw in one of jt4sugar's thought maps you have a school project going? Where they have ibooks I believe |
| 11:51 | caroline | yes, the teachers do. |
| 11:51 | that is where we will pilot in the fall. | |
| 11:51 | the Boston Public Schools gave all the teachers ibooks. but very few computers for students. | |
| 11:52 | SeanDaly | caroline: OK clear |
| 11:52 | Perhaps it's in fact too early to make SoaS high-priority for marketing/PR? | |
| 11:52 | tomeu | erikos ^ |
| 11:53 | caroline | well its an interesting story, but we shouldn't be tellng people thy can use it in a class tomorrow. |
| 11:53 | but its going to be hard to test if we have no sticks | |
| 11:53 | erikos | please wait with marketing Soas |
| 11:53 | caroline | hard to committ to firm development deadlines with no resources. |
| 11:53 | SeanDaly | ahh catch-22 |
| 11:53 | jt4sugar | We can try to get SoaS in hands of College, High School students in Beta to hack and help |
| 11:53 | SeanDaly | How many sticks do we need to get started? |
| 11:53 | tomeu | hmm, soas should boot quite well once F11 has been released, right? |
| 11:54 | erikos | tomeu: yes |
| 11:54 | caroline | it boots pretty well on F10 |
| 11:54 | tomeu | and by that time, sugar should run quite well on it, right? |
| 11:54 | caroline | just some activities don;t work and not all hardware works. |
| 11:54 | erikos | we have two more weeks to fix bugs - at least i can not work on Soas now |
| 11:54 | caroline | my problem is if we dont have PR I can't get resources, if I can;t get resources I can't make the Fall timeframe. |
| 11:55 | SeanDaly | Please forgive my ignorance but does Fedora (10 or 11) have to be on the host computer to boot SoaS, or is self-contained on the USB stick image? |
| 11:55 | tomeu | erikos: is there a lot of work to do in integrating sugar on soas? or the two efforts are largely independent? |
| 11:55 | SeanDaly: self-contained | |
| 11:55 | erikos | tomeu: well - it is distraction mostly |
| 11:55 | tomeu | SeanDaly: fedora will be testing fedora 11 with other desktop (gnome) instead of sugar |
| 11:56 | SeanDaly: soas is basically a fedora 11 live image with sugar instead of gnome | |
| 11:56 | SeanDaly | tomeu: thanks for info |
| 11:56 | tomeu | so the fedora guys will be doing a good deal of the total work |
| 11:56 | erikos | tomeu: sdziallas will work on soas-2 - whenever this is stable we can start to promote it i think |
| 11:56 | sdziallas | drops in ;) |
| 11:57 | tomeu | when is Fedora 11 released? |
| 11:57 | caroline | Sean, other technology companies PR about products before they are done. Certainly OLPC talked about it before they had a fully wroking in production system right? |
| 11:57 | SeanDaly | Sorry to insist but... how many sticks do we think we need to do decent beta testing, obtain funding/resources? |
| 11:57 | sdziallas | tomeu: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]eases/11/Schedule |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | caroline: of course... the idea would be to respect an announced timeframe :-) |
| 11:58 | caroline | I did a spreadsheet on that hang on. |
| 11:58 | sdziallas | (sorry, it's hard for me to be around for this meeting from the beginning, but I'll try as good as I can) |
| 11:58 | caroline | http://spreadsheets.google.com[…]VKzfbn5mlXg&hl=en |
| 11:58 | tomeu | ok, so by 26th May we should have F11 booting quite well on a wide range of hardware |
| 11:58 | SeanDaly | sdziallas: I understand a transcript will magically appear somewhere (it's a little mysterious because I am an IRC newbie) |
| 11:59 | erikos | tomeu: i guess we can even start to promote it a bit before that date |
| 11:59 | caroline | that is awful tight for my summer program |
| 11:59 | sdziallas | SeanDaly: :) I'll read back, then... |
| 11:59 | tomeu | and also by end of May, we'll have released some bugfix releases of sugar 0.84, so I think we'll have both a stable base and a stable sugar |
| 11:59 | jt4sugar | We need PR for funding first-Talk about the possibilities of Sugar-Then come back with Great product |
| 11:59 | tomeu | so I don't see as too risky saying that we'll have a rocking soas by then |
| 12:00 | erikos | tomeu: agreed |
| 12:00 | tomeu | caroline: that's final release, we'll have betas much earlier |
| 12:00 | SeanDaly | The reason I harp on the stick is that from a marketing standpoint it is an excellent symbol of Sugar's existence independently of the XO |
| 12:00 | caroline | ok :) |
| 12:01 | We are very close to having a product we could take into a computer lab and use for an hour with kids. | |
| 12:01 | would that be a good press release? | |
| 12:01 | erikos | SeanDaly: absolutely, it is chicken and egg as always - i totally understand the need as well for caroline to get funding |
| 12:01 | caroline | As for bug reports, take a look at what is still coming in on XOs :) we expect bug and feature requests for years! |
| 12:02 | SeanDaly | caroline: yes! and what we want to do is film it, edit a 3-minute film ending with an URL, and upload it to YouTube |
| 12:02 | tomeu | oooh |
| 12:02 | caroline | ok |
| 12:03 | We could do somehting where we just worked with Turtle Art for an hour. | |
| 12:03 | SeanDaly | Let's assume I ask a corporate sponsor to provide 500 sticks... do we accept their branding/co-branding on the sticks? |
| 12:03 | caroline | bring Walter in to run it. |
| 12:03 | Sean, I think yes, but see if you can get them to give us a few $1000s with it for ISB extender cords and suck. | |
| 12:03 | such | |
| 12:03 | SeanDaly | caroline: an hour should provide enough rushes for a 3-minute final cut ;-) |
| 12:04 | caroline | USB Extension cords - old computesr have the ports in the back so a cord to extend it out to the front is a big help. |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | How do we load 500 USB sticks? |
| 12:04 | caroline | lots of volunteers :) |
| 12:04 | dfarning | likes SeanDaly methodical approach, it matches my pedantry. |
| 12:04 | caroline | someday we will automate but not today. |
| 12:04 | SeanDaly | caroline: another merchandising idea... SugarLabs branded USB hub ;-) |
| 12:05 | caroline | yup :) |
| 12:05 | tomeu | sugarlabs branded laptops :p |
| 12:05 | SeanDaly | tomeu: :D |
| 12:06 | jt4sugar | Skins for Laptops "I've just been Sugarized" |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | By the way, perhaps by USB stick we might mean an SD card, with a small hub reaching to the back of the PC? |
| 12:06 | Or does that add a layer of technical complexity? | |
| 12:07 | caroline: re automation: I agree, late-night flashing to get the job done before big Sugar factory | |
| 12:08 | Friends, the hour is up already... perhaps we van continue on the marketing mailing list? | |
| 12:08 | tomeu | SeanDaly: the soas software should run quite well on the sd cards |
| 12:08 | caroline | thank you good meeting! |
| 12:08 | I have to run | |
| 12:08 | sdziallas | tomeu, SeanDaly: yep, don't see any issues here... |
| 12:08 | tomeu | SeanDaly: I think the issue is that a usb stick is easier to carry and not lose it |
| 12:08 | SeanDaly | I don't have an ACTION for point 3 but we will work on it thanks |
| 12:09 | OK ending meeting thanks all! | |
| 12:09 | #5,4,3,2,1,... | |
| 12:09 | #endmeeting |