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| 19:58 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 19:58 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Nov 6 19:58:11 2019 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:58 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 20:00 | Quozl | #topic quorum seeking mode |
| 20:00 | samsong | Hello everyone |
| 20:01 | MrBIOS | hello |
| 20:02 | Quozl | #agreed we have james, samson, and alex. quorum not achieved yet. |
| 20:03 | walterbender: are you here? | |
| 20:05 | walterbender | hi |
| 20:06 | Quozl | #agreed we have walter, james, samson, and alex. quorum achieved. |
| 20:06 | any topics for today's agenda? i'll report on sugar development and infra. | |
| 20:06 | walterbender | I will ping Devin and Claudia -- we had a time change... |
| 20:06 | GCI | |
| 20:07 | Quozl | okay, i'll go first. |
| 20:07 | #topic sugar development and infrastructure | |
| 20:07 | MrBIOS | good topic :) |
| 20:08 | Quozl | Sugar development is myself and Ibiam. No others. Infrastructure broken is translate.sugarlabs.org. activities.sugarlabs.org is likely compromised now given a PHP in the wild attack vector. |
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| 20:09 | Quozl | We don't have the people to fix LDAP or respond to Wiki account requests, as far as I've seen in the past week while I was travelling. |
| 20:09 | That's all I had to say about the topic. | |
| 20:09 | llaske | Hi, Sorry thought it was one hour later due to DST |
| 20:09 | walterbender | has handled the wiki |
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| 20:10 | Quozl | walterbender: please use a reply to the mailing list so we know it is done? |
| 20:10 | walterbender | OK. |
| 20:10 | I didn't want to spam | |
| 20:10 | MrBIOS | Quozl: I can fix translate.sugarlabs.org, and scan ASLO. |
| 20:10 | Quozl | MrBIOS: thanks. |
| 20:10 | #topic GCI | |
| 20:11 | walterbender | We have a plethora of mentors |
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| 20:11 | walterbender | Lots of experience through GSoC and previous GCI participants |
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| 20:11 | Claudia_ | Hi everyonee |
| 20:11 | walterbender | We were also asked by Stephanie to help with a new org. |
| 20:11 | samsong | Hello |
| 20:12 | Quozl | llaske: meeting is advertised on the wiki for 20 UTC, so my guess is devin made simple mistake of recording the meeting time in local time. |
| 20:12 | walterbender | So I invited two additional people, who will focus on tasks to expand our Pippy lessons |
| 20:12 | llaske | Quozl: thanks to ping me |
| 20:12 | walterbender | they work on teaching programming |
| 20:13 | Quozl | walterbender: as usual i'm concerned that we have many mentors who have not significantly contributed to the projects we run. they aren't good role models for students. |
| 20:13 | walterbender | Next up, defining tasks |
| 20:14 | MrBIOS | Quozl: I share the same concern, and have voiced it to walterbender |
| 20:14 | llaske | Quozl: really? Who accept them? |
| 20:14 | Quozl | mind you, we're great at multiplying those sort of mentors. ;-) |
| 20:14 | walterbender | I have turned away a lot of people |
| 20:14 | MrBIOS | yep, you mentioned that, and it’s good to hear |
| 20:14 | walterbender | but I accept GSoC and GCI contributors |
| 20:15 | llaske | May be we could ask to each mentor to list its contribution to SugarLabs in a Wiki page |
| 20:15 | walterbender | I asked that and some have already done that. |
| 20:16 | llaske | walterbender: GSoC contributors = GSoC student ? |
| 20:16 | walterbender | yes |
| 20:16 | llaske | sounds fair |
| 20:16 | Quozl | any other topics? |
| 20:16 | walterbender | I actually turned down of a few GSoC students who didn't live up to our expectations |
| 20:16 | no need to mention names. | |
| 20:17 | We should ack that we have money in the bank | |
| 20:17 | Quozl | walterbender: as you've captured named in public using the wiki, i imagine they have accepted their names will be removed in public. |
| 20:17 | walterbender | MrBIOS, anything else we need to do on that front |
| 20:17 | Quozl | #topic Sugar Labs, Inc |
| 20:18 | Claudia_ | walterbender: we may organize a follow up meeting with the group from England |
| 20:18 | Quozl | MrBIOS: did you get a reply form Bradley or SFC after you suggested pique? |
| 20:19 | Claudia_ | they are interested in developing a music project... but it would be good to understand better the ideas they have in mind |
| 20:19 | Quozl | MrBIOS: last i saw was Bradley suggesting they would pay at the latest date they could. |
| 20:19 | MrBIOS | Quozl: nothing, as suspected. The money that was agreed to be transferred to Sugar Labs, Inc. in the form of a grant from SFC, has been deposited, and the funds should clear within a day. As the first order of financial business on that side, I have scheduled a bill pay for the lawyer, Kyle Mitchell, who has mitchell |
| 20:19 | …who has sent us a bill a couple of weeks ago. | |
| 20:19 | walterbender | we should pay him |
| 20:20 | Quozl | do you have quorum here enough in the new org to agree to pay? |
| 20:20 | (if not enough of you here, defer it to outside the old org's meeting ... ;-) | |
| 20:21 | MrBIOS | I move that we approve payment of bill sl-2019-10-1 in the amount of $2,338 for legal services already rendered, to Kyle Mitchell. |
| 20:21 | walterbender | seconded |
| 20:21 | llaske | +1 |
| 20:21 | samsong | +1 |
| 20:21 | Claudia_ | +1 |
| 20:21 | walterbender | +1 |
| 20:21 | MrBIOS | that settles that then, he should be paid Friday/Monday. |
| 20:21 | Quozl | abstain, i'm not in the org. carried. will write up. |
| 20:22 | #agreed Motion 2019-28; pay bill SL-2019-10-1 in the amount $2338 for legal services rendered by Kyle Mitchell. | |
| 20:23 | any other topics? | |
| 20:23 | MrBIOS | I would like to address the release processes for new Sugar Labs releases, if we can. |
| 20:23 | walterbender | I have a related topic... |
| 20:24 | samsong | I met with Peter Robinson |
| 20:24 | Some days back in France | |
| 20:25 | Quozl | #topic release processes |
| 20:25 | MrBIOS | Currently, we are at release 0.116, which is technically an unstable release. I propose we release 0.117 ASAP, and would like to propose it be Sugar version 1.0, unless there is a technical reason for why that’s not possible. |
| 20:25 | Quozl | go ahead. |
| 20:25 | why is 0.116 a technically unstable release? | |
| 20:25 | walterbender | finally... |
| 20:26 | llaske | +1 MrBIOS ! |
| 20:26 | MrBIOS | Also, all of the releases since 0.112 have not followed the same release documentation process on the wiki, and I would like to return to that practice. |
| 20:26 | See https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.112 | |
| 20:27 | if we need to conscript a new wiki team person to work on documentation, let’s do it | |
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| 20:27 | Quozl | welcome, devin. |
| 20:27 | MrBIOS | the page at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]ment_Team/Release still says 0.114 is an “upcoming release” for instance. |
| 20:27 | and there is no wiki page for 0.114, or 0.116 | |
| 20:27 | pikurasa | hi |
| 20:28 | MrBIOS | hi pikurasa, the current topic of discussion is the Sugar release process. I just said “Currently, we are at release 0.116, which is technically an unstable release. I propose we release 0.117 ASAP, and would like to propose it be Sugar version 1.0, unless there is a technical reason for why that’s not possible.” |
| 20:28 | Quozl: in our versioning system, odd numbered releases were development releases. | |
| 20:29 | that decision is as old as Sugar Labs is | |
| 20:29 | Quozl | so there are two elements to this; a dislike of version numbers, and despite the wiki being de-emphasised in favour of github, we're now wanting to bring it back? |
| 20:29 | MrBIOS | and we obviously had nothing to do with it |
| 20:30 | FreddieNGCI | Hi 👋 |
| 20:30 | pikurasa | I do not want to get myself between developers and their versioning preferences :o |
| 20:30 | MrBIOS | I think there may be a mis-understanding about to what extent the wiki being “de-emphasized” was an official policy, but I wasn’t on the board when that particular decision was made. |
| 20:31 | but it’s subject to reasonable debate. | |
| 20:31 | Quozl | do go on. |
| 20:31 | MrBIOS | I don’t believe there was ever agreement that the wiki should just be left to rot forever, correct me if I am wrong other SLOBs |
| 20:33 | eohomegrownapps | hi |
| 20:34 | Quozl | welcome visitors FreddieNGCI and eohomegrownapps. |
| 20:34 | Claudia_ | welcome |
| 20:34 | satellit | any ideas about the retirement of python 2...do we request it not disappear? |
| 20:34 | eohomegrownapps | (do let me know if there is any progress / updates regarding the England group / music project) |
| 20:34 | FreddieNGCI | +1 |
| 20:34 | eohomegrownapps | hi Quozl |
| 20:35 | llaske | Hi FreddieNGCI and eohomegrownapps |
| 20:35 | MrBIOS | satellit: that will happen in Fedora 32 unless we specifically request an exemption, but the question is, do we need to do that? I don’t think we do at this point, we have Sugar working with Python 3, as of 0.116 |
| 20:35 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps, I reached out to them... Claudia_ has more recent news. |
| 20:35 | Quozl | 0.116 was released as unstable because we were asked to facilitate that by peter, but he ended up not using it. |
| 20:35 | walterbender | F31 python command is Python 3 :) |
| 20:35 | pikurasa | you can record me as a +! on http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]9:58:11#i_2970170 |
| 20:35 | *+1 | |
| 20:35 | satellit | ok just asking (fedora-qa) |
| 20:35 | FreddieNGCI | Hi llaske |
| 20:36 | eohomegrownapps | hi llaske |
| 20:36 | Quozl | welcome visitor satellit. |
| 20:37 | MrBIOS | As part of the re-birth of Sugar Labs, I would like to move that we release Sugar version 1.0 (or 0.117), derived from 0.116 with any important but trivial fixes that may or may not have been released since 0.116 was, which was made back on September 4th. I realize this is largely a formality, but I still think it should happen. |
| 20:37 | walterbender | good marketing possibilities |
| 20:37 | MrBIOS | then, we can get 0.117 packaged for Fedora 32, which is actively being worked on now, with F31 having been shipped a couple of weeks ago. |
| 20:37 | satellit | +1 |
| 20:38 | Quozl | satellit: python org has withdrawn support for python 2 at a future date, and the only people willing to support it are doing so commercially, so there's no opportunity for cheap projects like fedora to purchase that support. philosophical objection to paying for software when the org relies on open source licenses. |
| 20:39 | MrBIOS | As a reminder, Python 2.7 will not be maintained past January 2020, in other words, less than two months from now. it is End-of-Lifed by the Python Software Foundation |
| 20:39 | all versions of Sugar prior to 0.116 were written in Python 2. | |
| 20:40 | samsong | I agree with MrBIOS, I think we should approach the v1 as a rebirth |
| 20:40 | Quozl | 98% of activities are written in python 2, so this is really the end of sugar unless paid support is available. |
| 20:40 | walterbender | GCI kids can do that |
| 20:40 | MrBIOS | walterbender: exactly. That’s where we need to focus next, porting all remaining packaged (by Fedora, and then even more broadly) activities to Python 3. |
| 20:40 | Quozl | no, they can't. |
| 20:41 | walterbender | why not? |
| 20:41 | MrBIOS | Quozl: some of them probably can. |
| 20:41 | walterbender | we need to document the process... it cannot be so difficult |
| 20:41 | Quozl | it is documented. |
| 20:41 | i just don't think they can or will do it. | |
| 20:42 | MrBIOS | Quozl: is there a list of our core activities which are _not_ ported to python3 yet? |
| 20:42 | walterbender | then if it is beyond the likes of eohomegrownapps we have a real problem |
| 20:42 | MrBIOS | if not, how difficult would it be to come up with one? |
| 20:42 | walterbender | Quozl, they have done it in the past and we can focus on it this year. |
| 20:42 | Quozl | i very much doubt anything will be done. |
| 20:43 | satellit | fyi on wiki: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_32 |
| 20:43 | MrBIOS | noted, but I would also like to say I think you’re being overly pessismistic. |
| 20:43 | walterbender | I will make it my goal to surprise you |
| 20:44 | Quozl | making lists doesn't achieve anything. search the code for "import gtk" is enough to find the gtk 2 activities, and search for "sugar-activity " is enough to find the python 2 activities. |
| 20:44 | FreddieNGCI | Quozl last year I believe Alejandro, who was a GCI student, did a lot of porting work with GTK |
| 20:45 | walterbender | yes... |
| 20:45 | pikurasa | My son is throwing up again and I need to go to the store to buy some stuff |
| 20:45 | I trust you will work out release numbers | |
| 20:45 | eohomegrownapps | I think it's doable by dedicated GCI students |
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| 20:45 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps, we'll make it happen |
| 20:46 | MrBIOS | Is anyone here _opposed_ to releaseing “v1.0” of Sugar (python3)? Quozl? |
| 20:46 | Claudia_ | how many activities? |
| 20:46 | Quozl | MrBIOS: i think it is a waste of effort to increment a release number when there's nothing materially different. sugar has wasted away with the lack of developers over the last few years. |
| 20:46 | eohomegrownapps | (on a similar note, another thing I was thinking is that it might be nice to refactor / clean up some of the larger js files in Music Blocks - could be a task series) |
| 20:48 | walterbender | +1 |
| 20:48 | MrBIOS | Quozl: I can understand how you would perceive this as “busy work” or hand-waving or whatever, however I don’t think it’s a waste. It’s simply adhering to the release process that Sugar Labs has always had. 0.116 is an unstable release. |
| 20:48 | Quozl | i don't like fabricating release numbers. it's too much like marketing. |
| 20:49 | walterbender | I was thinking we should adopt more of a model/view approach <-- eohomegrownapps |
| 20:49 | llaske | In my opinion, v1.0 is just a marketing decision. Sean Daly (from the old marketing team) told us several times in the past |
| 20:49 | MrBIOS | Quozl: we have to do _more_ marketing, not less, if we want Sugar Labs to survive. |
| 20:49 | llaske: I don’t disagree, but “python 3 support” seems as reasonable a place to make the cut as any other. | |
| 20:50 | eohomegrownapps | walterbender, +1 |
| 20:50 | walterbender | here is a "marketing/Python3" idealet |
| 20:50 | I just did a fresh install of F31 | |
| 20:51 | in the process I saw the Linux "App Store" | |
| 20:51 | the edu section is nice but we could load it up with Stand-alone Sugar apps. | |
| 20:51 | eohomegrownapps | (part of the task could be investigating / comparing the merits of different design patterns, a worthwhile activity in itself) |
| 20:52 | MrBIOS | walterbender: yep we could, and I’ve had the same thought, but there may be technical reasons why that may be difficult or impossible. |
| 20:52 | walterbender | Lots run independent of Sugar and we could polish that up |
| 20:52 | MrBIOS | good point |
| 20:52 | Quozl | martin has been doing flatpak work. |
| 20:52 | MrBIOS | Quozl: cool. |
| 20:52 | walterbender | I think again, if we document the process well, GCI could be a resource. |
| 20:53 | and it would reflect well if all the best apps in the app store are Sugar apps... | |
| 20:53 | satellit | any way to get a flatpack of sugar with python 2 in soas ? (silverblue) |
| 20:54 | walterbender | no se |
| 20:54 | satellit | https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]ora_32#Silverblue |
| 20:54 | like endless os | |
| 20:54 | walterbender | yes |
| 20:54 | MrBIOS | the amount of time we have to do anything for F32 is measured in days, weeks, max. |
| 20:55 | walterbender | some endless (and former endless) people have been helping |
| 20:55 | satellit | +1 |
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| 20:55 | walterbender | F32 should be small and stable |
| 20:55 | MrBIOS | guys, we’ve gotten way off track here. |
| 20:56 | Quozl | i've a meeting at 21 UTC, so i'm about to pull out. |
| 20:56 | walterbender | MrBIOS, what specific work needs to be done? |
| 20:56 | MrBIOS | llaske: we don’t have a functional marketing team, so it’s up to us to decide whether Python 3 support = Sugar 1.0 |
| 20:56 | apathy or indecision n the matter isn’t helpful | |
| 20:56 | on | |
| 20:56 | Quozl: ck | |
| 20:56 | ack | |
| 20:57 | walterbender | I think a solid Python-3 only Sugar for F32 (my preference to call it 1.0) is the way to go |
| 20:57 | llaske | MrBIOS: It's why I think If we decide to release Sugar 1.0, we don't have to wait for a specific feature |
| 20:57 | walterbender | what needs to happen to make that happen? |
| 20:58 | MrBIOS | basically Quozl has to tag and release it, or someone else can, but I’m not sure anyone is trained to do so. I could certainly try, but I’d rather not when it’s fairly low effort, but I’m not the master of James’ time :) |
| 20:59 | as a matter of process, we should definitely have another person trained who is capable of making releases. The bus factor here is high. | |
| 20:59 | walterbender | the tagging is easy enough |
| 20:59 | bus factor? buzz? | |
| 21:00 | MrBIOS | bus factor as in, what happens if $person were to get hit by a bus. It’s a “business continuity” issue |
| 21:00 | what organizational/institutional knowledge would we lose? | |
| 21:01 | walterbender | oh. that bus... |
| 21:01 | I know how to make a release on GH but don't know how to hand it off to Fedora | |
| 21:02 | MrBIOS | that’s a different (packaging) problem, not actually related to “making a release" |
| 21:02 | satellit | peter robinson ? |
| 21:03 | MrBIOS | yes, currently, though he has voiced waning interest in continuing to be the packager for Sugar, and I think we should try to take it over, if we want SoaS to live. |
| 21:03 | Quozl | if you're successful in finding a way around me, then you don't need me, so that's good for me. |
| 21:03 | MrBIOS | Quozl: if it’s not too much to ask, we would be appreciative if you would do it, simply because it’s probably the easiest for you to do. |
| 21:03 | but if you don’t have the time, that’s completely understandable. | |
| 21:04 | Quozl | but do what? where's the plan? |
| 21:04 | MrBIOS | make a stable release, based on 0.116, versioned as 1.0. That’s literally it. |
| 21:05 | Quozl | what a waste. |
| 21:05 | MrBIOS | personally, I would like to see Sugar Labs be responsible for building Sugar rpms and .debs ,moving forward, but obviously that requires a commitment of resources. |
| 21:06 | Quozl | i don't think 0.116 is good enough. |
| 21:06 | MrBIOS | okay, let’s discuss that then, specifically. I want to know why. I understand you have to go for now |
| 21:06 | Quozl | my other meeting seems to be delayed. it could begin at any time. |
| 21:06 | MrBIOS | okay. I’m all ears then. |
| 21:07 | Quozl | mainly it isn't good enough because rahul and aniket's port was tentative and automated, and there was no test coverage other than "does it start?" |
| 21:07 | MrBIOS | Let me ask you this…compared to, say, 0.114, or 0.112, do you consider 0.116 inferior, quality-wise? |
| 21:08 | Quozl | yes, 0.116 is inferior to 0.114, due to the python 3 port. |
| 21:09 | MrBIOS | it does not appear to suffer from any major operating flaws, compared to 0.114, in the testing I’ve done |
| 21:09 | walterbender | What specifically do we need to do to improve that port? |
| 21:09 | Quozl | you did testing? i didn't know. did you use python-coverage? |
| 21:10 | MrBIOS | I did not use python-coverage, I tested your ISO. obviously activity compatibility is the biggest big-picture issue. |
| 21:10 | but that can be worked through with subsequent releases. | |
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| 21:11 | pikurasa | I am back and read log |
| 21:12 | Quozl | we're over our allocated time. i'm not sure if it is the will of the meeting to continue this discussion. |
| 21:12 | MrBIOS | I’m not sure either. I’d be happy to test 0.116 with python-coverage if there’s a tutorial on how to do so. |
| 21:12 | walterbender | we can end the meeting and then continue the discussion |
| 21:13 | pikurasa | walterbender: That sounds good. |
| 21:13 | Quozl | all in favour of ending the formal meeting? |
| 21:13 | +1 | |
| 21:13 | MrBIOS | +1 |
| 21:13 | walterbender | +1 |
| 21:13 | samsong | +1 |
| 21:13 | llaske | +1 |
| 21:13 | Claudia_ | +1 |
| 21:13 | pikurasa | If anyone wants my perspective as a total novice, feel free to ask. |
| 21:13 | Quozl | #endmeeting |
| 21:13 | MrBIOS | pikurasa: please :) |
| 21:13 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Nov 6 21:13:36 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:13 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T19:58:11.html | |
| 21:13 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]19-11-06T19:58:11 | |
| 21:14 | pikurasa | Walking back, after getting Kai's Apple Juice (all he can drink right now), I thought... |
| 21:14 | what if we Apple just released an iPhone 0.116? | |
| 21:14 | It sounds unfinished | |
| 21:15 | MrBIOS | the Apple fanboys would probably want to play with it, but I agree. |
| 21:15 | pikurasa | It would be nice to get to a 1.0 |
| 21:16 | I mean Sugar is suppose to be a little unfinished, but... to some people it signals that it is not ready to be used | |
| 21:16 | MrBIOS | samsong: would you mind sharing more about your discussion with Peter Robinson? |
| 21:17 | Peter Robinson is primarily focused on ARM-related Fedora stuff these days, and has very little interest and/or time for maintaining Sugar packages for Fedora any longer. It’s a thankless job, and he’s been doing it a long time. | |
| 21:18 | pikurasa | Also, I was confused with the number when I first saw it. It looks like a low number -- now version 116, but more like "9 more years until version 1" |
| 21:18 | ok, those are my two cents | |
| 21:19 | MrBIOS | we could also release version 1.16 ;) |
| 21:19 | pikurasa | My son is ordering me to sit with him |
| 21:19 | MrBIOS | 1.17 rather |
| 21:19 | better follow orders then :) | |
| 21:19 | pikurasa | Thank you for all your work, everyone! |
| 21:19 | Quozl | Peter doesn't even test what he writes, he's that short of time. |
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| 21:20 | MrBIOS | Quozl: I am aware, and while I appreciate the time he does give us, it’s a problem, and I would like to see it fixed. it’s within our power to do so. We have members of the community who are capable of doing this type of work. |
| 21:20 | Quozl | MrBIOS: doubt if anybody is standing in the way, except for Peter. |
| 21:20 | MrBIOS | I think it would also make sense to pay someone competent to set up a CI test environment for Sugar. |
| 21:21 | samsong | I met him briefly, he mentioned he is interested in mentoring someone from the community |
| 21:21 | satellit | as usual I am available as a tester only... |
| 21:21 | samsong | That we will soon drop support for Sugar, I think he mentioned December or January |
| 21:21 | Quozl | satellit: did you test sugar live build? |
| 21:21 | samsong | *he |
| 21:22 | satellit | I have been testing the rawhide and f31 builds in kogi |
| 21:22 | MrBIOS | The current Fedora rawhide (will become F31) ISO can be downloaded at https://dl.fedoraproject.org/p[…]-20191106.n.0.iso |
| 21:23 | samsong | The main conversation was around his timing, and how some people in the SL community is unresponsive |
| 21:23 | satellit | also the remixes of f31 |
| 21:23 | MrBIOS | and https://dl.fedoraproject.org/p[…]06.n.0-sda.raw.xz for RPi3 |
| 21:23 | samsong | He also mentioned you and him was supposed to work on something. |
| 21:24 | MrBIOS | samsong: yep, I’m one of those people who is frankly contributing to the problem, due to lack of time and personal family issues. |
| 21:24 | satellit | I have a rpi3b+ and rpi4 4 gb and test releases in fedora |
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| 21:25 | samsong | So I told him Ibiam is interested, and he said, he is interested to work with Ibiam or anyone within the community. |
| 21:26 | MrBIOS | yes, I was thinking Ibiam specifically as well. He is a good candidate, provided he is interested and willing to spend the time on it |
| 21:26 | satellit | respins here f30 and f31: https://drive.google.com/drive[…]PI7QYjDFuWelLm6ov |
| 21:26 | Quozl | well, i think sugar live build is worth doing, because we don't have to stuff around with all that fedora process, so i'll keep doing it even if nobody wants to test it. |
| 21:27 | satellit | thanks |
| 21:28 | Quozl | at least sugar live build is _tested_ before releasing. same can't be said for fedora. |
| 21:29 | satellit | Quozl: link for live build? |
| 21:29 | samsong | walterbender, I had a chat with the GM of Open Source Initiative with Perrie while at OSSUmmit. He mentioned there is a school using Sugar. |
| 21:30 | Somewhere in DC or New York, I can't remember the city | |
| 21:30 | Quozl | https://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22sugar+live+build%22&s=g |
| 21:30 | satellit | thanks |
| 21:34 | MrBIOS | samsong: if it’s DC, the high school instrutor we met at PyCon 2019 may know the people involved. |
| 21:35 | he’s from northern Virginia, just across the river from DC> | |
| 21:35 | samsong | I will track the person down. |
| 21:39 | satellit | Quozl added ref to live build to wiki (f32) |
| 21:40 | walterbender | jeff patmore? |
| 21:41 | satellit | https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]#Sugar_live_build |
| 21:43 | Quozl | satellit: why? it has nothing to do with fedora 32. |
| 21:46 | satellit | just so I can find it...:/ |
| 21:46 | have to go afk...thanks all | |
| 21:50 | samsong | Michelle McColgan |
| 21:51 | FLOSS Desktops For kids project | |
| 21:51 | Heard of it | |
| 21:51 | ? | |
| 21:51 | MrBIOS | nope, never, but that’s hardly surprising |
| 21:52 | samsong | I think we should work with her, she has done some Research, lesson plans. |
| 21:52 | MrBIOS | you met Michelle? Was she aware of Sugar Labs? |
| 21:52 | samsong | I met with Patrick from OSI, OSI support the FLOSS Desktop |
| 21:52 | Michelle runs the program in a school | |
| 21:58 | MrBIOS | ok. This is her, https://www.siena.edu/faculty-[…]michele-mccolgan/ |
| 21:59 | I doubt there are two women by the same name at the same university :) | |
| 22:10 | samsong | Yes that her |
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