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| 19:02 | MrBIOS | hey folks |
| 19:03 | looks around | |
| 19:06 | walterbender: ping | |
| 19:06 | Quozl: ping | |
| 19:06 | Quozl | hello. |
| 19:07 | MrBIOS: pong. | |
| 19:07 | MrBIOS | g’day, you still melting? |
| 19:07 | did we move the meeting time?? | |
| 19:08 | Quozl | we moved the meeting time for the march meeting, but not for the february meeting. |
| 19:08 | MrBIOS | right |
| 19:08 | okay, I am not mis-remembering | |
| 19:08 | Quozl | my understanding is that today's meeting is in about 50 minutes. |
| 19:08 | phew. ;-) | |
| 19:08 | as for the melting, we had our first cool night for about a month. | |
| 19:08 | MrBIOS | ah, for some reason I’d put it in my calendar for an hour earlier :) |
| 19:09 | well that’s good to hear | |
| 19:09 | Quozl | cool as in 23C ;-) |
| 19:09 | MrBIOS | hey, it’s a start :) |
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| 19:27 | ifeanyi_ | Hi |
| 19:29 | GrannieB | Hi |
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| 19:51 | Quozl | pikurasa: hi. |
| 19:55 | pikurasa | hi Quozl |
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| 19:59 | GrannieB | Hi Samson |
| 19:59 | llaske | Hi all |
| 19:59 | Quozl | g'day. |
| 19:59 | GrannieB | Hi Lionel1 |
| 19:59 | Quozl | walterbender: you here? |
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| 20:00 | Quozl | callaurrea: hello! |
| 20:00 | samsongoddy | Hello |
| 20:01 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 20:01 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Feb 1 20:01:00 2019 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 20:01 | samsongoddy | GrannieB, you made it |
| 20:01 | callaurrea | Hello Quozl |
| 20:01 | Quozl | i see we have james, alex, devin, samson, claudia, lionel. |
| 20:01 | GrannieB | yep |
| 20:01 | callaurrea | Hi Everyone |
| 20:01 | ifeanyi_ | Hello all |
| 20:01 | callaurrea | I may need to leave early... I am in a meeting with Save the Children |
| 20:01 | Quozl | welcome to visitors ifeanyi_ and GrannieB. |
| 20:01 | walterbender | hi |
| 20:01 | Quozl | callaurrea: okay. |
| 20:01 | okay, we have everyone. | |
| 20:01 | #topic agenda | |
| 20:02 | briefly we have today; formally receive those reports, and discuss goals. any other agenda items to add? | |
| 20:02 | GrannieB | SCaLE 17X |
| 20:02 | samsongoddy | #Marketing update |
| 20:03 | MrBIOS | yes, SCALE 17x attendance and recruiting efforts there |
| 20:03 | Quozl | MrBIOS: thanks. samsongoddy: thanks. |
| 20:03 | callaurrea | thanks for the report! |
| 20:03 | Quozl | so our agenda is receive reports, marketing update, scale 17x, and discuss goals. moving on ... |
| 20:03 | #topic receive reports | |
| 20:03 | pikurasa | #Remake-music-LLC |
| 20:04 | Please add ^ | |
| 20:04 | Quozl | we have reports from membership and elections committee, and gci. |
| 20:04 | pikurasa | thanks! |
| 20:04 | Quozl | pikurasa: thanks, added. |
| 20:04 | Motion: we formally receive the reports from Membership and Elections Committee, Google Code-in project team (motion 2018-08). | |
| 20:04 | any seconder and discussion? | |
| 20:05 | (revised agenda, receive reports, remake music, marketing update, scale 17x, and discuss goals). | |
| 20:06 | walterbender | seconded |
| 20:06 | Quozl | thanks, i liked the reports, they kept us informed and showed good results. i've nothing further to add. i call for votes or discussion. |
| 20:07 | MrBIOS | I would also like to note that just over 36% of the "participants" actually seem to have in a substantive way, and I do not understand what constitutes “participation” |
| 20:08 | since the report states that 674 students participated. In what way did they participate, if they didn’t actually complete a task? | |
| 20:08 | walterbender | MrBIOS, that is not atypical |
| 20:08 | MrBIOS | walterbender: I don’t doubt that, I’m just curious to unpack it a bit |
| 20:08 | walterbender | there is a long tail |
| 20:08 | a lot of schools force kids to participate | |
| 20:08 | Quozl | MrBIOS: my understanding is that participation is that registered by google's systems, not ours. |
| 20:08 | walterbender | and those kids tend to shop around for minimal work |
| 20:08 | MrBIOS | right, I guess I take issue with the term “participation” to mean ‘registration' |
| 20:09 | walterbender | it is not just registration |
| 20:09 | all of the 600+ at some point chose a Sugar Labs task | |
| 20:09 | MrBIOS | okay, I am 100% unfamiliar with what the process actually looks like, which is why I’m asking these questions |
| 20:09 | walterbender | but they may not have completed it |
| 20:09 | or may not have submitted their work | |
| 20:09 | lots of scenarios | |
| 20:10 | MrBIOS | is there any way to export data out of the GCI web interface for us to examine the level of “participation”? |
| 20:10 | walterbender | Yes. I am doing that (as I do every year) |
| 20:10 | MrBIOS | does it have to be done manually, or is there some way to export in some sort of structured way? |
| 20:10 | walterbender | but I cannot make it public due to Google privacy concerns |
| 20:10 | these days there is an easy mechanism for export into JSON | |
| 20:11 | I just haven't gotten to it yet. | |
| 20:11 | pikurasa | Just FYI: From Google --> "GCI 2018: Site will be archived Feb 20th - be sure to download task data before then" |
| 20:11 | Quozl | as organisation board members, you have right to access the information from google, even if you can't publish it here or on mailing lists. thanks, good questions and answers; but can we move on to vote now? |
| 20:11 | walterbender | +1 |
| 20:11 | MrBIOS | understood, perhaps we could anonymize the data exported, since I’m not really concerned with the names or contact information of the participants, nor is it necessary for this kind of investigation |
| 20:11 | walterbender | (to the motion) |
| 20:11 | llaske | +1 |
| 20:11 | pikurasa | +1 |
| 20:11 | callaurrea | +1 |
| 20:11 | MrBIOS | +1 |
| 20:12 | Quozl | thanks. |
| 20:12 | samsongoddy | +1 |
| 20:12 | walterbender | MrBIOS, I will see what I can do and certainly can work with you to formulate queries against the data |
| 20:12 | Quozl | #agreed Motion 2019-05: we formally receive the reports from Membership and Elections Committee, Google Code-in project team (motion 2018-08). |
| 20:12 | #topic Remake Music | |
| 20:12 | pikurasa: go ahead. | |
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| 20:12 | Quozl | welcome perrie as a visitor. |
| 20:13 | pikurasa | I just sent an email to the SLOB's list. It would be helpful to read it as it has more detail than I can put here. |
| 20:13 | GrannieB | Hi Perrie... we need to have a chat! |
| 20:13 | pikurasa | but the gist is that Walter and I made an LLC to provide professional teaching services and support to teachers and schools for utilizing MB in the classroom. |
| 20:14 | callaurrea | What is the name, musicblocks? |
| 20:14 | Quozl | i've read it. i've review the conflict of interest forms privately. i've no questions, it all seems in order. |
| 20:14 | pikurasa | It is a for-profit corp. We just signed a "conflict of interest" from SFC to disclose this. |
| 20:14 | Quozl | callaurrea: the name is Remake Music LLC. |
| 20:14 | perrie | most definitely GrannieB, been a while |
| 20:14 | pikurasa | Yes, Remake Music, LLC |
| 20:15 | callaurrea | great |
| 20:15 | pikurasa | We have not received funds other than our own initial investments (Walter and myself), so we are telling the group early in the process. We do not know exactly where we will take this, but have hope. |
| 20:15 | callaurrea | thannks |
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| 20:16 | Quozl | Motion: we formally receive report on and notification of conflict of interest with respect to Remake Music LLC. |
| 20:16 | ibiam | Hi |
| 20:16 | Quozl | welcome visitor ibiam. |
| 20:16 | llaske | Seconded |
| 20:16 | Quozl | can i have votes please? or further questions for devin and walter. |
| 20:17 | samsongoddy | +1 |
| 20:17 | walterbender | should probably recuse himself |
| 20:17 | ifeanyi_ | +1 |
| 20:17 | llaske | +1 |
| 20:17 | pikurasa | One thing we mention is that we will recuse ourselves from voting on matters involving MB |
| 20:17 | ...therefore, I will recuse myself as well. | |
| 20:17 | Quozl | sure, if you like, but i think no need to recuse, as it's not a matter you have a conflict of interest with; the receiving report on and notification of coi. |
| 20:18 | callaurrea | What is the motion? |
| 20:18 | Quozl | Motion: we formally receive report on and notification of conflict of interest with respect to Remake Music LLC. |
| 20:18 | MrBIOS | seconded |
| 20:18 | ibiam | LLC? |
| 20:18 | pikurasa | Limited Liability Coporation |
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| 20:19 | Quozl | #agreed Motion 2019-06: we formally receive report on and notification of conflict of interest with respect to Remake Music LLC. |
| 20:19 | seconded | |
| 20:19 | welcome visitor iqra. | |
| 20:19 | walterbender | corporation :P |
| 20:19 | ibiam | Got it |
| 20:19 | pikurasa | thanks. too much typing today |
| 20:19 | Quozl | #topic Marketing Update |
| 20:19 | samsongoddy: go ahead. | |
| 20:19 | samsongoddy | Thanks |
| 20:20 | I have been working on reaching out to schools, makers club | |
| 20:20 | and Also further plans for marketing for SL in 2019 | |
| 20:20 | Which going to be reflecting on the goals for 2019 | |
| 20:21 | MrBIOS | presumably the 2018 goals have not really changed for 2019? :) |
| 20:21 | samsongoddy | I have sent in overview of the marketing plan to SLOBS, I am yet to receive comment on it |
| 20:21 | MrBIOS: Well Yeah | |
| 20:21 | I am guess that since we didn't do much in 2018 regarding goals, I am working on what was stated in 2018 for 2019 | |
| 20:21 | Quozl | samsongoddy: we have some draft goals for 2018, but we don't have an agreement on goals for 2019, as far as i am aware. yes, i've received some plan-like things, but i admit to being mostly confused by them. |
| 20:22 | samsongoddy | You mean what i sent? or the wiki? |
| 20:22 | MrBIOS | correct, all we have for goals are what I cobbled together and put on the wiki. There has been zero formal agreement on anything there. |
| 20:22 | GrannieB | Maybe the marketing Committee needs to meet? |
| 20:22 | walterbender | samsongoddy, we have discussed some of your document. I'll try to help you clarify it perhaps over the weekend |
| 20:22 | Quozl | GrannieB: thanks, but we don't have a marketing committee. |
| 20:22 | MrBIOS | it’s just collective brainstorming |
| 20:22 | Quozl: err | |
| 20:22 | samsongoddy | I am personally reached out to folks that stated some plans |
| 20:23 | Quozl | GrannieB: at the moment, the board is responsible for marketing, and samson has been concentrating on it, with volunteers. |
| 20:23 | samsongoddy | like for Example the Educational team |
| 20:23 | GrannieB | Maybe you should have a marketing team. I know several people expressed interest in working on one |
| 20:23 | callaurrea | I attended one meeting |
| 20:23 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: that’s great, what came of those interactions |
| 20:23 | callaurrea | It is hard to join every week, but we should arrive to some goals and actions |
| 20:24 | samsongoddy | Yes, so I plan to reach out to more folks |
| 20:24 | Quozl | GrannieB: there is a team, there are volunteers, just that it isn't a committee of the board. i'm chair, so i have to say that. there's a difference, mostly procedural. |
| 20:24 | GrannieB | Jaskirat was interested in helping |
| 20:24 | samsongoddy | to make sure that the plans still make sense |
| 20:24 | ifeanyi_ | Quozl: don't you think changing that would help hasten the process and reduce the headaches for the board? |
| 20:24 | Quozl | ifeanyi_: no. |
| 20:24 | samsongoddy | Alot of folks are interested but spend less time helping |
| 20:25 | So I am currently seeing if I need anyone to help me on what I am doing. | |
| 20:25 | Quozl | ifeanyi_: because even if we did make a committee, we don't eliminate the board's responsibility altogether. samsongoddy: yes, i agree. lots of interest, but mostly you doing it. |
| 20:26 | ifeanyi_ | Quozl: The board can play the supervisory role |
| 20:26 | samsongoddy | So I am assuming that 2018 ideas are going to be in 2019 |
| 20:26 | Quozl | any further discussion on marketing update? |
| 20:26 | ifeanyi_: we are. | |
| 20:26 | samsongoddy | So that is what I am focusing |
| 20:26 | GrannieB | Yes... the board needs to have the final say on all "team" or committee things |
| 20:26 | samsongoddy | A school is deploying Sugar |
| 20:26 | Right now in Port Harcourt | |
| 20:26 | GrannieB | What machines? |
| 20:27 | samsongoddy | Desktops |
| 20:27 | Quozl | GrannieB: no, we don't have to have the final say on non-committee teams, they can mostly do what they like, and they do. |
| 20:27 | samsongoddy | Soas |
| 20:27 | GrannieB | great! |
| 20:27 | samsongoddy | orgs are currently using TB and MB |
| 20:27 | pikurasa | BTW, I have noticed more contributors from Port Harcourt for MB |
| 20:27 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 20:27 | Quozl | that's good (more contributors). |
| 20:27 | samsongoddy | That is part of the outreach |
| 20:27 | pikurasa | So, evidence of progress |
| 20:28 | MrBIOS | samson, that’s great, we would love to know more detail. Is there someone at the school that is primarily responsible for the deployment there? |
| 20:28 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 20:28 | I am | |
| 20:28 | with Ibiam | |
| 20:28 | And the computer science teacher | |
| 20:28 | walterbender | FWIW, I have been in continued discussions with the Kano team and they are gearing up to set up a workshop series... |
| 20:28 | Sugar on the desktop | |
| 20:28 | samsongoddy | So Nigeria is almost covered |
| 20:29 | I am planning to replicate what I am doing to other countries | |
| 20:29 | But will need things to be in place like Educational team | |
| 20:29 | ifeanyi_ | What if the marketing is also decentralised and localised. Maybe a team of 3 for each county or so for better progress reports. |
| 20:29 | samsongoddy | Especially in countries like UK |
| 20:29 | I will keep the community updated | |
| 20:30 | and the board updated on policies and funds | |
| 20:30 | if needed | |
| 20:30 | Quozl | ifeanyi_: we don't have enough interested people to split the marketing team further. |
| 20:30 | samsongoddy | I think I am done |
| 20:30 | walterbender | Things are picking up in BR lately too :) |
| 20:30 | Quozl | samsongoddy: thanks. others; any questions? |
| 20:30 | walterbender: what is BR? | |
| 20:30 | samsongoddy | BR? |
| 20:30 | ifeanyi_ | Nice job so far @samsongoddy |
| 20:30 | walterbender | Brazil |
| 20:30 | samsongoddy | Oh nice |
| 20:30 | Quozl | walterbender: thanks. |
| 20:30 | any further questions for samsongoddy? | |
| 20:31 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: which languages do the particular students at this school primarily speak? |
| 20:31 | just curious | |
| 20:31 | Quozl | #topic SCALE 17x |
| 20:31 | MrBIOS: go ahead. | |
| 20:31 | samsongoddy | English |
| 20:31 | and maybe Pidgin | |
| 20:31 | MrBIOS | Thanks. We can take that discussion offline |
| 20:31 | samsongoddy | Great |
| 20:31 | MrBIOS | First off, is anyone here unfamiliar with what the SCaLE conference is? |
| 20:31 | walterbender | MrBIOS, do you need me to ship the standing poster? where? when? |
| 20:32 | GrannieB | SCaLE is March 7-10 in Pasadena |
| 20:32 | samsongoddy | I think I have an Idea about it |
| 20:32 | GrannieB | We have a Free "dot.org" booth |
| 20:32 | callaurrea | I don't know about the conference |
| 20:32 | MrBIOS | It is important to note that it’s a bit different, and, while it’s rather large, it is volunteeer organized and run |
| 20:32 | GrannieB | It is in Pasadena |
| 20:32 | ifeanyi_ | Would like to know, I'm lost .... |
| 20:32 | MrBIOS | It’s in its seventeenth year: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/17x |
| 20:32 | Quozl | it's a geographical conference, local to california. |
| 20:32 | GrannieB | Why don't you come out for it? |
| 20:33 | MrBIOS | Quozl: yes local to but people from all over the world do attend |
| 20:33 | Quozl | yes, as do people attend linux.conf.au |
| 20:33 | GrannieB | It is one of the largest open source conference in the world |
| 20:33 | Quozl | so, it's another linux and open source conference. |
| 20:34 | MrBIOS | correct, and due to its low cost, being volunteer-run, it is a lot more accessible than most Linux conferences, which cost at least $200-300 USD |
| 20:34 | GrannieB | Here's a link to their website https://docs.google.com/docume[…]/edit?usp=sharing |
| 20:34 | ibiam | GrannieB, is it just you and MrBIOS who would be attending? |
| 20:35 | Quozl | yes, i'm familiar with volunteer run linux conferences, that's what linux.conf.au is. |
| 20:35 | GrannieB | But the hotel is very expensive... $189/nite for a double |
| 20:35 | and they are out of rooms at that "discounted rate" | |
| 20:35 | samsongoddy | California effect |
| 20:35 | MrBIOS | ibiam: my wife, who is a first grade teacher here in California, will also attend. |
| 20:36 | GrannieB | This conference gets all the biggies there... facebook, google, disney, oracle, etc. |
| 20:36 | ibiam | MrBIOS, great |
| 20:36 | MrBIOS | I intend to have a handful of OLPC XO-1 laptops on display (this gets people to come talk to us), as well as a tablet running Sugarizer. |
| 20:37 | GrannieB | Plus a lot of non profits... So Cal Astronomical Society for example |
| 20:37 | samsongoddy | Nice |
| 20:37 | walterbender | MrBIOS, be nice to show Sugar on RPi too |
| 20:37 | MrBIOS | walterbender: we can certainly do that, I have the necessary hardware. |
| 20:37 | Quozl | MrBIOS: fedora soas is best for rpi. |
| 20:37 | MrBIOS | yep |
| 20:37 | GrannieB | We need people to help with the booth, a banner (Walter has one he said he can lend... but maybe we should get a new one... there is time] |
| 20:38 | callaurrea | is there an opportunity for a workshop? |
| 20:38 | GrannieB | They are looking for hands-on activities. But they wouldn't be listed in the program |
| 20:38 | MrBIOS | callaurrea: at this point, not really, since that requires too much planning for the timeframe we have. |
| 20:38 | callaurrea | beyond having XOs in display? Music blocks? running in dif platforms? |
| 20:39 | GrannieB | Some one would need to come to show MB |
| 20:39 | MrBIOS | we can certainly attempt to put together a “birds of a feather” meet-up for those who are interested in discussing things with us off of the show floor. |
| 20:39 | I have zero familiarity with Music Blocks, so I am not a good candidate to do that, | |
| 20:39 | GrannieB | Yes... those are very well attended |
| 20:39 | MrBIOS | Anyways, we will have a presence there, and the booth is free, but there are some logistical issues, with the cost of lodging, primarily. The most cost effective thing to do would be for us to share a rented home for a few nights (probably something via AirBnB) |
| 20:40 | Quozl | llaske: you still here? been quiet, worried you might have dropped away. |
| 20:40 | GrannieB | So far, we are 4 |
| 20:40 | llaske | No I'm here |
| 20:40 | Quozl | llaske: thanks. |
| 20:40 | GrannieB | But, before we get a place we would like to know if others will be coming |
| 20:41 | MrBIOS | Correct. My wife and i can get ourselves there no problem, I can do that on my own dime |
| 20:41 | samsongoddy | How many SL folks live close to Cali? |
| 20:41 | GrannieB | Lionel... we want to show sugarizer and talk about your new deployemt |
| 20:41 | callaurrea | not me |
| 20:41 | Quozl | samsongoddy: we don't track that in membership list, sorry. |
| 20:41 | samsongoddy | OLPC SF? |
| 20:41 | walterbender | will be there end of March for Open edX :( |
| 20:42 | pikurasa | wishes he were in Cali in the warmer weather right now |
| 20:42 | Quozl | sameer and aaron? |
| 20:42 | callaurrea | me to, pikurasa |
| 20:42 | GrannieB | Some people often come down from SF and sometimes from the east too |
| 20:42 | samsongoddy | Yes, Sameer and aaron |
| 20:42 | GrannieB | yes, aaron. Sameer... not yet |
| 20:42 | samsongoddy | maybe hilary |
| 20:42 | MrBIOS | sameer has not responded to a single e-mail in a long time. I can ask Aaron |
| 20:43 | walterbender | MrBIOS, sameer is quite active on FB. Maybe ping him there |
| 20:43 | GrannieB | I talk with Sameer on FB all the time. I'll ask him |
| 20:43 | llaske | Yes, he liked few Sugarizer recent posts on FB |
| 20:43 | GrannieB | His wife is a math teacher now. She might like to come too |
| 20:43 | samsongoddy | I saw someone on twitter living in the bay area |
| 20:43 | MrBIOS | GrannieB: that would be great. |
| 20:43 | samsongoddy | that is interested in MB |
| 20:44 | I will ping him | |
| 20:44 | GrannieB | Then, there are some of the folks from the Unleashed kids project who live in Pasadena |
| 20:44 | Quozl | order; can we wrap this up? we have a goals discussion next. |
| 20:44 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: if you would share his twitter information with me, that would be great, as I am here in the Bay Area as well |
| 20:44 | samsongoddy | Sure |
| 20:44 | He follows SL on twiiter | |
| 20:44 | GrannieB | Can we get approval for some $$$ to buy swag? |
| 20:44 | samsongoddy | I will check |
| 20:44 | Yes, you can | |
| 20:45 | maybe some budget for it will be helpful | |
| 20:45 | callaurrea | I need to fade out |
| 20:45 | sorry | |
| 20:45 | Quozl | callaurrea: thanks. |
| 20:45 | GrannieB | Claudia... come to Pasadena! |
| 20:45 | Quozl | what about travel, accommodation, registration fees? |
| 20:45 | GrannieB | registration is free to people working in the booth |
| 20:46 | Quozl | you've mentioned accommodation costs. |
| 20:46 | GrannieB | we could use some help with lodging |
| 20:46 | MrBIOS | Motion: to cover reasonable lodging and marketing expenses related to SCaLE attendance and promotion of Sugar and Sugar Labs, not to exceed $2,000. I am already registered. It only cost me $35. |
| 20:46 | Quozl | MrBIOS: seconded. |
| 20:46 | samsongoddy | MrBIOS: his twitter handle is @maxslug |
| 20:46 | +1 | |
| 20:46 | MrBIOS | I would really like to use the opportunity to attempt to recruit some new python developers to work on core Sugar |
| 20:46 | llaske | +1 |
| 20:46 | walterbender | +1 |
| 20:46 | ifeanyi_ | +1 |
| 20:47 | pikurasa | +1 |
| 20:47 | MrBIOS | Can I +1 a motion I tabled? If so, +1 :) |
| 20:47 | GrannieB | :) |
| 20:48 | Quozl | #agreed Motion 2019-07: to cover reasonable lodging and marketing expenses related to SCaLE attendance and promotion of Sugar and Sugar Labs, not to exceed $2,000. |
| 20:48 | perrie | +1 |
| 20:48 | Quozl | #topic discussion of goals for 2019 |
| 20:48 | anyone want to take a lead on this discussion? | |
| 20:48 | #link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]/2018_Submissions | |
| 20:48 | GrannieB | samson has the EdTeam's goals |
| 20:48 | Or I can give you a link | |
| 20:49 | https://docs.google.com/docume[…]/edit?usp=sharing | |
| 20:49 | MrBIOS | GrannieB: you had those two goal proposals |
| 20:49 | samsongoddy | I think the 2018 should be looked into so it can make a sense for SL |
| 20:49 | MrBIOS | “Develop written guides, in multiple languages, for using Sugar Activities on a variety of of platforms to help students reach stated educational goals.” |
| 20:49 | and | |
| 20:49 | Quozl | can that be added to the wiki? |
| 20:49 | MrBIOS | “Curate and create a collection of visual media resources showing ways to use a variety of forms of Sugar on a variety of platforms inside and outside the classroom” |
| 20:50 | Quozl | good, so we can ignore the google doc as predating the wiki. |
| 20:50 | MrBIOS | we can add it, no problem. |
| 20:50 | Quozl | okay, please do. |
| 20:50 | MrBIOS | to me, “visual media resources” is something we have been desperately lacking |
| 20:51 | samsongoddy | We need professions for that |
| 20:51 | to get some videos out | |
| 20:51 | MrBIOS | so I am all in favor of proposing we spend some time, effort, and possibly money towards that particular goal. |
| 20:51 | samsongoddy | Me too |
| 20:51 | llaske | "Maintain an active community of learners/developers" is key for me |
| 20:51 | samsongoddy | +1 llaske |
| 20:51 | I agree | |
| 20:51 | MrBIOS | llaske: completely agreed, it’s something I intend to spend a decent part of 2019 focused on |
| 20:51 | Quozl | naturally i think keeping the software _working_ is key. ;-) |
| 20:52 | MrBIOS | it’s a pre-requisite, yes |
| 20:52 | samsongoddy | I will see if i can talk to someone to get that part working |
| 20:52 | I mean the visuals | |
| 20:52 | llaske | Quozl: active community will help to keep the software work :-) |
| 20:52 | GrannieB | also... adding Activities to the current Sugar versions |
| 20:52 | samsongoddy | +1 llaske |
| 20:52 | Quozl | GrannieB: or not dropping activities because we have no maintainers for them? |
| 20:52 | walterbender | thinks we have a real deficiency in helping people on-board Sugar in different settings: classroom, afterschool, makerspace, homeschool, etc. |
| 20:52 | MrBIOS | agreed, but we have lots of actitivites, and significant technical debt to address. |
| 20:52 | ifeanyi_ | +1 @llaske |
| 20:53 | callaurrea | GrannieB: I wish |
| 20:53 | ibiam | MrBIOS, I agree |
| 20:53 | samsongoddy | walterbender is also right too |
| 20:53 | callaurrea | but wish I can see a few of you soon |
| 20:53 | pikurasa | well, if they are crazy teachers like myself they would be happy to participate in the improvement/development process |
| 20:53 | callaurrea | including walterbender |
| 20:54 | bye now | |
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| 20:54 | pikurasa | bye callaurrea |
| 20:54 | samsongoddy | bye callaurrea |
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| 20:54 | MrBIOS | if we can find someone truly qualified and willing to work on Core Sugar, modernize it such that it works properly on Python in 2019/2020, we should consider paying for this work to be done, so it is done properly and the code is maintainable. |
| 20:54 | ifeanyi_ | By callaurrea |
| 20:55 | samsongoddy | MrBIOS i think we discussed about that part too |
| 20:55 | How do we find someone? a recruit? | |
| 20:55 | Quozl | GrannieB: we have about 52 Sugar activities with maintainers. |
| 20:56 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: recruitment. we are perilously close to being dropped by distros moving forward, towards the end of 2019, if we can not get our act together and finish the work of making core sugar 100% compatible with Python 3. |
| 20:56 | walterbender | MrBIOS, we should clearly define the problems/deficiencies |
| 20:56 | Quozl | we might also offer inducements. |
| 20:56 | MrBIOS | correct, it must be clearly codified. |
| 20:56 | and milestones would need to be defined | |
| 20:56 | ibiam | Yes |
| 20:56 | perrie_ | +1 |
| 20:56 | ifeanyi_ | +1 MrBIOS |
| 20:57 | Quozl | bounties on released tested activities, for instance. we have several members who may increase their output if they could cover their costs more. |
| 20:57 | ibiam | At the moment one of the milestones would be to complete the port to TelepathyGLib |
| 20:57 | samsongoddy | Qouzl that can work |
| 20:57 | MrBIOS | ibiam: yes, that is very important core work. It’s worth paying for to have it done properly. |
| 20:57 | samsongoddy | *Quozl |
| 20:58 | Quozl | unfortunately, a process to make a system of rewards brings with it the problem of people trying to manipulate those who give the rewards, as the manipulation is easier than the coding for some. ;-) |
| 20:58 | samsongoddy | MrBIOS can you make this goal work? |
| 20:58 | or Quozl? | |
| 20:58 | MrBIOS | we have limited human resources, and the most commonly accepted method on the planet for changing that is to pay people to do the work you know needs to be done |
| 20:59 | I would be happy to be the sponsor for this particular goal, as I feel passionately about it, but I would like to request some help on the technical end. | |
| 20:59 | Quozl | i think i'm the one least conflicted, given that i'm paid for by olpc. but i can't see that idea flying with the rest of you. ;-) |
| 20:59 | ifeanyi_ | Then priorities have to be set right |
| 20:59 | MrBIOS | code review, etc. |
| 20:59 | ibiam | Quozl: with laid down rules on that manipulation would hardly occur |
| 20:59 | walterbender | In the past, it has been effective to have a deployment drive this process... they have tangible needs and deliverables |
| 20:59 | Quozl | ibiam: plenty of sock puppet opportunities out there. github users like me who don't yet use 2FA. |
| 21:00 | GrannieB | Lionel has a new deployment |
| 21:00 | maybe he needs something | |
| 21:00 | llaske | Yes, 3 schools in March with 100 tablets in each |
| 21:00 | And potential 5 other schools before the end of year | |
| 21:00 | GrannieB | That is Huge! |
| 21:01 | samsongoddy | Sounds huge!!! |
| 21:01 | Nice work | |
| 21:01 | llaske | Yes, very proud of that. |
| 21:01 | perrie_ | great! |
| 21:01 | samsongoddy | all in Paris? |
| 21:01 | MrBIOS | llaske: great, where at? |
| 21:01 | ifeanyi_ | 👌 |
| 21:01 | llaske | Near Paris, in Saint-Ouen a defavorised suburb of Paris |
| 21:02 | GrannieB | "defavorized?" |
| 21:02 | llaske | Poor |
| 21:02 | ifeanyi_ | And perfect place llaske |
| 21:02 | GrannieB | ah |
| 21:02 | MrBIOS | I see, just outside the ring :) |
| 21:02 | llaske | Yep |
| 21:03 | We have already a school deployed there with 25 tablets, since 2 years | |
| 21:03 | GrannieB | Would you like to put togetheer a short video about it that we could show at the booth at SCaLE? |
| 21:03 | Quozl | order; our time allocated for the meeting is up; do we have any definite plan to decide on? i think not yet, but the discussion has been good. |
| 21:03 | GrannieB | Yes, excellent meeting |
| 21:03 | Quozl | (any board members who need to depart now, please say so). |
| 21:04 | llaske | GrannieB: I've got few marketing material on that. We can't have picture of children |
| 21:04 | samsongoddy | I am still here |
| 21:04 | So MrBIOS I think we should meetup after now | |
| 21:05 | GrannieB | llaske: let's chat on FB about what you would like to share at SCaLE |
| 21:05 | samsongoddy | PyCOn plans? |
| 21:05 | llaske | GrannieB: Ok |
| 21:05 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: I intend to do my best to attend PyCon |
| 21:05 | samsongoddy | So I am still waiting for Pycon folks to accept my talk |
| 21:05 | MrBIOS | I am registered. |
| 21:05 | Quozl | please all remember our code of conduct to chat as openly as possible and using the best forums for the chat; such as our mailing lists. |
| 21:05 | samsongoddy | and Iqra poster |
| 21:05 | MrBIOS | yes, 1:1 communication is perfectly fine however it' |
| 21:06 | it’s best if we can share the results of those conversations whenever possible | |
| 21:06 | Quozl | 1:1 does not scale. ;-) |
| 21:06 | MrBIOS | correct, it does not |
| 21:06 | samsongoddy | MrBIOS can you come with PyCon with some hardwares? |
| 21:06 | liek RPI? and XOs? | |
| 21:06 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: I can, but it will be limited to what I can practically check on a commercial airline flight |
| 21:07 | samsongoddy | walterbender, do you have any XOs? |
| 21:07 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: I have over 100 :) |
| 21:07 | samsongoddy | Oh wow |
| 21:07 | MrBIOS | in fact I just sent 15 XO-1’s to New York, which next week will be taken to Lesotho |
| 21:07 | pikurasa | needs to unplug or will sight will diminish. |
| 21:07 | walterbender | has a few XO-1s that is all |
| 21:08 | samsongoddy | I am connecting in NY |
| 21:08 | pikurasa | Where are we wrt today's topics? |
| 21:08 | samsongoddy | so if you can ship some to dave |
| 21:08 | Quozl | order; board members please vote; to close the formal meeting. |
| 21:08 | samsongoddy | +1 |
| 21:08 | walterbender | +1 |
| 21:08 | GrannieB | Wow! I wanted to get one somehow to Iqra |
| 21:08 | MrBIOS | +1 |
| 21:08 | GrannieB: I’ll send one anywhere for the cost of shipping. | |
| 21:08 | Quozl | llaske: ? pikurasa: ? |
| 21:08 | MrBIOS | to someone who works on Sugar |
| 21:09 | walterbender | shipped most of his XOs and spare parts to Bolivia a few years back... |
| 21:09 | samsongoddy | I need one |
| 21:09 | Iqra | Yeah, I want to have an XO :P |
| 21:09 | Quozl | pikurasa: we have completed the agenda. |
| 21:09 | llaske | +1 |
| 21:09 | Quozl | llaske: thanks. |
| 21:09 | pikurasa | Thanks, Quozl |
| 21:09 | ibiam | MrBIOS: if we meet at pycon can I get one, the one with me has keyboard issues..and xo1.5 |
| 21:09 | samsongoddy | the one walterbender sent years back isn't working anymore. |
| 21:09 | Quozl | pikurasa: give consent to close meeting please. |
| 21:10 | samsongoddy | Since we will be targeting teachers and students at the educational summit, it will be great to have them play with Sugar |
| 21:10 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: chances are, it’s a pretty easy fix |
| 21:10 | samsongoddy | Broken |
| 21:10 | like bad | |
| 21:11 | pikurasa | +1 |
| 21:11 | Quozl | #endmeeting |
| 21:11 | MrBIOS | it’s a lot cheaper to send parts than a whole system, so if I know what specifically, I can help |
| 21:11 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Feb 1 21:11:05 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:11 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-01T20:01:00.html | |
| 21:11 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]19-02-01T20:01:00 | |
| 21:11 | walterbender | thx Quozl |
| 21:11 | samsongoddy | I will check what happen to it and ping you |
| 21:11 | do you have RPI? | |
| 21:11 | ifeanyi_ | Thanks all, nice being here. |
| 21:12 | MrBIOS | yes, several. eg does it power up, do anything at all? just a bad battery, etc |
| 21:12 | llaske | Bye |
| 21:12 | pikurasa | Bye. Thanks! |
| 21:12 | pikurasa has quit IRC | |
| 21:12 | samsongoddy | I will like to have some RPIs |
| 21:12 | if Possible | |
| 21:13 | MrBIOS | Iqra: where are you located? |
| 21:13 | Iqra | Pakistan |
| 21:13 | GrannieB | Great meeting. Hope to see several of you at SCaLE (besides Alex and myself with our respective spouses) |
| 21:13 | samsongoddy | Quozl, how easy can an Individual order NL3? |
| 21:13 | Quozl | samsongoddy: easy. |
| 21:13 | samsongoddy | Coming from a teacher in Port Harcourt |
| 21:13 | ibiam | MrBIOS: Hopefully I'll meet you at pycon and I can bring the XO along, I need a keyboard...it's an XO1.5 |
| 21:14 | Quozl | samsongoddy: just write to countrieslaptop.org with your address and telephone number so a quote for shipping can be prepared. |
| 21:14 | samsongoddy | Great |
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| 21:14 | Quozl | samsongoddy: people who don't supply that information up front get asked to supply it. as we are a non-profit, we can't make a profit on the shipping, so we can't use a blanket price. |
| 21:16 | samsongoddy | Quozl and MrBIOS did you look at the marketing overview? |
| 21:16 | Quozl | samsongoddy: but be honest with your teacher; there are probably cheaper laptops now than the NL3, if you're willing to install Sugar yourself using the instructions on GitHub. |
| 21:16 | samsongoddy: which specific overview? you've sent several overviews. give date and subject? | |
| 21:17 | samsongoddy | walterbender, I am currently discussing with UN to get MB as part of their project in Africa |
| 21:18 | I sent it via whatsapp | |
| 21:18 | walterbender | cool |
| 21:18 | samsongoddy | This year we are going to South Africa |
| 21:18 | so I am part of the technical lead and I discussing with the person in charge to make it work | |
| 21:19 | But I will need something more on curriculum | |
| 21:19 | FYI I got one from the MindAfrica folks | |
| 21:20 | Quozl | samsongoddy: the one you sent me on monday 14th january on whatsapp i forwarded to my desktop systems and it had the same checksum as files you had attached to mail. yes, i looked at it. |
| 21:20 | samsongoddy | comment? |
| 21:22 | walterbender | I have not seen anything from MindAfrica to comment on |
| 21:22 | samsongoddy | I just forwarded the mail |
| 21:22 | Quozl | samsongoddy: it's confusing. it begins by saying it is a marketing _and_ strategy report, then looks like a meeting report, refers to 2019 goals (i can't find that), and after that i just got lost. |
| 21:22 | samsongoddy | I see that they are having issues 19 laptops with Soas on it |
| 21:22 | They are having issues with login | |
| 21:23 | and how to reset passwords, I will have to visit them | |
| 21:23 | Quozl | installing soas gets you login and password management. it's a fedora decision. we turn that off with olpc os. you might figure out how to do the same, if they don't need separate profiles for users. |
| 21:23 | walterbender | I'm not sure what login they are referring to in the email |
| 21:24 | oh... I see from Quozl what the reference is | |
| 21:24 | samsongoddy | Login for Sugar Desktop, walterbender |
| 21:24 | Yes | |
| 21:24 | Quozl | fedora has a guest session feature that can be used, i thought. |
| 21:24 | samsongoddy | Guest doesn't work |
| 21:25 | Tested it recently | |
| 21:25 | Quozl | it requires configuring. |
| 21:25 | anyway, that's all a fedora problem, not sugar. | |
| 21:25 | samsongoddy | Yeah |
| 21:25 | Quozl | ubuntu can at least log in automatically, which avoids the problem. |
| 21:25 | samsongoddy | But there isn't Soas with Ubuntu |
| 21:26 | the last time I checked | |
| 21:27 | walterbender | samsongoddy, the very first picture is an old version of Music Blocks... everything else is Turtle Blocks, in the Sugar Desktop if I am not mistaken. |
| 21:27 | Quozl | there's sugar, and some activities in ubuntu. my olpc os build has more activities. but not the same activities as soas; i'm not liking the soas selection, and it is constrained by not having had any people doing fedora packaging of new activities. |
| 21:27 | samsongoddy | Yes, everything was in Sugar |
| 21:27 | walterbender | not MusicBlocks :P |
| 21:27 | samsongoddy | But the also did MusicBlocks on Browser |
| 21:28 | walterbender | And it worked? |
| 21:28 | samsongoddy | Yes it did |
| 21:28 | walterbender | I didn't know that worked. |
| 21:28 | Good to know. | |
| 21:28 | samsongoddy | But they were more interested in TB export to Python and Hardware like Arduino |
| 21:28 | walterbender | +1 |
| 21:29 | samsongoddy | Which Sugar TB was working |
| 21:29 | So I will visit them next week to take a look of what happened | |
| 21:29 | walterbender | they should checkout Turtle Bots which has the Arduino support built in. |
| 21:29 | samsongoddy | They are planning another workshop in March |
| 21:29 | walterbender | need to disappear... |
| 21:29 | ttyl | |
| 21:29 | samsongoddy | so I am keeping contact with them to see what they need |
| 21:29 | Sure | |
| 21:30 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: how far away are they from your home? |
| 21:30 | samsongoddy | MindAfrica? |
| 21:30 | A bit far | |
| 21:30 | ibiam | Quozl: I have no experience with packaging on fedora else I would have taken on packaging new activities |
| 21:31 | MrBIOS | ibiam: it’s quite straightforwarded, and well documented |
| 21:31 | Quozl | ibiam: really, "no experience" just means "learning opportunity", if you want to do it you can. |
| 21:31 | ... i really don't like it when people say they won't do it because they don't want to learn. ;-) | |
| 21:31 | samsongoddy | So Quozl: What is the best way to run Sugar aside OLPC from the technical side |
| 21:31 | MrBIOS | I know how, I just don’t hvae the time :) |
| 21:32 | Quozl | samsongoddy: OLPC OS replaced the usual display manager package with one of our own which does not ask for username and password. An equivalent on Ubuntu may be nodm. |
| 21:33 | samsongoddy: Ubuntu also has lightdm which can be configured in a similar way. | |
| 21:33 | MrBIOS | Quozl: that’s also possible to bypass with lightdm |
| 21:33 | you can make it autologin | |
| 21:33 | ibiam | Quozl, I'll look into ti |
| 21:33 | It | |
| 21:34 | Quozl | MrBIOS: yes. |
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| 21:34 | MrBIOS | https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin |
| 21:34 | Quozl | On the other hand, OLPC OS did this because of the one laptop per child principle, that there's no need to authenticate because the laptop stays with the child. |
| 21:35 | samsongoddy | Yes, that was helpful |
| 21:35 | Quozl | For computers that are shared across a group of children, profile directories are needed, hence the need for authentication. |
| 21:35 | samsongoddy | as I found Sugar fun |
| 21:35 | while I was in Junior High | |
| 21:35 | Quozl | So it depends on whether the computers are shared or per child. |
| 21:36 | samsongoddy | FYI there are alot of XOs in Akwa Ibom |
| 21:36 | I am not sure how I can make that trip to that deployment | |
| 21:36 | Quozl | I'd like it if I could hand my iPhone to my wife and have her log in with her identity, but somehow that feature has been blocked. ;-) |
| 21:36 | samsongoddy | Maybe I will need to ask SL for help regarding funding |
| 21:36 | I heard a 1000-2000 | |
| 21:37 | Xos | |
| 21:37 | Quozl | We think we made above 3 million, so there should be a few thousand such stashes. |
| 21:37 | samsongoddy | And I am thinking about visiting Rwanda |
| 21:38 | too | |
| 21:38 | Quozl | ... I'm worried for the dolphins; will they like the antennas when they float? |
| 21:38 | samsongoddy | But I want know how they use Sugar |
| 21:38 | they Biggest Deployment in Africa | |
| 21:38 | Quozl | samsongoddy: we have two staff in Rwanda. |
| 21:38 | samsongoddy | Nice can you link me up? |
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| 21:41 | samsongoddy | perrie you have been quiet |
| 21:41 | Quozl | samsongoddy: i've let them know. |
| 21:41 | samsongoddy | What's up |
| 21:41 | Thanks | |
| 21:42 | I should be going for Scratch conference in Kenya in June | |
| 21:42 | So I will probably see if I can route to Rwanda | |
| 21:42 | which is close | |
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