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#sugar-meeting, 2019-01-29

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22:00 Quozl #startmeeting
22:00 meeting Meeting started Tue Jan 29 22:00:04 2019 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
22:00 Quozl #nolog waiting on quorum, will wait up to 15 minutes.
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22:01 ibiam Hi
22:01 Quozl hello.
22:02 ibiam Seems we're the only ones here
22:03 Quozl yes.
22:04 ibiam I'm currently working on readetexts activity
22:04 Completed the port to sugar3.speech
22:04 Trying to fix other issues
22:04 Getting ready for a release
22:05 Quozl i'm not working on anything in particular, most of my time has been pull request reviews, gsoc idea planning, governance, and watching linux.conf.au talks.
22:06 ibiam I need to watch some of the talks at linux conf
22:06 I wish I could have attended though
22:06 I'll just watch some of the talks
22:06 Quozl just now, i investigated why the meeting robot is four or five seconds ahead of global time.  cause is machine jita.sugarlabs.org which does not run ntp.  jita is running unsupported obsolete ubuntu 12.04.
22:07 the talks are also available, thanks to me complaining about it again, at mirror.linux.conf.au via rsync.
22:07 ibiam Did the upgrade done some months ago exclude some machines?
22:07 Quozl rsync://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2019
22:08 ibiam Thanks
22:08 I'll check it later
22:08 Quozl i think it would be better to say the upgrade done some months ago included some machines.
22:08 ibiam Okay
22:08 Did it include some?
22:08 Quozl yes.
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22:09 Quozl activities.sugarlabs.org is also on 12.04.
22:09 ibiam Which ones were upgraded?
22:10 Quozl i don't know, i didn't do it.  i've focused on applying updates since.  i did upgrade laptop.org servers though, so i can do it in a pinch.
22:11 ibiam Okay
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22:11 ibiam I've not really been taking a look at some of the issues in the gsoc repo
22:11 But I've looked at the ideas list
22:11 Quozl good.
22:12 ibiam And tbh, I don't think we should have "extend the exerciser activity" of sugarizer as an idea
22:12 It was worked on last gsoc as a project
22:13 And I think we said something about not having the creation of an activity as part of a gsoc project
22:13 Quozl i don't remember saying that; can you remember the context or who said it?
22:13 ibiam I can't really remember the details of the discussion
22:14 And I also think that creating word activity for sugarizer shouldn't be a project idea
22:14 First off
22:14 Sugarizer runs on the internet
22:14 Quozl i've reviewed the extend the exerciser activity and i'm fine with it.  the need is there, it is well defined, it looks like more than 12 weeks work.
22:15 ibiam I've not done any review for the task
22:15 Quozl no, sugarizer can also run standalone; both as an app on the various platforms, and also using sugarizer server in isolated non-connected schools.
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22:17 ibiam It seems the idea of Scratch and fixing sugar-web was turned down
22:18 I think it's a great idea
22:18 What do you think?
22:18 Quozl fixing sugar-web can be inside the "improve and maintain 25 sugar activities" project easily; all that is needed is an activity that relies on it that has a later version on sugarizer.
22:19 also, sugar-web has a later version on sugarizer too, so fixing sugar-web also involves merging with sugarizer's version.
22:20 ibiam And Scratch uses sugar-web
22:21 Quozl as far as i can see, nobody was willing to start the work on scratch to prove walter and i wrong on our assessment that it sounded like a very small amount of work; remember that gsoc tasks have to fill 12 weeks.
22:21 ibiam It's a small amount of work, I feel the same too
22:21 Quozl that we had students last year who did their gsoc tasks at a rate of less than half an hour a day is unfortunate, and we are obliged to prevent that.
22:21 ibiam But the merge with fixing sugar-web increases the time frame for both
22:22 Quozl okay, but iqra didn't know how to estimate that, and after asking me a few questions she closed the pull request.
22:22 root cause probably iqra too busy with other things.
22:23 so while it's a pity the idea didn't get off the ground, it's because people are too busy with other things.  if it's an idea that you think is important, you'll spend some technical time prototyping and estimating.
22:23 ibiam She must have closed the pull request feeling the idea was kicked against
22:23 Quozl well, i couldn't assume that.
22:24 ibiam I agree with estimating
22:27 Quozl i've nothing further to discuss.  thanks for turning up.
22:27 ibiam I'd like to work on the Jupyter notebook in sugar too
22:28 But it seems it's only an issue
22:28 And not an idea at the moment
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22:30 Quozl ok.
22:32 ibiam I've nothing else to say
22:32 Thanks
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22:46 Quozl #endmeeting
22:46 meeting Meeting ended Tue Jan 29 22:46:06 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
22:46 Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-29T22:00:04.html
22:46 Log:     http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]19-01-29T22:00:04
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22:50 walterbender hi
22:51 did I get the time right for the devel meeting?
22:51 Quozl it was 50 minutes ago.  ;-)
22:51 http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]19-01-29T22:00:04
22:52 ibiam and i are talking about the prequisites of gsoc ideas.  he may make some suggestions as a pull request.
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23:02 walterbender OK
23:02 Someday I will learn to convert from UTC
23:02 Quozl TZ=UTC date
23:03 walterbender: http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/z/1gocPN.txt is my shell script for converting time.
23:10 xdpyinfo | grep dots
23:10 ibiam: xdpyinfo | grep dots
23:13 ibiam: echo $SUGAR_SCALING
23:15 ibiam: .sugar/default/debug ... export SUGAR_SCALE=100 ... near the end
23:18 ibiam: (cd ~/Activities/ReadETexts && SUGAR_SCALING=100 sugar-activity)

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