« Previous day | Index | Today | Next day » Channels | Search | Join
All times shown according to UTC.
| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 01:35 | llaske <llaske!~llaske lfbn-idf1-1-226-82.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 01:40 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 09:01 | llaske <llaske!~llaskelfbn-idf1-1-226-82.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 09:25 | perrie <perrie!~perrie197.210.54.105> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 09:29 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 09:59 | llaske <llaske!~llaskelfbn-idf1-1-226-82.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 10:07 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 10:07 | llaske <llaske!~llaskelfbn-idf1-1-226-82.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 10:54 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 11:47 | meeting <meeting!~sugaroidrev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 14:24 | walterbender has quit IRC | |
| 14:33 | MrBIOS has quit IRC | |
| 14:36 | MrBIOS <MrBIOS!~aperezc-24-130-45-179.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 15:00 | perrie | Hi |
| 15:00 | samsongoddy and MrBIOS | |
| 15:01 | MrBIOS | hey perrie |
| 15:01 | is still coming alive, having some coffee | |
| 15:02 | it’s early today, and heavy fog, so it makes it even darker | |
| 15:02 | samsongoddy <samsongoddy!~samsongod169.159.86.242> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 15:02 | perrie | hehehe |
| 15:02 | samsongoddy | Hello |
| 15:02 | perrie | sorry I couldn't show up yesterday |
| 15:02 | MrBIOS | no worries |
| 15:02 | perrie | hi samsongoddy |
| 15:03 | samsongoddy | I am a bit tired but I am fin |
| 15:03 | *fine | |
| 15:03 | Seems like the meeting bot is back | |
| 15:03 | MrBIOS: Are we using it? | |
| 15:04 | perrie | dropped a message for you yesterday MrBIOS. to MrBIOS2 I'm guessing you didn't see it |
| 15:04 | MrBIOS | perrie: I was AFK all day, it’s probably sitting on my desktop downstairs, which I haven’t touched. |
| 15:04 | perrie | samsongoddy with or without is fine |
| 15:04 | I guess | |
| 15:05 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: we can, either way is fine with me. |
| 15:05 | samsongoddy | #start-meeting |
| 15:05 | meeting | Meeting started Sun Dec 9 15:05:15 2018 UTC. The chair is samsongoddy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:06 | samsongoddy | I was having a quick chat with perrie yesterday that we need to make a better UX of the www-sugarlabs |
| 15:06 | Contents plays a very big role on it | |
| 15:06 | perrie | yeah, more like a rearrangement and restructuring of content |
| 15:07 | samsongoddy | And fine something interesting for the users to play with |
| 15:07 | MrBIOS | are either of you currently familiar with the Jekyll templating system we are currently using? |
| 15:07 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 15:07 | I am | |
| 15:07 | It is good | |
| 15:07 | MrBIOS | ok, good, I am not, but it doesn’t seem that complex |
| 15:07 | perrie | I am not familiar |
| 15:07 | samsongoddy | I learnt it the hard way |
| 15:07 | lol | |
| 15:08 | perrie | lol |
| 15:08 | MrBIOS | sometimes that’s the best way |
| 15:08 | samsongoddy | https://jekyllrb.com/ |
| 15:08 | perrie | yeah MrBIOS |
| 15:08 | samsongoddy | This is what I propose |
| 15:08 | Less contents | |
| 15:08 | more actions | |
| 15:08 | Something to interact with | |
| 15:08 | Make TB and MB more visible | |
| 15:09 | Like what Scratch.mit.edu | |
| 15:09 | MrBIOS | so, if we want to continue to just use Jekyll for now, check this out http://biasedbit.com/blog/ab-testing-jekyll-ga/ |
| 15:09 | samsongoddy | did with the Scratch |
| 15:09 | online | |
| 15:09 | MrBIOS | if both of you ahve not yet reviewed older iterations of the sugar labs website, I urge you to do that, via archive.org |
| 15:10 | samsongoddy | I have |
| 15:10 | I saw the previous one | |
| 15:10 | perrie | I think bulk of our content can be on wiki, that work fine. so the site just goes straight to the point |
| 15:10 | me too | |
| 15:11 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 15:11 | MrBIOS | yes, keep the site simple, I agree. |
| 15:11 | samsongoddy | https://scratch.mit.edu/ |
| 15:11 | Let look at this | |
| 15:11 | This is something I was thinking we do | |
| 15:11 | MrBIOS | it’s even possible to have the actual static website content be derived from a wiki page |
| 15:12 | which may have value for ease of editing, as well as permissions control | |
| 15:12 | samsongoddy: check out https://github.com/panozzaj/HeapAB | |
| 15:13 | also, https://medium.com/cacher-app/[…]ript-9f6a1774507e is a decent read | |
| 15:13 | the Scratch site is good, the only issue I have with it is it does not explain what it is | |
| 15:13 | samsongoddy | So my question is |
| 15:13 | MrBIOS | you have to already know that, which is bad :) |
| 15:14 | samsongoddy | What do we do the current site |
| 15:14 | While working on the AB testing? | |
| 15:14 | A/B | |
| 15:14 | perrie | for the a/b testing |
| 15:15 | we should have two versions of the sites | |
| 15:15 | let's say a restructure of this current one | |
| 15:15 | and a new ui & ux | |
| 15:15 | maybe same color | |
| 15:16 | MrBIOS | here is what we had at the beginning of 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20[…]ww.sugarlabs.org/ |
| 15:16 | perrie | then run the test with both |
| 15:16 | samsongoddy | Yes, MrBIOS we can have something similar |
| 15:17 | As it is pretty simple | |
| 15:17 | MrBIOS | I personally think that the landing page content is superior in most ways, and is clear and simple to understand |
| 15:17 | we can re-use the images and written copy, there is no problem with that. | |
| 15:17 | perrie | +1 |
| 15:17 | MrBIOS | and just put it in to the existing templating engine |
| 15:18 | we also need to have a page to explain the differences between Sugar and Sugarizer, and what the relationship is | |
| 15:18 | new visitors will be clueless about this | |
| 15:19 | also, this page is simple and to the point https://web.archive.org/web/20[…]garlabs.org/more/ | |
| 15:19 | BRB, pouring more coffee | |
| 15:20 | samsongoddy | Perrie so what do you think? |
| 15:20 | I think we should start with a new UI/UX | |
| 15:20 | first | |
| 15:21 | MrBIOS | keep in mind, the data from Google Analytics we have now shows that most visitors are only on the site for one and a half minutes |
| 15:21 | samsongoddy | Yeah |
| 15:21 | That too | |
| 15:21 | perrie | I agree with MrBIOS |
| 15:21 | MrBIOS | if we can get that to increase, even by just 15-30 seconds, we have something better |
| 15:21 | samsongoddy | #action |
| 15:21 | MrBIOS | even if it does not, it will still probably be better, just not necessarily having the desired effect |
| 15:21 | samsongoddy | So what are the roadmap |
| 15:21 | So that we can have a plan | |
| 15:22 | Since we have something already | |
| 15:22 | I will do some reading | |
| 15:22 | Thanks for the links MrBIOS | |
| 15:22 | MrBIOS | yes, check out the links above. |
| 15:22 | perrie | so we will be working with 2 designs? to take stats of which works better for our audience? |
| 15:22 | MrBIOS | this tool in particular looks useful for A+B testing, but we need to define the cases we want to test against https://github.com/Alephbet/alephbet |
| 15:23 | yes, and it is usually best to try and test small differences, not huge ones | |
| 15:23 | navigation bar contents, etc | |
| 15:23 | huge ones can really confuse repeat visitors | |
| 15:23 | perrie | yeah |
| 15:23 | MrBIOS | there are whole books written on A+B testing, none of which I have read ;) |
| 15:24 | perrie | lol |
| 15:24 | samsongoddy | Same here |
| 15:24 | MrBIOS | but I’ve been around it long enough as a systems administrator that I get the general idea and understand some of the pitfalls |
| 15:24 | perrie | this is my first try on a/b testing |
| 15:24 | samsongoddy | Same here |
| 15:25 | MrBIOS | this is a good and fairly easy read about it and why you might want to use it http://circaedu.com/hemj/under[…]ue-of-ab-testing/ |
| 15:25 | llaske <llaske!~llaske2a01cb00074daf00f559102d59e0d439.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 15:26 | MrBIOS | since we didn’t have analytics data from before the website re-design, we can’t determine with certainty whether or not visitor time has increased or decreased |
| 15:26 | llaske: we missed you at the last SLOB meeting, what happened? | |
| 15:26 | samsongoddy | Well I think people were more interested in the sub domains |
| 15:26 | like | |
| 15:27 | activities.sugarlabs.org | |
| 15:27 | wiki.sugarlabs.org | |
| 15:28 | https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]r_support_Android.3F | |
| 15:28 | Look at this | |
| 15:29 | I think the new site or improve one should use this | |
| 15:29 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: for starters, I propose we just set up a git repo clone of www-sugarlabs, and check out this repo in your public_html folder on sunjammer. |
| 15:29 | perrie | yeah that's same as this: https://web.archive.org/web/20[…]garlabs.org/more/ |
| 15:29 | MrBIOS | then we can make all our changes in the fork |
| 15:30 | it’s important to note that there is probably a lot of replication of content between the website and the wiki at this time. We can’t eliminate all of it, since the wiki contains 10+ years of stuff | |
| 15:30 | but we can chip away at it | |
| 15:30 | samsongoddy | what domain are we going to be using? |
| 15:30 | for testing? | |
| 15:31 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: I will set something up more permanently later, working on that, but for now, we just use your public_html folder on sunjammer |
| 15:31 | samsongoddy | Okay cool |
| 15:31 | MrBIOS | so that would be https://people.sugarlabs.org/~samsongoddy/ |
| 15:31 | samsongoddy | Yes, Let me set it up |
| 15:32 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 15:32 | MrBIOS | I will have control of DNS and will set up a subdomain later. |
| 15:32 | llaske <llaske!~llaske2a01cb00074daf00f559102d59e0d439.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 15:36 | samsongoddy | perrie comments from your side? |
| 15:36 | I just forked www-sugarlabs and I am cloning | |
| 15:37 | perrie | no i'm cool. I'll work with you on getting out the new structure of the site |
| 15:39 | MrBIOS | right now, we have ~1000 sessions per week |
| 15:39 | samsongoddy | That is low |
| 15:39 | MrBIOS | and between 130-180 per day |
| 15:39 | yep | |
| 15:39 | but it’s important to understand that that is the existing baseline | |
| 15:39 | samsongoddy | +1 |
| 15:39 | If we are also working on the site | |
| 15:39 | perrie | yeah |
| 15:39 | samsongoddy | they should be plan for marketing |
| 15:40 | if possible a budget | |
| 15:40 | To get people to the site | |
| 15:40 | MrBIOS | yes, we can discuss that after the next board is seated |
| 15:40 | I think we have to have something we are confident in before we make that sort of decision, though. | |
| 15:41 | samsongoddy | Sure |
| 15:41 | MrBIOS | right now, all of the traffic is presumably 100% organic |
| 15:41 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 15:41 | they are | |
| 15:43 | I am uploading to sunjammer | |
| 15:43 | MrBIOS | great |
| 15:44 | we need to locate where the old webpage content is | |
| 15:44 | other than just archive.org | |
| 15:44 | samsongoddy | I think the are in the same repository |
| 15:44 | maybe git log | |
| 15:45 | perrie | yeah, should be there |
| 15:45 | samsongoddy | https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugarlabs.github.io |
| 15:45 | Why not use this? | |
| 15:45 | instead for testing? | |
| 15:46 | https://sugarlabs.github.io/ | |
| 15:47 | MrBIOS what do you think ? | |
| 15:47 | MrBIOS | so the “new” website went live between November 5th and 8th lf last year. |
| 15:47 | samsongoddy | I think yes |
| 15:47 | MrBIOS | if we can make it meet our needs, sure, but it definitely gives us less direct control over things like server side config, since there is none |
| 15:48 | samsongoddy | Okay let stick with sunjammer |
| 15:48 | MrBIOS | for instance, one thing you lose is web log access |
| 15:49 | it would be helpful to know how many people are visiting the test side, besides those of us working on it | |
| 15:49 | site | |
| 15:49 | so it’s been just over 13 months since the new site launched | |
| 15:49 | samsongoddy | Yes, not that old |
| 15:51 | MrBIOS | according to google analytics, in the last year, our session duration is down 30% over last year |
| 15:51 | but that may not be accurate | |
| 15:52 | okay, yes, I have confirmed we have no anayltics data prior to the launch of the new website | |
| 15:52 | we may have web logs though | |
| 15:53 | samsongoddy | http://people.sugarlabs.org/samsongoddy/ |
| 15:53 | I have uploaded to the public_html | |
| 15:53 | but I can find it | |
| 15:53 | *can't | |
| 15:54 | MrBIOS | where did you put it, at the filesystem level? |
| 15:54 | perrie | can't find it either |
| 15:54 | samsongoddy | samsongoddysunjammer:~/public_html |
| 15:54 | MrBIOS | I see it, if I visit http://people.sugarlabs.org/sa[…]dy/www-sugarlabs/ I get an internal server error |
| 15:54 | let me look at the logs | |
| 15:58 | oh, the page content needs to be generated. | |
| 15:58 | that content is not actual/pure HTML | |
| 15:58 | samsongoddy | yes |
| 15:58 | One minute | |
| 15:58 | Let me see | |
| 15:58 | So I will have to upload the version with pure html | |
| 16:00 | MrBIOS | either that, or you simply generate the content with jekyll from the command line |
| 16:01 | samsongoddy | I don't think I can do that in sunjammer |
| 16:01 | Since the server don't have ruby | |
| 16:03 | MrBIOS | we can fix that |
| 16:03 | or at least I can | |
| 16:04 | perrie | :) |
| 16:04 | MrBIOS | there, installed. |
| 16:05 | samsongoddy | installing budler |
| 16:05 | now | |
| 16:09 | i am uploading the pure html version I generated from my local | |
| 16:10 | perrie | awesome |
| 16:14 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: bundle exec jekyll serve --host 208.118.235.53 --incremental; |
| 16:15 | if you do that on sunjammer, you’ll be able to access it temporarily at http://sunjammer.sugarlabs.org:4000/ | |
| 16:15 | mine is running there now | |
| 16:15 | samsongoddy | Awesome |
| 16:19 | MrBIOS | I really don’t like the “Check out the remaining hundreds of activities!” either |
| 16:19 | that makes it sound like there used to be way more, which is probably technically true | |
| 16:19 | but..very bad phrasing | |
| 16:20 | samsongoddy | can you see a folder called sugarlabs on my sunjammer |
| 16:20 | that is the pure css | |
| 16:20 | something we can easily edit | |
| 16:20 | perrie | no |
| 16:20 | not seeing the folder | |
| 16:21 | samsongoddy | Yes, because I am not sure why it isn't showing |
| 16:21 | at people.sugarlabs.org | |
| 16:22 | MrBIOS do you have an idea? | |
| 16:26 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: I honestly do not, but if you manually navigate to that URL, does it work? |
| 16:26 | samsongoddy | Conversion error: Jekyll::Converters::Scss encountered an error while converting 'assets/css/style.scss': |
| 16:26 | Invalid US-ASCII character "\xE2" on line 5 | |
| 16:26 | jekyll 3.7.4 | Error: Invalid US-ASCII character "\xE2" on line 5 | |
| 16:26 | MrBIOS | I didn’t get that error, oddly |
| 16:27 | samsongoddy | bundle exec jekyll serve --host 208.118.235.53 --incremental; |
| 16:27 | I tried running that | |
| 16:27 | I got that error | |
| 16:27 | This file contain the pure website | |
| 16:27 | http://people.sugarlabs.org/sa[…]ngoddy/sugarlabs/ | |
| 16:27 | which Jekyll on it | |
| 16:27 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: https://people.sugarlabs.org/~[…]dy/www-sugarlabs/ |
| 16:27 | ah ok | |
| 16:28 | try removing everything and checking out again | |
| 16:28 | it worked fine for me=\ | |
| 16:28 | samsongoddy: it’s a unicode character handling error it seems https://github.com/csswizardry[…]it.css/issues/270 | |
| 16:29 | I am probably using a newer ruby component | |
| 16:29 | which is why it’s not happening | |
| 16:29 | samsongoddy | Okay seems like yours is working |
| 16:29 | http://sunjammer.sugarlabs.org:4000/ | |
| 16:29 | MrBIOS | Just add this line to top of config.rb: |
| 16:29 | samsongoddy | Let use this |
| 16:29 | MrBIOS | Encoding.default_external = "utf-8" |
| 16:29 | do that | |
| 16:30 | and then re-attempt the failed command, it should work | |
| 16:31 | samsongoddy | Where did you see this file config.rb? |
| 16:31 | Because I can't find it | |
| 16:33 | MrBIOS | one sec |
| 16:36 | samsongoddy: see https://github.com/csswizardry[…]it.css/issues/270 | |
| 16:36 | it doesn’t seem to exist | |
| 16:36 | I also can’t find the file assets/css/style.scss | |
| 16:36 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 16:37 | samsongoddy | So what should we do? |
| 16:38 | https://people.sugarlabs.org/~[…]ngoddy/sugarlabs/ | |
| 16:38 | Because even the pure html isn't displaying well | |
| 16:40 | MrBIOS | yeah thats just because of the template generation failure |
| 16:40 | due to the aforementioned error | |
| 16:41 | samsongoddy | This is might cause issues with the A\B testing |
| 16:41 | MrBIOS | no, it’s easy to fix |
| 16:43 | it’s just a character encoding bug that was fixed in 2015, see issue 270 above | |
| 16:44 | samsongoddy: just run ‘bundle install’ from your CLI and let it churn | |
| 16:45 | samsongoddy | I need to use sudo |
| 16:45 | Following files may not be writable, so sudo is needed: | |
| 16:45 | /usr/local/bin | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0 | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/build_info | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/cache | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/doc | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/extensions | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/gems | |
| 16:45 | /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/specifications | |
| 16:48 | MrBIOS | samsongoddy: I didn’t need to |
| 16:48 | log out and back in to sunjammer | |
| 16:48 | once you do, what’s the output you get when you run "bundle install" | |
| 16:48 | exactly | |
| 16:48 | pastebin it | |
| 16:56 | samsongoddy | https://paste.fedoraproject.or[…]is0Umkcmp2nbfVRoQ |
| 16:56 | I am still getting same error | |
| 16:56 | MrBIOS | okay, I am going to try testing this as your user |
| 16:58 | samsongoddy: I ran “bundle exec jekyll serve --host 208.118.235.53 --incremental &” as your user and it worked fine | |
| 16:59 | samsongoddy | Conversion error: Jekyll::Converters::Scss encountered an error while converting 'assets/css/style.scss': |
| 16:59 | Invalid US-ASCII character "\xE2" on line 5 | |
| 16:59 | jekyll 3.7.4 | Error: Invalid US-ASCII character "\xE2" on line 5 | |
| 16:59 | Getting this erroe | |
| 16:59 | MrBIOS | show me full context |
| 16:59 | just pasting error lines is not really helpful | |
| 16:59 | pastebin it | |
| 17:00 | samsongoddy | https://paste.fedoraproject.or[…]Cwzmb~Pz4x0FRAwig |
| 17:01 | MrBIOS | there are two jekyll gems installed |
| 17:01 | did you log out and back in by chance? | |
| 17:01 | you must be using the older gem | |
| 17:02 | jekyll-3.7.4 | |
| 17:02 | samsongoddy | Yes, I did logout and login again |
| 17:03 | MrBIOS | okay, I just removed the older jekyll gem from sunjammer |
| 17:03 | try again | |
| 17:05 | samsongoddy | https://paste.fedoraproject.or[…]FxoimDBpwabA3fT~g |
| 17:05 | perrie has quit IRC | |
| 17:07 | MrBIOS | it shouldn’t be trying to use jekyll-3.7.4 |
| 17:07 | that is the problem | |
| 17:07 | that’s the version with the bug in the style.scss file | |
| 17:09 | samsongoddy | Let me update it |
| 17:10 | #end-meeting | |
| 17:10 | meeting | Meeting ended Sun Dec 9 17:10:26 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 17:10 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-09T15:05:15.html | |
| 17:10 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-12-09T15:05:15 | |
| 17:10 | samsongoddy | I will be back in 30 minutes |
| 17:10 | MrBIOS | ok |
| 17:10 | samsongoddy | I want to get something to eat |
| 17:12 | llaske <llaske!~llaske2a01cb00074daf00f559102d59e0d439.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 17:13 | MrBIOS | no problem |
| 17:24 | perrie <perrie!~perrie197.210.55.113> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 17:25 | perrie | sorry went off a bit |
| 17:36 | MrBIOS | no worries |
| 17:38 | samsongoddy has quit IRC | |
| 18:21 | samsongoddy <samsongoddy!~samsongod169.159.86.242> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 18:32 | samsongoddy has quit IRC | |
| 20:40 | perrie has quit IRC | |
| 21:00 | perrie <perrie!~perrie197.210.28.154> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 21:05 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 21:05 | llaske <llaske!~llaske2a01cb00074daf00f559102d59e0d439.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 21:18 | llaske has quit IRC | |
| 21:28 | llaske <llaske!~llaske2a01cb00074daf00f559102d59e0d439.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 21:58 | llaske <llaske!~llaske2a01cb00074daf00b45873dbbbffc152.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #sugar-meeting |
|
| 22:03 | llaske has quit IRC |
« Previous day | Index | Today | Next day » Channels | Search | Join