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| 11:00 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 11:00 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Aug 14 11:00:00 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 11:00 | Quozl | #topic quorum |
| 11:00 | anyone here? | |
| 11:02 | walterbender | I am here |
| 11:02 | Quozl | #agreed quorum |
| 11:02 | walterbender | finally back from months on the road |
| 11:02 | Quozl | #topic what we have been working on |
| 11:02 | nice, where did you end up? | |
| 11:02 | walterbender | I was in DC a bunch of times for work; Switzerland with family, Japan for Music Blocks |
| 11:02 | Quozl | this week i've been working on write, words, terminal, and story. and fixed two things wrong with activities.sugarlabs.org |
| 11:03 | cool. i'm planning on a trip to south australia to see that big battery. ;-) | |
| 11:03 | walterbender | has been working on Music Blocks and Turtle Blocks (JS). |
| 11:03 | Highlight: merging the first MB patch from Japan | |
| 11:04 | Quozl | an increase in contributors is good. |
| 11:04 | walterbender | I'd love to see the big battery :) |
| 11:04 | Especially contributors from a deployment | |
| 11:05 | Quozl | walterbender: any idea what bikram.mit is? |
| 11:05 | walterbender | There is a major documentation and curriculum development effort underway as well. |
| 11:05 | Quozl, I just emailed Rabi at OLE Nepal to ask him. | |
| 11:06 | Quozl | there were quite a few security updates not applied to activities.sugarlabs.org, so i should probably have a quick look at the other vm's. |
| 11:07 | #topic next meeting time | |
| 11:07 | we've had very few takers for the new time slot, especially as gsoc is winding up. so i'd like to move back to the 5pm US/Eastern slot. what do you think? | |
| 11:07 | walterbender | It is much more convenient for me personally |
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| 11:08 | Quozl | me too. 9pm for me is close to brain fade pumpkin time. |
| 11:08 | #topic any other development team business? | |
| 11:09 | walterbender | (1) Bernie will be in Boston the week after next |
| 11:09 | Quozl | party time. |
| 11:09 | walterbender | we should get him to join the meeting and discuss any open sys admin issues |
| 11:09 | Quozl | yep. |
| 11:10 | walterbender | (2) Would be good to have discussions centered around some individual GSOC projects to get a sense of next steps, e.g., Pro Panda and Python3 |
| 11:10 | plus the GTK-3 work | |
| 11:10 | Maybe we can schedule those? | |
| 11:11 | Quozl | i think we can cover both of those here now; i'll share my plans ... |
| 11:11 | walterbender | (3) If we decide to do GCI again this year, it will begin in October, so we should think about (a) is it worthwhile and (b) what sort of tasks |
| 11:12 | Quozl | for the python3 port, they are not yet critical to release, but i do plan to release at about the one year anniversary of 0.110, so i'm planning to maintain and rebase the branches provided until then, and do some testing. |
| 11:12 | walterbender | Quozl, I'd love to hear your plans but I would also like to give the students a chance to hear you :P |
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| 11:12 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 11:12 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Aug 14 11:12:39 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:12 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 11:12 | walterbender | Quozl, pens down, yes. But I think most are continuing |
| 11:13 | Quozl | for the gtk+ 3 work, there needs to be releases of activities. that process is truly well described now, so you can guide students into it. |
| 11:13 | walterbender | Quozl, OK. I'll ping them |
| 11:14 | Quozl | (3) i've no idea what would be good for gci, but i'll keep it in mind. much of gsoc seemed to be more of a repetitive gci. ;-) |
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| 11:14 | walterbender | Quozl, re Python 3, is there specific work you would like targeted? |
| 11:15 | Quozl, re GSoC, some of the projects were as you describe, some not so much. | |
| 11:15 | Quozl, but in fact, the best GCI students have more experience than most GSoC students | |
| 11:16 | Quozl | walterbender: no, no specific work. we're at the phase of needing to do integration testing. that means building. sugar-live-build may help with that. |
| 11:16 | walterbender | OK. That is further along than I had thought |
| 11:17 | Quozl, one other topic: flatpack | |
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| 11:17 | Quozl | #topic flatpak |
| 11:17 | walterbender | There is a PR for flatpack for turtleblock |
| 11:17 | Tincho was reviewing it | |
| 11:17 | But I will look too | |
| 11:18 | it was done by (another new) contributor from Endless | |
| 11:18 | who use flatpack extensively | |
| 11:18 | Quozl | yep, saw it. |
| 11:18 | walterbender | so I am assuming (without having looked) that it is a reasonable patch |
| 11:18 | and may help guide us for other activities | |
| 11:18 | is thinking GCI :P | |
| 11:19 | Quozl | for activities that can standalone, yes. |
| 11:19 | for instance, a flatpak of musicblocks would improve takeup. | |
| 11:19 | there's also ubuntu's chosen micropackaging format; snaps. | |
| 11:20 | walterbender | I plead ignorance |
| 11:21 | Quozl | past month or two, was an interesting discussion between canonical big boss and developers about value of packaging vs the micropackaging. while it sounds good, these newer technologies like flatpak and snaps can lead to some fascinating troubles. |
| 11:21 | walterbender | I was about to ask, Beyond the maintenance burden, is there any downside to offering multiple micorpackaging versions. |
| 11:21 | Quozl | much of the trend seems to be driven by NIH toolchain syndrome. |
| 11:21 | walterbender | I will have to read the article |
| 11:24 | Quozl | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm[…]info/ubuntu-devel around 8th Feb, thread title RFC: Ubuntu Seeded Snaps |
| 11:24 | i've nothing further. | |
| 11:25 | walterbender | nor do I |
| 11:25 | Quozl | okay, bye. |
| 11:25 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:25 | walterbender | so 5pm ET next week? |
| 11:25 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 11:25:09 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:25 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-14T11:12:39.html | |
| 11:25 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-08-14T11:12:39 | |
| 11:25 | Quozl | yes. |
| 11:25 | walterbender | thx |
| 11:25 | Quozl | on the tuesday for you, wednesday for me. |
| 11:26 | walterbender | perfect |
| 11:26 | Quozl | disconnects |
| 11:27 | eohomegrownapps | (hi - just realised I missed the meeting. Just one question regarding spam: some of the spam is getting quite offensive / indecent and definitely unsuitable for kids. I know this has probably been discussed before - may I ask what Sugar Labs' stance on it is?) |
| 11:27 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps, we have been discussing requiring a signon |
| 11:28 | we did not come to any agreement yet. | |
| 11:28 | I brought it up at the last SLOB meeting but got little feedback | |
| 11:28 | your thoughts? | |
| 11:30 | has managed to avoid most of the spam -- just the calls to boycott freenode... but I see that someone has just spammed the #sugar channel with offensive links | |
| 11:30 | followed one for the first time just now | |
| 11:30 | eohomegrownapps | a signon would probably be good - if the spam continues until GCI (is SL doing GCI this year?) that would definitely be an issue and would probably put a lot of new developers off using #sugar. Although a signon would require extra work on the part of the new developers, it's probably a smaller cost than having young developers exposed to these types of messages / images |
| 11:31 | walterbender | It is unacceptable, especially for GCI |
| 11:31 | eohomegrownapps | ^^which could potentially lead to angry parents taking legal action (?) |
| 11:32 | what form would a sign on take? (what would a new developer need to do?) | |
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| 11:35 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps, I was just trying to figure that out |
| 11:35 | atomicthumbs23 | https://i.imgur.com/AaQg3Pp.jpg |
| 11:35 | walterbender | (right now is the first time I have seen this in #sugar-meeting -- it is awful) |
| 11:35 | eohomegrownapps | in the meantime might something like this work? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik[…]Bots/AntiSpamMeta |
| 11:36 | walterbender | we need to use r mode |
| 11:37 | not sure if I have the admin power to set it | |
| 11:37 | vaibhavdaren_ | eohomegrownapps: looks nice |
| 11:38 | walterbender | I am not the operator. We'll have to ask Bernie |
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| 11:40 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps, I think that +r would just require users to register with freenode |
| 11:40 | pretty low overhead | |
| 11:41 | jaskirat_ | Hi |
| 11:42 | eohomegrownapps | that should be fine - if a simple set of instructions were placed in a prominent location (e.g. on the landing page for the web client etc) people should be able to do that easily |
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| 11:42 | jaskirat_ | eohomegrownapps: walterbender hi ! |
| 11:43 | walterbender | hi jaskirat_ |
| 11:43 | eohomegrownapps | (could be a GCI task along the lines of 'make a pull request'... though that would attract people looking for easy beginner tasks) |
| 11:43 | hi jaskirat_ | |
| 11:43 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps, +1 |
| 11:43 | eohomegrownapps | (I seem to remember a 'say hi on IRC' task last year) |
| 11:43 | walterbender | will ask bernie (who is the op on both channels) |
| 11:43 | eohomegrownapps | thanks :) |
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| 11:44 | jaskirat_ | This spam is making people distract ! |
| 11:47 | walterbender: are you gping to fill up for the evaluation of vaibhavdaren_ ? | |
| 11:52 | walterbender: there ? | |
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