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| 11:00 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 11:00 | meeting | Meeting started Tue May 29 11:00:18 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 11:00 | Quozl | anyone here? |
| 11:00 | vipulgupta2048 | Hi |
| 11:00 | Pro-Panda | Hello |
| 11:00 | Quozl | #topic what we have been working on |
| 11:00 | hi vipul, rahul. | |
| 11:00 | walterbender | hi everyone |
| 11:01 | has been converting Music Blocks to use pie menus | |
| 11:01 | check it out at https://github.com/sugarlabs/m[…]locks/issues/1204 | |
| 11:01 | Pro-Panda | I have been working with porting Telepathy, and got stuck. I am working on the port of Datastore |
| 11:01 | Quozl | i've been working on the port to gtk+3 of the record activity; it won't work on fedora 18 because of gstreamer bugs, and at the moment i'm having a lot of trouble with widget geometry negotiation during fullscreen toggle. |
| 11:01 | hi walter. | |
| 11:02 | vipulgupta2048 | I am start making small progress after coming from my absence of a few days. You can check the PR at activity-abacus https://github.com/sugarlabs/a[…]ty-abacus/pull/17 |
| 11:02 | walterbender | Quozl, In turtle, going into to full screen, I explicitly reset the size |
| 11:02 | just reissuing the event didn't help without recalculating the size | |
| 11:03 | Pro-Panda | re sugar-datastore, I can't find where is carquinyol called from |
| 11:03 | Quozl | walterbender: yes, i saw similar. at the moment the difficulty is a Gtk.Image (ImageBox) inside a Gtk.Fixed (MediaView) that will gladly resize _up_ but doesn't want to resize _down_. |
| 11:04 | Pro-Panda: it is called over D-Bus through Toolkit. | |
| 11:04 | vipulgupta2048 | I am start making small progress after coming from my absence of a few days. You can check the PR at activity-abacus https://github.com/sugarlabs/a[…]ty-abacus/pull/17 |
| 11:04 | Quozl, In reference to https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]undle/__init__.py I would like to propose and discuss some topics. | |
| 11:04 | Quozl | #topic activity.info metadata |
| 11:04 | vipulgupta2048: go ahead. | |
| 11:05 | vipulgupta2048 | 1. I would like to go with tags above all else in activity.info |
| 11:05 | Since its already defined, and is a better description from categories | |
| 11:05 | Quozl | Re: 1. I would like tags, categories, and category to be valid, so we don't have to update many activities. |
| 11:05 | I don't see why you couldn't accept all three. | |
| 11:06 | vipulgupta2048 | Well, with 3 there could be uncertainities. No? |
| 11:06 | Quozl | What kind of uncertainties? |
| 11:06 | walterbender | would maybe argue we should use the term hashtag instead (or in addition) since most people know what that is. |
| 11:06 | thank you Twitter :) | |
| 11:06 | vipulgupta2048 | Well, my main motive is uniformity. |
| 11:07 | Quozl | vipulgupta2048: why? |
| 11:07 | vipulgupta2048 | If all the activities have the same format. It would be easier to process. |
| 11:07 | I could be wrong. | |
| 11:07 | Quozl | vipulgupta2048: it is not that much harder to process either of three names. |
| 11:07 | walterbender | The processing is easy to sort out, but i expect some users and developers would be confused by three different names for the same thing |
| 11:08 | Quozl | walterbender: then deprecate two of them as aliases. |
| 11:08 | walterbender | +1 |
| 11:08 | and document one as a the way forward | |
| 11:08 | vipulgupta2048 | I agree, okay... How do I make the edits in the __init__.py, should I make a new point for category and categories, |
| 11:09 | Quozl | Sure. But I'll take a dim view on pull requests just to fix old names in metadata. Write anything that needs this metadata to accept all three. |
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| 11:09 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 11:09 | meeting | Meeting started Tue May 29 11:09:27 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:09 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 11:09 | Quozl | #topic activity.info metadata |
| 11:09 | vipulgupta2048 | Roger that. It's just comments anyway. |
| 11:09 | Next point, is deprecation | |
| 11:09 | of the wiki page. | |
| 11:09 | Re. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]/Activity_Bundles#.info_file_format | |
| 11:10 | How should I move forward with that ? | |
| 11:10 | Quozl | vipulgupta2048: before deleting that section of the wiki page, anything in it that should be in __init__.py must be moved. |
| 11:10 | vipulgupta2048 | Yes Quozl. I will. One more thing |
| 11:11 | In a previous discussion with walterbender we discussed that some parameters in the activity.info are now useless. Hence should we remove it. | |
| 11:11 | walterbender | please refresh my memory as to which? |
| 11:11 | vipulgupta2048 | I have written them down, one moment. |
| 11:11 | Quozl | don't defend your decisions with reference to walter; you should be able to defend them yourself based on your understanding. ;-) |
| 11:12 | walterbender | you mean walter is not always right??? shocking |
| 11:12 | Quozl | hey, i'm not always right either! |
| 11:12 | ... nine out of ten edits of source code break. | |
| 11:12 | vipulgupta2048 | Well, true that. I noticed that most activities not having max_participants |
| 11:13 | walterbender | I don't know if I will be able to get out of bed today... traumatized :P |
| 11:13 | vipulgupta2048 | Hence, I asked the same. |
| 11:13 | Quozl | vipulgupta2048: there isa default. |
| 11:13 | walterbender | vipulgupta2048, max participants is important to the activities that use it |
| 11:13 | Pro-Panda | remembers chat has max_participants |
| 11:13 | walterbender | is prob. the only one who uses it |
| 11:13 | Quozl | max_participants is in the optional section. |
| 11:13 | so any activity that doesn't have it is fine. | |
| 11:14 | max_participants can also be set in code, not metadata. | |
| 11:14 | vipulgupta2048 | Ouu.. then my bad. |
| 11:14 | Sorry all. | |
| 11:14 | Quozl | ... i can't even remember if max_participants actually works. ;-) |
| 11:14 | vipulgupta2048 | I will still look around, if I need clarification over any parameter. |
| 11:15 | walterbender | Quozl, it used to work |
| 11:15 | maybe it broke...haven't tested in a while | |
| 11:15 | Quozl | vipulgupta2048: in your pull request it should be clear to us what you have found; place any research results in commit message. |
| 11:16 | vipulgupta2048 | I will, gotta research before I make anything now. I will do it by tonight. |
| 11:16 | Quozl | no rush, take your time and do it right. |
| 11:16 | vipulgupta2048 | Will notify for depreciation as well, when I am through. |
| 11:16 | Thanks Quozl | |
| 11:16 | Quozl | your personal time allocation is not my concern. my concern is quality. |
| 11:17 | okay, any other topics? | |
| 11:17 | Pro-Panda | sugar-datastore |
| 11:17 | Quozl | #topic sugar-datastore |
| 11:17 | Pro-Panda | bin/datastore-service _ seems _ to be the one calling carquinyol, but I can't find where is that called |
| 11:18 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: d-bus calls it. |
| 11:18 | Pro-Panda: when d-bus receives a request that datastore must satisfy, d-bus server starts datastore. | |
| 11:18 | Pro-Panda | Oh |
| 11:19 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]tore/datastore.py is a client of the datastore service. |
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| 11:19 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: think of it as a remote procedure call (rpc) or process barrier. |
| 11:19 | Pro-Panda: activities and the sugar shell use the toolkit sugar3.datastore module. | |
| 11:20 | Pro-Panda: the original reason was to allow disk i/o to hold up the datastore process without holding up the user experience. | |
| 11:20 | Pro-Panda: also so that the journal is _difficult_ for an activity author to hack. ;-) | |
| 11:21 | Pro-Panda | How does it become difficult ? |
| 11:21 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: by not providing an API at file level. |
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| 11:22 | Pro-Panda | Oh, right |
| 11:22 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: the datastore runs underneath the session d-bus server, not the system d-bus server. so datastore runs in sugar user account context. the same files _could_ be accessed, but in all our history i know of no activity that _does_ access the files. besides, they'd be corrupted if written to. |
| 11:23 | Pro-Panda | remembers trying to access them once while adding a feature in CEdit ;-) |
| 11:23 | Quozl | ... it's complicated, but reasonably comprehensible ;-) |
| 11:23 | Pro-Panda: are you done with the topic? | |
| 11:24 | Pro-Panda | Yes, thank you :-) |
| 11:24 | Quozl | No worries. Any other topics? |
| 11:24 | walterbender | not from me |
| 11:24 | Pro-Panda | None from me |
| 11:24 | vipulgupta2048 | No, not from me. |
| 11:24 | Quozl | Right, none from me either. See yah! |
| 11:24 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:24 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue May 29 11:24:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:24 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-29T11:09:27.html | |
| 11:24 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-05-29T11:09:27 | |
| 11:24 | Pro-Panda | Thanks all |
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| 11:26 | walterbender | Quozl, did you know about this: http://git.sugarlabs.org/datas[…]ne/commits/master |
| 11:26 | A commit by Sascha | |
| 11:27 | has not been watching gitorious, but bernie_ has. | |
| 11:27 | Quozl | Yes. I saw it. |
| 11:27 | Maybe you could reach out and thank Sascha? | |
| 11:27 | walterbender | will do so... |
| 11:27 | Quozl | I don't know anyone using datastore-fuse. |
| 11:28 | walterbender | did you pull it into our GH repo? |
| 11:28 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: you may be interested in datastore-fuse. |
| 11:28 | walterbender | true... |
| 11:28 | Quozl | walterbender: looks like we don't have a clone of that repo. |
| 11:29 | walterbender | needs to disappear for a while... meetings all day. |
| 11:29 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Yes, I am going through what it is |
| 11:29 | walterbender | speaking of clones, I will upload turtle flags as soon as I get back to Boston and have access to my old laptop, where the repo lives. |
| 11:29 | (and the other turtle forks) | |
| 11:29 | Quozl | https://github.com/Daksh/file-manager references datastore-fuse. |
| 11:30 | walterbender | bye for now |
| 11:30 | Quozl | walterbender: bye. |
| 11:30 | Pro-Panda: in theory, it exposes a datastore so you can use cd, ls, and all those nice shell commands on it. | |
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| 11:31 | Pro-Panda | Hmm, interesting. Do we still support/use it ? |
| 11:33 | Later maybe, Good Night :-) | |
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