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#sugar-meeting, 2018-05-29

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10:57 Quozl .
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11:00 Quozl #startmeeting
11:00 meeting Meeting started Tue May 29 11:00:18 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
11:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
11:00 Quozl anyone here?
11:00 vipulgupta2048 Hi
11:00 Pro-Panda Hello
11:00 Quozl #topic what we have been working on
11:00 hi vipul, rahul.
11:00 walterbender hi everyone
11:01 has been converting Music Blocks to use pie menus
11:01 check it out at https://github.com/sugarlabs/m[…]locks/issues/1204
11:01 Pro-Panda I have been working with porting Telepathy, and got stuck. I am working on the port of Datastore
11:01 Quozl i've been working on the port to gtk+3 of the record activity; it won't work on fedora 18 because of gstreamer bugs, and at the moment i'm having a lot of trouble with widget geometry negotiation during fullscreen toggle.
11:01 hi walter.
11:02 vipulgupta2048 I am start making small progress after coming from my absence of a few days. You can check the PR at activity-abacus https://github.com/sugarlabs/a[…]ty-abacus/pull/17
11:02 walterbender Quozl, In turtle, going into to full screen, I explicitly reset the size
11:02 just reissuing the event didn't help without recalculating the size
11:03 Pro-Panda re sugar-datastore, I can't find where is carquinyol called from
11:03 Quozl walterbender: yes, i saw similar.  at the moment the difficulty is a Gtk.Image (ImageBox) inside a Gtk.Fixed (MediaView) that will gladly resize _up_ but doesn't want to resize _down_.
11:04 Pro-Panda: it is called over D-Bus through Toolkit.
11:04 vipulgupta2048 I am start making small progress after coming from my absence of a few days. You can check the PR at activity-abacus https://github.com/sugarlabs/a[…]ty-abacus/pull/17
11:04 Quozl, In reference to https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]undle/__init__.py I would like to propose and discuss some topics.
11:04 Quozl #topic activity.info metadata
11:04 vipulgupta2048: go ahead.
11:05 vipulgupta2048 1. I would like to go with tags above all else in activity.info
11:05 Since its already defined, and is a better description from categories
11:05 Quozl Re: 1.  I would like tags, categories, and category to be valid, so we don't have to update many activities.
11:05 I don't see why you couldn't accept all three.
11:06 vipulgupta2048 Well, with 3 there could be uncertainities. No?
11:06 Quozl What kind of uncertainties?
11:06 walterbender would maybe argue we should use the term hashtag instead (or in addition) since most people know what that is.
11:06 thank you Twitter :)
11:06 vipulgupta2048 Well, my main motive is uniformity.
11:07 Quozl vipulgupta2048: why?
11:07 vipulgupta2048 If all the activities have the same format. It would be easier to process.
11:07 I could be wrong.
11:07 Quozl vipulgupta2048: it is not that much harder to process either of three names.
11:07 walterbender The processing is easy to sort out, but i expect some users and developers would be confused by three different names for the same thing
11:08 Quozl walterbender: then deprecate two of them as aliases.
11:08 walterbender +1
11:08 and document one as a the way forward
11:08 vipulgupta2048 I agree, okay... How do I make the edits in the __init__.py, should I make a new point for category and categories,
11:09 Quozl Sure.  But I'll take a dim view on pull requests just to fix old names in metadata.  Write anything that needs this metadata to accept all three.
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11:09 Quozl #startmeeting
11:09 meeting Meeting started Tue May 29 11:09:27 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
11:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
11:09 Quozl #topic activity.info metadata
11:09 vipulgupta2048 Roger that. It's just comments anyway.
11:09 Next point, is deprecation
11:09 of the wiki page.
11:09 Re. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]/Activity_Bundles#.info_file_format
11:10 How should I move forward with that ?
11:10 Quozl vipulgupta2048: before deleting that section of the wiki page, anything in it that should be in __init__.py must be moved.
11:10 vipulgupta2048 Yes Quozl. I will. One more thing
11:11 In a previous discussion with walterbender we discussed that some parameters in the activity.info are now useless. Hence should we remove it.
11:11 walterbender please refresh my memory as to which?
11:11 vipulgupta2048 I have written them down, one moment.
11:11 Quozl don't defend your decisions with reference to walter; you should be able to defend them yourself based on your understanding.  ;-)
11:12 walterbender you mean walter is not always right??? shocking
11:12 Quozl hey, i'm not always right either!
11:12 ... nine out of ten edits of source code break.
11:12 vipulgupta2048 Well, true that. I noticed that most activities not having max_participants
11:13 walterbender I don't know if I will be able to get out of bed today... traumatized :P
11:13 vipulgupta2048 Hence, I asked the same.
11:13 Quozl vipulgupta2048: there isa  default.
11:13 walterbender vipulgupta2048, max participants is important to the activities that use it
11:13 Pro-Panda remembers chat has max_participants
11:13 walterbender is prob. the only one who uses it
11:13 Quozl max_participants is in the optional section.
11:13 so any activity that doesn't have it is fine.
11:14 max_participants can also be set in code, not metadata.
11:14 vipulgupta2048 Ouu.. then my bad.
11:14 Sorry all.
11:14 Quozl ... i can't even remember if max_participants actually works.  ;-)
11:14 vipulgupta2048 I will still look around, if I need clarification over any parameter.
11:15 walterbender Quozl, it used to work
11:15 maybe it broke...haven't tested in a while
11:15 Quozl vipulgupta2048: in your pull request it should be clear to us what you have found; place any research results in commit message.
11:16 vipulgupta2048 I will, gotta research before I make anything now. I will do it by tonight.
11:16 Quozl no rush, take your time and do it right.
11:16 vipulgupta2048 Will notify for depreciation as well, when I am through.
11:16 Thanks Quozl
11:16 Quozl your personal time allocation is not my concern.  my concern is quality.
11:17 okay, any other topics?
11:17 Pro-Panda sugar-datastore
11:17 Quozl #topic sugar-datastore
11:17 Pro-Panda bin/datastore-service _ seems _ to be the one calling carquinyol, but I can't find where is that called
11:18 Quozl Pro-Panda: d-bus calls it.
11:18 Pro-Panda: when d-bus receives a request that datastore must satisfy, d-bus server starts datastore.
11:18 Pro-Panda Oh
11:19 Quozl Pro-Panda: https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]tore/datastore.py is a client of the datastore service.
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11:19 Quozl Pro-Panda: think of it as a remote procedure call (rpc) or process barrier.
11:19 Pro-Panda: activities and the sugar shell use the toolkit sugar3.datastore module.
11:20 Pro-Panda: the original reason was to allow disk i/o to hold up the datastore process without holding up the user experience.
11:20 Pro-Panda: also so that the journal is _difficult_ for an activity author to hack.  ;-)
11:21 Pro-Panda How does it become difficult ?
11:21 Quozl Pro-Panda: by not providing an API at file level.
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11:22 Pro-Panda Oh, right
11:22 Quozl Pro-Panda: the datastore runs underneath the session d-bus server, not the system d-bus server.  so datastore runs in sugar user account context.  the same files _could_ be accessed, but in all our history i know of no activity that _does_ access the files.  besides, they'd be corrupted if written to.
11:23 Pro-Panda remembers trying to access them once while adding a feature in CEdit ;-)
11:23 Quozl ... it's complicated, but reasonably comprehensible  ;-)
11:23 Pro-Panda: are you done with the topic?
11:24 Pro-Panda Yes, thank you :-)
11:24 Quozl No worries.  Any other topics?
11:24 walterbender not from me
11:24 Pro-Panda None from me
11:24 vipulgupta2048 No, not from me.
11:24 Quozl Right, none from me either.  See yah!
11:24 #endmeeting
11:24 meeting Meeting ended Tue May 29 11:24:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
11:24 Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-29T11:09:27.html
11:24 Log:     http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-05-29T11:09:27
11:24 Pro-Panda Thanks all
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11:26 walterbender Quozl, did you know about this: http://git.sugarlabs.org/datas[…]ne/commits/master
11:26 A commit by Sascha
11:27 has not been watching gitorious, but bernie_ has.
11:27 Quozl Yes.  I saw it.
11:27 Maybe you could reach out and thank Sascha?
11:27 walterbender will do so...
11:27 Quozl I don't know anyone using datastore-fuse.
11:28 walterbender did you pull it into our GH repo?
11:28 Quozl Pro-Panda: you may be interested in datastore-fuse.
11:28 walterbender true...
11:28 Quozl walterbender: looks like we don't have a clone of that repo.
11:29 walterbender needs to disappear for a while... meetings all day.
11:29 Pro-Panda Quozl: Yes, I am going through what it is
11:29 walterbender speaking of clones, I will upload turtle flags as soon as I get back to Boston and have access to my old laptop, where the repo lives.
11:29 (and the other turtle forks)
11:29 Quozl https://github.com/Daksh/file-manager references datastore-fuse.
11:30 walterbender bye for now
11:30 Quozl walterbender: bye.
11:30 Pro-Panda: in theory, it exposes a datastore so you can use cd, ls, and all those nice shell commands on it.
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11:31 Pro-Panda Hmm, interesting. Do we still support/use it ?
11:33 Later maybe, Good Night :-)
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