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| 10:57 | tony37 | Hello |
| 10:57 | walterbender | hi tony37 |
| 10:58 | tony37 | Hi |
| 11:01 | Pro-Panda | Hi everyone :-) |
| 11:01 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 11:01 | meeting | Meeting started Tue May 15 11:01:12 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 11:01 | Quozl | #topic what we have been working on |
| 11:01 | i've been porting record, including coverage and mechanised testing using event synthesis. | |
| 11:02 | Pro-Panda | hasn't been working on anything 'Sugar' for the past week |
| 11:02 | walterbender | has been getting GSoC students up to speed and fixing a few bugs in Turtle Blocks |
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| 11:03 | Pro-Panda | meeting went away again |
| 11:03 | Hrishi | Hello |
| 11:03 | Quozl | #startmeeting |
| 11:03 | meeting | Meeting started Tue May 15 11:03:23 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 11:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 11:04 | Quozl | oh well, if meeting continues to be unreliable, we have no maintainer, we might have to stop using it, but for the moment a repeated startmeeting seems to fix it reasonably well. |
| 11:04 | tony37 | Tony - I have been working on an inventory of the activities available from ASLO |
| 11:04 | meeting | Pro-Panda: Error: "went" is not a valid command. |
| 11:06 | tony37 | ? |
| 11:06 | Quozl | i've nothing further to add. unless anyone else has anything to say for what they have been working on this week, we can move onto general discussion. |
| 11:07 | tony37 | ok |
| 11:09 | ? | |
| 11:09 | Quozl | right, nobody has any general discussion, we can move on to closing the meeting and get back to coding; all in favour please +1; tony37, walterbender, Hrishi, Pro-Panda. |
| 11:09 | Pro-Panda | I would like to discuss regarding the Port of Sugar Toolkit to Python 2 and 3 |
| 11:10 | Quozl | ah, right. |
| 11:10 | #topic porting sugar toolkit to python 3 | |
| 11:10 | Pro-Panda | Telepathy does not have Python 3 support and is used in Sugar Toolkit. |
| 11:10 | Currently I am using this as the Python 2 and Python 3 compatible version: https://github.com/Pro-Panda/telepathy3 | |
| 11:10 | The only change in the Python 3 version I made is here: https://github.com/Pro-Panda/t[…]ster/utils.py#L50 where I changed "except IOError, e:" to "except IOError as e:" | |
| 11:10 | I was wondering on how should we pack it ? | |
| 11:11 | walterbender also suggested pinging collabora for a more maintained version | |
| 11:11 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: what's the situation downstream with the distributions for telepathy? |
| 11:11 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Sorry, I didn't quite get what you asked |
| 11:12 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: never mind, i see ubuntu 18.04 only has a python2.7 build of telepathy, so it lacks a python3.x build. i imagine this will happen once debian accepts our python 3 port after sugar release. |
| 11:13 | Pro-Panda | So, we don't need to worry about telepathy then ? |
| 11:14 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: from memory, telepathy is a python library for a d-bus mediated messaging interface, and it has backends that we use in sugar; salut and gabble. |
| 11:14 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Yes, |
| 11:14 | *Yes | |
| 11:15 | tony37 | Salut and gabble are required by collabwrapper? |
| 11:15 | Quozl | in ubuntu 18.04, the packages that depend on telepathy are sugar, lernid, and tictactoe-ng. i'm not familiar with the other two packages, but if they have active upstream projects it might be worth talking to them. seems likely that they may be dead projects, but i haven't checked. |
| 11:16 | tony37: yes, kinda. salut and gabble are effectively protocol backends required by telepathy. one is for use with a jabber server, the other is for use with only link local addresses. | |
| 11:17 | tony37 | Naturally, this is needed for all collaboration |
| 11:17 | Quozl | (telepathy calls them connection managers, rather than protocol backends). |
| 11:17 | Pro-Panda | But if there is no Python 3.x build of Telepathy, then do we need to provide the same ? |
| 11:18 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: i think you'd best make a build, otherwise nobody would be able to test python 3 port. |
| 11:18 | Pro-Panda: but i agree that you could also contact telepathy upstream and talk to them about it. | |
| 11:18 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Sure |
| 11:19 | Quozl: But if upstream has no plans of releasing a Python 3 version, then are we "allowed" to release it, or should we pack it inside the toolkit ? | |
| 11:19 | walterbender | wonders if the Endless team is using Telephany |
| 11:19 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: there may be another upstream; see for example https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Git/ ... they aren't collabora. |
| 11:21 | Pro-Panda: it's open source, so we could release it or include parts of it within sugar, it's entirely up to us; but if there _is_ an active upstream, it may be better to work with them. | |
| 11:21 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: +1 |
| 11:21 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: i've also thought of ripping out telepathy and using raw tcp or udp sockets, but haven't started that work. while we can, we ought to try to use telepathy. |
| 11:22 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Sure, I will contact upstream first then :-) |
| 11:22 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: find how many upstreams exist, and contact each, yes. ;-) |
| 11:22 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Sure |
| 11:23 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: are you done with this topic? |
| 11:23 | walterbender | will ping tincho to see what Endless does |
| 11:23 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Yes, thank you :-) |
| 11:23 | Quozl | walterbender: thanks. |
| 11:23 | walterbender | has a topic/announcement |
| 11:24 | Quozl | walterbender: go ahead. |
| 11:24 | walterbender | #topic 10 years |
| 11:24 | Quozl | #topic ten years |
| 11:24 | walterbender | Sugar is 10 yeas old today. |
| 11:24 | Quozl | aye. |
| 11:24 | Hrishi | Yay! |
| 11:24 | Pro-Panda | That's great news! |
| 11:24 | walterbender | We have had our ups and downs, but we are hanging in there. |
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| 11:25 | satellit | congratulations |
| 11:25 | walterbender | I am pursuing a few leads for some small and large Sugar deployments. |
| 11:25 | Stay tuned. | |
| 11:25 | FWIW, Samson et al. are driving a lot of interest in Sugar on a Stick in Nigeria | |
| 11:26 | Pro-Panda | Nice :-) |
| 11:26 | walterbender | Although I am not sure we have sufficient technical support for them. |
| 11:26 | Quozl | actually, i count 11 or 12 years. i don't know how you count, walterbender. ;-) |
| 11:27 | walterbender | Quozl, I misspoke. I meant to say, Sugar Labs |
| 11:27 | Quozl | heh. |
| 11:27 | walterbender | 15 May was the day we became official. |
| 11:27 | Quozl | i see. |
| 11:27 | walterbender | 2008 |
| 11:28 | Sugar as a project began in the fall of 2006 | |
| 11:28 | Quozl | i was talking with someone in nigeria today, sugar there and in tanzania. |
| 11:28 | sorry, rwanda, not nigeria. | |
| 11:28 | it's late, my error rate is increasing. ;-) | |
| 11:28 | walterbender | I just got email from a program, Mind Africa Girls Coding. |
| 11:29 | They are using Turtle Blocks and Music Blocks, and trying to expand to Sugar on a Stick | |
| 11:29 | but it is not working on all of their machines | |
| 11:29 | Quozl | the guy in rwanda was looking for a working scratch activity; have we got someone on that? |
| 11:30 | Hrishi | We have a Sugarizer Scratch port |
| 11:30 | walterbender | Samson was working with the MIT team to help |
| 11:30 | tony37 | As far as I know the Scratch activity works on all models of XO |
| 11:31 | Quozl | tony37: the guy in rwanda has deployed ubuntu 16.04, and the scratch activity on aslo does not work there. |
| 11:31 | walterbender | tony37, that is a pretty old version |
| 11:31 | tony37 | Of course, Scratch has made their code internet dependent so we need to use the one that works locally. |
| 11:31 | Old is no problem if it works | |
| 11:32 | Quozl can you tell me who you are talking to in Rwanda? | |
| 11:32 | Quozl | tony37: no, not without first asking them. reason? |
| 11:33 | Pro-Panda: re earlier topic, https://telepathy.freedesktop.[…]iki/Contributing/ points at a mailing list | |
| 11:33 | tony37 | I may be able to get some help from the team there |
| 11:33 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: Yes, I was just drafting the mail for the same ;-) |
| 11:34 | Quozl | any other topics? |
| 11:34 | Hrishi | I want to discuss about how i am doing "Sugar on Windows" |
| 11:35 | tony37 | I don't know if anyone is interested in the state of the Sugar activities on ASLO |
| 11:35 | Hrishi | And any problems |
| 11:35 | Quozl | Pro-Panda: sorry, i'm not available for your meeting in 90 minutes. |
| 11:35 | Hrishi: go ahead. | |
| 11:35 | #topic hrishi, sugar on windows | |
| 11:36 | Pro-Panda | Quozl: No problem, I will keep you updated |
| 11:36 | Hrishi | I've done my research, Windows Subsystem for Linux supports only x64 devices for now. |
| 11:36 | satellit | scratch works here: f28 sugar-runner 0.122 |
| 11:36 | Hrishi | For ARM it will be available soon |
| 11:37 | First step is I am making a .net application, which enables WSL feature on Windows | |
| 11:37 | walterbender | Hrishi, any restictions on the Windows version? |
| 11:37 | Hrishi | walterbender: Windows 10 as discussed earlier in mailing list |
| 11:37 | walterbender | right... |
| 11:38 | Quozl | Hrishi: i'm curious, why not use GTK+, GStreamer, and Python directly? these libraries are all available for Windows. |
| 11:38 | Hrishi | The application is written in C#, and base is available at GitHub/hrishi1999/Sugar-on-windows |
| 11:38 | Quozl: I can do that if we want to go that way. Things will be similar | |
| 11:38 | Quozl | Hrishi: and have you tested Sugarizer from the Windows Store? |
| 11:39 | Hrishi | no I will in a few moments |
| 11:39 | have exams going on, have been preparing since a while, exams ending on may 29, I will get plenty time to work in summer | |
| 11:40 | Quozl | Hrishi: finished with your topic? |
| 11:40 | Hrishi | Quozl: no, |
| 11:41 | The next part is to choose a X server to point display to the X server running on Windows | |
| 11:41 | I've tested it with VcXsrv, it worked fine | |
| 11:41 | Quozl | Hrishi: you wouldn't need an X server if you used GTK+ on Windows. |
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| 11:42 | Hrishi | Quozl: I need to research a bit more about it, we will go with py/gtk+ |
| 11:42 | walterbender | fwiw gtk on windows even works on xp |
| 11:43 | Hrishi | Testing it, Sugar starts fast. No bugs noticed in my testing |
| 11:43 | walterbender: WSL is not available for XP | |
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| 11:44 | walterbender | Hrishi, yes... I was mentioning it in the context of Quozl 's remark about using those libraries directly |
| 11:44 | Hrishi | Any doubts? I will start working again after my exams end. |
| 11:44 | walterbender: oh ok :) | |
| 11:44 | Quozl | Hrishi: is the Sugar window fully integrated with Windows, or is it embedded in a virtual X server window? |
| 11:45 | Hrishi | Quozl: X server running on Windows. WSL is integrated with widows, that means you can even access Windows files on Sugae |
| 11:45 | Quozl | Hrishi: an advantage of full integration is that GTK+ has Windows-specific widgets. |
| 11:45 | Hrishi: another advantage would be speed; WSL is not native. | |
| 11:46 | Hrishi: please test Sugarizer from the Windows Store and tell us if it works well? If it does, I don't see any reason to port to WSL or even native GTK+ on Windows. | |
| 11:47 | Hrishi | Quozl: isn't WSL native? |
| 11:47 | walterbender | Quozl, Sugarizer has some limitations, even when it does work |
| 11:47 | tony37 | Is the Sugarizer library that close to matching the Sugar activities library? |
| 11:47 | Hrishi | Quozl: ok I will test. |
| 11:48 | walterbender: +1 | |
| 11:48 | Quozl | Hrishi: WSL is a shim, a layer, an API. I'm sure it will get better, but it could be years. |
| 11:48 | walterbender | tony37, it doesn't allow anyone to add new activities |
| 11:48 | Hrishi | Quozl: also, for developers, Windows based developers can easily setup sugar and test and make activities |
| 11:48 | walterbender | the selection of activities is made by a closed process |
| 11:49 | tony37 | Is this a technical problem or a policy issue? |
| 11:49 | walterbender | tony37, I think it is a matter of priority of the maintainer |
| 11:50 | Quozl | Hrishi: finished with your topic? |
| 11:50 | Hrishi | Quozl: yes if no one has anything to ask |
| 11:50 | Quozl | Anyone else have any further topics? |
| 11:50 | walterbender | no |
| 11:50 | Pro-Panda | None from me |
| 11:51 | Hrishi | No |
| 11:51 | Quozl | okay, i move to close meeting, all in favour +1. Hrishi, Pro-Panda, walterbender, satellit, tony37. |
| 11:51 | Pro-Panda | +1 |
| 11:51 | Hrishi | this meeting time can suit best for Asia |
| 11:51 | tony37 | It seems clear there is no interest in my project. That is good because I can stop worrying about sharing the resutls |
| 11:51 | satellit | +1 |
| 11:51 | Hrishi | +1 |
| 11:52 | walterbender | +1 |
| 11:52 | Quozl | tony37: i'm sure if you think there is interest you would have asked to speak about it sooner; i suggest you post to sugar-devel@ instead. |
| 11:52 | tony37 | bye |
| 11:53 | Quozl | #endmeeting |
| 11:53 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue May 15 11:53:48 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:53 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-15T11:03:23.html | |
| 11:53 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-05-15T11:03:23 | |
| 11:53 | Pro-Panda | Thanks all :-) |
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| 12:59 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: ping |
| 13:00 | #startmeeting | |
| 13:00 | meeting | Meeting started Tue May 15 13:00:27 2018 UTC. The chair is Pro-Panda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 13:00 | Pro-Panda | #chair walterbender |
| 13:00 | meeting | Current chairs: Pro-Panda walterbender |
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| 13:01 | Pro-Panda | #chair iamutkarshtiwari |
| 13:01 | meeting | Current chairs: Pro-Panda iamutkarshtiwari walterbender |
| 13:01 | Pro-Panda | Hi everyone :-) |
| 13:01 | walterbender | hi |
| 13:01 | iamutkarshtiwari | Hi |
| 13:01 | Pro-Panda | #topic past-week |
| 13:02 | I was occupied with my exams for the past week. They got over yesterday | |
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| 13:02 | walterbender | :) |
| 13:02 | Pro-Panda | #topic this-week |
| 13:02 | I made a tentative plan for this week: https://gist.github.com/Pro-Pa[…]251ee89e6641da9b3 | |
| 13:02 | #link https://gist.github.com/Pro-Pa[…]251ee89e6641da9b3 | |
| 13:03 | I am contacting upstream of telepathy to find their plans of a Python 3.x version | |
| 13:03 | walterbender | Pro-Panda, I will write to Tincho right after this meeting re telephany |
| 13:04 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: Thank you :-) |
| 13:04 | walterbender | also, I saw the patch to eliminate the jarabe dependency |
| 13:04 | so that is all set... | |
| 13:04 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: yes |
| 13:05 | walterbender | Pro-Panda, is there anything special that needs to be done to start porting generic activities? |
| 13:05 | iamutkarshtiwari | pro-panda: "improving tests and examples" ~ Could you please elaborate more on this? |
| 13:05 | Pro-Panda | The only thing that remains is to find a way for the python 3 version of telepathy, and modify build files |
| 13:05 | walterbender: No :-) | |
| 13:06 | walterbender | Pro-Panda, is the process of porting documented anywhere? |
| 13:06 | Pro-Panda | iamutkarshtiwari: I planned to go through the tests and examples and see if they can be improved (which I felt while I was porting them to Python 3) |
| 13:07 | walterbender: I write my daily logs (why and what I did) in a personal file. I will filter the ones of Sugar-Toolkit and share them | |
| 13:07 | (logs pertaining to programming only) | |
| 13:08 | walterbender | Pro-Panda, maybe begin a stub for Sugar Docs on how to port to Python3 ??? |
| 13:08 | octamois can test drive | |
| 13:08 | iamutkarshtiwari | It'll we be useful for others as well |
| 13:08 | walterbender | and perhaps debug your docs |
| 13:09 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: A very naive version exists: https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]-porting-guide.md |
| 13:09 | I will keep on improving this | |
| 13:10 | walterbender | ok |
| 13:10 | Pro-Panda | octamois's work might help find potential bugs in the port :-) |
| 13:10 | walterbender | +1 |
| 13:10 | iamutkarshtiwari | pro-panda: Did you get in touch with Abhijit Patel regarding that jarabe issue? |
| 13:10 | Pro-Panda | iamutkarshtiwari: I didn't need to, James(Quozl) suggested the fix in the previous meeting |
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| 13:11 | Pro-Panda | http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]8-05-01#i_2922160 |
| 13:11 | iamutkarshtiwari | great! |
| 13:12 | thanks | |
| 13:12 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: iamutkarshtiwari: Kindly suggest improvements and changes in the timeline |
| 13:13 | https://gist.github.com/Pro-Pa[…]251ee89e6641da9b3 | |
| 13:14 | iamutkarshtiwari | So this plan is just for this week, right? |
| 13:15 | Pro-Panda | It seemed a bit ambitious to me for a week, so I planned to extend this to a week and a half maybe |
| 13:15 | iamutkarshtiwari | I see |
| 13:16 | Pro-Panda | (Rougly 7-8 days) |
| 13:16 | iamutkarshtiwari | It's better to log down all your work(progress) in your blog weekly |
| 13:17 | Pro-Panda | Sure |
| 13:17 | I will put up the blog post by tonight | |
| 13:17 | walterbender | +1 |
| 13:18 | Pro-Panda | I have nothing more in mind, as of now :-) |
| 13:18 | iamutkarshtiwari | Just a suggestion |
| 13:18 | Pro-Panda | Yes, please |
| 13:19 | iamutkarshtiwari | It's always better to make small PRs so they can be easily and quickly reviewed |
| 13:20 | Pro-Panda | Quozl suggested against it, since we don't want to have a non-working version of the toolkit or datastore at any point in time, since that hampers the use of git bisect |
| 13:20 | iamutkarshtiwari | While planning you can break down a issue (with a potentially big PR) into sub tickets |
| 13:20 | I see.. | |
| 13:21 | walterbender: What are your thoughts on this? | |
| 13:21 | walterbender | I think as long as there is a comprehensive commit message, then it is OK |
| 13:22 | iamutkarshtiwari | pro-panda: ^ |
| 13:22 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: I will make sure of that |
| 13:22 | iamutkarshtiwari: Sure :-) | |
| 13:23 | iamutkarshtiwari | pro-panda: Can you share the link to your blog here? |
| 13:24 | Pro-Panda | #link https://pro-panda.tech |
| 13:24 | iamutkarshtiwari | Thank you |
| 13:25 | Pro-Panda | Anything else on which we should discuss ? |
| 13:25 | walterbender | not on my end |
| 13:25 | iamutkarshtiwari | Nothing from my side |
| 13:26 | Let's wrap up then | |
| 13:26 | Pro-Panda | Sure |
| 13:26 | #end-meeting | |
| 13:26 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue May 15 13:26:38 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 13:26 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-15T13:00:27.html | |
| 13:26 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-05-15T13:00:27 | |
| 13:26 | Pro-Panda | Thanks all, I will post the summary to @sugar-devel |
| 13:27 | iamutkarshtiwari | sure |
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| 21:09 | pikurasa | hi |
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| 22:56 | walterbender | hi pikurasa |
| 23:06 | pikurasa | hi walterbender |
| 23:14 | Are we about all on the same page for temperament widget? (apologies that I had to end the conversation abruptly) | |
| 23:21 | walterbender | pikurasa, I think so... I don't think we'll really know until we experience it |
| 23:22 | pikurasa, the internals are coming together, but the PR Riya submitted is missing some things. | |
| 23:22 | pikurasa | I fetched the changes |
| 23:22 | walterbender | I'll speak with her about it when she is next on line |
| 23:23 | pikurasa | After the last conversation, I felt like we were fairly "in tune"... |
| 23:23 | walterbender | I am a bit confused by some of what she did |
| 23:23 | pikurasa | Honestly, there was no pun intended |
| 23:23 | walterbender: for example? | |
| 23:23 | walterbender | you music people |
| 23:23 | Most of the work is in musicutils.js | |
| 23:24 | pikurasa | you were the one that was ending every email with "stay tuned" for a long period of time :p |
| 23:24 | walterbender | she add the table for three temperaments |
| 23:24 | pikurasa | looks |
| 23:24 | walterbender | and she has defined the ratios for the notes |
| 23:24 | but I don't understand how she applies these rations | |
| 23:25 | or exactly all of what she has done with the interval calculations. | |
| 23:25 | pikurasa | What lines? |
| 23:25 | I see it | |
| 23:25 | L255 | |
| 23:28 | I don't know why the equal temperament math is called "ratios" |
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