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#sugar-meeting, 2018-03-06

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22:00 Quozl_ #startmeeting
22:00 meeting Meeting started Tue Mar  6 22:00:07 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
22:00 Quozl_ #topic quorum
22:00 walterbender hi
22:00 Quozl_ walterbender: hi.
22:00 Pro-Panda hi
22:00 Quozl_ #agreed quorum
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22:00 Quozl_ Pro-Panda: hello.
22:00 samsongoddy hello
22:00 Quozl_ #topic what we have been working on
22:00 walterbender: your turn.
22:00 octamois Hello
22:00 yashagrawal3 hello everyone!
22:00 walterbender Still working on the Music Blocks release...
22:01 a bump in the road regarding the server
22:01 but very close
22:01 Quozl_ all; please mention your first name, for my report.  i like to mention who was here, and irc nicknames don't always capture for me.
22:01 walterbender we'll be serving from musicblocks.sugarlabs.org
22:01 Pro-Panda Rahul
22:01 walterbender which is up and running now, but not quite ready for the world
22:01 samsongoddy Samson is here
22:01 octamois Anmol
22:02 yashagrawal3 Quozl_: Yash
22:02 samsongoddy Quozl_, is the meeting just starting?
22:03 Quozl_ okay, i've been mostly reviewing patches, thanks to all those pull requests.  i did a quick investigation in a replacement for the record activity, which is a huge gtk2 to gtk3 port yet to be done, but nothing definite yet.
22:03 anyone else done anything this week?
22:03 Pro-Panda I have been working on porting Sugar3 toolkit and datastore from Python2 to six and Python3 respectively.
22:03 Quozl_ samsongoddy: we started three minutes ago.
22:04 samsongoddy Okay, got confused with the timezone
22:04 octamois I have done sugar-artwork porting to Python3.
22:04 Forwarding to Sugar-toolkit-gtk3 now.
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22:04 Quozl_ samsongoddy: in Terminal you can type "TZ=UTC date"  ;-)
22:04 yashagrawal3 Working on porting to Gtk3, updating sugargame and solving random bugs in activities.
22:05 samsongoddy walterbender, i just found out that most of the links for TB on the www-sugarlabs are broken
22:05 Quozl_ yashagrawal3: i'm guessing we'll need more activity releases in future, if you want to take some of those tasks.
22:05 octamois What are the expectations from Python port project considering current scenario?
22:06 yashagrawal3 Quozl_: Yeah sure! please let me know more about it.
22:06 Quozl_ octamois: i expect sugar, datastore, and core activities to run as python 3.  i expect some activities not yet ported to python 3 will continue to run as python 2 using the sugar toolkit.  that means sugar toolkit has to be both 2 and 3.
22:07 octamois Ok
22:07 Quozl_ well, it seems we've moved to
22:07 #topic port to Python 3
22:08 octamois Who will be mentoring the project?
22:08 Quozl_ octamois: i'll look at the wiki for you.
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22:09 yashagrawal3 should we start porting activities to python3 already?
22:09 Quozl_ octamois: it says devel team.  so i don't know.  i hope the org admin will assign a mentor.
22:10 octamois Ok
22:10 Quozl_ yashagrawal3: you could, but you will need a working port of the toolkit first before you can test them.  also, it would be unwise of us to have master branch contain code that won't run on current sugar, so a branch "python3" should be used for the moment.
22:11 yashagrawal3 Quozl_: okay!
22:11 Quozl_ yashagrawal3: once we have released sugar toolkit for python3, we can begin to release activities for it.
22:13 octamois: with respect to "who will be mentoring", if your question is about gsoc, just don't ask me.  if it's about porting, don't ask me because i've not done it.  if it's about project management or sugar release or github behaviours, i'm someone to ask.
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22:13 octamois Quozl_: I clearly understand your point now.
22:13 Quozl_ (as i've said to some of you privately; if i knew how to do it i would have done it by now!)
22:14 any other comments on topic?  any topics after this one?  speak up now.
22:15 Pro-Panda Quozl_: Will we be starting to port activities just after releasing the port for toolkit or after releasing the port for sugar and datastore as well ?
22:16 Quozl_ Pro-Panda: we will not accept into activity master branch, or release activities with python 3 support, until the sugar toolkit for gtk3 and python3 is released.
22:17 Pro-Panda: since the datastore is isolated by process boundary and D-Bus, and the shell (jarabe) is isolated by process boundary and D-Bus, they could happen later, but I'd like them also ported.
22:17 Pro-Panda: the main aim of this port is to be able to continue having Sugar desktop available on Linux distributions; who are soon to deprecate python2 because python project is planning to withdraw security support.
22:17 Pro-Panda Thanks
22:18 Oh!
22:18 Quozl_ Pro-Panda: however, if you want to port an activity to python3 before the toolkit is released, and you want somewhere to hold the port so that other people don't repeat the work, then push it to a branch named python3 in the activity repository.
22:19 any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now.
22:19 octamois Considering the critical situation,
22:19 Can we split the project into two like Glucose set of activities and Fructose set of activities?
22:20 Quozl_ octamois: if you're hoping for "what do port first", my recommendation is "fructose", then all the activities that fedora and debian package, then "glucose".
22:20 octamois Yes that will be much more effective.
22:21 Quozl_ octamois: my focus will be on activities that olpc ships, which are "fructose", fedora packaged, and a few we packaged ourselves at olpc.  (by gonzalo odiard and martin abente)
22:22 octamois Ok, Thanks.
22:22 Quozl_ octamois: but i mention that just in case you wonder why i fixated on some strange activity somewhere.  ;-)
22:22 any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now.
22:23 octamois I have something to discus after this topic.
22:23 discuss*
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22:24 Quozl_ #topic general business, octamois
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22:25 octamois Continuous Integration at SugarLabs
22:25 Quozl_ octamois: go ahead.  everyone else; if you have questions to ask or other business to raise, let me know.
22:25 octamois Has anyone thought of this?
22:25 devin-u Hi, this is Devin aka "pikurasa" -- my irc client is not connecting, so just using chat.sugarlabs.org
22:26 Quozl_ octamois: yes, it's been done before, that's what sugar-build and stuff was all about, but it was not maintained and failed, with departure of volunteer daniel narvaez.  i hope he didn't die suddenly, but we never found out what happened!
22:27 devin-u: welcome, feel free to drop us a line here on what you've done this week, and check the logs of the meeting to catch up if you like.
22:28 devin-u Quozl_: "More work with Music Blocks" sums it up.
22:28 Quozl_ octamois: continuous integration is very useful in some projects; i'm interested to know what it will do for us in sugar labs for the sugar desktop.  there's a bit of debate in the wider world about benefits and what changes it brings.
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22:29 walterbender It would be nice to have more automated testing.
22:29 octamois Quozl_: I was interested to have Travis CI at SugarLabs.
22:29 I was reading about that for few days, got stuck a bit at a step which will be resolved soon.
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22:30 walterbender octamois, I have an instance running for Music Blocks, but I never fleshed it out very far.
22:31 octamois You may continue, walter.
22:31 I will email the report as soon as I set up things effectively.
22:32 Quozl_ octamois: thanks; i see some very different repository types; there's the sugar shell, toolkit, and there's activities.  what we lack is activity maintainers, and i'd have to be sure that CI doesn't make their job any harder.
22:32 octamois: all the CI in other projects seems to make some things harder, so please assess that.
22:33 any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now.
22:34 octamois That's what i am looking for upcoming developers and maintainers. :)
22:35 That's all from my side for today as input.
22:35 walterbender octamois, keep me in the loop... would be a good GSoC topic
22:35 devin-u Quozl_: I am finished, thanks. I will be in Japan in a couple weeks showing Music Blocks.
22:35 Quozl_ walterbender: yeah, any gsoc project that is completed too suddenly could have CI dumped on it.  ;-)
22:36 octamois Custom CI with Docker, Jenkins can also make things fly.
22:36 Quozl_ formal motion to close this meeting.  all in favour?
22:37 walterbender +1
22:37 octamois +1
22:37 yashagrawal3 +1
22:37 Pro-Panda +1
22:38 devin-u +1
22:38 Quozl_ samsongoddy: ?
22:38 samsongoddy +1
22:38 Quozl_ #endmeeting
22:38 meeting Meeting ended Tue Mar  6 22:38:20 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
22:38 Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T22:00:07.html
22:38 Log:     http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-03-06T22:00:07
22:38 Quozl_ thanks all, see you in #sugar.
22:38 walterbender samsongoddy, can you please share an example of a broken link?
22:39 samsongoddy I will but I am working on fixing it
22:39 https://github.com/walterbende[…]er/translate.json
22:39 this for example
22:39 on https://sugarlabs.org/turtle-blocks-js/
22:39 working on it
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