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| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #startmeeting |
| 22:00 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Mar 6 22:00:07 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #topic quorum |
| 22:00 | walterbender | hi |
| 22:00 | Quozl_ | walterbender: hi. |
| 22:00 | Pro-Panda | hi |
| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #agreed quorum |
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| 22:00 | Quozl_ | Pro-Panda: hello. |
| 22:00 | samsongoddy | hello |
| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #topic what we have been working on |
| 22:00 | walterbender: your turn. | |
| 22:00 | octamois | Hello |
| 22:00 | yashagrawal3 | hello everyone! |
| 22:00 | walterbender | Still working on the Music Blocks release... |
| 22:01 | a bump in the road regarding the server | |
| 22:01 | but very close | |
| 22:01 | Quozl_ | all; please mention your first name, for my report. i like to mention who was here, and irc nicknames don't always capture for me. |
| 22:01 | walterbender | we'll be serving from musicblocks.sugarlabs.org |
| 22:01 | Pro-Panda | Rahul |
| 22:01 | walterbender | which is up and running now, but not quite ready for the world |
| 22:01 | samsongoddy | Samson is here |
| 22:01 | octamois | Anmol |
| 22:02 | yashagrawal3 | Quozl_: Yash |
| 22:02 | samsongoddy | Quozl_, is the meeting just starting? |
| 22:03 | Quozl_ | okay, i've been mostly reviewing patches, thanks to all those pull requests. i did a quick investigation in a replacement for the record activity, which is a huge gtk2 to gtk3 port yet to be done, but nothing definite yet. |
| 22:03 | anyone else done anything this week? | |
| 22:03 | Pro-Panda | I have been working on porting Sugar3 toolkit and datastore from Python2 to six and Python3 respectively. |
| 22:03 | Quozl_ | samsongoddy: we started three minutes ago. |
| 22:04 | samsongoddy | Okay, got confused with the timezone |
| 22:04 | octamois | I have done sugar-artwork porting to Python3. |
| 22:04 | Forwarding to Sugar-toolkit-gtk3 now. | |
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| 22:04 | Quozl_ | samsongoddy: in Terminal you can type "TZ=UTC date" ;-) |
| 22:04 | yashagrawal3 | Working on porting to Gtk3, updating sugargame and solving random bugs in activities. |
| 22:05 | samsongoddy | walterbender, i just found out that most of the links for TB on the www-sugarlabs are broken |
| 22:05 | Quozl_ | yashagrawal3: i'm guessing we'll need more activity releases in future, if you want to take some of those tasks. |
| 22:05 | octamois | What are the expectations from Python port project considering current scenario? |
| 22:06 | yashagrawal3 | Quozl_: Yeah sure! please let me know more about it. |
| 22:06 | Quozl_ | octamois: i expect sugar, datastore, and core activities to run as python 3. i expect some activities not yet ported to python 3 will continue to run as python 2 using the sugar toolkit. that means sugar toolkit has to be both 2 and 3. |
| 22:07 | octamois | Ok |
| 22:07 | Quozl_ | well, it seems we've moved to |
| 22:07 | #topic port to Python 3 | |
| 22:08 | octamois | Who will be mentoring the project? |
| 22:08 | Quozl_ | octamois: i'll look at the wiki for you. |
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| 22:09 | yashagrawal3 | should we start porting activities to python3 already? |
| 22:09 | Quozl_ | octamois: it says devel team. so i don't know. i hope the org admin will assign a mentor. |
| 22:10 | octamois | Ok |
| 22:10 | Quozl_ | yashagrawal3: you could, but you will need a working port of the toolkit first before you can test them. also, it would be unwise of us to have master branch contain code that won't run on current sugar, so a branch "python3" should be used for the moment. |
| 22:11 | yashagrawal3 | Quozl_: okay! |
| 22:11 | Quozl_ | yashagrawal3: once we have released sugar toolkit for python3, we can begin to release activities for it. |
| 22:13 | octamois: with respect to "who will be mentoring", if your question is about gsoc, just don't ask me. if it's about porting, don't ask me because i've not done it. if it's about project management or sugar release or github behaviours, i'm someone to ask. | |
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| 22:13 | octamois | Quozl_: I clearly understand your point now. |
| 22:13 | Quozl_ | (as i've said to some of you privately; if i knew how to do it i would have done it by now!) |
| 22:14 | any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now. | |
| 22:15 | Pro-Panda | Quozl_: Will we be starting to port activities just after releasing the port for toolkit or after releasing the port for sugar and datastore as well ? |
| 22:16 | Quozl_ | Pro-Panda: we will not accept into activity master branch, or release activities with python 3 support, until the sugar toolkit for gtk3 and python3 is released. |
| 22:17 | Pro-Panda: since the datastore is isolated by process boundary and D-Bus, and the shell (jarabe) is isolated by process boundary and D-Bus, they could happen later, but I'd like them also ported. | |
| 22:17 | Pro-Panda: the main aim of this port is to be able to continue having Sugar desktop available on Linux distributions; who are soon to deprecate python2 because python project is planning to withdraw security support. | |
| 22:17 | Pro-Panda | Thanks |
| 22:18 | Oh! | |
| 22:18 | Quozl_ | Pro-Panda: however, if you want to port an activity to python3 before the toolkit is released, and you want somewhere to hold the port so that other people don't repeat the work, then push it to a branch named python3 in the activity repository. |
| 22:19 | any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now. | |
| 22:19 | octamois | Considering the critical situation, |
| 22:19 | Can we split the project into two like Glucose set of activities and Fructose set of activities? | |
| 22:20 | Quozl_ | octamois: if you're hoping for "what do port first", my recommendation is "fructose", then all the activities that fedora and debian package, then "glucose". |
| 22:20 | octamois | Yes that will be much more effective. |
| 22:21 | Quozl_ | octamois: my focus will be on activities that olpc ships, which are "fructose", fedora packaged, and a few we packaged ourselves at olpc. (by gonzalo odiard and martin abente) |
| 22:22 | octamois | Ok, Thanks. |
| 22:22 | Quozl_ | octamois: but i mention that just in case you wonder why i fixated on some strange activity somewhere. ;-) |
| 22:22 | any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now. | |
| 22:23 | octamois | I have something to discus after this topic. |
| 22:23 | discuss* | |
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| 22:24 | Quozl_ | #topic general business, octamois |
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| 22:25 | octamois | Continuous Integration at SugarLabs |
| 22:25 | Quozl_ | octamois: go ahead. everyone else; if you have questions to ask or other business to raise, let me know. |
| 22:25 | octamois | Has anyone thought of this? |
| 22:25 | devin-u | Hi, this is Devin aka "pikurasa" -- my irc client is not connecting, so just using chat.sugarlabs.org |
| 22:26 | Quozl_ | octamois: yes, it's been done before, that's what sugar-build and stuff was all about, but it was not maintained and failed, with departure of volunteer daniel narvaez. i hope he didn't die suddenly, but we never found out what happened! |
| 22:27 | devin-u: welcome, feel free to drop us a line here on what you've done this week, and check the logs of the meeting to catch up if you like. | |
| 22:28 | devin-u | Quozl_: "More work with Music Blocks" sums it up. |
| 22:28 | Quozl_ | octamois: continuous integration is very useful in some projects; i'm interested to know what it will do for us in sugar labs for the sugar desktop. there's a bit of debate in the wider world about benefits and what changes it brings. |
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| 22:29 | walterbender | It would be nice to have more automated testing. |
| 22:29 | octamois | Quozl_: I was interested to have Travis CI at SugarLabs. |
| 22:29 | I was reading about that for few days, got stuck a bit at a step which will be resolved soon. | |
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| 22:30 | walterbender | octamois, I have an instance running for Music Blocks, but I never fleshed it out very far. |
| 22:31 | octamois | You may continue, walter. |
| 22:31 | I will email the report as soon as I set up things effectively. | |
| 22:32 | Quozl_ | octamois: thanks; i see some very different repository types; there's the sugar shell, toolkit, and there's activities. what we lack is activity maintainers, and i'd have to be sure that CI doesn't make their job any harder. |
| 22:32 | octamois: all the CI in other projects seems to make some things harder, so please assess that. | |
| 22:33 | any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now. | |
| 22:34 | octamois | That's what i am looking for upcoming developers and maintainers. :) |
| 22:35 | That's all from my side for today as input. | |
| 22:35 | walterbender | octamois, keep me in the loop... would be a good GSoC topic |
| 22:35 | devin-u | Quozl_: I am finished, thanks. I will be in Japan in a couple weeks showing Music Blocks. |
| 22:35 | Quozl_ | walterbender: yeah, any gsoc project that is completed too suddenly could have CI dumped on it. ;-) |
| 22:36 | octamois | Custom CI with Docker, Jenkins can also make things fly. |
| 22:36 | Quozl_ | formal motion to close this meeting. all in favour? |
| 22:37 | walterbender | +1 |
| 22:37 | octamois | +1 |
| 22:37 | yashagrawal3 | +1 |
| 22:37 | Pro-Panda | +1 |
| 22:38 | devin-u | +1 |
| 22:38 | Quozl_ | samsongoddy: ? |
| 22:38 | samsongoddy | +1 |
| 22:38 | Quozl_ | #endmeeting |
| 22:38 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Mar 6 22:38:20 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:38 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T22:00:07.html | |
| 22:38 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-03-06T22:00:07 | |
| 22:38 | Quozl_ | thanks all, see you in #sugar. |
| 22:38 | walterbender | samsongoddy, can you please share an example of a broken link? |
| 22:39 | samsongoddy | I will but I am working on fixing it |
| 22:39 | https://github.com/walterbende[…]er/translate.json | |
| 22:39 | this for example | |
| 22:39 | on https://sugarlabs.org/turtle-blocks-js/ | |
| 22:39 | working on it | |
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