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| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #startmeeting |
| 22:00 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Feb 27 22:00:09 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #topic quorum |
| 22:00 | walter__ | hi |
| 22:00 | Quozl_ | #agreed quorum |
| 22:00 | #topic what we have been working on | |
| 22:01 | walter__ | has mostly been working on Music Blocks |
| 22:02 | chasing down more bugs in anticipation of the next release | |
| 22:02 | and rebasing to Tone.js v11 | |
| 22:02 | Quozl_ | i've fixed speak and memorize again for disruptive API changes in espeak-ng, reviewed and merged lots of patches to activities, and planned out a Python3 port based on vague ideals. |
| 22:02 | walter__ | I did a few workshops as well and got good feedback |
| 22:02 | yashagrawal3 | hello all! I've been working recently on porting activities to Gtk3, updating sugargame and fixing some bugs in various repositories. |
| 22:04 | Quozl_ | (in other stuff i've worked on testing a deep issue with realtek wireless devices on mini-PCIe bus that wsa recently fixed by kernel developers, helped a Nepal deployment of Sugar to build an operating system, and established a backup in australia of all critical content and git repositories.) |
| 22:04 | walter__: thanks. yashagrawal3: thanks. ... anybody else awake here? | |
| 22:06 | (pause for a couple of minutes waiting for others, then i'll move onto the next agenda item) | |
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| 22:08 | dzho | glances in |
| 22:08 | Quozl_ | IfeanyiEkperi: dzho: what have you been working on? |
| 22:09 | IfeanyiEkperi | Currently, Nothing. @Quozl_ |
| 22:10 | Quozl_ | #topic port to Python 3 and Six, see GitHub issues |
| 22:10 | thanks. | |
| 22:10 | dzho | Quozl_: I have a proposal in my email drafts to send to sugar-devel to match up the pinned repos at github.com/sugarlabs with the list of repos you indicated in recent email are either core to sugar, or core activities. The proposal is to create a meta-repo pointing to one or more of these sets, since we are restricted to 6 pinned repos. |
| 22:10 | Quozl_ | dzho: thanks. |
| 22:10 | dzho | I've also been reading a little about Six, but not much, and probably not in a way that will be helpful soon. |
| 22:11 | IfeanyiEkperi | I have a question, have been in my head for a long time. |
| 22:11 | Quozl_ | so i created a set of repository issues to formally describe the port to Python 3, and this was in response to private mail with a potential contributor who proposed a draft project response for GSoC, which didn't have any scheduling or division of the work. |
| 22:12 | IfeanyiEkperi: if question is not to do with Python 3 could you hold off until we finish talking about Python 3? that would help avoid confusion. | |
| 22:12 | IfeanyiEkperi | Ok |
| 22:13 | Quozl_ | what do people think of my description of the python 3 work in the issues? |
| 22:13 | walter__ | seems rational |
| 22:13 | I am not sure what the scale of the changes are | |
| 22:14 | yashagrawal3 | I've also been reading python's documentation about porting to Python3, that supports both python 3 and python 2 dependencies. |
| 22:14 | Quozl_ | #link https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]t-gtk3/issues/382 |
| 22:14 | walter__: thanks. | |
| 22:15 | yashagrawal3: in this issue, it is far too large for me to accept one person to work on the issue, so could you possible delete that comment so we can keep this issue as a tracking issue only? | |
| 22:15 | yashagrawal3 | sure! |
| 22:15 | Quozl_ | thanks. |
| 22:16 | #link https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/787 | |
| 22:16 | while a port to Six is needed for the toolkit, it isn't needed for the shell. | |
| 22:17 | #link https://github.com/sugarlabs/h[…]rld-fork/issues/2 | |
| 22:17 | walter__ | Quozl_, as an asside... it seems we should use issues to track the progress of all of the GSoC projects |
| 22:17 | Quozl_ | a port of the sample activity needs the toolkit ported first. |
| 22:17 | octamois | Quozl_: I've started Porting code in Python 3 for Sugar-artwork |
| 22:17 | Quozl_ | walter__: you anticipate a one to many relationship between GSoC project and issues, i guess. |
| 22:18 | walter__ | yes |
| 22:18 | Quozl_ | #link https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]atastore/issues/7 |
| 22:18 | walter__ | Quozl_, what are the implications for GTK2 activities in regard to https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/787 |
| 22:18 | Quozl_ | the datastore is a special case, since it is very isolated in own process. |
| 22:18 | walter__ | should we add a test for that? |
| 22:19 | presumably they will not be converted w/o a GTK3 port as well | |
| 22:19 | Quozl_ | walter__: there is a test in 787 for that. |
| 22:19 | walter__ | looks again |
| 22:19 | Quozl_ | walter__: oh, you mean gtk2. |
| 22:20 | walter__: gtk2 activities should still work if gtk2 is available on the operating system platform being used. | |
| 22:20 | walter__ | well... I suppose it is covered under Python 2 activity |
| 22:20 | Quozl_ | walter__: i can add. |
| 22:20 | walter__ | I think it is worth explicitly testing Python 2 under both cases: GTK2 and GTK3 |
| 22:21 | Quozl_ | https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/787 updated |
| 22:21 | #link https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]rtwork/issues/102 | |
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| 22:21 | Quozl_ | the sugar-artwork port is trivial, as it is only code used in build; but the build will have to be verified as well, all the way to deb and rpm packages. |
| 22:22 | updated sugar-artwork issue. | |
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| 22:23 | Quozl_ | pikurasa: what have you been working on? |
| 22:23 | dzho | has to duck out now. sorry. look forward to seeing folks around in #sugar |
| 22:23 | pikurasa | hello, I just got done teaching |
| 22:23 | Quozl_ | dzho: okay! |
| 22:23 | walter__ | pikurasa, hi |
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| 22:24 | octamois | Six is used to provide a Python 2 and 3 compatibility. So is there any worry about Python 2 activities? |
| 22:24 | pikurasa | Quozl_: per usual... I have been working on Music Blocks. Walter and I attended a class seminar at New England Conservatory yesterday. |
| 22:25 | Quozl_ | pikurasa: thanks. |
| 22:25 | pikurasa | I have also been preparing for my 2nd trip to Japan this year. I will present MB there, and hopefully get some kids involved. |
| 22:25 | Quozl_ | octamois: please explain further? |
| 22:25 | walter__ | octamois, these sorts of compatibility things always have quirks... we'll learn about them presumably |
| 22:25 | pikurasa | ...and of course, we did some testing this week. |
| 22:25 | That is all! :) | |
| 22:25 | Thanks! | |
| 22:26 | walter__ | I presume we'll want new activities written in native Python3 |
| 22:27 | octamois | As far as I know, six is module to provide compatibility to Python3 and Python2, if six is used to port anything, I think parallel support will help as no activity will be affected and subsequent changes in activities can be made. |
| 22:27 | Quozl_ | walter__: yes, that is what we will desire, but the sugar-toolkit-gtk3 shall have both python2 and python3 bindings, so until python2 actually disappears from linux distributions both pythons should work for any activities. |
| 22:28 | walter__ | +1 |
| 22:28 | Quozl_ | octamois: good, thanks. i don't yet know enough about Six. but the goal is to support both python versions in the toolkit package. |
| 22:30 | i'm imagining that the sugar-toolkit-gtk3 sources will be built twice by the makefiles and thus the debian and fedora packages; once for python2, once for python3. debian have a strategy of naming packages python-foo for python2, and python3-foo for python3. fedora probably don't have a strategy for mixing python versions, but i'm happy to lose fedora on this. | |
| 22:30 | however that means losing many activities on soas, which the soas guys may care about, so we may get some movement on that. | |
| 22:31 | unimaro | Hi All. Walter i want to propose two ideas per this gsoc. 1 add a parental tool to support to teachers and family control the children activity . 2.- |
| 22:31 | Quozl_ | unimaro: please wait. |
| 22:31 | are we done on python 3 port? motion to move on to general business; all in favour? | |
| 22:31 | walter__ | +1 |
| 22:31 | unimaro | Sorry dont problem |
| 22:31 | octamois | Please just a few minutes |
| 22:32 | Quozl_ | octamois: holding on to python 3 topic, please proceed. |
| 22:33 | octamois | Why don't we provide a separate branch for Python 3, and all future activities should use Python 3 toolkit |
| 22:33 | Quozl_ | octamois: we are providing this. and there are so few likely future activities that we need not plan for them so enthusiastically. |
| 22:34 | octamois: the separate branch is consequence of a version-split in makefile build. | |
| 22:34 | octamois | I agree |
| 22:34 | Quozl_ | octamois: we can't afford the time to maintain yet a third toolkit, we already have two we are maintaining; gtk2 and gtk3. |
| 22:35 | octamois: are you done with topic? | |
| 22:35 | octamois | So we are having issue is that, we have activities and cannot move forward unless toolkits are ported with both Python versions |
| 22:35 | Quozl_ | octamois: no, only the gtk3 toolkit needs to be ported; gtk2 is not available for python3. |
| 22:36 | octamois | Please correct me if I'm wrong |
| 22:36 | OK, I'm in favor to proceed now. | |
| 22:36 | Quozl_ | octamois: thanks. |
| 22:36 | octamois | Welcome |
| 22:36 | Quozl_ | #topic general business, IfeanyiEkperi's question |
| 22:37 | IfeanyiEkperi: go ahead with your question? | |
| 22:37 | unimaro: you're next, please wait. | |
| 22:38 | unimaro | Okok |
| 22:38 | IfeanyiEkperi | Ok. Thanks Quozl. I am not too sure this should be asked here but since it is a development meeting. I think so. |
| 22:40 | walter__ | IfeanyiEkperi, ??? |
| 22:41 | Quozl_ | IfeanyiEkperi: just in case it's not obvious; i'm waiting for your question. |
| 22:41 | IfeanyiEkperi | The design team is among development but the last time i checked the leadership or group team leader is not active |
| 22:41 | Quozl_ | IfeanyiEkperi: define active. |
| 22:41 | IfeanyiEkperi: my definition of active is "responding to [DESIGN] tag messages on sugar-devel@" | |
| 22:41 | IfeanyiEkperi | Yes |
| 22:42 | Quozl_ | IfeanyiEkperi: nobody has raised issues for design team this year. |
| 22:42 | IfeanyiEkperi: actually, as far as I can see, nobody raised issues for design team last year either. | |
| 22:43 | IfeanyiEkperi: but my understanding is that they are available when needed. | |
| 22:43 | walter__ | IfeanyiEkperi, maybe you can bring this up at Friday's SLOB meeting? we can appoint a new liaison and perhaps you can organize a meeting? |
| 22:43 | IfeanyiEkperi | Secondly, the design team should be responsible for ui/ux of the SugarOS, and i might be wrong but Sugar has not been improved since 2014 for user interaction and experience. |
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| 22:43 | walter__ | there is at least one outstanding design issue on the table: color icons |
| 22:43 | Quozl_ | IfeanyiEkperi: and in this context, design is (a) for Sugar, not Sugar Labs, and (b) having to do with appearance and user experience. |
| 22:44 | walter__ | raised by icarito last year |
| 22:44 | IfeanyiEkperi | Walter: I sure will if I can attend the meeting |
| 22:45 | Quozl_ | IfeanyiEkperi: where there are specific deficiencies in user interaction and experience, these should be raised and debated, via sugar-devel@ ... whether they require design team may vary. |
| 22:45 | IfeanyiEkperi | Ok. Noted |
| 22:45 | Quozl_ | okay, moving on. |
| 22:46 | #topic general business, unimaro, | |
| 22:46 | unimaro | Great |
| 22:47 | Then i have two ideas to implement in sugarlabs 1 is a parental tool per teachers and parents | |
| 22:47 | Quozl_ | unimaro: in sugarlabs or sugar or sugarizer? |
| 22:47 | unimaro | Sugarlabs |
| 22:48 | Quozl_ | unimaro: but it doesn't exist yet; i'm not sure how a developer team meeting helps with that, but go ahead. |
| 22:49 | unimaro | I will apply that like my idea because is very import to help school implement pilot projects |
| 22:50 | Quozl_ | unimaro: bypass your justifications for the moment and get to the functional design please? |
| 22:50 | unimaro: what will it _do_? | |
| 22:51 | unimaro | Give some control feature to a person like to a supervisor |
| 22:51 | walter__ | control over what? |
| 22:51 | Quozl_ | unimaro: so a sort of anti-feature collection? disable features in sugar? |
| 22:52 | unimaro | I for example is any student got to a website to play o watch videos in a classroom time the teacher send message |
| 22:52 | Or block the screen | |
| 22:53 | Quozl_ | unimaro: oh, okay, it sounds like you need to write up your ideas more fully and post to sugar-devel@ for comment, i don't think it is something we should talk about in developer team meeting yet. |
| 22:53 | unimaro: unless you are looking for developers to join the project? | |
| 22:53 | unimaro | Ok great then i will devel more my idea in sugar-devel |
| 22:53 | Quozl_ | great. thanks. |
| 22:53 | unimaro | Yes |
| 22:54 | Quozl_ | motion to close meeting, all in favour? |
| 22:54 | #topic closing meeting | |
| 22:54 | walter__ | +1 |
| 22:54 | IfeanyiEkperi | It's a nice idea unimaro, but details are lacking |
| 22:54 | yashagrawal3_ | +1 |
| 22:54 | IfeanyiEkperi | +1 |
| 22:55 | Quozl_ | dzho: octamois: pikurasa: unimaro: motion to close meeting, all in favour? |
| 22:55 | unimaro | Yes |
| 22:55 | +1 | |
| 22:56 | Quozl_ | dzho: octamois: pikurasa: motion to close meeting, all in favour? |
| 22:57 | okay, they've apparently gone, probably because we went a bit over time ... proceeding anyway. | |
| 22:57 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:57 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Feb 27 22:57:13 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:57 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-27T22:00:09.html | |
| 22:57 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-02-27T22:00:09 | |
| 22:57 | pikurasa | +1 |
| 22:58 | Quozl_ | unimaro: IfeanyiEkperi: octamois: first names? for write-up post. otherwise nicknames used. |
| 22:58 | walter__ | thanks Quozl_ |
| 22:58 | unimaro | Carlos Cardenas :) |
| 22:58 | IfeanyiEkperi | Thanks and bye. Ifeanyi Ekperi |
| 22:59 | Can the meeting be earlier next time, its late here in Nigeria 00:00 | |
| 22:59 | Quozl_ | We can discuss that next meeting, please bring it up then. |
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| 23:00 | Quozl_ | Given we have Japan, America, India, Australia, it's really hard to find a good time. |
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| 23:01 | IfeanyiEkperi | Ok. |
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