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| 18:58 | walterbender | seems like we will have a quorum today :) |
| 18:59 | samsongoddy | Hello |
| 19:01 | CanoeBerry | Hi |
| 19:02 | walterbender | #start-meeting |
| 19:02 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Jan 5 19:02:42 2018 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 19:02 | walterbender | hi everyone |
| 19:03 | I have a few agenda items to cover to start | |
| 19:03 | #topic GCI | |
| 19:03 | We have two more weeks of Google Code In | |
| 19:03 | the participation this year has been through the roof | |
| 19:04 | over 1000 student and more than 600 tasks completed so far | |
| 19:04 | and the mentor team has been very helpful | |
| 19:04 | some great work by some familar faces and some newcomers | |
| 19:04 | I'm very pleased we are participating again this year | |
| 19:05 | any comments/questions re GCI? | |
| 19:05 | a few GCI students are here: kipply and sidhant | |
| 19:05 | wanna comment? | |
| 19:05 | CanoeBerry | What's the best link to see the most active mentors/projects etc? |
| 19:06 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: behind the google firewall |
| 19:06 | CanoeBerry | Ugh, ok. |
| 19:06 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: I will send out a summary when we wrap up in a few weeks |
| 19:06 | eohomegrownapps | hi, I really appreciate the work you and the other mentors are doing to help us :) |
| 19:06 | walterbender | but sugarizer, music blocks, and sugar itself have all been popular |
| 19:07 | kipply | Super great experience, I've just started working on some stuff with the Sugar core. I think the most exciting part has been learning Gtk+3 and music theory (I was quite musically inept) |
| 19:07 | sidhant | Hey! I'm really enjoying contributing through GCI to SL, it gives a simple step into the open source world for us. Personally working on the GCI SL tasks, I find a bit of a focus on MusicBlocks and I'd personally prefer more design tasks. |
| 19:07 | walterbender | kipply: everything I know about music I learned from Music Blocks :) |
| 19:07 | seriously | |
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| 19:07 | jaskirat | Hello everyone |
| 19:08 | kipply | I was confused about time signatures on my first music blocks task haha |
| 19:08 | walterbender | We'll have to keep this in mind for next year: more design tasks |
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| 19:09 | jaskirat | <walterbender>You are right ...GCI is touching great heights |
| 19:09 | sidhant | Working with the mentors is amazing, the responses are really prompt. Compared to Zulip, from my experience last year. :P |
| 19:09 | walterbender | sidhant: we have 40 mentors :) |
| 19:10 | jaskirat | <sidhant> Sugarlabs is one of the most experienced organizations |
| 19:10 | kipply | @sidhant +1 |
| 19:10 | This is my first code in though, so I wouldn't know - but I do know that I'm never waiting for help or stuck too long :) | |
| 19:10 | jaskirat | <walterbender> This time too we miss some of the task ...Hope will come up with next time those |
| 19:10 | Hrishi | Late |
| 19:11 | walterbender | GCI naturally leads us to the next topic, Summer of Code. |
| 19:11 | #topic GSoC | |
| 19:11 | The reason I bring this up now is because Google has pushed forward the application process | |
| 19:11 | We need to apply in the next two weeks | |
| 19:12 | jaskirat | great waltebender ... |
| 19:12 | Hrishi | walterbender: do we have project slots for GSOC? |
| 19:12 | walterbender | so I wanted to get approval from the oversight board to participate again this year |
| 19:12 | Hrishi | I mean do they give a Max limit? |
| 19:12 | walterbender | Hrishi: we don't know |
| 19:12 | We had 9 last year | |
| 19:12 | Hrishi | All passed ;) |
| 19:12 | walterbender | We can hope for the same this year |
| 19:12 | jaskirat | <walterbender> agree with you |
| 19:13 | walterbender | #motion: Sugar Labs will apply for Google Summer of Code 2018. |
| 19:13 | jaskirat | it should be.....Yes |
| 19:13 | and should get good proposals for coder too | |
| 19:15 | walterbender | any SLOB members have any comments re GSoC? |
| 19:16 | I'll try not to read too much into the silence | |
| 19:16 | CanoeBerry | +1 |
| 19:17 | walterbender | I guess I will prepare the application and try to get consensus via email |
| 19:17 | CanoeBerry: could you please second the motion before we vote? | |
| 19:17 | CanoeBerry | Seconded. +1 too. |
| 19:17 | jaskirat | <walterbender> That will be good |
| 19:17 | walterbender | +1 |
| 19:18 | ignacio llaske sverma ??? | |
| 19:18 | samsongoddy: ??? | |
| 19:19 | jaskirat | they might be involved in something else |
| 19:19 | samsongoddy | ping |
| 19:19 | walterbender | is connected through a browser since I am away from my computer |
| 19:19 | samsongoddy | +1 |
| 19:19 | walterbender | maybe that expains the lag? |
| 19:20 | We should move on in the agenda. | |
| 19:20 | CanoeBerry | Sure. Channel & walterbender's messages are arriving promptly on this end. |
| 19:20 | walterbender | I'll follow up with email |
| 19:21 | jaskirat | <walterbender> do we have any minimum criteria for proposals in GSoC? |
| 19:22 | ? | |
| 19:23 | walterbender | The community comes up with project ideas |
| 19:23 | and we let the candidates come up with ideas too. | |
| 19:23 | jaskirat | Okay ... |
| 19:23 | walterbender | and then pick the best match between ideas and skills |
| 19:23 | moving on | |
| 19:24 | #topic Music Blocks workshops | |
| 19:24 | jaskirat | Yes...sure |
| 19:24 | walterbender | Devin has written up a few reports on the workshops he has been running in Japan |
| 19:24 | He has a few more to write up | |
| 19:25 | Hrishi | All right, for Sugar Labs workshops, I have talked with some of my friends to help me with it. I will be visiting schools if I get some support. |
| 19:25 | walterbender | They have gone really well and he has been invited to come back to do more, with the intent to design a larger program that can be nationwide in Japan |
| 19:25 | Hrishi | Will be targeted yo primary schools here |
| 19:25 | walterbender | which is a great opportunity for us. |
| 19:26 | sidhant | Hrishi: I'm planning to conduct some under thegirlcode.co, although that'll be TurtleBlocks + Python. The target audience is Middle schoolers. |
| 19:26 | jaskirat | <walterbender> i have started with from my own school ...and they wated to be involved |
| 19:26 | walterbender | MITI is involved and will hopefully be the source of longer term support |
| 19:26 | samsongoddy | MITI? |
| 19:27 | walterbender | but we may have to cover some travel in the sort term through the Trip Advisor grant |
| 19:27 | I don't remember exactly what the acronym means, but ministry of information techmology? | |
| 19:27 | jaskirat | okay |
| 19:27 | walterbender | something like that |
| 19:27 | I'll send details via email but wanted to give a heads up | |
| 19:28 | Hrishi | sidhant:great |
| 19:28 | walterbender | things are really moving quickly |
| 19:28 | Hrishi | I hope the school (s) accept this workshops in 2018. Seems a good year |
| 19:28 | walterbender | Also I am in discussions to make Music Blocks an integral part of a Tata-funded MIT program in India |
| 19:28 | jaskirat | <Hrishi> i have introduced with sugarlabs with my own school...and will trying to cover nearby me ....... |
| 19:29 | walterbender | I'll keep you all in th loop as things progress. |
| 19:29 | samsongoddy | I have alot of things cooking in Nigeria too |
| 19:29 | around Sugar Labs | |
| 19:29 | Hrishi | jaskirat: I have introduced, but most of people use windows. That's why "Sugar for Windows" is in progress |
| 19:29 | walterbender | samsongoddy: the floor is yours |
| 19:29 | Hrishi | walterbender: I will share details by email soon. Will let you know if any progress happens. |
| 19:30 | walterbender | +1 |
| 19:30 | jaskirat | <Hrishi> agree with you .... |
| 19:30 | samsongoddy | I have a motion "Motion: Additional Reimbursement for Gsoc mentor Summit" |
| 19:30 | Sent to SLOBs mailing list for approval | |
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| 19:30 | walterbender | sidhant: let me know if you need any help re Python/Turtle |
| 19:30 | llaske: please read the backlog | |
| 19:30 | samsongoddy | SFC requested SLOBS should approve the funds before they can reimburse me |
| 19:31 | walterbender | and chime in re GSoC if you have an opinion |
| 19:31 | did anyone have any thoughts re Samson's email? | |
| 19:31 | I thought it was a reasonable accounitng | |
| 19:32 | jaskirat | <walterbender> should we go for marketing ....Music Blocks ...i think i should work on it ...make it really better |
| 19:32 | samsongoddy | I have until Febraury 2 |
| 19:32 | I will like if anyone can second the motion for voting | |
| 19:33 | walterbender | I will second samson's motion |
| 19:33 | jaskirat | +1 |
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| 19:34 | walterbender | seems llaske_ is not having much luck with his connection |
| 19:35 | samsongoddy: I will resend your motion again by email along with the fact that it has been seconded. | |
| 19:36 | samsongoddy | sure |
| 19:36 | walterbender | seems everyone on the board is distracted today. |
| 19:36 | a couple of other things we need to work on ASAP: | |
| 19:36 | finding a new ombudsman | |
| 19:37 | I have a few candidates in mind but I want to get a sense of their level on interest before floating their names publicly | |
| 19:37 | and Sameer has ideas about how to get the Goals for 2018 discussion kicked off... | |
| 19:37 | sverma | Hello! I'm teaching a class right now, so looked in, and keeping an eye when I can! |
| 19:37 | walterbender | samsongoddy and I have been discussing it as well |
| 19:37 | sverma | Logged in |
| 19:38 | Hrishi | walterbender: I and samsongoddy have been discussing this week |
| 19:38 | walterbender: we are using some 2016 goals right? | |
| 19:38 | sverma | I'll introduce the goals conversation via email |
| 19:38 | walterbender | Sameer has offered to get the discussion going by email, so we can share our thoughts |
| 19:39 | Hrishi: that page is full of good ideas, but too diffuse for us to accomplish them all | |
| 19:39 | we need focus, IMHO | |
| 19:39 | sverma | I'll try to send that out this weekend |
| 19:39 | walterbender | sverma: thx |
| 19:39 | any other topics for today? | |
| 19:39 | CanoeBerry | Thanks Walter for researching Ombudspeops. On the prior topic, by the non-profit standards I work with in many countries, the above-mentioned reimbursement expenditures are excessively high, so I personally vote against (-1). |
| 19:41 | samsongoddy | $211 is the request |
| 19:41 | eohomegrownapps | walterbender, just out of interest, did anyone have the time to look into the sugar-web/sugarizer compatibility issue? If not, I should be able to have a look after my exams. |
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| 19:42 | walterbender | eohomegrownapps: not that I know of. but I think it is an important technical goal for us |
| 19:42 | Hrishi | will continue with some goals to work on. |
| 19:42 | walterbender | wow... looking out the window at the wind blowing th snpw around... impressive |
| 19:43 | eohomegrownapps | ok, I'll try to have a look after my exams then |
| 19:43 | Hrishi | never saw snow. |
| 19:43 | walterbender | i saw plenty yesterday... 1/2 meter at my house |
| 19:43 | jaskirat | <walterbender> would you like to see further any marketing poster ....i could design ..... |
| 19:44 | Hrishi | Okay, I think I am done here. Bye! Later. |
| 19:44 | CanoeBerry | Substantially more than $1000 total is being requested for a wkd in San Francisco, after Samson's flight from Nigeria was already paid for. This is wildly excessive in the opinion of many that I work with closely. Enough said. We have a very fundamental disagreement on what constitutes prudent and wise spending. |
| 19:45 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: I don't understand where you are getting your numbers from... but I don't think it is worth arguing about |
| 19:46 | anything else for today? | |
| 19:47 | cristian99garcia | I've arrived late to GCI topic, but I just want to say that it has been really a great experience as mentor, and I still learning English, but these instances help me to practice |
| 19:47 | jaskirat | <walterbender> ah yes... any type of marketing designing help i can do ? |
| 19:47 | walterbender | cristian99garcia: your participation has been a great help |
| 19:47 | thx | |
| 19:48 | jaskirat | i think after the working with MusicBlocks ....... |
| 19:48 | kipply | I also love doing graphics~ |
| 19:49 | walterbender | jaskirat: samsongoddy had talked bout convening a marktetting team meeting |
| 19:49 | maybe we can do that as soon as GCI wraps up | |
| 19:49 | samsongoddy | I have to go now |
| 19:49 | walterbender | OK |
| 19:49 | jaskirat | Yes...that should be ...got so much of stuffs for it ....just waiting to implement it |
| 19:50 | walterbender | thanks everyone for coming today |
| 19:50 | samsongoddy | jaskirat, i will work with you on marketing |
| 19:50 | walterbender | I'll send out an email summary |
| 19:50 | kipply | @samsongoddy ping me about such a meeting too? Thanks~ |
| 19:50 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
| 19:50 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Jan 5 19:50:31 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:50 | jaskirat | <samsongoddy> sure ...waiting to see you ahead |
| 19:50 | meeting | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-05T19:02:42.html |
| 19:50 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-01-05T19:02:42 | |
| 19:50 | CanoeBerry | Samson large earlier expenditures have been published to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance and according to SFC $2550 has already been allocated to Samson above and beyond what SLOBS actually voted for @ http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/020184.html ("$2000 SFC prepurchase of |
| 19:50 | an airline ticket and $550 towards local transport") | |
| 19:51 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: Please reread the spreadsheet. There was almost no cost associated with the SF weekend |
| 19:52 | there was a lot of expense in Nigeria and Dubai | |
| 19:52 | the Nigeria expenses are crazy but I don't know how they could have been avoided | |
| 19:53 | the Dubia expenses are directly related to our not letting Samson take the original flights he found | |
| 19:53 | CanoeBerry | I do, I've done it. In any case, we have a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes prudent spending. |
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| 19:53 | walterbender | we saved no $ by forcing himn to change and made the travel onerous |
| 19:53 | CanoeBerry | Not true. |
| 19:54 | walterbender | the numbers speak for themselves |
| 19:54 | show me the line item for $500 spending in SF? | |
| 19:54 | CanoeBerry | Sorry, that's simply not true that saving approx $500-to-$1000 on airfare does not help Sugar Labs. |
| 19:54 | walterbender | so me the savings over the original flight by rebooking through Dubai and hjaving a crazy layover |
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| 19:55 | walterbender | $1000 is a gross exaggeration |
| 19:55 | CanoeBerry | If saving Sugar Labs $500-to-1000 is not worth, for a few hours in an airport, there's nothing more to say here. |
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| 19:57 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: first, you have not demonstrated that it was a $1000 savings; (2) the "few" hours was in the doubel digits (3) we are talking about a minor, not an adult, |
| 19:57 | but I am done arguing about this when you pull numbers out of the air. | |
| 19:58 | samson provided a spreadsheet with the details reviewed by the SFC | |
| 19:58 | if you have specific concerns about the spreadsheet I am all ears, but not this handwaving | |
| 19:59 | CanoeBerry | Samson's earlier flight numbers are widely circulated. Substantially more than $500 was saved and everybody knows it. |
| 19:59 | walterbender | I am not happy that the trip was so expensive, but I think it was worhtwhile |
| 19:59 | for the community and for Samson | |
| 20:00 | CanoeBerry: I don't know it | |
| 20:00 | CanoeBerry | Read the many emails with Samsonthen. Then after $500+ was saved, the budget ballooned upwards and upwards and upwards beyond $2550, even when the light itself was only. |
| 20:01 | *flight itself was only 1279.14 according to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance | |
| 20:01 | walterbender | and the original flight? |
| 20:01 | and the cost in Dubai? | |
| 20:01 | seems like a wash at best to me | |
| 20:02 | so I think your assertions do not hold water | |
| 20:02 | CanoeBerry | Up to $2000 was allocated to Samson's flight. See his original requests which were very close to that. |
| 20:02 | You don't have any of the facts in front of you clearly. Apologies that's indeed what's happened. | |
| 20:03 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: I see we are depending on your recollections and assertions. but none of that matters, because he took the flight you chose for him |
| 20:03 | and the expenses reflect that | |
| 20:03 | so I am still at a lose as to undertsand your point' | |
| 20:03 | CanoeBerry | It's all in writing, if you cared to look at Samson's emails. |
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| 20:04 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: Again no idea of the relevance, but I will dig through the emails again when I get back to my computer. |
| 20:04 | meanwhile I need to go. | |
| 20:05 | CanoeBerry | The point it that Sugar Labs already spent $2550 - 1279.14 = 1270.86 BEYOND Samson's flights, despite only having voted for $550. And yet more is requested, for a wkd that SL approved in SF. |
| 20:07 | Again, we have a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes cautionary expenditures, and I understand others have more free-spending ways. This will not change. | |
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| 20:19 | llaske | Sorry, can't join in time |
| 20:20 | Will answer by e-mail but: | |
| 20:20 | +1 for GSoC participation: it's important for the community and to improve our software | |
| 20:22 | -1 for Samson motion: as CanoeBerry say, we spent already too much money on Samson trip | |
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