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| 12:55 | walterbender | hi tony37 |
| 12:55 | Hrishi | Hello people! |
| 12:56 | walterbender | tony37, did you get the invite I sent this morning? |
| 12:56 | tony37 | hi, all |
| 12:56 | Hrishi | Almost 13UTC :D |
| 12:56 | walterbender | hi Hrishi |
| 12:57 | tony37 | I don't think so. Lionel believes this is a problem with gmail |
| 12:57 | walterbender | tony37, I have found in the past that gmail addresses work better for google services |
| 12:58 | did you check your spam folder? | |
| 12:58 | Hrishi | I have rated proposals |
| 12:59 | tony37 | the problem is some filter in gmail which blocks my email service usa.net. If I send with tonyolenepal.org, it goes through because that is a gmail account |
| 13:00 | walterbender | tony37, I sent an invite to tonyolenepal.prg about 1 hour ago |
| 13:01 | Hrishi, thanks for rating the proposals. | |
| 13:01 | anyway, let's get started | |
| 13:01 | is under the weather... a touch of the flu... so he'd like to keep this meeting brief | |
| 13:02 | Hrishi | okay! |
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| 13:02 | Hrishi | hello llaske |
| 13:03 | llaske | Hi all |
| 13:03 | walterbender | I just want to (1) make sure everyone has access to the proposals and the spreadsheet; (2) make sure we have some consensus on process; and (3) ensure we have a baseline for Google re the number of slots we want |
| 13:03 | I think tony37 is the only one still with problems accessing proposals? | |
| 13:03 | tony37 has quit IRC | |
| 13:04 | walterbender | wants to get cjl access to the i18n proposals as well. |
| 13:04 | Hrishi | walterbender: When should I start clicking "I want to mentor" button |
| 13:04 | already did that (about a few days ago) with some projects | |
| 13:04 | walterbender | Hrishi, you are welcome to click on that any time |
| 13:04 | Hrishi | okay |
| 13:05 | llaske | The most important is that for each projects we've got at least one mentor at end |
| 13:05 | walterbender | Hrishi, maybe you can use a background color to indicate this in the spreadsheet as well? |
| 13:05 | llaske, +1 | |
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| 13:05 | walterbender | and I think we cannot spread ourselves too thin |
| 13:06 | last year we had 6 projects -- one of which was a fail | |
| 13:06 | but that was not because of lack of mentoring | |
| 13:07 | fyi, we ended up with 11 additional applications to Outreachy | |
| 13:07 | Hrishi | There was a lack of mentors, where most of the projects are originated this time. |
| 13:07 | walterbender: The project Sugar on RPI... | |
| 13:07 | walterbender | Hrishi, I haven't been too aggressive re recruiting mentors yet |
| 13:08 | llaske | walterbender could you explain the process about Outreachy, it don't count for GSoC token ? |
| 13:08 | walterbender | I am more interested at this stage to ensure strong proposals |
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| 13:08 | walterbender | and then we can find mentors |
| 13:08 | Hrishi | I think it will be pretty easy if one found the waym I think it is only lacking config |
| 13:08 | walterbender | llaske, it is a separate headcount |
| 13:09 | llaske | So we will not ask token for proposal marked "Outreachy" ? |
| 13:12 | Hrishi | I am getting a RPI for Sugar on RPI proposal |
| 13:12 | walterbender | llaske, yes... we don't count that one |
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| 13:13 | walterbender | we may get another "free" slot from Outreachy |
| 13:13 | pikurasa | hi |
| 13:13 | walterbender | but I don't know yet |
| 13:14 | hi pikurasa | |
| 13:14 | Hrishi | hello pikurasa |
| 13:14 | walterbender | I think the next step is to ensure we have quality (over quantity) |
| 13:14 | abhijitp | hi all, sorry for being late :) |
| 13:15 | walterbender | so the reviewing process is very important |
| 13:15 | this channel is logged so you can read the backlog | |
| 13:16 | pikurasa | Just to verify, on the spreadsheet 5 is "best" and "1" is "lowest" quality--correct? |
| 13:16 | walterbender | pikurasa, yes |
| 13:16 | Hrishi | We do count 0, dont we? |
| 13:16 | llaske | I've put 0 for out of subject propsal |
| 13:17 | pikurasa | walterbender: so does it make sense to accept anything lower than 3? Maybe not accept 3 either... just 4 and 5 proposals |
| 13:17 | Hrishi | Hey, for Use Manual for MB, do we have to tell the student what paltform are they gonna build? I mean, can they select Joomla! Wordpress, etc? |
| 13:17 | walterbender | pikurasa, I think we need to be very selective |
| 13:18 | Hrishi, whatever they choose needs to be viewable in the Sugar Browser | |
| 13:18 | e.g., no FLASH | |
| 13:18 | pikurasa | Hrishi: we do not need to tell them exactly what to use. It should be something they are already familiar with. |
| 13:18 | Hrishi | they also have to see if the website is viewable on Mobile |
| 13:18 | walterbender | I would like to defer discussion of individual proposals today |
| 13:19 | pikurasa | Most candidates already demonstrated how they envision it to be. |
| 13:19 | Hrishi | pikurasa : yes |
| 13:19 | pikurasa | And yes, FLASH = EVIL (until the day they put it under a free license) |
| 13:19 | Hrishi: I think everyone is sensitive to that nowadays, but we can remind them. | |
| 13:20 | llaske | At first we must more have a judgment about quality of proposal instead of the proposed solution |
| 13:20 | walterbender | llaske, +1 |
| 13:20 | llaske | proposed solution is to differentiate between two equal proposal |
| 13:20 | walterbender | the quality of the student is the most important criteria |
| 13:21 | and I think we want to think about contributions to the community | |
| 13:21 | and whether there is evidence this will be a longer term commitment | |
| 13:21 | Hrishi | "Summer of Code 2017/Music Blocks for Mobile" I doubt the platform selected. (iOS) |
| 13:22 | pikurasa | Hrishi: I did not really understand that proposal. Why did they just talk about iOS??? |
| 13:22 | walterbender | Hrishi, please make your comments on individual proposals in the spreadsheet |
| 13:22 | llaske | on contributions I'm more skeptical because lot of students sent dummy PR just before the end of submission |
| 13:22 | Hrishi | okay walterbender |
| 13:22 | pikurasa | llaske: what is "dummy PR"? |
| 13:22 | Hrishi | pikurasa, one the top, he has written iOS |
| 13:22 | walterbender | llaske, I think it is pretty clear to maintainers which contributions are more substantial |
| 13:23 | llaske | I'm calling dummy PR a PR just to change a CSS file for example :-) |
| 13:23 | pikurasa | or Pull Request... I get it |
| 13:23 | walterbender | e.g., we have a few Music Blocks contributors who have make many substantial contributions |
| 13:23 | pikurasa | Not Public Relations... gotta take my entrepreneur hat off. |
| 13:23 | llaske | :-D |
| 13:25 | walterbender | right now we have 7 proposals >= 4.0 |
| 13:25 | one is already selected for Outreachy. | |
| 13:25 | pikurasa | From the proposals that were submitted for MB mobile I am doubtful that we have the quality proposal expected for the project to run this summer, IMO. |
| 13:26 | walterbender | so I proposal letting Google know we want 6 slots minimum and ask for 3 extras that we may fill? |
| 13:26 | make sense? | |
| 13:26 | abhijitp | +1 |
| 13:27 | walterbender | re Outreachy, only 1 of the proposals that was unique to Outreachy was worth accepting. |
| 13:27 | pikurasa | walterbender: that makes sense. We try to fill in our 4+ proposals first |
| 13:27 | walterbender | I am hoping we get an extra slot for that one since we cannot assign it in GSoC |
| 13:28 | Hrishi | I am not aware anything about slots :( |
| 13:28 | walterbender | Hrishi, we have to let Google know how many slots we want for GSoC (min and max) |
| 13:28 | pikurasa | walterbender: one high quality student proposed to both Outreachy and GSoC--how do you decide whether they are placed for outreachy or GSoC? |
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| 13:28 | walterbender | and we have 1 guaranteed slot for Outreachy with the possibility of one extra |
| 13:29 | pikurasa, it is a bit tricky | |
| 13:29 | It would be perhaps better for us to put the top proposal into the GSoC bin since we can then ensure the Outreachy-only proposal | |
| 13:30 | but since there is a significant difference in the stipend between Outreachy and GSoC, I think it is not fair to the student | |
| 13:30 | pikurasa | BTW, I do not seem to see a 4/14/2017 log for sugar-meeting on http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-meeting/meetings |
| 13:30 | walterbender | we need to award the Outreachy slit to the best proposal |
| 13:31 | pikurasa, /me looks | |
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| 13:31 | llaske | Sorry was deconnected |
| 13:32 | walterbender | pikurasa, not sure why... thought it was automatic |
| 13:32 | pikurasa | walterbender: the outreachy stipend is higher than the GSoC stipend? |
| 13:32 | walterbender | pikurasa, I will share the backlog |
| 13:32 | pikurasa, Google changed its stipend this year | |
| 13:32 | pikurasa | I thought there was a meeting on command walterbender |
| 13:33 | walterbender | pikurasa, there is... but the channel also used to log automatically |
| 13:33 | Hrishi | it is based on something called PPP |
| 13:33 | walterbender | Hrishi, yes. the idea is to make the stipend the same for everyone |
| 13:33 | in terms of purchasing power | |
| 13:33 | so the places where there are higher costs of living get a higher stipend | |
| 13:34 | Outreachy uses the same stipend everywhere | |
| 13:34 | pikurasa | huh... okay... |
| 13:34 | walterbender | so depending upon where you live, the stipend can vary by as much as 3x |
| 13:34 | pikurasa | I will table all my thoughts on this for later... |
| 13:34 | walterbender | it is documented somewhere in the GSoC pages |
| 13:35 | llaske | Guess minimum is 2600$ and max is 6600$ |
| 13:35 | walterbender | something like that |
| 13:35 | llaske | 2200$ may be |
| 13:35 | pikurasa | At any rate, we want the Outreachy stipend to go to they best proposal. |
| 13:35 | walterbender | and Outreachy is ~$5500 for everyone |
| 13:35 | Hrishi | $500 goes to organization? |
| 13:35 | Min is 2400 | |
| 13:35 | walterbender | so it is much better to get an Outreachy internship for most students |
| 13:36 | abhijitp | GSOC stipends list here on https://developers.google.com/[…]/student-stipends |
| 13:36 | walterbender | still, I think it is only fair to base our decisions on the quality |
| 13:36 | and that is what we did for Outreachy | |
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| 13:37 | llaske | Hi Michaël |
| 13:37 | walterbender | BTW, is this time going to work for everyone for the weekly update meetings this summer? |
| 13:37 | mohayon | Hi llaske, Hi everyone |
| 13:37 | walterbender | hi mohayon |
| 13:38 | pikurasa | walterbender: it should work for me. If that changes, I will let you know. |
| 13:39 | llaske | not the better time but it could work |
| 13:39 | walterbender | llaske, would you prefer earlier or later? |
| 13:39 | or a different day? | |
| 13:39 | Hrishi | Can I be mentor for Outreachy too walterbender, llaske? |
| 13:40 | walterbender | Hrishi, I think we have that covered for the moment... but if we get the extra slot, yes. |
| 13:40 | llaske | My favorite time is the time for SLOB meeting but if we stay at this time my preference is for another day (Wednesday for example) |
| 13:40 | Hrishi | okay :D |
| 13:41 | walterbender | anyone else have a preference? |
| 13:41 | FYI, the SLOB time is 19UTC | |
| 13:41 | (6 hours after this meeting time) | |
| 13:41 | Hrishi | 19UTC is too late here |
| 13:41 | walterbender | I thought so |
| 13:41 | llaske, what about Mondays? | |
| 13:42 | llaske | Yes, okay |
| 13:42 | walterbender | pikurasa, does that work for you? Monday at 13UTC? (9am ET) |
| 13:42 | pikurasa | Mondays would be problematic for me until mid-May |
| 13:43 | After mid-May, then I can do Monday's | |
| 13:43 | llaske | mohayon I guess there is one issue with the Raphael TEYSSANDIER proposal ? Did you see it ? |
| 13:43 | walterbender | pikurasa, it will be OK... we can work out a separate time for the individual mentor meetings |
| 13:44 | mohayon | Yes, the document seems to be truncated, the draft is up to date |
| 13:44 | pikurasa | walterbender: okay, sounds good. |
| 13:45 | walterbender | mohayon, not cut off for me... |
| 13:45 | 11 pages | |
| 13:46 | tony37 | A Google inviation arrived five minutes ago. I am now a mentor. |
| 13:46 | walterbender | tony37, +1 |
| 13:46 | llaske | the final has only 1 page for me |
| 13:46 | walterbender | I can send it to you both. |
| 13:46 | llaske | thought the draft has 5 |
| 13:47 | Great tony37 ! | |
| 13:47 | mohayon | Same for me, final pdf has only one page for Raphael TEYSSANDIER while draft has more |
| 13:47 | tony37 | Now perhaps I can see the proposals. |
| 13:48 | walterbender | mohayon, llaske I just sent the PDF with 11 pages by email |
| 13:49 | llaske | walterbender it's not this one, I talked about https://summerofcode.withgoogl[…]4957188710727680/ |
| 13:49 | walterbender | anything else for today? |
| 13:50 | pikurasa | I do not have anything more to talk about. walterbender maybe you can review the upcoming deadlines? |
| 13:50 | walterbender | llaske, oh... that one is incomplete |
| 13:50 | llaske | I've seen your comment so I thought you've judge on the incomplete version :-) |
| 13:50 | pikurasa | We have until 4/24 to decide |
| 13:50 | https://developers.google.com/[…]rce/gsoc/timeline | |
| 13:51 | walterbender | pikurasa, we hear back from Google re slots midweek |
| 13:51 | then we decide | |
| 13:51 | pikurasa | May 4th is the announcement for students |
| 13:51 | walterbender | no need to meet next week. |
| 13:51 | pikurasa | walterbender: midweek = middle of next week? |
| 13:51 | walterbender | pikurasa, yes |
| 13:52 | Hrishi | after GSOC starts, meetings would be more frequent? |
| 13:52 | walterbender | it is important to indicate your willingness to mentor on any proposal we may accept |
| 13:52 | llaske | walterbender, when we decided how many tokens we asked ? |
| 13:52 | ask | |
| 13:52 | walterbender | Hrishi, yes... once per week |
| 13:52 | llaske, I think we should ask for 6 | |
| 13:52 | pikurasa | walterbender: do we need to select "want to mentor" now? |
| 13:53 | Or after the slot number has been chosen? | |
| 13:53 | walterbender | Hrishi, and daily meetings with individual students |
| 13:53 | pikurasa, I think it helps us re Google to show our interests | |
| 13:53 | llaske | how you count 6 ? |
| 13:53 | walterbender | llaske, from the >= 4.0 |
| 13:53 | pikurasa | walterbender: Okay, I will add the "want to mentor" for the 4+ students now |
| 13:53 | walterbender | there are 7 |
| 13:53 | but one is Outreacht | |
| 13:54 | 7-1=6 | |
| 13:54 | Hrishi | pikurasa: I already did with some |
| 13:54 | pikurasa | Hrishi: cool |
| 13:54 | Hrishi | :D |
| 13:55 | llaske | Okay so I think we must have 7 "want to mentor" on the GSoC dashboard too |
| 13:55 | Everyone should fill the Want to mentor so we could validate the number of tokens asked | |
| 13:55 | walterbender | yes |
| 13:56 | also, having multiple mentors per proposal is a good thing | |
| 13:56 | so don't worry about overlap | |
| 13:57 | llaske | yes, it's interesting to have co-mentor |
| 13:57 | walterbender | is fading... going to go back to bed to try to kick this flu bug |
| 13:58 | I will send the backlog to the list since it didn't seem to log. | |
| 13:58 | llaske | I'm going to check to "want to mentor" on the dashboard, I will use the "starred" flag to check it |
| 13:59 | pikurasa | walterbender: Oh no! Hope you feel better! |
| 13:59 | llaske | So please, every mentor, ensure in following hours that you have the "want to mentor" set |
| 13:59 | Hrishi | walterbender, pikurasa: I don't fully know how to use MB, but can I also mentor that User Manual for MB proposals, just to help for website or else |
| 14:00 | llaske | I will do the check tonight (our tomorrow for some of you) |
| 14:00 | walterbender | thanks all |
| 14:00 | Hrishi | llaske, I just have to select proposals I want to, that's all? |
| 14:00 | walterbender : Thanks and welcome | |
| 14:01 | pikurasa | Hrishi: sure, it would be nice to have your input as well |
| 14:01 | llaske | Yes, just mention "Want to mentor" on selected proposal |
| 14:02 | pikurasa | Okay, so are we done for today? |
| 14:02 | so that walterbender can sip tea (not coffee) and rest/recover? | |
| 14:03 | Thank you, team sugar! :) | |
| 14:03 | Hrishi | okay, then |
| 14:04 | llaske | thanks to all |
| 14:04 | tony37 | bye |
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| 14:04 | llaske | guess we need to close the meeting |
| 14:04 | Hrishi | llaske, pikurasa, tony37m walterbender : Bye, thanks! |
| 14:04 | walterbender | bye.. |
| 14:04 | I will let everyone know when we hear back re slots | |
| 14:05 | pikurasa | thanks, bye |
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