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#sugar-meeting, 2017-03-03

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19:01 ignacio- Hi everyone
19:02 Quozl`_ hi hi hi!
19:02 ignacio- Walter is going to be late, so, should we start the meeting?
19:02 kaametza` is now known as kaametza
19:02 ignacio- #start-meeting
19:02 meeting Meeting started Fri Mar  3 19:02:41 2017 UTC. The chair is ignacio-. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
19:02 kaametza hi all!
19:03 ignacio- hi kaametza
19:03 Quozl`_ james cameron here as observer.
19:03 kaametza hi James :D
19:03 samsongoddy hello
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19:03 ignacio- Hi everyone that joined :)
19:03 sverma Hello!
19:04 llaske hi all
19:04 Quozl`_ sverma: hello.
19:04 llaske: hello.
19:04 Ibiam hello
19:04 Quozl`_ Ibiam: hello.
19:04 elih Hi everyone! I'm here as an observer as well.
19:04 kaametza nice to see so much quorum :D
19:04 ignacio- As I said earlier Walter is going to be late, so he asked me to start the meeting
19:04 Quozl`_ elih: hello.
19:04 Ibiam hi Quozl`_
19:05 ignacio- Let's go through the topics that were described in the mail.
19:05 #topic status of Outreachy and Google Summer of Code programs
19:06 llaske the good news, we're in gsoc
19:07 Ibiam yep, hurray
19:07 ignacio- Sugar Labs agreed to participate in Outreachy as seen in https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreac[…]August#Sugar_Labs
19:07 Anyone has news regarding Outreachy?
19:08 kaametza Someone asked if more possible projects were possible at Outreachy, maybe get more than 1 intern is possible in taht way..
19:09 so far I don't understan very well how the program works
19:09 llaske it means twice stipend
19:09 Ibiam well we only have music blocks as our program
19:09 ignacio- I think that we should "try" it first, and see how it goes
19:09 Ibiam *project
19:10 kaametza +1 ignacio
19:10 samsongoddy the problem is funding the project
19:10 +1 ignacio-
19:11 Ibiam i don't think funding is a problem
19:11 ignacio- Sugar Labs has the money, but I don't think if we should spend a lot in something that we don't know that is going to work
19:11 llaske yes in my opinion it's too expensive but majority said yes
19:11 kaametza I mean there are more projects listed at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Outreachy than in https://wiki.gnome.org/Outreac[…]August#Sugar_Labs
19:12 Ibiam maybe we need just one intern
19:12 samsongoddy I don't really know how the program works
19:13 yeah what you saw there are projects for gsoc
19:13 Ibiam kaametza ,those projects are for summer of code
19:13 "We have a number of projects in mind for the summer of 2017 (see the table below), but for Outreachy, we will be focusing on the Music Block projects."
19:14 kaametza Oh I got there by clicking on the link at the text "Internship projects"
19:14 at the Gnome/Outreachy program...
19:14 llaske i think candidates should fill the same template than the one for gsoc
19:15 kaametza llaske, sorry but I'm not familiar with such a template, do you have a link?
19:16 llaske not here, it's on the wiki.
19:18 kaametza oh ok
19:19 ignacio- moving to GSOC, Sugar Labs has been accepted!
19:20 Walter already sent some invitations to mentors; but if you are interested to be one let me know
19:20 kaametza great newes! let's hope we get many slots this year :D
19:21 ignacio- Mentors needs to be >=13 years old; and obviously familiar with Sugar Labs // the project that gets accepted
19:22 llaske and have technical background
19:23 kaametza ignacio, it would be nice to let mentor know in advance if Google stipends for mentors are going to get distributed this year
19:24 ignacio- I'm not aware of that, but last year the stipends were not, afaik
19:24 Ibiam i think it was distributed to students
19:24 part of it
19:25 ignacio- I don't know, I did not participate as mentor last year; can you confirm llaske?
19:25 llaske i guess we already voted on that last year
19:26 kaametza CanoeBerry, may help us know if Sugar labs actually colleted them :D
19:27 *collected
19:28 llaske, ignacio is there a formal evaulation/results of last year program?
19:28 ignacio- I don't know to be honest. Can someone tell?
19:29 llaske on my side the result is sugarizer os
19:30 samsongoddy which i just tested
19:30 kaametza congrats for that llaske, it certainly sounds good :D
19:30 will test and let you know
19:31 llaske congrats to the student and to Michael its mentor
19:32 samsongoddy a great achievement from the community
19:33 llaske will be good to have result for each project
19:34 kaametza +1 llaske
19:34 llaske we need to be more vigilant on token allocation
19:35 samsongoddy ??
19:36 llaske so we need to evaluate both the quality of the student proposal and the interest of the project
19:36 i think we need to do a collective review of projects ideas
19:37 Ibiam yep....like Caryl has been talking about
19:38 kaametza +1 llaske  it would be easier if all dialogs took place in the same place, like for example at Sugar Devel
19:40 ignacio- moving to the next topic
19:40 #topic "Badges" proposal
19:40 kaametza: can you explain us what is this proposal? and why is it important/how will it impact in SL community
19:41 kaametza ignacio, this proposal is part of the requirement for a Marketing and Funding Plan
19:41 I believe internal communications require attention and effort, specially to keep active contributors
19:42 #https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Badges
19:42 #link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Open_Badges
19:43 Quozl`_ briefly as not an observer "i support this plan but will self exclude".
19:43 goes back to observing
19:43 kaametza ignacio, did you get to research on the implementation alternatives?
19:44 ignacio- I didn't, I haven't been active doing SugarLabs stuff/stuff in general
19:44 kaametza sorry to hear that...
19:44 samsongoddy i think it is a good idea, but what i am afraid is the funds
19:44 ignacio- 9 badges, 500 usd, = 4500 USD
19:44 We need more opinions here
19:45 samsongoddy like Abente mentioned, how can we make sure we don't go bankrupt
19:45 ignacio- I could think of someone joining sugarlabs just to get money in a future, and I don't think SugarLabs works like that
19:45 Ibiam well I'll go with what Caryl has been saying in the thread
19:45 +1 ignacio
19:46 kaametza ignacio, may I ask you why you haven't been active doing Sugarlabs stuff?
19:46 Ibiam i also think that it reduces our funds with a vague picture of it's impact in the coming months/years
19:46 kaametza Would it make a difference if you had an alternative for a monthy stipend?
19:47 ignacio- not really, because I don't consider this as a job
19:47 I haven't been active due to problems with my family/ -- not having the tools to develop or just vacations
19:47 sverma All of these point to incentives, and as a FOSS project, it's hard to incentivize using funds, especially on an ongoing basis. I can understand a one time award, but to propagate it monthly does not make sense.
19:47 kaametza so, you are just not interested in the Open Badges implementation anymore?
19:48 ignacio- I'm interested on the badges, maybe the stipend is not really necesary
19:48 kaametza maybe not for everybody... but for some may be
19:48 ignacio- one time award sounds ok I guess
19:49 Having a static budget for badgets may be better
19:49 like $5000 for stipends, once that is over just give the badges away
19:50 samsongoddy kaametza, are there any plans for financial backup
19:50 kaametza Ignacio, I agree with fixed budget, but didn't get the "give the badges away"
19:51 ignacio- I'm thinking about the badges as something like badges.fedoraproject.org
19:51 Something symbolic
19:51 give the badges away = Just the badge, no stipend
19:51 also onetime only stipend as sverma said
19:52 kaametza ok
19:52 samsongoddy https://badges.fedoraproject.org/about we are not there yet
19:53 we are not as big as fedora
19:53 kaametza I'mpromoting the idea that each Badge holder can decide if he/she wants to receive the Stipend or not
19:53 I guess it will work under a fixed Buget with fixed number of slots per round
19:54 At the end it would be up to the nominee to receive the Stipend or to decline it and send it back to the General funds
19:55 it's an ideal scenario for both types of contributors
19:55 samsongoddy i think my questions are ignored
19:55 sverma The badge is a concept to honor someone's contribution. Any money attached to it is also to add value to that honor. If the problem is to gain money, then this is not the way to solve that problem. I realize that it varies for everybody, but employment solves that specific problem, not stipends.
19:56 Ibiam +1 sverma
19:56 kaametza sorry sverma but in my opinion contractual labor relationships are not the best fit for a project like Sugar
19:57 samsongoddy, this relates to your question
19:57 Sugarlabs can get Sponsors for Open Badges if we have a solid design for the program
19:58 sverma kaametza: Indeed. I wasn't suggesting employment with sugarlabs, but the concept of employment in general.
19:58 samsongoddy if that is possible to get sponsors, then i see nothing wrong with the proposal
19:59 llaske good idea
20:00 kaametza samsongoddy, I believe marketing and funding teams will be able to work in this direction with the content that will be generated from the program pilot proposed...
20:00 Ibiam what i think sverma is saying is, someone might try to be an active contributor just for stipends, making it seem like a job
20:01 Quozl`_ (yet you allow GCI and GsoC)
20:01 kaametza Sponsors (like harware producers for example) may find attractive a well tought incentive program
20:01 sverma Quozl: GSoC and GCI are external to SL.
20:02 Quozl`_ sverma: funding source, yes, but functionally no; SL has huge control and the contributors are speculative investors; it shows in their actions.
20:03 kaametza I believe the more detailed we are with the program the better material we will have to go out and ask for Sponsors :D
20:03 Still, to get to that point we need to test a pilot and evaluate the results
20:04 sverma Quozl: The incentives model comes from Google, and SL participates. We don't fund it.
20:04 kaametza I can only think of positive outcomes out of this proposal
20:05 so I invite you to read the wiki page and discuss in detail any idea you guys have to improve it
20:05 ignacio- I guess we can try it. We "just" could lose $4500 or less
20:06 samsongoddy +1
20:07 kaametza I'm proposing to present a motion on the next SLOBs meeting with the Budget that will depending on how many of the nominees would agree to the monetary award
20:07 ignacio- okay, awesome
20:07 moving to next topic
20:07 #topic (3) plans, goals, aspirations
20:07 samsongoddy membership committee topic
20:07 ignacio- doesn't have anything to say but to listen/read
20:08 samsongoddy There was a motion to vote Ibiam to Membership committee
20:08 Since I, ignacio and Laura are both in SLOBS
20:09 kaametza taking about plans, I have also started a proposal to mantain up to date a Sugar Labs official Calendar
20:09 samsongoddy, you have the motion ready/
20:10 samsongoddy motion
20:10 ?
20:10 kaametza to vote Ibiam to Membership committee
20:11 samsongoddy yes
20:11 it was mention earlier last month via mail
20:11 ignacio- That's the next topic afaik.
20:11 We are in "(3) plans, goals, aspirations"; has someone something to say?
20:12 kaametza ignacio, ok so to wrap up the calendar idea, one motion I would like to get approved today is to have as fiexd date, the second friday of each december of every year, for SLOBs elections to take place
20:12 samsongoddy i think we are still waiting for sverma concerning that area
20:12 kaametza *fixed
20:13 Ibiam got to go
20:13 bye everyone
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20:13 ignacio- second friday of each december?
20:13 oh
20:13 kaametza yes
20:13 sverma samsongoddy: I'll post something to that effect shortly.
20:13 samsongoddy thanks
20:14 kaametza in that way all comunitie will be aware of elections deadlines with enough time ahead
20:14 ignacio- kaametza: thats fine by me, please share tthat to the slobs/sugar to see what other thinks
20:14 sverma I have to leave. I have to go to another meeting.
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20:15 kaametza ignacio, we are running out of qourum here so I will share it by IAEP
20:15 samsongoddy okay bye
20:16 ignacio- okay. Should we discuss the ibiam topic in next meeting or by email?
20:16 kaametza: not regarding the meeting, have you used https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]or_funding_travel before?
20:16 kaametza +1 ignacio, thanks for chairing the meeting and I congratulate you as your English has improved a lot :D
20:16 ignacio- thanks
20:16 samsongoddy by mail
20:17 ignacio- okay, so lets continue this through mail.
20:17 Thanks everyone for joining ;)
20:17 #end-meeting
20:17 meeting Meeting ended Fri Mar  3 20:17:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
20:17 samsongoddy jajaja
20:17 meeting Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-03T19:02:41.html
20:17 Log:     http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]17-03-03T19:02:41
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20:18 kaametza ignacio, I'm familiar with the procedure but have not use it personally, may I ask why you ask?
20:18 samsongoddy bye everyone
20:18 llaske bye
20:18 ignacio- kaametza: will pm you
20:19 kaametza ok bye samsongoddy, llaske and ignacio thanks for your times
20:19 samsongoddy kaametza great plan
20:19 sure bye
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