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| 18:59 | walterbender | any SLOB members here? |
| 19:00 | ignacio | Hello |
| 19:00 | walterbender | hi ignacio |
| 19:00 | samsongoddy | Hello |
| 19:01 | hi, walter | |
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| 19:02 | andres_aguirre | hi! |
| 19:03 | CanoeBerry | Hi, am on a very intermittent cellular connection overseas. |
| 19:03 | walterbender | hi samsongoddy andres_aguirre |
| 19:03 | waiting for one more SLOB member | |
| 19:03 | oh... we have a quorum | |
| 19:03 | #start-meeting | |
| 19:03 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Feb 3 19:03:57 2017 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 19:04 | walterbender | hello and welcome to Ignacio, Samson, and Laura |
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| 19:04 | walterbender | and thanks to JM, Claudia, and Tony for their service to SLOB |
| 19:04 | #topic GSoC | |
| 19:05 | We have completed our application. Lionel and I are the administrators. | |
| 19:06 | We need more projects though | |
| 19:06 | ignacio | When are accepted orgs announced? |
| 19:06 | walterbender | I don't remember... in a few weeks I am guessing |
| 19:06 | ignacio | We can take some from past year |
| 19:06 | walterbender | only if they are relevant |
| 19:07 | ignacio | I don't know what is "relevant" anymore, are we just focusing on JavaScript -- sugarizer stuff, or sugar it self? |
| 19:07 | walterbender | With so few projects, I am guessing we will not get more than 1-2 slots |
| 19:08 | ignacio, Sugar, I hope | |
| 19:08 | CanoeBerry | Thx to Walter & Samson who updated http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board with 3 news members, and honoring 3 old members. |
| 19:08 | walterbender | ignacio, maybe a project to finish up gtk3 and gst1.0 conversion? |
| 19:08 | samsongoddy | GCI was fun |
| 19:08 | ignacio | Is it summer worthy? |
| 19:09 | walterbender | it would be if they really get all the core projects converted |
| 19:09 | it is a lot of busy work but important | |
| 19:09 | we cannot count on gtk2 or gst0.1 support much longer | |
| 19:09 | ignacio | A fun project would be to make all gtk2 activities to work in newer sugar versions |
| 19:10 | walterbender | ignacio, are there missing dependencies? |
| 19:10 | pikurasa | MB for python could always be a project. |
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| 19:10 | ignacio | Hulahop as example |
| 19:10 | kaametza | hello all |
| 19:10 | samsongoddy | hello |
| 19:11 | kaametza | thanks for the welcome walterbender |
| 19:12 | walterbender | pikurasa, for Python and Csound |
| 19:12 | kaametza | ignacio, I would also like to focus on a second version of the Sugar Network |
| 19:12 | it's documented as the Huayruro project | |
| 19:12 | walterbender | kaametza, please write up a project description |
| 19:12 | ignacio | #link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]017#Project_Ideas |
| 19:12 | walterbender | and add it to wiki.sl.o/go/GSoC/2017 |
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| 19:14 | pikurasa | walterbender: +1 Happy to help mentor python/Csound MB |
| 19:15 | walterbender | pikurasa, great |
| 19:15 | any other thoughts re GSoC? | |
| 19:15 | kaametza | walterbender, can you repeat that second link please |
| 19:15 | ignacio | We don't have to think about mentors yet, no? |
| 19:16 | walterbender | #link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2017 |
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| 19:16 | kaametza | thx |
| 19:17 | walterbender | ignacio, I assume that people proposing projects want to be mentors |
| 19:18 | kaametza | walterbender, can you share a copy of the application? |
| 19:18 | walterbender | kaametza, I can try... it is not very easy from their web interface. |
| 19:19 | pretty generic stuff | |
| 19:19 | kaametza | thanks in advance |
| 19:20 | I just have little experience with the submitting projects and would like to learn more | |
| 19:22 | anyhow just if it is possible and not too much work :D | |
| 19:23 | walterbender | kaametza, those details can be negotiated in the process of accepting proposals |
| 19:23 | we have lots of opportunities to provide feedback to the students | |
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| 19:23 | samsongoddy | kaametza, how are the applications going? |
| 19:23 | TymonR | good evening, sorry for being late |
| 19:24 | kaametza | samsongoddy, I am not in actively working on any application for Sugar Labs these days... |
| 19:24 | samsongoddy | Okay because i saw bunch of organisations to apply to. |
| 19:27 | kaametza | samsongoddy, you interested in applying to any particular process? |
| 19:27 | walterbender | kaametza, I send an email attachment with the text from our application |
| 19:27 | kaametza | thx walterbender |
| 19:29 | samsongoddy | There some arguments concerning which organisation we should apply to |
| 19:29 | ignacio | samsongoddy, huh? |
| 19:30 | kaametza | walterbender, hope we get as many slots as possible this year! |
| 19:30 | samsongoddy | walterbender, is it possible to do art contest |
| 19:30 | pikurasa | walterbender: ignacio on another topic (and briefly) I thought it was nice to have the dashboard from GCI saved and published, but we should have told mentors that it would be public. Students are sharing the link and when we were communicating with students I do not think anyone was under the impression that their communications would be made publicly available to the general public. So next time, let's warn people I think. |
| 19:30 | samsongoddy | Ignacio, there were argument in applying to companies like Microsoft |
| 19:31 | walterbender | samsongoddy, sure... an art project that advances Sugar Labs mission is fine |
| 19:31 | pikurasa, we should not have made those conversations public. | |
| 19:32 | just the work itself | |
| 19:32 | and the task list | |
| 19:32 | ignacio | I don't see what's the problem of sharing the conversation? |
| 19:32 | We are not hiding anything | |
| 19:32 | walterbender | ignacio, I am less concerned about the mentors, but the participants are minors and we need to both respect and protect their privacy |
| 19:33 | pikurasa | ignacio: it may violate privacy policy for GCI, too. We should look into it. |
| 19:34 | ignacio | I see, I will hide the comments, however students name should be ok? as seen in https://codein.withgoogle.com/[…]4569708569296896/ Google keeps the students name for each task |
| 19:34 | walterbender | samsongoddy, I don't understand what your point about Microsoft is. |
| 19:35 | ignacio, hiding the comment thread is sufficient, I think | |
| 19:35 | TymonR | |voice out of SLOBs| just FYI, when I was submitting comments in task view there was a statement "Comment will be visible only to you and Sugar Labs" |
| 19:36 | walterbender | ignacio, speaking of GCI, my 4-yr-old grandson loves Mastermind :) |
| 19:36 | (the two -column version) | |
| 19:36 | ignacio | > and Google |
| 19:36 | awesome, was the activity published in aslo? | |
| 19:36 | samsongoddy | There were some arguments about SugarLabs getting funds from Microsoft |
| 19:36 | walterbender | samsongoddy, huh? |
| 19:37 | kaametza | walterbender, any chance you can also share the Google contests privacy terms? |
| 19:37 | pikurasa | TymonR: Thanks for the feedback. Expectations are important. |
| 19:37 | walterbender | kaametza, I presume those are published by Google somewhere. I don't know where off the top of my head. |
| 19:37 | ohnx | kaametza: https://developers.google.com/[…]ces/contest-rules doesn't mention anything about comments |
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| 19:38 | ohnx | does mention the work that is produced, however, but that's mainly for copyright release to the org itself and not whether or not conversations will be public |
| 19:38 | walterbender | ohnx, regardless, our default position should be to respect privacy |
| 19:38 | ohnx | ya |
| 19:38 | some parents might also be disappointed | |
| 19:39 | samsongoddy | There are list of organisations that was set up by kaametza, about potential place on getting funds |
| 19:39 | walterbender | has been the target of some angry parents in the past :P |
| 19:39 | samsongoddy, for GSoC? | |
| 19:40 | samsongoddy | Nope general sponsorship |
| 19:40 | walterbender | can we wrap up the GSoC discussion? |
| 19:40 | anything else? | |
| 19:40 | ignacio | walterbender, really? angry parents about gci or what? |
| 19:40 | walterbender | ignacio, mostly about the decision concerning GPWs |
| 19:40 | not this year | |
| 19:41 | but in years past | |
| 19:41 | kaametza | any news from Lionel and Sameer? |
| 19:41 | pikurasa | walterbender: +1 for default position being privacy respecting. This should be a time when kids can try things out and make mistakes without having to worry about what others think of their work and learning process. |
| 19:41 | walterbender | some parents lobbying very aggressively for their children. |
| 19:41 | ignacio | really? wow |
| 19:42 | walterbender | ignacio, not your mom :) |
| 19:42 | ignacio | :P |
| 19:43 | walterbender | Shall we move on? |
| 19:43 | samsongoddy, you wanted to talk about fundraising? | |
| 19:43 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 19:43 | walterbender | #topic fundraising |
| 19:43 | the floor is yours | |
| 19:44 | samsongoddy | kaametza, can you point me to the list |
| 19:44 | kaametza | I tried the 100&challange application last year, not sure yet if and how to contribute to a new process/convocatory |
| 19:44 | samsongoddy | So that others can see |
| 19:44 | kaametza | Dave and Caryl haven't reported any other application so far |
| 19:45 | would be nice to ask community if anyone interest in contributing to the Fundraising Community this year | |
| 19:46 | samsongoddy | Yeah i am willing on joining too |
| 19:46 | there were issues about Microsoft | |
| 19:46 | kaametza, have that been settled | |
| 19:46 | Ibiam | hello everyone...sorry I'm late |
| 19:47 | kaametza | samsongoddy, the document is open for collaboration at https://titanpad.com/SLFC |
| 19:47 | ohnx | samsongoddy: were you saying that sugar should get funding from microsoft? |
| 19:47 | samsongoddy | I didn't say that |
| 19:48 | that was the debate | |
| 19:48 | kaametza | CanoeBerry, talnkig about funds, is there any prliminar budget for 2017? |
| 19:48 | ohnx | well first, you need to know if microsoft will sponsor sugar :) |
| 19:48 | after all, the environment is based off of linux | |
| 19:50 | Ibiam | did we apply for any? |
| 19:50 | samsongoddy | I am working on a plan to create awareness for future donors |
| 19:51 | ohnx | ask the linux foundation :) |
| 19:51 | CanoeBerry | $ ledger -V -s -S T -d "T&l<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' |
| 19:51 | $ -299,299.52 Income:Sugar | |
| 19:51 | $ 218,316.12 Expenses:Sugar | |
| 19:51 | -------------------- | |
| 19:51 | $ -80,983.40 | |
| 19:52 | kaametza | Ibiam, I applied to the 100&Challange with the "Esperanza" projec but didn't made it to the second round :( |
| 19:53 | Not aware any other funds application for funds, walterbender CanoeBerry might confirm | |
| 19:53 | Ibiam | ooh...:( |
| 19:53 | we can always try again | |
| 19:53 | samsongoddy | CanoeBerry, any update with the documents |
| 19:54 | walterbender | regarding sources of funds, we are obliged to only work on FOSS projects, but I don't think there is any such restriction on the sources of the funds. |
| 19:54 | That said, I think we need to consider the source of funding. | |
| 19:54 | kaametza | walterbender, any ideas for 2017? |
| 19:54 | walterbender | I don't have any grants pending for Sugar right now (above and beyond GSoC). |
| 19:55 | I haven't had much bandwidth for fund raising of late. | |
| 19:55 | but I hope to be able to generate some support for Sugar through the foundation associated with my college, once we get things off the ground. | |
| 19:56 | probably 12 months out. | |
| 19:56 | I did manage to raise some funds for Libre Learning last year. | |
| 19:56 | Which is sympathetic to Sugar :) | |
| 19:58 | I think we will have better luck if we raise money specific to a school or deployment. | |
| 19:59 | samsongoddy | Yes you are right |
| 19:59 | kaametza | walterbender, +1 for specific objetives before raising funds |
| 20:00 | Ibiam | it also creates room for better fund management |
| 20:00 | pikurasa | I wouldn't mind a particular corporation funding free/libre if (and only if) they did not interfere with software freedom, student privacy, and educational goals. |
| 20:00 | Someone may also want to look into Mozilla grant | |
| 20:01 | ohnx | linux foundation also |
| 20:02 | kaametza | pikurasa, you might be interested in helping out with the applications |
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| 20:03 | pikurasa | kaametza: sure. I have written successful small grant applications (less than $2000). Big ones, not yet, for some reason. But happy to help. |
| 20:03 | samsongoddy | Your welcome to follow us on instagram |
| 20:03 | @SugarLabsforall | |
| 20:05 | kaametza | we need to upgrade https://titanpad.com/SLFC ohnx maybe also have some time to give us a hand :D |
| 20:05 | ohnx | cool is that using like OT? |
| 20:06 | kaametza | ohnx, what is OT? |
| 20:06 | ohnx | operational transformation |
| 20:06 | kaametza | have no idea |
| 20:06 | :D | |
| 20:07 | Ibiam | can we get an idea of where funds are going |
| 20:10 | walterbender | Ibiam, we spent about 5-6K on travel for TA last year |
| 20:10 | and probably 10K on translation | |
| 20:10 | (mostly in Nigeria) | |
| 20:11 | kaametza | samsongoddy, please share your plan for creating awareness for donors with the community, others mught be able to help |
| 20:12 | ignacio | off topic: Is something like this OK? > http://kuckuck.treehouse.su:50[…]6471347989381120/ |
| 20:12 | samsongoddy | I believe in social media, because i believe that is a main way to get sponsorship. |
| 20:12 | Awareness matters | |
| 20:12 | kaametza | you mean micro funding? |
| 20:13 | samsongoddy | Not really |
| 20:14 | kaametza | Sponsorship needs an agenda |
| 20:14 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 20:14 | Ibiam | walterbender, our expenses are kinda high... |
| 20:14 | what are we spending them on | |
| 20:15 | walterbender | Ibiam, ??? |
| 20:15 | Ibiam | translations and travels can't amount to such |
| 20:16 | walterbender | Ibiam, on the contrary... at least for travel, I managed to get others to pay for most of it so as not to tax the SL budget. |
| 20:16 | Ibiam, and those two items were specific to $ raised for those purposes | |
| 20:16 | so they have not impacted general funds | |
| 20:17 | kaametza | travel these days is very expensive, specially for the environment :D |
| 20:17 | Ibiam | then what are we spending the money on? |
| 20:17 | walterbender | as far as I can recall, the only recent contributions to general funds have come from our participation in the various Google programs. |
| 20:17 | Ibiam, we need to buy a UPS | |
| 20:17 | samsongoddy | Re your marketing plan, walterbender |
| 20:17 | Ibiam | for our servers? |
| 20:17 | kaametza | walterbender, +1 for the UPS |
| 20:18 | walterbender | and we needed to pay for an update to our trademark recently. |
| 20:18 | kaametza, I am still waiting for details from the MIT side what they have room for. | |
| 20:18 | then I can submit a budget proposal | |
| 20:19 | kaametza | walterbender, great thx |
| 20:19 | walterbender | samsongoddy, I have no marketing plan at the moment |
| 20:19 | but I am generally in favor of social media these days for marketing Sugar | |
| 20:20 | Ibiam | yeah it's a great strategy |
| 20:20 | samsongoddy | Walter's 2016 Marketing Plan |
| 20:20 | Walter Bender offered this view for future marketing efforts: | |
| 20:20 | What I would like from marketing is some mechanism for highlighting the powerful ideas in Sugar that seem to be lacking in most other systems so that even if a school decides to go with a different product/project, they put pressure on that project to provide tools, not apps, collaboration, transparency, self reflection and group critique, and responsibility on the shoulders of students and teachers to shape their own world. | |
| 20:20 | A few observations/thoughts that may help us in focusing our marketing efforts: | |
| 20:20 | (1) The primary source of push back in AU re Sugar was the browser. Schools had websites that they were interested in accessing that were not supported by Browse at the time. This is something we can turn around in the devel team and maybe something we need to surface in marketing: that Sugar is web/cloud enabled on top of all its other virtues. (I had been keeping the name "cloudberry" in reserve for this.) Ironically, at the time we added Suga | |
| 20:20 | (2) The switch to Windows 10 by OLPC AU is a total capitulation to the "we don't have a clue as to what is of value in terms of pedagogy, so we'll make a deal with whomever will give us the best deal camp." Not sure what our response should/can be in such circumstances. | |
| 20:20 | (3) There is a still strong interest in Sugar in Paraguay and some momentum to go national. We could try to ride that wave. We've been invited to come to Paraguay in October. | |
| 20:20 | (4) I'm pushing hard in Chile... we'll see what happens. | |
| 20:20 | (5) In UY, they are still using Sugar in primary schools (on Ubuntu). We should market in the Ubuntu space (I had had an offer from Ubuntu to let us do the equivalent of a Fedora Spin which we could follow up on). | |
| 20:20 | (6) We should push on Red Hat to give us more exposure. | |
| 20:20 | (7) Can we get a Sugarizer pilot going in a school to get a sense of what it means. | |
| 20:20 | Projects | |
| 20:21 | walterbender | can I suggest that samsongoddy and kaametza prepare a more focused discussion re marketing and fundraising for our next meeting? |
| 20:21 | ignacio | +1 |
| 20:21 | walterbender | re #7, seems Lionel has that now underway |
| 20:21 | kaametza | walterbender, let's add CanoeBerry :D |
| 20:21 | samsongoddy | Sounds cool to me |
| 20:22 | walterbender, i also need some documentation from SFC | |
| 20:22 | ignacio | (5) In UY, they are still using Sugar in primary schools (on Ubuntu). -- I can tell you that sugar is the least thing used in ubuntu (I know it comes installed by default on ceibal images), at least by people of my age |
| 20:22 | walterbender | kaametza, sure. |
| 20:22 | ignacio | *last |
| 20:22 | samsongoddy | To work on our trademark on social media platform |
| 20:22 | kaametza | walterbender, would like to follow on (3) |
| 20:22 | Ibiam | ignacio, what do you suggest? |
| 20:22 | kaametza | also (4) |
| 20:23 | Chile and Paraguay are subjects I can easily follow | |
| 20:23 | walterbender | ignacio, Sugar is targetting younger kids than you, but alas, Sugar usage in UY is not what it was. |
| 20:23 | kaametza | walterbender, would you get me in the loop? |
| 20:23 | ignacio | walterbender, they give Xo-4 now afaik, all students use android S: |
| 20:24 | So maybe we should focus on Android :/ | |
| 20:24 | Ibiam | maybe...not a bad idea |
| 20:24 | ignacio | -- Not just Sugarizer itself |
| 20:24 | samsongoddy | Yeah |
| 20:24 | walterbender | ignacio, It would be good to have a clear with from Sugar activities to Android apps. |
| 20:24 | samsongoddy | Try to make independent app |
| 20:24 | walterbender | Turtle runs on Android |
| 20:24 | Ibiam | since incoporating android apps in sugarizer worked |
| 20:24 | kaametza | ignacio, I would like a Sugar Network instance plugged to Sugarizer |
| 20:25 | Ibiam | can we incoporate some activities in android...so you musn't open sugarizer to run any |
| 20:25 | walterbender | but I essentially rewrote it from scratch to do that. |
| 20:25 | ignacio | Yup, maybe we should "Port" the activities to Java == Android |
| 20:25 | and publish them in Android market to see how it goes | |
| 20:25 | Ibiam | good idea |
| 20:26 | kaametza | ignacio, number (5) is also something I could co-follow with you... |
| 20:26 | ignacio | SugarLabs will not get any money (I don't think we are going to include ads) |
| 20:26 | walterbender | eo rewrote three of my Python activities for the web during GCI |
| 20:26 | ignacio | I don't ilke webthat much.. |
| 20:26 | web runs everywhere ik, but maybe writing native code is what we should try | |
| 20:26 | walterbender | I think it really limits us where our strengths are |
| 20:27 | I think we need to support the Python/Sugar/GTK deployments such that they can really leverage all the great stuff we have to offer. | |
| 20:27 | and try to draw attention to what works well there | |
| 20:28 | but it is difficult without a hardware partner | |
| 20:28 | I really think RaspI is a good platform for us. | |
| 20:28 | Sugar runs great on the RPi 3 | |
| 20:29 | We should market that to the maker community | |
| 20:29 | anyway, /me needs to get going. | |
| 20:30 | kaametza | walterbender, using the libre version as recommneded by Jonas |
| 20:30 | we would love to test on field | |
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| 20:30 | ignacio | I think RPI could be the replacement of the XO tbh, like its really small, all you need is a power source that can be a "power bank" |
| 20:30 | It's not that expensive AFAIK | |
| 20:31 | walterbender | ignacio, well... it depends |
| 20:31 | you need to add a monitor, keyboard and mouse | |
| 20:31 | I don't really recommend it for a deployment in the traditional sense | |
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| 20:31 | ignacio | keyboard and mouse are really cheap, the problem is the monitor |
| 20:32 | walterbender | but since there are lots of instances of RPi in schools, we could get in "through the back door" |
| 20:32 | ignacio, it is also expensive (at least relative to OLPC) in terms of power consumption | |
| 20:33 | referring to the monitor again | |
| 20:33 | needs to run. | |
| 20:33 | shall we end the formal meeting now? | |
| 20:33 | kaametza | +1 |
| 20:34 | walterbender | thanks everyone for their input. |
| 20:34 | kaametza | thanks everyone |
| 20:34 | walterbender | back to a house full of sick kids |
| 20:34 | kaametza | hope to see you all next time |
| 20:34 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
| 20:34 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Feb 3 20:34:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:34 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-03T19:03:57.html | |
| 20:34 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]17-02-03T19:03:57 | |
| 20:35 | pikurasa | thank you! |
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| 21:09 | ohnx | #help |
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