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| 18:54 | walterbender | hi samsongoddy |
| 18:55 | CanoeBerry, you there? | |
| 18:55 | ClaudiaU, ping | |
| 18:55 | samsongoddy | Hello all |
| 18:55 | walterbender | hi |
| 18:55 | Cerlyn | Thanks to Hurricane Matthew (which largely was a rain event for Miami) I can watch today :) |
| 18:55 | walterbender | Cerlyn, :) |
| 18:56 | Cerlyn, I left Miami Wednesday evening rather than risk getting stuck | |
| 18:56 | Cerlyn | North Florida is getting hit hard though |
| 18:56 | walterbender | so I hear |
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| 18:57 | Cerlyn | If I knew you were in the area for something I would have wandered down |
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| 18:57 | walterbender | tony37, hi |
| 18:57 | sverma, hi | |
| 18:57 | sverma | Hello! |
| 18:57 | samsongoddy | Hello tony37 |
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| 18:58 | tony37 | hello samson |
| 18:58 | ibiamchihurumnay | hello everyone |
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| 18:59 | walterbender | waiting for CanoeBerry and or ClaudiaU |
| 18:59 | llaske | hi all, |
| 18:59 | walterbender | OK. |
| 18:59 | we have a quorum :) | |
| 18:59 | llaske | nice ! |
| 18:59 | sverma | Woohoo |
| 18:59 | walterbender | #start-meeting |
| 18:59 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Oct 7 18:59:41 2016 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 18:59 | Quozl` | observing |
| 18:59 | walterbender | #topic Turtle Art Day(s) |
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| 19:00 | walterbender | Just a quick status report |
| 19:00 | re Paraguay, we managed to get the US Embassy to cover airfare for everyone but Artemis Papert (she is not a US citizen) | |
| 19:00 | Ibiam | hello everyone |
| 19:01 | tony37 | hello ibiam |
| 19:01 | walterbender | It is looking to be a nice event (two days of EdTech in Asuncion, including a focus on Sugar) and then Turtle Art Day in Caacupe. |
| 19:02 | Re Uruguay, one of the people I worked with in Chile has agreed to go to help with Music Blocks. | |
| 19:02 | JM shared a link: | |
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| 19:02 | Ibiam | hello tony37 |
| 19:02 | walterbender | #link http://www.anep.edu.uy/anep/in[…]n-en-la-educacion |
| 19:02 | and Nigeria | |
| 19:02 | Ibiam | hello Claudia_ |
| 19:02 | Claudia_ | hello |
| 19:03 | walterbender | After discussion, we decided to postpone until Q1 of next year. |
| 19:03 | Claudia_ | hi walterbender |
| 19:03 | walterbender | Hi Claudia_ |
| 19:03 | Ibiam | sounds great |
| 19:03 | Claudia_ | i have missed so many meetings... sorry |
| 19:03 | walterbender | the plan to piggy back onto the Ed Tech conference in Abuja fell through so we are regrouping |
| 19:03 | Claudia_ | the schedule of Friday afternoon is not working so well for me |
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| 19:04 | walterbender | I am hoping tony37 can make a separate trip when he is next in Africa to check on the OLPC/Sugar schools in Nigeria |
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| 19:04 | walterbender | Meanwhile, Devin and I will be doing a Music Blocks workshop at LibreLearnLab this weekend at MIT |
| 19:04 | Claudia_ | nice.. is Cynthia presenting? |
| 19:05 | walterbender | Cynthia is presenting as well... a tribute to Seymour Papert |
| 19:05 | Claudia_ | nice |
| 19:05 | walterbender | Speaking of Seymour... |
| 19:05 | #topic next release | |
| 19:05 | Claudia_ | I dont have the agenda |
| 19:05 | walterbender | Sam send email to sugar-devel announcing some test versions of the new release. |
| 19:06 | Please encourage everyone to do some testing so we can find any issues with the release | |
| 19:06 | But I was thinking, maybe we can dedicate the next release to Seymour? | |
| 19:07 | or actually, Seymour and Marvin? | |
| 19:07 | tony37 | Is there a way to test this release on an XO |
| 19:07 | walterbender | tony37, Not sure anyone has bundled it for XO yet. Please ask on sugar-devel |
| 19:07 | Claudia_ | great idea |
| 19:07 | llaske | +1 |
| 19:08 | walterbender | I guess I should make a formal motion |
| 19:08 | Claudia_ | testing & dedication |
| 19:08 | walterbender | Motion: To dedicate the upcoming Sugar release to Marvin Minsky and Seymour Papert in honor of their numerous contributions to technology and learning |
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| 19:09 | Claudia_ | +1 |
| 19:09 | tony37 | Second the motion |
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| 19:09 | walterbender | tony37, tnx |
| 19:09 | Claudia_ | +1 |
| 19:09 | walterbender | +1 |
| 19:09 | llaske | +1 |
| 19:09 | tony37 | +1 on the motion |
| 19:09 | walterbender | sverma, ? |
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| 19:10 | sverma | +1 |
| 19:10 | walterbender | motion passes :) |
| 19:11 | Claudia_ | :) |
| 19:11 | walterbender | I will ask JM and Adam to vote by email. |
| 19:11 | samsongoddy | hi tony37 |
| 19:11 | walterbender | #topic Google |
| 19:11 | samsongoddy | did you see my reply |
| 19:11 | walterbender | Just quickly |
| 19:12 | Lionel and Michael will be representing Sugar Labs at the GSoC Mentor summit in a few weeks | |
| 19:12 | llaske | Yes, will be great |
| 19:12 | walterbender | But we also need to start thinking about whether or not we want to do GCI again this year |
| 19:12 | llaske | What's the timing ? |
| 19:12 | walterbender | I think I should have time to take the lead again, but I will need help. |
| 19:13 | llaske, I don't know yet. I don't think it has been announced. | |
| 19:13 | llaske | I could help like for GSoC |
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| 19:13 | walterbender | llaske, thanks. |
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| 19:14 | tony37 | I should be able to help as well |
| 19:14 | Ibiam | sorry i left, connection issues |
| 19:14 | walterbender | I will try to get samP to be involved again. And maybe I can get ignacio to help again. |
| 19:14 | llaske | Guess that Michael will help too |
| 19:14 | walterbender | OK. I will track the info from Google and report in (at our next meeting) |
| 19:15 | llaske, enjoy the Mentor Summit and please give my regards to Steph and Cat | |
| 19:15 | llaske | Sure I'll do |
| 19:15 | walterbender | #topic i18n |
| 19:15 | samsongoddy | Finally |
| 19:15 | walterbender | CLJ send email re gearing up for the new release |
| 19:15 | Claudia_ | my admiration for walterbender... not to let this project fade... so much work |
| 19:15 | walterbender | and also, tip of the hat to Samson and the team for the work on Yoruba |
| 19:16 | samsongoddy | I just spoke with the two schools |
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| 19:16 | walterbender | ( still a few broken strings in Turtle :P ) |
| 19:16 | samsongoddy | seems like I will drafting calabar and one other language for the two schools |
| 19:16 | walterbender | samsongoddy, are the schools interested in Sugar/Yoruba? |
| 19:17 | is not familiar with calabar | |
| 19:17 | samsongoddy | Calabar is for the school for Akwa Ibom |
| 19:18 | walterbender | consults Google |
| 19:18 | it is a region. Is it also a language? | |
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| 19:19 | samsongoddy | I will be drafting for two languages for the schools |
| 19:19 | walterbender | samsongoddy, I don't understand what "drafting for two languages" means |
| 19:20 | Ibiam | the language is efik |
| 19:21 | samsongoddy | proposing two languages for the schools |
| 19:21 | walterbender | it is a dialect of Ibo? |
| 19:21 | samsongoddy | no.. but the bayelsa seems like one |
| 19:21 | Ibiam | nope |
| 19:22 | it's a language on it's own | |
| 19:22 | samsongoddy | The Niger Delta is complicated in terms of languages |
| 19:22 | walterbender | well, would be great if there are some schools interested |
| 19:22 | OK... | |
| 19:22 | #topic elections | |
| 19:22 | As you know, we have 3 seats opening up at the end of the year. | |
| 19:23 | DaveC has been working with SamC on getting a voting system in place. | |
| 19:23 | But we need to get some candidates lined up as well | |
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| 19:23 | walterbender | so, a gentle push to recruit |
| 19:24 | anything else re the election? | |
| 19:25 | samsongoddy | I am not sure |
| 19:25 | walterbender | I have a few other odds and ends to discuss and then I will open to floor to other topics. |
| 19:25 | #topic design school | |
| 19:25 | Some of you know that I have been working on establishing a new college for industrial design in Miami | |
| 19:26 | I finally got my license, so I can talk about it publicly :) | |
| 19:26 | samsongoddy | wow finally |
| 19:26 | Ibiam | great :) |
| 19:26 | llaske | oh interesting |
| 19:26 | samsongoddy | that's nice |
| 19:26 | walterbender | It is modeled on the same underlying pedagogy as Sugar: you learn through doing. |
| 19:26 | llaske | what mean "industrial design" ? |
| 19:26 | walterbender | We will open next summer in the Wynwood neighborhood of Miami |
| 19:27 | llaske | is it for designing things ? |
| 19:27 | Claudia_ | sat will be a good opportunity to recruit |
| 19:27 | walterbender | Industrial Design is the design of things |
| 19:27 | but things are everything | |
| 19:27 | docverma has quit IRC | |
| 19:27 | walterbender | so it is more about the process than any particular thing |
| 19:27 | llaske | okay |
| 19:28 | good luck on this new adventure | |
| 19:28 | walterbender | it is my attempt to build an undergraduate program modeled after what we did for graduate education at the Media Lab |
| 19:28 | sverma | Interesting |
| 19:28 | walterbender | I have put together a first pass a a website for the school at: |
| 19:28 | miamicollegedesign.github.io/home | |
| 19:28 | samsongoddy | yes verified page on Facebook |
| 19:29 | walterbender | more details coming soon. |
| 19:29 | samsongoddy | twitter still in development right? |
| 19:30 | walterbender | alas, I cannot issue student visas for a few years and I need to be running for at least one year before I can apply to the program to issue visa, so alas, no i18n students to start :P |
| 19:30 | but the intention is an international program | |
| 19:30 | samsongoddy | okay |
| 19:30 | sounds cooler | |
| 19:30 | walterbender | anyway, that is what has been taking most of my cycles the past 18 months |
| 19:30 | Ibiam | waiting for one year wouldn't be a problem then |
| 19:31 | walterbender | hence my lack of patches :) |
| 19:31 | but... | |
| 19:31 | #topic music blocks | |
| 19:31 | devin and I are gearing up to release v1.0 | |
| 19:31 | Claudia_ | good work |
| 19:31 | walterbender | we'd love more testing |
| 19:31 | Ibiam | hoooray!!!! |
| 19:32 | walterbender | I did a major overhaul of how notes are defined recently and also got some help with some of the synth issues I was having |
| 19:32 | so now we have voices, e.g., cello, violin, etc. I will add a few more before v1.0 | |
| 19:32 | Claudia_ | teachers in india are enjoying Tblocks |
| 19:32 | walterbender | give it a spin |
| 19:33 | Claudia_, great. | |
| 19:33 | I would love to have them try MB too | |
| 19:33 | It supports non-Western modes | |
| 19:33 | in fact, playing with modes in MB is really fun | |
| 19:33 | Claudia_ | join telegram and you can read their comments |
| 19:33 | walterbender | also, I recently added a drum machine |
| 19:34 | doesn't know "telegram" | |
| 19:34 | Claudia_ | phone app |
| 19:34 | walterbender | I have tried to stick to the principal that everything is programmable, so you can even program the program status |
| 19:35 | Claudia_, I will look into it | |
| 19:35 | Claudia_ | ok |
| 19:35 | walterbender | anyway, that is my news |
| 19:35 | any other topics for today? | |
| 19:35 | Oh... | |
| 19:35 | #topic LibreLearnLab | |
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| 19:35 | walterbender | tomorrow and Sunday at MIT |
| 19:36 | librelearnlab.org | |
| 19:36 | Stallman is giving a keynote | |
| 19:36 | Cynthia too | |
| 19:36 | free to students :) | |
| 19:36 | E51-315 | |
| 19:36 | now I am done :) | |
| 19:37 | cjl | hi all |
| 19:37 | walterbender | hi cjl |
| 19:37 | cjl, anything to report re i18n? | |
| 19:37 | cjl | hi walterbender I'd like to talk to you ABOUT l10N INTO gUARANI BEFORE YOU GO TO pARAGUAY. |
| 19:38 | walterbender | cjl, OK. |
| 19:38 | I am going I leave on the 18th | |
| 19:38 | cjl | walterbender: To report, Samson's Yoruba has been landed, amajor update to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 has been posted. |
| 19:39 | walterbender | cjl, thx |
| 19:39 | cjl, I am getting ready to release v1 of Music Blocks; it is in string freeze | |
| 19:39 | cjl | What I want to discuss with you is the possibility of getting a guarani effort going, I have been chatting with the guy doing Guarani LibreOffice with their Liguistics Dept. |
| 19:40 | walterbender | as opposed to woodwind freeze |
| 19:40 | cjl, I will gladly pursue it when I am in PY | |
| 19:40 | tony37 | Is there any way we can get our learners to provide these translations? |
| 19:41 | cjl | Idea would be to get paraguayEduca on board top deploym PY_gov linguistics to do the L10n. |
| 19:41 | samsongoddy | cjl, I am working on a proposal for two languages for some schools in Nigeria. can you help me in drafting |
| 19:41 | walterbender | cjl, OK. Maybe I can get PYEduca to join us in a chat before I go? |
| 19:42 | cjl | tony37: It has long been a wish. There was a nice push in Guarani by users a while back, but it faded. The possible cost from Govt lingusitics dept is potentially crazy cheap and at crazy high quality. |
| 19:43 | tony37: I'll post to IAEP about what I'm imaining, but at this point is is "pire-in-the-sky" and many changes are posible | |
| 19:44 | walterbender | maybe we should wrap up the meeting before the server disappears? |
| 19:44 | cjl | walterbender: Chatting with them would be great. No point in getting strings without making sure they land in user's hands. |
| 19:44 | walterbender | anything else for the formal discussion? |
| 19:44 | cjl, I will ping Pattie right now | |
| 19:44 | tony37 | Unfortunately wishes don't necessarily result in action. I offered an activity Lion to help with this process but it has received no response. It is hard to spend time on this if it is not going to even get a test. |
| 19:44 | sverma | Just informational |
| 19:44 | We are going to host OLPC SF Community Summit 2016 on Nov 5 & 6. More details at http://olpcsf.org tomorrow. | |
| 19:44 | cjl | samsongoddy: SHOOT ME AN E-MAIL. |
| 19:45 | samsongoddy | okay |
| 19:46 | walterbender | sverma, thx |
| 19:47 | tony37, maybe one of the schools you work with would be willing to test? | |
| 19:47 | Claudia_ | no really |
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| 19:47 | tony37 | Walter - that is possible, but I think it needs confirmation from the translate.sugarlabs.org team that the results can be accepted by these professionals. |
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| 19:49 | cjl | tony37: If they have internet access, we don' t need a local app for bootstrapping, they can work right on Poolte or offline with Virtaal. |
| 19:49 | walterbender | I hope we didn't lose anyone |
| 19:49 | sverma | Still here |
| 19:49 | tony37 | cjl that is my point - apparently translation is not valid unless it is done with professional linguistic tools |
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| 19:50 | cjl | Not invalid, jsut harder to share and leverage. |
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| 19:51 | tony37 | It is easily possible to do Turtleblocks using the import turtle module in python - but that approach is not easy to enter as Turtleblocks. |
| 19:51 | Our task is to provide the capability to build to primary school students with limited computer experience. | |
| 19:54 | walterbender | anything else? |
| 19:54 | cjl | I'd rather see a sugar wrapper on Virtaal than a from-scratch L10n editor. There is just too much complexity in i18n/L10n (e.g. plutrals, left-to-right, etc.) to not leverage what is already i nVirtaal (not to mention tranlsation memory features). |
| 19:55 | tony37 | this is not the place to discuss the details, I am only trying to point in the direction of constructionism. Obviously, if the translators are translating from English to their own native language, plurals are not a problem. |
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| 19:58 | walterbender | tony37, maybe you and cjl can come up with a plan and report in next time? |
| 19:58 | tony37, but I don't think there is any fundamental disagreement. | |
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| 19:59 | walterbender | I need to go in a few minutes |
| 19:59 | any other topics for today? | |
| 19:59 | I will write up the minutes | |
| 19:59 | thanks everyone | |
| 20:00 | tony37 | bye |
| 20:00 | llaske | bye |
| 20:00 | sverma | Thank you :-) |
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| 20:00 | sverma | Bye |
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| 20:01 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
| 20:01 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Oct 7 20:01:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:01 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-07T18:59:41.html | |
| 20:01 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]16-10-07T18:59:41 | |
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