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#sugar-meeting, 2016-05-14

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14:19 tony37 hello
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14:55 walterbender #start-meeting
14:55 meeting Meeting started Sat May 14 14:55:57 2016 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:55 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
14:56 davelab6 #link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]ning_Weekend_2016
14:56 walterbender #idea coffee
14:58 cjl has tea instead
14:59 davelab6 eli, walter and have been discussing various sugar labs historical trivia
15:00 but relevant to the wiki gardening
15:00 we discussed looking for pages relevant to the info arch plan I wrote, and marking pages as deprecated where we find them
15:00 #link https://github.com/sugarlabs/w[…]ster/STRUCTURE.md
15:01 #action mark pages as deprecated
15:04 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Deprecated exists
15:04 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Template:Deprecated does not exist
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15:10 cjl davelab6: Something that you guys might want to chat about is the situation with SOAS. As satellit pointed out ot me the other day, SOAS is not going to make the Fedora24 release.
15:10 This is very  unfortunate.
15:10 satellit it may still make it...depends on fix to a builder bug
15:11 cjl satellit thanks for the clarification.
15:11 satellit https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh[…]ug.cgi?id=1315541
15:12 unfortunatly we are not a blockable distribution
15:12 for release
15:13 tony37 what is the consequence if SOAS does not make the release?
15:13 satellit FYI https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_24
15:16 cjl tony37: I don't exactly know.  My fear is that it is possible we could lose our spot on the spin page if we do not have a current F24-based spin.
15:17 tony37 Do we have any idea how many SOAS users we get from that?
15:17 satellit we may though adamw in #fedora-qa and peter robinson are on our side here
15:18 cjl tony37: I don't think we get download stats, but I bet they exist.
15:18 davelab6 cjl: how does this relate to the wiki>
15:18 satellit also it is installable as sugar-desktop in another DE
15:18 cjl davelab6: Not strictly wiki related, but there are useful people in the room and chat.
15:19 davelab6 #info https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Template:Deprecated is now working, with https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Wiki_Team/Roadmap as the first page marked that way; walterbender is working on a guide page about how to mark a page as deprecated
15:19 cjl davelab6: It occurred to me in looking at your conversion funnel for the web-page tha tSOAS plays a role.
15:19 davelab6 cjl: it seems best to discuss that on sugar-devel
15:20 :)
15:21 walterbender just added https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]/Page_Deprecation
15:21 davelab6 #link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]/Page_Deprecation
15:22 #idea we'll also add a new template for 'to be migrated to the website'
15:22 we are stepping out for 30 mins to grab coffee
15:23 cjl Do you guys all have wiki admin privs?  They may be needed, I'm a b'crat, so I can promote people to admin if needed.
15:24 tony37 Shouldn't a deprecated page have a link to the more usefule page?
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15:28 cjl tony37: ofcourse, thus this test in the category ot be pasted in  deprecated |some text pointing to an [[alternative page]]
15:29 tony37 good!
15:31 cjl FWIW, I declare a benevolent dictatorship over the https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team namespace :-)
15:31 Challenges accepted in the form of fish-slapping at arms length.
15:41 walterbender: Just an FYI, I transferred completed strings from Deducto to ColorDeducto on Pootle.
15:41 tony37 sadly, I think the fish here by the Adriatic are not big enough for an effective challenge
15:45 cjl tony37: I'm in communication with a JavaScript based project that is using Pootle.  I hope they will arrive at optimal i18n/L10n workflow that we can copy for Sugarizer et al.
15:45 tony37 How does this compare with the method used by Walter for TurtleBlocks.js
15:46 I assume his software was not pootle compatible
15:46 cjl We can ask him when he gets back.
15:47 tony37 ok
15:47 walterbender tony37, I have a series of scripts I wrote to scrape strings and generate the POT file
15:47 which is pootle-compliant AFAIK
15:47 davelab6 cjl: Davelab6 is my wiki username
15:47 :)
15:48 walterbender there is a second step, to generate a .ini file from the PO files that JS uses for the actual string subsitution.
15:48 tony37 What does javascript use for the __gettext__  function?
15:48 walterbender that is some library I have been using... one sec
15:49 #link https://github.com/walterbende[…]er/lib/webL10n.js
15:49 I am not thrilled with how it works
15:49 but it is generally getting the job done.
15:50 tony37 We probably need something that can work with Sugarizer
15:50 walterbender tony37, there is also: https://github.com/walterbende[…]L10n.sugarizer.js
15:50 cjl davelab6: are you asking for wiki admin?  I will grant on a temporary basis, for permanent privsm I would defer t oFGrose.
15:51 walterbender tony37, my scripts, which I have not tested exhaustively, are here:
15:51 tony37 I would propose we use 'hello world' as an example of the process. I can take a look at that tomorrow.
15:51 walterbender https://github.com/walterbender/po-utils
15:51 tony37, yes... would be good.
15:52 as you can see, my documentation of the process is a bit sketchy
15:52 https://github.com/walterbende[…]/master/README.md
15:52 tony37 I'll give it a go and see if we can document a simple case
15:54 cjl also look at  http://i18next.com/
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15:56 tony37 ok
15:57 I assume goal is to have js projects in translate.sugarlabs.org
15:58 cjl tony37: Yes, provide clear "best prqactices" fori18n of JS projects and simple round-trip to Pootle (via PO files), just like gettext does.
16:00 tony37 ok
16:09 davelab6 cjl: why temp?
16:10 cjl davelab6: Only because there istypically a process for granting them permanently that should be observed.
16:10 davelab6 cjl: cool, ill let you know if its needed
16:10 thanks :)
16:10 cjl More so on w.l.o that w.sl.o
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16:31 cjl rebooting
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16:33 walterbender anyone know how to set the link color in line in a wiki page?
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16:43 walterbender is struggling a bit trying clean things up.
16:44 I think we need to decide on, for example, one place to send people for setting up the Sugar env.
16:45 we have 3-4 different explanations in the Activity Team pages for just that one task!!!
16:45 Aaargh
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16:50 davelab6 walterbender: i do
16:52 <div style="color:pink">[[link]]</div>
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16:57 cjl elih: Did you get wiki account password?
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17:00 tony37 I am not sure of the connection so I'll say goodbye for today
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17:04 davelab6 thanks tony!!
17:04 walterbender: ill make a 'migration' template
17:06 elih cjl: yes, I'm logged in now, thank you!
17:06 cjl elih: welcome
17:10 davelab6 #action make a 'migrate this to www-sugar' wiki template
17:26 #link the sidebar is at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/MediaWiki:Sidebar
17:26 i cant edit it
17:27 as my wiki username doesnt have privs
17:28 cjl need them?
17:30 davelab6: I can grant you admin
17:34 davelab6 were just using walters laptop atm
17:34 but yes please :)
17:35 #idea i see there are a lot of activities pages, some with very good and extensive documentation about the activity. given offline usage is a key usage scenario for deployments, i think these ought to be packaged into the activities :)
17:38 cjl: thanks!
17:38 cjl davelab6: you may need to log off/on wiki to pick up admin priv.
17:39 davelab6: oneof the columns on my ASLO inventory is for wiki page link.
17:41 davelab6 oneof the columns on my ASLO inventory is for wiki page link <-- sorry i didnt understad
17:51 cjl I have an inventory spreadsheet of ASLO activities.  One of the data fileds I am recording is the wiki page for the activity.
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17:57 samsongoddy hello guys
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18:16 quidam hi
18:16 samsongoddy hi
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18:28 cjl hall quidam, howhaveyou been?
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18:29 satellit_e have you looked at this older wiki page?
18:29 https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]on_Kit#Activities
18:30 https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]vity_Test_Results
18:34 activities numeric is good reference
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18:50 cjl davelab6: see https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Obsolete
18:52 Ibiam hello everyone
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19:28 davelab6 cjl: ah i see, thats great
19:29 cjl: is it online?
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19:32 Ibiam UNIGNORE walterbender
19:32 satellit_e sugar-network and sweets-distribution? Is this no longer active?
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19:38 satellit_e I have not seen Aleksey lately
19:43 davelab6 #action ive redirected the deprecated template to the existing obsolete one
19:43 cjl davelab6: ASLO spreadsheet not currently online, still under development.
19:44 samsongoddy hello guys
19:44 cjl hi samsongoddy
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19:45 samsongoddy how are you doing?
19:45 cjl pretty good
19:46 samsongoddy walterbender, ping
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19:46 walterbender samsongoddy, pong
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19:49 samsongoddy so walter, what about the laptop update
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20:09 satellit also I found this test day : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]esktop#Activities
20:10 be nice to hold a similar one for f24..
20:18 davelab6 #action walterbender will graduate https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team
20:18 satellit: for sure :)
20:19 satellit the wiki page needs updating for you cleaned up activities in 0.108 : )
20:20 you/your*
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20:49 davelab6 #action bernie to remove onebar from http://people.sugarlabs.org
20:49 satellit: what do you mean? :)
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20:54 satellit davelab6 someone needs to edit that page and list 0.108 compatable activities to test
20:55 it is easy to edit the media-wiki on fedora....same as our wiki
20:56 also what is the graphical sugarlabs.wiki that I hit sometimes  It seems to occupy the https:// location if our http:// wiki page does not redirect
20:56 have to go out...afk
21:04 davelab6 satellit: i dont know what you mean :)
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22:06 davelab6 walterbender: please review https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]tUsers/bureaucrat
22:06 walterbender davelab6, could you peek at the new text at the top of the Design Team page?
22:12 davelab6 walterbender: i reviewed and made this change, https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ind[…]98496&oldid=98489
22:14 #idea remove the unused wikis from repos in https://github.com/sugarlabs
22:16 satellit_e davelab6: I sent e-mail reply to you. That is where our content is uploaded for the wiki....[1] [2]
22:16 Please  do not eliminate this!
22:16 These very important user's pages!
22:16 [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/tgilliard/
22:16 [2] https://download.sugarlabs.org/packages/
22:17 davelab6 satellit_e: why is it important?
22:17 satellit_e all of my work  on sugar-creation kit links to it....
22:18 it is where I upload content
22:19 I am sure other users of sugar feel the same
22:21 maybe you should ask each of them if their user page is important first
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22:23 satellit_e actually the activities link lists all versions of activities by number also
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