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| 16:39 | elih | hello, I'm here to chat for the next hour or so if anyone wants to meet about the font editor today. |
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| 16:48 | elih | hey Harshita! |
| 16:51 | harshita | hi! |
| 16:52 | we were to have a meeting now, right? | |
| 16:52 | regarding fornt editor activity | |
| 16:53 | *font | |
| 16:54 | elih | how's it going? look like Dave and Yash aren't here, but I'll do my best to catch you up on what's going on. |
| 16:55 | have you been reading the blog posts? https://sugarlabs.github.io/edit-fonts-activity/ | |
| 16:56 | harshita | i have read some the of blog posts |
| 16:56 | i also tried the code in the master branch on the dev environment i set up | |
| 16:57 | its working fine | |
| 16:59 | elih | ok great. Dave's post: 'Required Reading for Writing a Modern Font Editor' is a good starting point if you haven't read that. |
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| 17:01 | elih | Have you worked with Python before? I'm new to GTK+3 so i'm in the process of learning that now. |
| 17:03 | harshita | i did start reading Dave's blog post. It's taking a bit of time since I am reading about the related things too since I am new to it :) |
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| 17:03 | harshita | Yes, I have worked with python before :) |
| 17:04 | yagarwal | hello harshita and elih! |
| 17:04 | harshita | hello yash! |
| 17:04 | elih | hey Yash |
| 17:06 | I have a question, maybe you will know this Yash or Harshita. | |
| 17:06 | we have to use Python 2.7 for everything right? | |
| 17:07 | yagarwal | yes |
| 17:07 | harshita | In one of the mails I read that we have to work in python 2.7 as mostly Sugar code is in that only |
| 17:08 | yagarwal | dave asked this on the sugar-devel thread a few days back |
| 17:08 | elih | and I know trufont is python 3 |
| 17:09 | will that cause any problems? I've never converted python 3 code to 2.7 before. | |
| 17:10 | yagarwal | I have done that once before, but that included included only urllib and bs4 modules |
| 17:11 | it will depend on the functionality/features we're going for | |
| 17:12 | elih | Ok, sounds good :) |
| 17:12 | harshita | i too think the same |
| 17:12 | it should depend on what we are using | |
| 17:16 | elih | So, I'm new to GTK, but I'm working on building Dave's mockup as an activity: https://github.com/sugarlabs/e[…]oncept_02_hig.svg |
| 17:17 | Dave and I will be meeting with Walter Bender This weekend so it would be nice to show him that. | |
| 17:18 | yagarwal | great, I'll try to make a GTK mock up for the character map by then |
| 17:19 | elih | yes, that would be great :) |
| 17:20 | I think just doing mocks in GTK is the way to go, too much can be lost in translation from an SVG :) | |
| 17:21 | yagarwal | so went through the documentation for Robofab and UFO format |
| 17:22 | harshita | i'll try to understand the code till then. Kindly give me suggestions so that I may pick things faster :) |
| 17:22 | yagarwal | it gives us a clear idea of what all classes we need to make |
| 17:23 | elih | it's a lot to go through |
| 17:24 | harshita | yes I realized that. It's taking time. Kindly give me some suggestions to pick up. |
| 17:24 | yagarwal | harshita: you should start with the UFO format and then move on to defcon which is the main lib we will be using, atleast this is what dave stressed upon |
| 17:24 | harshita | okay |
| 17:25 | elih | have you used a font editor before? |
| 17:25 | harshita | no |
| 17:25 | elih | if so which one? |
| 17:25 | harshita | tried this once before though : http://www.glyphrstudio.com/online/ |
| 17:26 | elih | This is the one we want to borrow code from: https://trufont.github.io/ |
| 17:27 | harshita | okay |
| 17:27 | elih | but, it's only version 0.2.0 so it's not that mature. |
| 17:28 | http://doc.robofont.com/ is one to look at | |
| 17:28 | harshita | so we have to develop taking some of its code for making a better font editor for sugar |
| 17:30 | elih | Yes, but the sugar editor should also be simple and fun for kids. |
| 17:31 | harshita | yes that's important :) |
| 17:33 | yagarwal | elih do you know if dave will be joining us? |
| 17:34 | elih | if you have a machine with OS X on it, both Glyphs and RoboFont has Python scripting. |
| 17:34 | I'm not sure, I know he is busy this week so maybe not. | |
| 17:35 | I have to go soon as well. | |
| 17:36 | yagarwal | oh, no problem. I think the major task this week is to complete dave's reading list |
| 17:37 | elih | yes, I'm still working on it as well. |
| 17:39 | ok, so lets keep going through dave's post. Yash, if you have anything you want to show Walter this weekend that would be Awesome, but no big deal if you want to focus on going over the defcon code instead. | |
| 17:40 | yagarwal | elih: can I ask, what is your procedure of going through documentations? |
| 17:44 | elih | I just read what I can on my phone, somewhere nice like a park or the beach. Then when I code, like doing the GTK tutorial, I have duel monitors and a standing desk. |
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| 17:46 | elih | hello Dave |
| 17:46 | davelab6 | elih yagarwal harshita - sorry i missed the scheduled meeting time |
| 17:46 | busy day at work :) | |
| 17:46 | i read the log | |
| 17:47 | yagarwal | hello dave |
| 17:47 | harshita | hello Dave! :) |
| 17:47 | elih | no prob :) |
| 17:47 | davelab6 | defon ufo3 branch is python2.7 and 3.x compatible |
| 17:47 | elih | oh awesome, we don't have to do anything then!? |
| 17:48 | davelab6 | the work is in making a something like defconAppkit or defconQt |
| 17:48 | which ties the abstract python class/obejcts in defcon to UI widgets | |
| 17:48 | elih | yes, so you think that is where most of the hard work will be? |
| 17:48 | davelab6 | yeah |
| 17:48 | the mockup i made has 3 widgets | |
| 17:48 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/e[…]oncept_02_hig.svg | |
| 17:49 | the first is the character picker | |
| 17:49 | the second is the drawing canvas | |
| 17:49 | the 3rd is the 'live preview' which is really just another drawing canvas | |
| 17:49 | it might be simplest to start with widgets 1 and 3 | |
| 17:49 | and of those, with 1 | |
| 17:50 | as 1 is about drawing the glyph outlines into little canvas boxes | |
| 17:50 | in a grid | |
| 17:50 | elih | ok, I did the Python GTK+ 3 tutorial, working on building your mock now. |
| 17:50 | davelab6 | and 3 is about drawing the glyphs outlines into little invisible canvas boxes, to create an illustion of text |
| 17:51 | and 2 is about drawing the glyph outlines into little semi-visible canvas boxes, and then drawing editing widgets on and around them for moving points, moving guides, setting guides, add/removing points, etc | |
| 17:52 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/e[…]i_hello_world.png | |
| 17:52 | lol | |
| 17:52 | elih | haha yes I got my dev environment set up :) |
| 17:53 | davelab6 | the tamtam edit screenshot https://sugarlabs.github.io/ed[…]s/TamTam-Edit.png shows something at the bottom edge similar to widget (1) i describe above |
| 17:53 | harshita | :D |
| 17:53 | yagarwal | dave: I had a question about kearning, does a glyph have kearning data for all other glyph in the font set |
| 17:53 | davelab6 | yagarwal: kerning is kept in the UFO in 2 places |
| 17:54 | yagarwal: firist place is http://unifiedfontobject.org/v[…]o3/kerning.plist/ | |
| 17:54 | yagarwal: second place is http://unifiedfontobject.org/v[…]fo3/features.fea/ | |
| 17:54 | second place is out of scope until after the mid way evaluation i think | |
| 17:54 | first place is out of scope for round 1 at least :) | |
| 17:54 | kerning is not that important | |
| 17:55 | my cantarell original and verdana and georgia from MS dont have any! | |
| 17:55 | and its done as a production stage of font development | |
| 17:55 | yagarwal | oh, fine then :) |
| 17:56 | davelab6 | I should make a blog post about the process, using the timeline chart I have somewhere |
| 17:56 | Ah the chart is in http://designwithfontforge.com[…]Your_Project.html | |
| 17:56 | elih | also, most kids probably will not want to kern the fonts they make. |
| 17:56 | davelab6 | yeah i mean maybe like AV needs to be kerned |
| 17:56 | but its not a hi priority | |
| 17:56 | i think | |
| 17:57 | i think our default character set cna be uppercase, numbers, basic punctuation | |
| 17:57 | just that :) | |
| 17:57 | maybe lowercase and accents for 'advacned' users :) | |
| 17:58 | elih | I like that! |
| 17:59 | yagarwal | dave: what are accents? |
| 18:01 | davelab6 | harshita: was your wiki username Hsharish600 ? |
| 18:02 | yagarwal: http://designwithfontforge.com[…]_and_Accents.html | |
| 18:02 | https://glyphsapp.com/tutorial[…]es/tag:diacritics | |
| 18:02 | https://fontforge.github.io/editexample4.html | |
| 18:02 | http://robofab.com/howto/buildingaccents.html | |
| 18:02 | ok i gotta run, thanks for taking time to meet up today, ill check the log again later :) | |
| 18:02 | harshita | davelab6 : no, it's not |
| 18:02 | davelab6 | harshita: okay cool :) |
| 18:03 | harshita | :) |
| 18:03 | davelab6 | looking forward to hearing what you're leading about defcon on friday! :) |
| 18:03 | harshita | sure :) |
| 18:03 | davelab6 | a quick way to get diagrams on the blog is simply draw on paper and snap a photo with your phone :D |
| 18:04 | and you should be able to create little test UFOs with TruFont :) | |
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| 18:04 | elih | ok, good meeting, talk to everyone Friday. |
| 18:05 | yagarwal | ok, bye. see you all on friday |
| 18:05 | elih | also http://designwithfontforge.com/en-US/index.html is a good place to learn about type and type design :) |
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| 18:05 | harshita | bye :) |
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