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15:59 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello! |
15:59 | walterbender | hola Jose Miguel |
15:59 | CanoeBerry, you here? | |
15:59 | ClaudiaU, ? | |
16:00 | no lionel or sameer or tony? | |
16:00 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> It was now, no? |
16:00 | walterbender | JM: yes. ahora |
16:01 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> *OK. |
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16:03 | CanoeBerry | Hi |
16:03 | sverma | Greetings! |
16:03 | CanoeBerry | Lionel pinged me he will be a bit late. |
16:04 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello! |
16:04 | llaske <llaske!~chatzilla![]() |
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16:04 | CanoeBerry | llaske: welcome & bienvenue |
16:05 | llaske | Hi Adam & all ! |
16:05 | CanoeBerry | Anybody heard from Tony & Claudia? |
16:06 | walterbender | OK. We have a quorum :) |
16:06 | #start-meeting | |
16:06 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Feb 12 16:06:14 2016 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
16:06 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
16:06 | walterbender | #topic welcome |
16:06 | Welcome new SLOB members :) | |
16:06 | llaske | Thanks ! Happy to join |
16:06 | walterbender | Lionel, Sameer, Tony |
16:06 | sverma | Thank you! |
16:07 | walterbender | Welcome back Adam, Claudia, Jose Miguel |
16:07 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Welcome! |
16:07 | walterbender | and thank you Daniel, Gonzalo, and Chris for all the great contributions |
16:07 | Just a few formalities | |
16:07 | llaske | and Caryl to organize |
16:08 | walterbender | yes... and Samson and Sebastian for the help as well |
16:08 | So... we had been meeting the first Monday of the month and conducting out-of-cycle business via email | |
16:09 | I added all of you to the slobs![]() |
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16:09 | it is outr custom to CC sugar-devel olpc-sur and iaep when we discuss business unless there is a compelling reason not to make the discussion public | |
16:10 | But we should decide on regular meeting times. | |
16:10 | Does the first Friday of each month work for everyone (at this time)? | |
16:10 | is once per month enough? too much? | |
16:10 | sverma | This works for me |
16:11 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> It is well for my. |
16:11 | llaske | Yes, okay |
16:11 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> It seems me well once a month |
16:11 | aguirrea <aguirrea!~webchat![]() |
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16:12 | walterbender | OK. We can double check with tony and claudia but it seems this will work. |
16:12 | CanoeBerry | Yes, this timeframe..we may need to tune slightly in March/April as EU and "North American" time changes on diff dates. |
16:12 | walterbender | so our next meeting will be 4 March |
16:12 | at 16:00 UTC | |
16:12 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> *Ok |
16:13 | CanoeBerry | Thanks. Even if it's after Midnight for Tony Anderson in the Philippines, which is rough for him until he flies to EU around May. |
16:13 | walterbender | I am flexible by an hour either way on Fridays. |
16:13 | aguirrea | ok |
16:13 | tony__ <tony__!~tony![]() |
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16:13 | walterbender | other minutia |
16:13 | Just so you know, CanoeBerry is our liaison to the SFC | |
16:14 | CanoeBerry | With some very useful financial details that came in last night and this morning when we have a minute. |
16:14 | llaske | Thanks for great work on that. SFC documents are very clear |
16:14 | walterbender | I have not yet asked Bert if he will be willing to continue as Ombudsman |
16:14 | sverma | ok |
16:14 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, let's switch to finances next |
16:15 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: Thanks for asking Bert to continue, if you can this week? |
16:15 | walterbender | just to wrap up, if someone else wants to be in charge of running the meetings, I am more than happy to let someone else do it :) |
16:15 | CanoeBerry, yes. I'll ping him this week. | |
16:15 | GrannieB <GrannieB!acfb2c1a![]() |
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16:17 | walterbender | One last comment re welcoming new members |
16:17 | GrannieB | This page doesn't look right. Am I in the right place? There is no list of attendees on the side... |
16:17 | walterbender | We are here to serve the community in support of Sugar |
16:17 | that is essentially the beginning and end of our responsibility | |
16:18 | CanoeBerry | GrannieB: you are in the right place. Your irc software or irc site may be flaky if it does not show ~20 participants on right side. |
16:18 | walterbender | the heavy lifting is done by the community :P |
16:18 | any questions/comments before we switch to finances? | |
16:18 | CanoeBerry | GrannieB: currently ~26 participants in this channel.. |
16:19 | walterbender | #finances |
16:19 | CanoeBerry, wanna summarize for us? | |
16:19 | CanoeBerry | Can I summarizes SFC's reportage? |
16:19 | *summarize | |
16:20 | OK, $81,966.88 is in Sugar Lab's bank account, of which 10% (I think) is reserved to pay SFC accounting & legal. | |
16:20 | GrannieB | CanoeBerry: It's flaky |
16:21 | llaske | SFC is payed on a percent of the bank account ? |
16:21 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, FYI, I just heard from Google that they are giving us an additional $7000 for our GCI partiicpation :) |
16:21 | llaske, they take 10% off the top AFAIK | |
16:21 | CanoeBerry | llaske: yes 10% always. |
16:21 | walterbender: Great news. | |
16:21 | llaske | waoo it's better to not be rich :-) |
16:22 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, the Google $$ are general funds |
16:22 | CanoeBerry, as Tony S. pointed out, not all of the 81K are general funds | |
16:22 | the $$ I brought in through grants are for specific purposes. | |
16:23 | CanoeBerry | Also SFC clarifies that $550 has been spent on internationalization, and $18,188.97 has been spent on Turtle Art Days, and that the final (of 3 total) $40,000 installments from TripAdvisor did not arrive in October, as the prior 2 installments did. |
16:23 | walterbender | the Gould $ is for working in schools |
16:23 | the TripAdvisor $ is for i18n and Turtle workshops | |
16:23 | Claudua <Claudua!~webchat![]() |
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16:24 | Claudua | Hello |
16:24 | walterbender | hi ClaudiaU |
16:24 | Claudua | meeting? |
16:24 | walterbender | ClaudiaU, yes... |
16:24 | GrannieB | Does anyone have a copy of the original grant from Trip Advisor that folks could look at? |
16:24 | Claudua | sorry I am late |
16:24 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello Claudia! |
16:24 | CanoeBerry | e.g. the $40,000 arrived October 2nd, 2014, but did not arrive in 2015. |
16:24 | walterbender | GrannieB, I can dig up a copy |
16:25 | CanoeBerry, we didn't get the 3rd year $ | |
16:25 | I am not sure why but I can look into it. | |
16:25 | but we have not even spent all of the Year 1 money yet. | |
16:25 | llaske | Is there any sort of reporting to do to TripAdvisor about usage of money ? |
16:26 | walterbender | llaske, SFC is supposed to send annual financial reports |
16:26 | and I send summaries of the work | |
16:26 | llaske | Okay |
16:27 | walterbender | I've been pretty good about the Turtle Workshops, but more often than not, I manage to find third-party funding so I have not spent that much yet |
16:27 | GrannieB | Most grants I have had and administered have had a "use it or lose it" provision |
16:27 | walterbender | I have had very little luck with i18n |
16:27 | sverma | Do we have specific categories on our end to earmark $ or is it governed by the grant provider? |
16:27 | walterbender | Other than Edgar, none of the translators seem to be reliable |
16:28 | llaske | +1 GrannieB, same thing for OLPC France when we worked with Lyonness fundation |
16:28 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: can you reach out the TripAdvisor this week, as the $40K funds (expected Oct 2015) are over 4 months late it appears, to figure out what's happening? |
16:28 | walterbender | sverma, I wrote the proposals for both Gould and Trip Advisor |
16:28 | CanoeBerry, I will ping my contact there | |
16:28 | CanoeBerry | Thanks |
16:29 | walterbender | I would love to ramp up on i18n. |
16:29 | sverma | walterbender, so we get to decide on our end the nature of work for those $, and not so much Gould or TripAdvisor? |
16:30 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: which annual reports is SFC supposed to send to TripAdvisor? (overarching I990 basically, or more than that?) |
16:30 | llaske | Is marketing could be considered as acceptable expense for the contract ? |
16:30 | walterbender | sverma, yes and no. I feel obliged to fulfill the spirit of the proposals |
16:31 | CanoeBerry, they were supposed to send financials | |
16:31 | I don't know if they have been doing that | |
16:31 | llaske, I would want to discuss specifics | |
16:31 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: OK, I will ask SFC if they have sent financials to TripAdvisor and when. |
16:31 | walterbender | there are other funds we could use for marketing, e.g., Google money |
16:32 | llaske | okay it was just suggestion to avoid losing this money |
16:32 | walterbender | llaske, would be good to get a marketing team assembled again |
16:32 | sverma | walterbender, Indeed. I agree. |
16:33 | llaske | Yes I think SugarLabs lack marketing |
16:33 | walterbender | llaske, do you ever see Sean? |
16:33 | llaske | Sean had done a great job in past by don't recently seen him in an OLPC France meeting |
16:33 | by/but | |
16:33 | walterbender | llaske, maybe reach out to him |
16:33 | but we need some new people/new ideas too | |
16:33 | llaske | okay, I will try to ask him |
16:34 | sverma | llaske, yes, it does. Let's hope we get people who actually know what marketing is! |
16:34 | CanoeBerry | SFC Executive Director (Karen Sandler) called me Tuesday morning after I reached out to find a contact at SFC Monday, and her summary view that all Sugar Labs funds are "fungible" and that the board is fundamentally in control of all funds. With the spirit of grants/donations being taken into consideration as we see most respectful & appropriate. |
16:34 | GrannieB | How can we fulfill the "spirit of the proposals" if we don't know what that is? |
16:35 | walterbender | GrannieB, as I said, I will share the proposals... |
16:35 | GrannieB, they have been shared publically in the past, but I don't have them at my finger tips. | |
16:35 | publicly | |
16:36 | GrannieB, but again, the gist is: Gould: Sugar in schools (specifically Sugar on a Stick as that was the push at the time) | |
16:36 | and Trip Advisor: Turtle Blocks and i18n | |
16:36 | the Google money from GSoC and GCI are general funds | |
16:37 | CanoeBerry | Speaking of i18n, the total of $550 is disheartening: how to we enact the original intent and spirit of the grant here -- is Chris Leonard still willing to help, do you know Walter? |
16:37 | $550 total spent in 2.5 years :( | |
16:38 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, chirs got tied up with other things (day job) |
16:38 | CanoeBerry | Ok, we need to consider a replacement for him at this late stage it seems~ |
16:38 | walterbender | we had written contracts for about 4-5 different languages but only Edgar (Aymara) ever delivered. |
16:39 | I've had an open (an oft repeated) request for translators :P | |
16:39 | ironically, I've gotten much better results from volunteers (e.g., AR and IBO) | |
16:39 | and TH | |
16:40 | Guarani never really went anywhere | |
16:40 | Quechua never took off | |
16:40 | even though we had translators contracted. | |
16:40 | CanoeBerry | Yes. But a "translation community manager" should be paid if this brings the originally stated $~60,000K for translation/localization back into action, since this is stuck at the moment. |
16:41 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, I am open to suggestions |
16:41 | kaametza | hello, here we have many ideas on hoe we can get Sugar translated into several native languages |
16:42 | CanoeBerry | Let's keep our eyes open for someone who has those talents! |
16:42 | Other financial questions, or should we move on? | |
16:42 | walterbender | kaametza, I await concrete proposals |
16:43 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> The most difficult is to achieve teams that realise them! |
16:43 | kaametza | I do have the experience of making the translation manual, still would be nice to have resources t spread it |
16:43 | walterbender, shippibo conibo, ese eja and ashaninca seem to be a priority | |
16:43 | I will be able to put together a budget for each | |
16:44 | walterbender | feel free to contact me with specifics |
16:45 | kaametza | that is what I would hope to avoid |
16:45 | I have proposed this to be an open process | |
16:45 | not personal | |
16:45 | GrannieB | +1 |
16:45 | walterbender | kaametza, since I am responsible for the trip advisor grant, I am going to be in the loop. |
16:46 | pikurasa <pikurasa!~Thunderbi![]() |
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16:46 | kaametza | of course, I would follow whatever process the board will need |
16:46 | walterbender | kaametza, the process has been to make proposal |
16:47 | and we discuss | |
16:47 | CanoeBerry | Speaking of, what's new at http://translate.sugarlabs.org -- who can summarize the community infra progress of the past year, perhaps Martin Abente if Chris Leonard is busy? |
16:47 | kaametza | yes, now that we know that there are funds available we can start ;D |
16:47 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, we have mostly working infrastructure |
16:48 | but the JS side of the house is a bit fragile | |
16:48 | CanoeBerry | Less so on the community side: http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization mailing list is largely dead, and needs a kick in the pants, or rebirth? |
16:48 | walterbender | we had about 60 new strings for Sugar 108 |
16:49 | and a bunch of new strings in some activities (~100 in Music Blocks) | |
16:49 | CanoeBerry, I think martin has been sending to devel? | |
16:49 | I don't recall | |
16:50 | sverma | CanoeBerry, a lot of the inactivity on lists has to do with burnout :-( |
16:50 | walterbender | I do recall seeing a call for translations on some list |
16:50 | sverma, I think we need leaders in each area | |
16:50 | CanoeBerry | sverma: Chris Leonard's a stellar guy, but got swamped so we now need to look elsewhere -- or possibly pay him to do the community catalyst job right? |
16:50 | walterbender | and we are lacking i18n leadership since Chris got distracted |
16:51 | CanoeBerry, it is a bit more complicated | |
16:51 | CanoeBerry | Ok |
16:51 | walterbender | we don't have the funds for a full-time position in i18n |
16:51 | maybe we can raise that money | |
16:51 | CanoeBerry | Part-time position would be ideal. |
16:51 | walterbender | but Chris needed a full-time job |
16:52 | we had offered to pay him for some upstream work | |
16:52 | but he got swallowed up in his day job | |
16:52 | CanoeBerry | I see. We have the funds for a part-time position to make huge translation progress, if we want to, and find an effective indigineous languages community manager. |
16:52 | kaametza | I would be able to help ;D |
16:52 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, maybe |
16:53 | I'd like to see a job description | |
16:53 | CanoeBerry | Let's consider, thanks. 7min warning? I have another tiny topic before we close, about future meetings. |
16:53 | walterbender | and a budget and a set of deliverables |
16:53 | sverma | Let's not confuse leadership with salaries. The two are not swappable. |
16:53 | walterbender | sverma, +1 |
16:54 | tony__ | Perhaps we need a committee to look at this in more detail, I would be happy to give a hand. Sverma? |
16:54 | CanoeBerry | sverma: there is overlap..paid community organizers perform miracles if we identify the right one. The original spirit of the grant asks us to work on translation which we are not doing -- it's time to deliver (something!) |
16:55 | tony__ | There will soon be an unemployed community organizer |
16:56 | walterbender | hopefully not replaced by a carpetbomber |
16:56 | CanoeBerry | tony__: Is that you Mr Anderson in the Philippines? :) |
16:56 | tony__ | Aye at 0 dark 30 |
16:56 | CanoeBerry | Oy! |
16:56 | Can I put a final microtopic out there? | |
16:56 | walterbender | tony__, why don't you run with this... organize a team to make a plan to run past SLOBs at the next meeitng |
16:56 | Erilyth <Erilyth!uid126846![]() |
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16:56 | tony__ | OK |
16:57 | walterbender | thanks |
16:57 | next topic? | |
16:57 | CanoeBerry | Thanks Tony, great, I and others can help. Chris Leonard too I'm sure still deeply cares, to consult on an effective handoff. |
16:57 | walterbender | just heard from Chris |
16:58 | I have one more topic | |
16:58 | kaametza | we did add the complete "awajun" native language last year... but there were non Trip Advisor funds |
16:58 | walterbender | #topic GSoC |
16:58 | llaske | yes ! |
16:59 | I've got ideas | |
16:59 | walterbender | I want to make sure I have the go ahead before applying on behalf of Sugar Labs. |
16:59 | llaske | should put on the wiki |
16:59 | pikurasa | walterbender: I just happened to stumble into this meeting. Let me know if you need anything. |
16:59 | kaametza | CanoeBerry, what was the topic you wanted to share? |
17:00 | walterbender | kaametza, can we please wrap up GSoC before switching to the next topic |
17:00 | CanoeBerry | kaametza: in a minute when GSoC discussion done, yeah. |
17:00 | walterbender | any questions about GSoC? |
17:01 | and comments? | |
17:01 | kaametza | oh ok sorry |
17:01 | walterbender | If we do apply, I need a co-administrator. |
17:01 | GrannieB | How about some documentation projects for GSoC? |
17:01 | walterbender | I can ask Martin again, but he may not have time. |
17:01 | llaske | I could be co-administrator if you want |
17:01 | CanoeBerry | llaske: great! |
17:02 | walterbender | llaske, I was fishing for that response :) |
17:02 | sverma | +1 for llakse |
17:02 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> +1! |
17:02 | sverma | *llaske |
17:02 | llaske | Thanks :-) |
17:02 | Claudua | +1 |
17:03 | walterbender | can I assume if yo +1 llaske as co-admin that you are also +1 to our participating? |
17:03 | Claudua | yes |
17:03 | llaske | of course :-) |
17:03 | tony__ | +1 |
17:03 | sverma | +1 on participation in GSoC |
17:03 | CanoeBerry | +1 |
17:03 | walterbender | OK. I'll finish the application over the weekend |
17:04 | llaske, FYI, https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016 | |
17:04 | llaske | Yes, seen it |
17:04 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, you had another topic? |
17:04 | llaske, I'll link it from the main GSoC page | |
17:04 | kaametza | walterbender, will mentors get the Us$ 500 this time or will they stay in SL accounts ? |
17:05 | llaske | okay |
17:05 | walterbender | kaametza, we can certainly revisit that. |
17:05 | llaske | I think that it's better to let it to SL |
17:05 | kaametza | mentors may need the motivation ;D |
17:06 | walterbender | kaametza, that has not been the case in the past, but we can discuss it at the next meeting, once we let the community know that we are seeking mentors |
17:06 | llaske | +1 |
17:07 | CanoeBerry | Final microtopic from me: can we quickly clarify what +1 board votes mean? In the past it was 4 of 7 oversight board members was required, with email votes accepted. And a 2/3 vote (constitutional majority) if we are changing voting procedures or removing people or Real Serious Stuff (TM). I'm assuming we're continuing with both those Sugar Labs voting protocols. |
17:07 | walterbender | #topic voting |
17:07 | CanoeBerry | I'm trying to clarify if there is a sunset window on such board votes, if the 4th vote (or 5th vote in the case of "constitutional" issues) can come 6 months later or whatever? (or Walter do you remember if we set a sunset timeframe, such that the vote has to be completed within 2 weeks or such?) |
17:08 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, I didn't make a formal motion re GSoC -- I was just trying to get feedback. |
17:08 | CanoeBerry | Cool |
17:08 | My question is general above. | |
17:08 | llaske | May be we could differentiate vote session with a specific tag |
17:09 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, In general, we need a majority (4) votes to pass a motion |
17:09 | CanoeBerry | Is the 4th vote (or 5th vote) accepted months later? Or not? |
17:09 | walterbender | an as a rule, it has never come up (to my recollection) that we've had to apply any sunset |
17:10 | GrannieB | It makes sense to do so |
17:10 | CanoeBerry | I remember we talked about a sunset (vote before next meeting or some such) but can't remember what we decided. |
17:10 | walterbender | but I suppose having some rules about these corner cases would be good to have on the books |
17:10 | CanoeBerry, I have no strong feelings about it except to say we should decide on some process. | |
17:11 | CanoeBerry | Also removal or SLOBS members needs to be clarified, yes -- as majority votes are difficult when someone (like Chris Leonard, regrettably) gets pulled away in the middle of a multiyear term. |
17:11 | walterbender | again, in 8 years it has never been an issue, but that could change |
17:11 | CanoeBerry, ^ was in regard to sunset votes | |
17:11 | GrannieB | Questions should not be left hanging. You can always have another vote if needed |
17:12 | llaske | Is there any rules written regarding SLOB ? |
17:12 | CanoeBerry | On the removal of board members who stop participating (for family/health reasons, or whatever) we do need clarification. |
17:12 | GrannieB | +1 |
17:12 | CanoeBerry | And what procedure will replace the board member needs to be more crisp. |
17:12 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, agreed. but can we finish up sunset first? |
17:12 | CanoeBerry | Sure |
17:12 | walterbender | do you have a proposal? a motion? |
17:13 | #topic sunset rules on voting | |
17:13 | CanoeBerry | Ideas from others: I'm not sure if a 1-month limit to vote makes sense, but it might? |
17:14 | GrannieB | a month is a long time |
17:14 | CanoeBerry | GrannieB: counterpropose something? |
17:14 | llaske | My opinion is that the vote should be instant, not vote later |
17:14 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, I am not sure of the use case |
17:14 | GrannieB | Maybe a week? |
17:14 | CanoeBerry | Email voting is needed by folks in offline countries who simply cannot vote live, or get online that same week. |
17:14 | llaske | If we've got the quorum why wait for more votes ? |
17:14 | GrannieB | instant is good |
17:15 | walterbender | we vote only when we have a quorum |
17:15 | GrannieB | +1 Lionel |
17:15 | walterbender | but say we only have 4 members |
17:15 | and we have a 3-1 vote | |
17:15 | CanoeBerry | I disagree that 4 board members can act alone. |
17:15 | GrannieB | +1 |
17:15 | CanoeBerry | During a live quorum, requiring unanimity on each vote. That's not the way we've done things. |
17:15 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> 4 members is *cuorum, and majority |
17:16 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, if 4 members vote +1 then it passes... why not? |
17:16 | tony__ | CanoeBerry: perhaps you could propose a procedure at the next meeting |
17:16 | CanoeBerry | 4 votes can occur by email when a board member cannot possibly join the live meeting, during the ensuing week or month. |
17:16 | This is how it's always occurred. | |
17:16 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, I agree with tony__ ... a description of the problem and a proposal at the next meeting would be helpful |
17:17 | CanoeBerry | Some votes occur without any meeting at all -- when urgent matters have come up. |
17:17 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, I cannot recall that ever happening |
17:17 | but I suppose it could | |
17:17 | GrannieB | You don't want to get bogged down waiting for a decision. A week at most if it is something that can't wait until the next meeting |
17:17 | CanoeBerry | Tony & Lionel need to understand how this has worked in the past (as I just explained -- live meetings don't happen in time, or critical board members unable to attend that month). |
17:17 | GrannieB | Votes without a meeting??? Sounds very illegal |
17:18 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> In accordance with seeing proposal |
17:18 | walterbender | hadn't had any better luck soliciting votes in email than at meetings :P |
17:18 | GrannieB, I don't think we have ever voted without a meeting | |
17:18 | CanoeBerry | GrannieB: please clarify why illegal? If published on public mailing lists or similar, what is illegal about this? |
17:18 | walterbender | but sometimes we ask people who are absent to vote by email afterwards |
17:19 | CanoeBerry, we do need to see a motion | |
17:19 | GrannieB | If published in advance? or after the fact? |
17:19 | walterbender | have that motion seconded |
17:19 | CanoeBerry | This is a longstanding practice. Nothing has changed. |
17:19 | walterbender | have a discusion |
17:19 | and then vote | |
17:19 | GrannieB | no smoke-filled back rooms |
17:19 | CanoeBerry | I want folks to be aware of history. |
17:19 | walterbender | but I don |
17:19 | t see why we cannot do those steps in email | |
17:19 | CanoeBerry | If folks want to suppress votes by email, they need to propose a motion. |
17:20 | Saying that. | |
17:20 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, back to the topic of sunset |
17:20 | can you prepare a description of the problem and a proposed solution for the next meeting? | |
17:21 | sverma | Friendly reminder: we are 20 minutes past our meeting slot. |
17:21 | CanoeBerry | I just want clarity. And we now have (partial) clarity -- as is there is no sunset on email votes. |
17:21 | We can move onto the next topic. | |
17:21 | sverma | I have to leave in 9 minutes |
17:22 | llaske | same as sverma for me |
17:22 | CanoeBerry | If folks want a sunset on voting, they need to propose a motion. Let's move on. |
17:22 | walterbender | #agreed CanoeBerry will summarize the sunset issues for the next meeting |
17:22 | next topic??? | |
17:22 | sverma | I'd like to propose a macrotopic, but I'll do so in the next meeting or so. It has to do with getting an idea about our strategic direction, which can then inform us on directions with marketing, etc. |
17:22 | walterbender | sverma, +1 |
17:23 | llaske | +1 |
17:23 | kaametza | Sorry I do have a late question, regarding finances... does the board plan to share the SL finantial current status with the community, like in the wiki page and email list? any one in charge of that? |
17:23 | walterbender | #agreed tony__ will organize a team to look into i18n strategies and report at the next meeting |
17:23 | CanoeBerry | sunset issue is completely summarized above. Next topic is removal of board members who do not participate sufficiently, making decisionmaking and voting difficult if not impossible. We can take that up next mtg if time's up now. |
17:23 | walterbender | ^^ forgot to enter that into the minutes earlier |
17:23 | #agreed llaske and walter will admin the GSoC 2016 program | |
17:24 | tony__ | and that SugarLabs will apply to participate |
17:24 | walterbender | #agreed CanoeBerry will summerize removal of board members for discussion at the next meeing |
17:24 | tony__, yes... | |
17:25 | #agreed to participate in GSoC 2016 (if Google accepts us) | |
17:25 | CanoeBerry | Clarification: if we (SLOBS) want to change sunset-voting procedures or removal of non-participating SLOBS members, it will need a supermajority of 2/3 votes (5 of 7) as these a certainly constitutional-level decisions. |
17:25 | llaske | Plus, I will ask to Sean how we could reborn a marketing team |
17:25 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, again, please summarze for us for the next meeing |
17:26 | #agreed llaske and sverma will look into revitalizing the marketing team | |
17:26 | we should wrap up as it is getting late for some folks | |
17:26 | great start to the new SLOB membership | |
17:26 | CanoeBerry | A clean criterion for identifying non-participating board members, and clean procedure for replacing them is all we need. I can make suggestions next meeting but others need to as well! |
17:26 | walterbender | thanks all for coming |
17:27 | kaametza | Sorry I still do have a late question, regarding finances... does the board plan to share the SL finantial current status with the community, like in the wiki page and email list? any one in charge of that? |
17:27 | tony__ | bye |
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17:27 | llaske | Thanks to manage it walterbender |
17:27 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, ^^ kaametza's quesiton |
17:28 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> I have to leave... Greetings |
17:28 | CanoeBerry | kaametza: I don't know how often I should interact with SFC (who seem extremely competent, but very busy) but more reporting would be useful for sure. |
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17:28 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: can you remind all where the above transcript will be published, to start this off? |
17:28 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, maybe summarize Bradley's email in the wiki? |
17:29 | CanoeBerry | Ok |
17:29 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, I publish minutes and the log for every meeting in the wiki |
17:29 | kaametza | CanoeBerry, thanks! I guess the first "marketing" SL requires is to pubish updated info |
17:29 | CanoeBerry | URL please, so it's easier for all to find? |
17:29 | walterbender | https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]ght_Board/Minutes |
17:29 | CanoeBerry | Thx! |
17:30 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, and we have https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]t_Board/Decisions |
17:30 | I will update both pages to reflect the new board | |
17:30 | CanoeBerry | Great |
17:30 | walterbender | OK... anything else? |
17:31 | we already lost tony and JM | |
17:31 | 5 | |
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17:31 | CanoeBerry | Sorry Tony, 3 votes for you next time staying up after 1AM, hah ;) |
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17:33 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
17:33 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Feb 12 17:33:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
17:33 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-12T16:06:14.html | |
17:33 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]16-02-12T16:06:14 | |
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