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#sugar-meeting, 2015-10-12

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11:15 meeting <meeting!~sugaroid@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
13:39 c0mrad3 <c0mrad3!uid26809@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unorzglinbootyfn> has joined #sugar-meeting
16:42 c0mrad3 hi :)
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21:24 i5o is now known as ignacio
21:41 Unimauro <Unimauro!~webchat@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
21:42 Unimauro Hello sorry for the late
21:44 ignacio Unimauro➤ I think the meeting starts in 2 hours
21:50 Unimauro Great thank you
21:56 ignacio Unimauro➤ si hablas español puedes unirte a #sugar-meeting-es
22:06 Quozl` i think the meeting starts in 55 minutes.  check your utc offset?
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22:31 Quozl` GrannieB: hi.
22:33 Cerlyn <Cerlyn!~ALIEN@107-143-88-205.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net> has joined #sugar-meeting
22:35 GrannieB Hi
22:41 walterbender <walterbender!~walter@146-115-134-246.c3-0.nwt-ubr​1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com> has joined #sugar-meeting
22:41 Quozl` walterbender: g'day.
22:41 walterbender hi Quozl`
22:42 Quozl`, FYI, I have been experimenting with collaboration on 108
22:42 some progress with Sam's TEXT CHANNEL patch
22:45 Quozl` ok.
22:51 walterbender any SLOB members around?
22:51 CanoeBerry, ?
22:55 GrannieB Adam is planning to attend. But he was also planning to call me...
22:56 I'm working with Rosamel Ramirez in Uruguay to help her get signed on
22:56 walterbender GrannieB, cannot she connect with http://chat.sugarlabs.org ?
22:56 Quozl` GrannieB: can Rosamel open a web page link?
22:56 sammeister <sammeister!~samsongod@cx.diffens.com> has joined #sugar-meeting
22:57 sammeister Hi all
22:57 QuozlTest <QuozlTest!~webchat@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
22:57 QuozlTest Could be really difficult for anybody unfamiliar with web browsing.
22:58 tch__ <tch__!~tch@146-115-134-246.c3-0.nwt-ubr​1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com> has joined #sugar-meeting
22:58 Quozl` tch__: hello.
22:58 tch__ Quozl`, hello james!
22:58 Quozl`, how have you been?
22:59 Quozl` tch__: fine thanks.
22:59 tch__ Quozl`, good!
23:00 walterbender Quozl`, what could really difficult? and who these days in unfamiliar with web browsing?
23:01 JM_ <JM_!~webchat@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
23:01 meeting * Jose_Miguel-es has joined
23:01 <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello!
23:01 walterbender hola JM_
23:01 GrannieB She is trying to sign on with an iPhone
23:01 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello Walter!
23:01 Quozl` walterbender: nobody we talk to, of course.  there's this filter in front of us; have to be able to follow sequential instructions.  but i've met people who can't even do that.
23:02 Cerlyn I have no idea if Adam even can really connect where he is
23:02 walterbender JM_, so far, just the two of us from SLOB
23:02 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> *Uh! We are to time still...
23:02 Quozl` GrannieB: i've signed in using Safari on Mac OS X, and iPhone has Safari too.  What is the problem?
23:03 walterbender well, we can get started and make it official if and when we have a quorum
23:03 #start-meeting
23:03 meeting Meeting started Mon Oct 12 23:03:08 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
23:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
23:03 walterbender Welcome everyone
23:03 If/when we have a quorum, we can bless this meeting as official, but meanwhile, lots to discuss.
23:04 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> ;)
23:04 walterbender I've asked tch__ to start us off with an update regarding Sugar development
23:04 #topic the Next Release
23:05 CanoeBerry Cerlyn & All: howdy..
23:05 walterbender hi adam
23:05 tch__ I think we should put the time-based releases aside for 108, until we have something more substantial to release...
23:05 walterbender such as... working collaboration :)
23:05 tch__ exactly,
23:06 Quozl` that is, working collaboration without workarounds that fedora doesn't like.
23:06 walterbender Quozl`, yes... working out of the box
23:06 tch__ Quozl`, yes, samdroid and walter had an interesting breakthrough this weekend,
23:07 Quozl` a cost of doing business with fedora.
23:08 walterbender my personal goal is stability
23:08 icarito tch__, when do you think we should have another sugar release?
23:08 tch__ there have been other improvements, so I will just make a 107 release just to make it clear that we are still moving forward
23:08 icarito, when its done? hehe
23:08 Quozl` tch__: re time-based releases, i don't mind either way, but i suggest not releasing 107 until 108 is imminent.
23:09 tch__ Quozl`, well, these odd release are just for organizing the development process, have no other value
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23:10 Quozl` tch__: do we get any serious testing of the odd-numbered releases?  i've been a bit suspicious of the test coverage in the past year.
23:10 walterbender icarito, is there some time pressure you are feeling for a new release
23:10 icarito tch__, the target was releasing in December, right? You don't think there will be significant improvement to release by then?
23:11 walterbender icarito, the collaboration bits may not be finished by then
23:11 or well tested :P
23:11 tch__ Quozl`, we do have testing, but we can certainly do better... we need more community involvement
23:11 icarito walterbender, it's just a measure of the health of the community, also we agreed it would be good to release in time by southern hemisphere schoolyear
23:11 Quozl` tch__: yes, we're not getting enough community involvement, but delaying releases won't help with that.
23:12 tch__ Quozl`, I think we should do a 107 release so we can make it happen, but we can have as many 107.x release as we need
23:12 walterbender icarito, would anyone care if we release something without significant improvements?
23:13 Quozl` walterbender: i think the collaboration rework can be held off until everything works.  separate branch, perhaps.
23:13 walterbender I think that is tch__ 's point
23:13 icarito walterbender, I don't know, do you think they have cared in the past?
23:13 walterbender icarito, I don't know, but we have had significant changes with each release in the past
23:13 GrannieB <GrannieB!~webchat@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
23:13 walterbender right now, very little by way of changes in the 108 queue
23:14 except the collaboration bits, which may or may not be ready for December
23:14 icarito walterbender, it has always been a good sign that we have had consistent releases. I don't think changes have been so significant between several versions.
23:15 walterbender icarito, I won't argue with you but I will point out that our release manager has the final say in this matter
23:15 icarito yes I was going to say that too
23:15 Quozl` i think the changes since 0.106.1 are significant, but i'm having a hard time identifying the 0.106.1 release in the master branch.  i can only find 0.106.0.
23:16 walterbender maybe we should continue this discussion the devel list and move on to other topics here.
23:16 tch__ Quozl`, well, things moved forward in master, and not all that was safe for a bug fix release, so 0.106.1 exists only in a branch (safe from unnecesary changes)
23:17 Quozl` walterbender: agreed, move on, consider the above a progress report from release engineer, with discussion.  ;-)
23:18 tch__ anyway, what I am suggesting is, we do 107.x release until we get enough progress on collaboration
23:18 walterbender, sure, we can continue on ML
23:18 walterbender thanks for the update tch__
23:18 #topic GCI
23:19 just an update: I have solicited enough (5-6) mentors to feel comfortable applying for GCI again this year
23:19 hopefully it will mean more new contributors :)
23:19 Quozl` can you list the mentors?
23:19 walterbender I'll keep SLOB abreast of the application process.
23:19 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent!
23:19 walterbender German in NI
23:20 A couple of GSOC participants in IN
23:20 a couple of former Python Joven hackers in UY
23:20 and tch and myself
23:20 I could use more of course, but I think we can make do with that team
23:21 any other comments/suggestions?
23:22 Quozl` thanks.  i've no comments or suggestions.
23:22 walterbender #topic membership/election
23:22 GrannieB, any updates since last week?
23:23 GrannieB newsletter is almost ready
23:23 waiting in Adam
23:23 walterbender oh... so same as last week :)
23:23 GrannieB for "server report"
23:24 no… much closer to ready
23:24 walterbender GrannieB, did you need anything more from me? any of those pictures useful?
23:24 GrannieB yes! great pics
23:25 is pdf format ok?
23:25 walterbender GrannieB, anything sense of what the schedule will be for the election?
23:25 GrannieB, PDF is fine
23:26 GrannieB we are still looking at the end of December
23:26 sorry… mid December
23:27 walterbender mid-December for the election itself? can you fill in the dates for everything else that needs to happen?
23:27 GrannieB It hasn't changed as I see it
23:28 CanoeBerry GrannieB & All: can these dates be posted to something like http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]5-2016-candidates ?
23:28 walterbender GrannieB, so when do you want people to "declare" themselves as candidates?
23:29 GrannieB October was the origingal time… But I think mid-November might be OK if we don't get enough
23:30 They would still have 2 weeks to do their statements (by end of Nov.)
23:30 walterbender GrannieB, will you guys create a fresh page in the wiki for the upcoming election? the 2014 page is a bit stale
23:30 GrannieB Samson was going to do it
23:31 walterbender OK... perhaps you can remind him :P
23:31 GrannieB Yep will do
23:31 walterbender we can add a link from the landing page of the wiki as well
23:31 GrannieB and in the newsletter
23:32 walterbender +1
23:32 anything else you guys want to report?
23:32 GrannieB not now
23:33 walterbender OK. Thanks for the update
23:33 #topic RED
23:33 just wanted to share the URL for the journal RED that has many Sugar-related articles
23:33 http://www.um.es/ead/red/46/
23:33 #link http://www.um.es/ead/red/46/
23:34 JM_ has an article
23:34 so does Claudia and me
23:34 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Walter and Claudia also...
23:34 walterbender and a nice one from .UY about robots and sensors
23:34 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> And Andrés...
23:34 <Jose_Miguel-es> And many more.
23:34 walterbender and a nice one about Turtle Blocks workshops by Josh Burker
23:35 I think it is great to have some academic perspective on our work
23:35 Quozl` are there english translations of the papers?
23:36 walterbender Quozl`, I have .EN of some of them. Let me know which ones you are interested in.
23:36 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> There  only the *resumenes...
23:37 walterbender JM_, the paper on Butia was written in English and translated to ES
23:37 Josh's paper is only in English :)
23:38 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> And they are available?
23:38 walterbender Claudia and I wrote ours in English too... not sure if it was translated into Spanish
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23:38 walterbender JM_, I can make those three available in English
23:39 I will post them
23:39 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> *Ok.
23:39 walterbender well... that is all on my list...
23:39 oh... one more thing
23:39 #topic Music Blocks
23:40 almost to V1.0 of a new fork of Turtle designed to give kids a structured introduction to music. Really fun.
23:40 walterbender.github.io/musicblocks
23:40 enjoy
23:40 now I am done :)
23:41 anyone else with discussion topics?
23:41 Quozl` nothing from me.
23:42 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> At all of my...
23:42 <Jose_Miguel-es> *Nothing *for Me
23:43 walterbender CanoeBerry, ???
23:44 Cerlyn Fedora supposedly approved a bundling measure where apps could have their own library versions (such as for collaboration).  However it is not preferred, and said libraries have to be explicitly declared.
23:44 CanoeBerry Nothing immediate?
23:45 walterbender Cerlyn, yeah... was discussed at the GNOME Boston hackfest this weekend
23:45 tch__, attended on behalf of SL
23:45 CanoeBerry I and Caryl were wondering about http://sugarizer.org - any offhand news here?
23:46 walterbender CanoeBerry, maybe we can get Lionel to report in next time
23:46 CanoeBerry, lots of progress over the summer, in part thanks to GSoC
23:46 tch__, will see Lionel at Google in a few weeks: the GSoC mentors summit
23:47 well... getting near dinner time here. Thanks everyone
23:47 Quozl` sugarizer, i like how the home view has an icon for the network view.
23:47 CanoeBerry walterbender: cool, sugarizer.org's defin expanded since this spring.
23:48 walterbender Quozl`, maybe start a thread on the [DESIGN] list
23:48 3
23:48 CanoeBerry 2
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23:50 walterbender #end-meeting
23:50 meeting Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 23:50:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
23:50 Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-12T23:03:08.html
23:50 Log:     http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]15-10-12T23:03:08
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