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| 20:58 | Quozl` | . |
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| 22:49 | Quozl` | . |
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| 22:56 | Quozl` | walterbender: hi. |
| 22:57 | walterbender | hi Quozl` |
| 22:57 | good morning | |
| 22:58 | let's hope for a quorum this time :) | |
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| 22:59 | walterbender | ClaudiaU_, ping |
| 23:01 | aargh... fewer SLOB members than even last week. | |
| 23:01 | we need to rethink this structure | |
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| 23:03 | meeting | * Jose_Miguel-es has joined |
| 23:03 | <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello! | |
| 23:03 | walterbender | JM_, hola |
| 23:04 | JM_, we wait again for our peers to appear :P | |
| 23:04 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> What such, Walter? |
| 23:04 | <Jose_Miguel-es> *Ok | |
| 23:04 | walterbender | JM_, I have been working on Music Blocks |
| 23:04 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent! |
| 23:04 | walterbender | it is the music extension to Turtle Blocks |
| 23:04 | it will be very cool when I am finished | |
| 23:05 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> If... |
| 23:05 | <Jose_Miguel-es> *Yes... | |
| 23:05 | <Jose_Miguel-es> Sure! | |
| 23:05 | walterbender | I have a workshop planned with the conductor of the Miami orchestra to use it |
| 23:05 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> *Uh! |
| 23:05 | walterbender | but I have many bugs to fix before it is usable |
| 23:05 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Very good! |
| 23:05 | <Jose_Miguel-es> :( | |
| 23:06 | <Jose_Miguel-es> Have planned some trip south? We are seeing to do the *Tortugart *day | |
| 23:06 | walterbender | JM_, I have 20 hours of traveling to Dubai tomorrow... hopefully I can use it to kill some bugs :) |
| 23:07 | It would be great to do another Tortugart Day in Montevideo | |
| 23:07 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> ;) Dubai is not near of Montevideo... ;) |
| 23:07 | walterbender | not too close, no |
| 23:07 | I think it will be a separate trip | |
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| 23:11 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, it is just you, JM_ and me again so far |
| 23:12 | CanoeBerry | o dear~ |
| 23:12 | walterbender | I have a bunch of things we need to "vote" on. I guess I can send an email and do it that way. |
| 23:14 | Quozl` | comment; as long as you get votes from every member, sure. if you don't, then it doesn't work as a process. ;-) if people try to reply and change what is being voted on, it also doesn't work well. |
| 23:15 | (been there with other orgs). | |
| 23:15 | walterbender | Quozl`, I agree. would much rather have a meeting... but two confirmed members are once again no shows |
| 23:16 | Quozl` | might be time to ask them why. |
| 23:16 | walterbender | FWIW, we have an ask from the SFC regarding our trademark |
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| 23:17 | walterbender | ah... a quorum |
| 23:17 | let's get started | |
| 23:17 | #start-meeting | |
| 23:17 | gonzalo | hello all |
| 23:17 | meeting | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 23:17:25 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 23:17 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 23:17 | <Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent... | |
| 23:17 | Quozl` | attends as observer |
| 23:17 | walterbender | great to have a quorum :) |
| 23:17 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello! |
| 23:17 | walterbender | #topic trademark |
| 23:18 | Did everyone see the note from the SFC regarding our trademark? | |
| 23:18 | gonzalo | yes |
| 23:18 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> *Yes. |
| 23:18 | walterbender | from tony: Hi, all: FYI, I will be filing affidavits required to maintain the |
| 23:18 | registration of Sugar Labs' trademarks[1] with the USPTO. The affidavit | |
| 23:18 | filing fees amount to $100/registered mark, or $200, and are required to | |
| 23:18 | maintain the registrations. | |
| 23:18 | I think we should approve this | |
| 23:19 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Of agreement. |
| 23:19 | walterbender | let me make a formal motion and we can discuss before a vote |
| 23:20 | motion: approve the expenditure of $600 on maintaining our trademark as per the notification from Tony Sebro of the SFC | |
| 23:20 | anyone to second the motion? | |
| 23:21 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> It is a problem abandon the mark, as it runs the risk that it was registered by others, for afterwards earn by his use. |
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| 23:21 | walterbender | hi claudia |
| 23:21 | claudia_ | hello |
| 23:21 | walterbender | we are discussing the trademark maintenance |
| 23:21 | claudia_ | how are you? |
| 23:21 | CanoeBerry | Can we get a rough reminder how much is "in the bank" ? |
| 23:21 | walterbender | JM_, I think the issue is that we want to ensure that no one uses our mark to mislead others |
| 23:22 | CanoeBerry, I don't know... that remains opaque. | |
| 23:22 | CanoeBerry, but that said, we just got a 6K donation from Google | |
| 23:22 | as a thank you for GCI | |
| 23:22 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Exact! |
| 23:23 | walterbender | so I don't think it is a worry to spend $600. |
| 23:23 | CanoeBerry | OK |
| 23:23 | Motion seconded. | |
| 23:24 | walterbender | any more discussion? |
| 23:24 | gonzalo | walterbender, how much time we will have the trademark protected? |
| 23:24 | claudia_ | talking about this... Irma (UY) sent me a request to provide a letter to "certify" she is a sugarlabs colunteer |
| 23:24 | *volunteer | |
| 23:24 | walterbender | I think it is 5 more years |
| 23:24 | gonzalo | walterbender, ok, thanks |
| 23:24 | claudia_ | ok with me too |
| 23:25 | walterbender | gonzalo, actually, I think it maybe longer |
| 23:25 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Voucher with me |
| 23:25 | walterbender | I can double-check with Tony |
| 23:25 | CanoeBerry | many sites seem to say 10: "You must renew your trademark registration between the 9th and 10th year following your registration date, and each successive ten-year period thereafter." |
| 23:26 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, that is what I thought. Not sure why Tony thinks we need to do it now |
| 23:26 | We can ask him. | |
| 23:26 | I think this is actually a one-time maintenance issue about incontestability | |
| 23:26 | it strengthens our claim | |
| 23:27 | I defer to the lawyers in this case | |
| 23:27 | CanoeBerry | Clarif: "You must file the Combined Declaration, specimen, and fee on a date that falls on or between the fifth (5th) and sixth (6th) anniversaries of the registration (or, for an extra fee of $100.00 per class, you may file within the six-month grace period following the sixth anniversary date)." http://www.uspto.gov/trademark[…]ration-maintenanc |
| 23:27 | erenewalcorrection-forms | |
| 23:27 | walterbender | so it seems it is time to file |
| 23:28 | shall we vote? | |
| 23:28 | CanoeBerry | Yes, and the every-10-year stuff happens later, starting 9th/10th year. |
| 23:28 | gonzalo | walterbender, yes |
| 23:28 | walterbender | yes |
| 23:28 | CanoeBerry | +1 |
| 23:28 | walterbender | +1 |
| 23:28 | gonzalo | +1 |
| 23:28 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> +1 |
| 23:29 | walterbender | claudia_, ? |
| 23:29 | claudia_ | +1 |
| 23:30 | walterbender | motion passes :) |
| 23:30 | thanks everyone | |
| 23:30 | #topic Google programs | |
| 23:30 | claudia_ | :) |
| 23:31 | walterbender | We just finished up GSoC. |
| 23:31 | had very good work done on 5 of 6 projects | |
| 23:32 | one fail :( | |
| 23:32 | and as I mentioned, we just got $6000 US from Google as a thank you for our participation in GCI last year | |
| 23:32 | which brings me to GCI 2015/16 | |
| 23:33 | claudia_ | great... I have not followed the projects at all |
| 23:33 | walterbender | the announcement for applications will be made soon |
| 23:33 | do we want to participate again this year? | |
| 23:33 | if so, I will prepare the application | |
| 23:34 | (it is a lot of work to prepare, so I don't want to do it if we don't have consensus) | |
| 23:34 | gonzalo | walterbender, i can't compromise time in the near future, sorry |
| 23:34 | claudia_ | you do a lot of the work... I feel it is such a great opportunity to do work with countries.. but it is hard |
| 23:34 | walterbender | gonzalo, mentor time is of the essence. |
| 23:35 | I have a new project I am involved in that is taking a lot of my time as well | |
| 23:35 | so I may be less able to give instant feedback 24/7 | |
| 23:36 | I guess I need to feel out the community to see if there will be sufficient support. | |
| 23:36 | if so, I think we should do it as I think it is both a great tool for us... it is how we found, for example, samdroid | |
| 23:36 | but also, it is in the spirit of what Sugar Labs is supposed to be doing | |
| 23:37 | encouraging our users to become developers | |
| 23:37 | claudia_ | walterbender: asking if the community wants to propose and mentor projects |
| 23:37 | gonzalo | walterbender, if we don't have resources to do good mentoring, i prefer skip this year |
| 23:37 | walterbender | claudia_, I ask ever year and most often generate the project list myself |
| 23:37 | last year samdroid helped me :) | |
| 23:38 | gonzalo | sorry to sound pessimistic, but we need be responsible |
| 23:38 | walterbender | note that he did not work on any of the projects he proposed :) |
| 23:38 | gonzalo, I agree. It has largely been on my shoulders and I cannot do it by myself this year | |
| 23:38 | Quozl` | comment: overextending seems much more likely to occur given who is available this time. |
| 23:39 | gonzalo | walterbender, i know you do a big part of the job |
| 23:39 | walterbender | gonzalo, you don't know the half of it :P |
| 23:39 | gonzalo | sure |
| 23:40 | walterbender | I did manage to find new mentors for GSoC, all of whom worked out very well |
| 23:40 | maybe I can find new mentors for GCI | |
| 23:40 | I will try | |
| 23:40 | and get back to you about my results | |
| 23:41 | meanwhile I will not submit an application. | |
| 23:41 | claudia_ | ok |
| 23:41 | walterbender | #topic membership and the election |
| 23:42 | as per claudia_ 's question earlier, irma should get onto the members list | |
| 23:42 | claudia_ | ok |
| 23:42 | walterbender | and certainly JM_ could vouch for her |
| 23:42 | meanwhile I have heard nothing from icarito etr al. about the election | |
| 23:43 | gonzalo | walterbender, claudia, irma is already in the list |
| 23:43 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> *Ok |
| 23:43 | gonzalo | she need a paper to present in a training she is doing |
| 23:43 | i don't know if we have a procedure to extend community participation certificates | |
| 23:44 | walterbender | I think it is fine to have a SLOB member write something |
| 23:44 | and maybe we can turn it into a standard form? | |
| 23:44 | gonzalo | claudia_, can you do it? |
| 23:44 | claudia_ | sounds good to me |
| 23:45 | I can work on it... and circulate | |
| 23:45 | who would sign? | |
| 23:45 | walterbender | I think any SLOB member could do it unilaterally |
| 23:45 | claudia_ | ok |
| 23:46 | walterbender | but I suppose we should discuss |
| 23:46 | claudia_ | I can sign |
| 23:46 | I will do the form first and circulate before I move forward | |
| 23:47 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> It is good idea. |
| 23:49 | walterbender | regardless of the wording, we should have a process by which such certificates are issed |
| 23:49 | claudia_ | the topic came up with Tony too.. for the paper Walter, Tony, Andres, Guzman wrote |
| 23:49 | walterbender | would be nice if we dont have to debate each instance at these meetings |
| 23:49 | but had a simple mechanism | |
| 23:49 | claudia_ | agree |
| 23:50 | walterbender | I propose that SLOB members be empowered with unilateral decisionmaking power |
| 23:50 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Of agreement. And do a register of each one... |
| 23:50 | <Jose_Miguel-es> Perhaps public? | |
| 23:50 | walterbender | JM_, yes... we can report at these meetings any certificates we issue |
| 23:51 | so it is part of the public record | |
| 23:51 | claudia_ | perhaps have some requirements.. |
| 23:51 | meeting | <Jose_Miguel-es> Of agreement |
| 23:51 | walterbender | claudia_, I think the requirements are so varied in terms of what partiicpation is... teachers, coders, etc. |
| 23:52 | so I think a human judgment is appropriate | |
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| 23:52 | claudia_ | we could say "meet at least 2 out of 5 requirements" |
| 23:53 | gonzalo | we should solve this just requesting confirmation from another slob member in mailing list or something similar |
| 23:54 | walterbender | gonzalo, not sure that helps with claudia_ 's question |
| 23:54 | ignacio | Hi anyone |
| 23:54 | gonzalo | walterbender, re: requirements? |
| 23:54 | claudia_ | until we have a process in place, I can draft something and circulate with Walter |
| 23:55 | ignacio | *everyone :) |
| 23:55 | gonzalo | claudia_, +1 |
| 23:55 | walterbender | hi ignacio |
| 23:55 | +1 claudia_ | |
| 23:55 | gonzalo | hi ignacio |
| 23:56 | claudia_ | ok |
| 23:56 | thanks | |
| 23:56 | Walter... did you mention the articles? | |
| 23:56 | ignacio | about gci (I know I'm late) I received a few questions from young/classmates about the contest |
| 23:56 | I think we need a better advertise in case that we participate | |
| 23:57 | walterbender | ignacio, maybe you and samdroid and I can discuss after the meeting? |
| 23:57 | ignacio | Oh, sure |
| 23:57 | walterbender | back to the topic for one sec |
| 23:58 | I worry that once again the election process is stalled | |
| 23:58 | can we appoint a SLOB member to work with the committee to make sure things move forward? | |
| 23:58 | any volunteers? | |
| 23:58 | CanoeBerry, ??? | |
| 23:59 | gonzalo | walterbender, at least we should ask to the comite by email and openly in the mailimg list for the status |
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