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| 14:56 | walterbender | hello everyone |
| 14:56 | abhinav | Hello walterbender |
| 14:56 | artista | hello |
| 14:56 | mohayon | Hello |
| 14:57 | walterbender | we'll start in just a few minutes |
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| 15:00 | k_yash | Hello everyone |
| 15:00 | walterbender | #start-meeting |
| 15:00 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Jul 3 15:00:23 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:00 | walterbender | Thanks all for doing evaluations this week. |
| 15:00 | Good news: everyone passed :) | |
| 15:01 | k_yash | walterbender, yayy :D |
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| 15:01 | abhinav | Yayy |
| 15:01 | :D | |
| 15:01 | ishan28mkip | Hello everyone :) |
| 15:01 | walterbender | artista, wanna get us started? |
| 15:02 | artista | sure |
| 15:02 | walterbender | #topic turtle programming |
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| 15:02 | artista | this week we worked on how to use tb to share data between app and tb |
| 15:03 | so that we can encourage some users to code | |
| 15:04 | we decided to use xmlhttprequests to get and post json encoded data | |
| 15:04 | instead of localstorage due to the server constraints | |
| 15:05 | now we have savetoapp and loadfromapp blocks to send adn get data from app | |
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| 15:05 | artista | we are testing it and soon will merge with the master branch right walterbender ? |
| 15:06 | abhinav | artista, isnt xmlHTTPRequests deprecated?? |
| 15:07 | artista | abhinav, I haven't checked for that :P. maybe I'll look for that |
| 15:07 | mohayon | The sync request are deprecated in chrome and ff but not async |
| 15:07 | even if fetch() is coming :) | |
| 15:07 | abhinav | artista, use ajax instead |
| 15:08 | artista | xmlHTTPrequests is an ajax method itself . I guess |
| 15:09 | abhinav | its async instead |
| 15:09 | walterbender | async is better for us anyway |
| 15:10 | abhinav | ajax is async. |
| 15:11 | walterbender | meanwhile, the various forms of action blocks (argument passing, return values, etc) have all landed upstream and had a round of additional debugging this week too :) |
| 15:13 | artista | we also had some heaps block issue and that are also functional now :) |
| 15:13 | ishan28mkip | Isn't xmlHTTPRequest used for AJAX requests? |
| 15:14 | walterbender | ishan28mkip, yes, AFAIK |
| 15:14 | artista | ishan28mkip, I have also read the same |
| 15:14 | walterbender | XMLHttpRequest |
| 15:14 | Marnen | yes, that's the underlying JS method for all browser Ajax calls. |
| 15:16 | walterbender | anyway, something for artista to investigate |
| 15:16 | k_yash | http://www.w3schools.com/ajax/[…]ame=tryajax_first |
| 15:16 | walterbender | will review the code |
| 15:16 | any other comments/questions for artista ? | |
| 15:17 | k_yash, wanna go next? | |
| 15:17 | ishan28mkip | So async requests is what we need. And maybe the jquery wrapper function of ajax is causing the confusion. |
| 15:17 | k_yash | walterbender, ok so hello everyoone |
| 15:17 | walterbender | #topic music |
| 15:17 | devin | Hello! |
| 15:17 | Marnen | Hi |
| 15:18 | k_yash | This week I made few improvements |
| 15:18 | I mentioned all of them in the blog https://sugarizingmusic.wordpress.com/ | |
| 15:19 | devin | Great. I am there right now. I tested out what you did about two days ago. |
| 15:19 | k_yash | I also changed the sound from monoSynth to modulated monoSynth in tone JS |
| 15:20 | devin, most of them I did in last 2 days | |
| 15:20 | devin | So much better sound!!! |
| 15:20 | Thank you for using monosynth!!! | |
| 15:21 | I didn't know how much longer I could listen to the other one. | |
| 15:21 | :) | |
| 15:21 | (I am checking it out right now) http://rawgit.com/khandelwalYa[…]master/index.html | |
| 15:21 | k_yash | devin, :D |
| 15:21 | devin | And the 3/8 works! |
| 15:22 | And the spacing changes! | |
| 15:22 | k_yash | devin, yeah |
| 15:22 | this meets the short term expectations? | |
| 15:23 | devin | Very good work on the improvements. |
| 15:23 | Yes, I am reading the notes from last weeks meeting and think that Walter's idea about repeat is good. We should implement that. | |
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| 15:24 | devin | (and a loop) |
| 15:24 | walterbender | k_yash, why is the play matrix block a "math" block? |
| 15:24 | devin | repeat = finite |
| 15:24 | loop = infinite | |
| 15:24 | k_yash | walterbender, it shows how much delay to be added before playing the matrix |
| 15:25 | walterbender | but it returns a value? |
| 15:25 | devin | Yash, my one (short term) comment with that is that it needs to be labeled as such. |
| 15:25 | walterbender | why a oneArgMath block instead of a oneArg block? |
| 15:25 | k_yash | walterbender, devin, umm yeah that needs to be corrected |
| 15:25 | devin | ...and the unit of measurement needs to be added (milliseconds) |
| 15:26 | k_yash | ok I'll edit the play matrix block |
| 15:27 | devin | As for the large scale, I have told Yash that I think that we need to think of a "Phase 2" to reign in the big picture. We should design a UI and the larger environment for which this will be used. |
| 15:27 | Does that make sense, Walter? | |
| 15:28 | We can continue to work on these functions, but I think that it will help to bring the whole thing together. | |
| 15:28 | ...as we move forward. | |
| 15:28 | walterbender | devin, yes.. the UI is a bit all over the place at the moment |
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| 15:30 | devin | I think that we need to do some "pen and paper" planning and organize the taxonomies, [flow, interface] |
| 15:30 | walterbender | +1 |
| 15:31 | any other input/questions for k_yash ? | |
| 15:31 | devin | I have a meeting with Yash right after this to talk about this, but I will take a large portion of this as my responsibility. |
| 15:31 | walterbender | thx |
| 15:31 | ishan28mkip | Can I go next? |
| 15:31 | devin | I think Yash is doing a great job so far. Glad we chose him! |
| 15:32 | Keep it up! | |
| 15:32 | (over and out) | |
| 15:32 | k_yash | devin, Thanks I appreciate :D :D :D |
| 15:32 | walterbender | ishan28mkip, go for it |
| 15:32 | #topic 3D | |
| 15:32 | richashi | I can go after ishan28mkip |
| 15:33 | ishan28mkip | This week I worked on the next phase. I have more or less completed the palette, only the overflow of palette blocks is left to be dealt with |
| 15:34 | walterbender | ishan28mkip, can you drag palette entries yet? |
| 15:34 | was not working for me last I tried | |
| 15:35 | ishan28mkip | Dragging is functional but because of a error in blocks it was not working |
| 15:35 | Today night they would be draggable | |
| 15:35 | walterbender | nice |
| 15:35 | ishan28mkip | Fixed most of the errors in blocks.js |
| 15:35 | walterbender | then we can start programming :) |
| 15:36 | ishan28mkip | Also wrote the basic functions for turtle and logo |
| 15:36 | Yep I guess the programming would start by this weekend. | |
| 15:36 | Than we can start with adding other features and bug fixing | |
| 15:36 | Then* | |
| 15:37 | walterbender | great |
| 15:37 | ishan28mkip | I also worked on the chase cam. I will upload a preview tomorrow |
| 15:37 | walterbender | looking forward to it |
| 15:38 | ishan28mkip | I was thinking if we should allow panning and zoom? |
| 15:38 | But that would cause problems with touch interfaces | |
| 15:39 | walterbender | we'll want to be able to move the camera... |
| 15:39 | but were you thinking of a UI? | |
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| 15:39 | ishan28mkip | Yup a ui design. |
| 15:39 | walterbender | I was thinking programatically |
| 15:39 | ishan28mkip, we'll have to think about it... in theory, no reason why not | |
| 15:39 | ishan28mkip | Camera can definitely be moved programatically |
| 15:40 | Might hinder with graphical scripting | |
| 15:40 | As in when the mouse is locked in doing panning it might get confusing on how to snap out. I think that would be the only problem | |
| 15:41 | walterbender | ishan28mkip, it can be modal |
| 15:41 | ishan28mkip | Plus touch device support might be tricky. |
| 15:41 | Well I guess yes. | |
| 15:42 | I am scheduling that for the next week. This week we finalize the scripting. | |
| 15:42 | walterbender | something to explore once we get the basics working |
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| 15:42 | ishan28mkip | Yup. Exactly. |
| 15:43 | walterbender | any questions? issues? comments? |
| 15:44 | ishan28mkip | I think that's all from my side. Shaders are giving a bit pain but its manageable. |
| 15:44 | walterbender | OK. thx ishan28mkip |
| 15:44 | richashi, ready? | |
| 15:44 | richashi | yes :) |
| 15:44 | walterbender | #topic programming |
| 15:44 | richashi | This week I completed the code for basic shell. |
| 15:45 | abhinav | Can I go after richashi? |
| 15:45 | richashi | And have uploaded it on github, Here is the link: |
| 15:45 | https://github.com/richaseh/br[…]6d77df48fab7d6e36 | |
| 15:45 | Tony has played with the shell and has told me about some changes that I need to make. For e.g., right now I am opening the shell in a new tab. But as he suggested it would be good to open it on the same tab. | |
| 15:46 | walterbender | why? |
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| 15:47 | richashi | We want to load the already opened window in the current tab in shell |
| 15:47 | Currently, it opens a new shell in a new tab | |
| 15:48 | now, we want to load whatever is present in the current tab, inside the shell | |
| 15:48 | walterbender | OK |
| 15:49 | richashi | This would be helpful in the Web confusion project |
| 15:49 | where we want to open challenges directly in shell | |
| 15:50 | We have started integrating Web confusion with the shell. | |
| 15:50 | walterbender | has been following the progress |
| 15:51 | richashi | sorry. I didn’t understand what you asked |
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| 15:52 | walterbender | richashi, I didn |
| 15:52 | t ask anything | |
| 15:52 | richashi | ok :) |
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| 15:52 | walterbender | any questions for richashi ? |
| 15:53 | richashi | I have also updated the blog. Here is the link: http://richa-gsoc.tumblr.com/ |
| 15:53 | walterbender | thx |
| 15:53 | richashi | Next I will be making the changes told by Tony. |
| 15:53 | And integration of shell with Web confusion project | |
| 15:54 | walterbender | richashi, sounds like a sound plan :) |
| 15:54 | mohayon, next? | |
| 15:54 | richashi | yes :) |
| 15:54 | mohayon | Yes ! |
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| 15:54 | walterbender | #topic JS apps |
| 15:54 | mohayon | So I've been working on the Paint.activity |
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| 15:54 | mohayon | Last week I started using PaperJS. |
| 15:55 | Then I discovered that I was very cpu consumming on mobile | |
| 15:55 | PaperJS keep things all objects in memory | |
| 15:55 | That can be good for some apps but not really for a paint with lots of overdraw | |
| 15:56 | So, I kept PaperJS for the touch/click events handling | |
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| 15:56 | mohayon | (They are great) |
| 15:56 | I migrated the drawing to vanilla js code | |
| 15:56 | walterbender | wonders if that is the same issue I have with EaselJS |
| 15:56 | mohayon | There's some progress on : http://mikklfr.github.io/Paint.activity/ |
| 15:57 | It's not the latest code but can show what's going on | |
| 15:58 | Next improvements are the resizing of stamps and texts, bucket to fill areas. Image insertion, copy paste, filter and collaborations | |
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| 15:59 | walterbender | mohayon, it is nice in its simplicity |
| 16:00 | mohayon | I had made the stamp/text input many times in different ways. |
| 16:00 | For now, you have to pick up a stamp | |
| 16:00 | click where you want to draw it | |
| 16:00 | there are some dots | |
| 16:01 | That means its not drawed inside the painting area. I will add a resize feature | |
| 16:01 | then if you tap it, the stamp will be drawn | |
| 16:01 | walterbender | tries |
| 16:01 | mohayon | Hardest part was to think for both mobile and computer |
| 16:01 | I had some great help by llaske | |
| 16:02 | walterbender | same with the text? |
| 16:02 | mohayon | same thing yes |
| 16:02 | At first you could live edit the text but it wasn't compatible with mobile because of the keyboard popping in and out | |
| 16:02 | walterbender | makes sense |
| 16:03 | mohayon | At first the items were also draggable :) |
| 16:03 | But with the resizing it becamed hard to understand | |
| 16:03 | walterbender | it is hard to position them exactly where one wants them :P |
| 16:04 | maybe we need some handles on the halo? for fine-positioning? | |
| 16:04 | something to think about | |
| 16:04 | mohayon | Yes, I'm thinking about that |
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| 16:04 | walterbender | anyway, a nice start |
| 16:05 | anything else for mohayon ? | |
| 16:05 | mohayon, what app will be next? | |
| 16:05 | mohayon | The Record activity |
| 16:05 | In order to record audio/video/pictures | |
| 16:06 | And the record activity will be useful for the Memorize activity | |
| 16:06 | walterbender | +1 |
| 16:06 | mohayon | In order to create games with sugarizer like on the XO version |
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| 16:10 | walterbender | mohayon, thx for the update |
| 16:10 | I think abhinav is next? | |
| 16:10 | abhinav | Yeah. None is left :) |
| 16:10 | walterbender | #topic collaboration |
| 16:11 | abhinav | This week was the UI week for me. |
| 16:11 | I completely redesigned the UI for collaboration box. | |
| 16:11 | walterbender | abhinav, gonzalo__ tch and I played with the new UI yesterday |
| 16:11 | abhinav | Here is the link |
| 16:11 | walterbender | lots of improvements |
| 16:11 | but still some confusions | |
| 16:11 | abhinav | walterbender, like? |
| 16:12 | walterbender | well, part of it may be bugs elsewhere, but we were all seeing inconsistancies regarding who was around and what gorups were available |
| 16:12 | would be good to know who is in the group you have joined | |
| 16:13 | perhaps more important than knowing who is around in general | |
| 16:13 | and it is still not 100% clear what is shared once you join a group | |
| 16:13 | also, the feedback that you successfully joined is a bit too subtle | |
| 16:14 | still, it is heading in a good direction | |
| 16:14 | abhinav | walterbender, any suggestion on how can I make it less subtle? |
| 16:15 | walterbender | maybe change the appearance of the neighborhood icon? |
| 16:16 | abhinav | Should I change its background color to something else |
| 16:16 | ? | |
| 16:17 | walterbender | something... |
| 16:17 | the details are less important | |
| 16:17 | maybe the color to reflect the current group? | |
| 16:17 | abhinav | Cool. That will be nice |
| 16:18 | walterbender | abhinav, how do you hide the neighborhood panel? and the icon seems to disappear at times too |
| 16:18 | abhinav | just click anywhere else the panel |
| 16:19 | or click on the icon on the bottom right | |
| 16:19 | As in the area which is faded. | |
| 16:19 | I will add a cross button on the top right. | |
| 16:20 | walterbender | OK... seemed the only way was to click off the panel, but then the icon would disappear too |
| 16:21 | abhinav, about the inconsistencies of what groups and what users are around, any ideas? | |
| 16:21 | abhinav | I didnt notice any inconsistencies. |
| 16:22 | Can u point out where and how did u get the inconsistencies? | |
| 16:22 | walterbender | abhinav, when the three of us tried yesterday, it was only after many tries that we saw each other |
| 16:22 | and only a few times did we see the same groups | |
| 16:23 | abhinav | can we try it now? |
| 16:23 | walterbender | sure |
| 16:23 | URL? | |
| 16:23 | maybe some others can join too? | |
| 16:24 | abhinav | http://rawgit.com/abhinavanura[…]master/index.html |
| 16:25 | Did anyone open the link yet? | |
| 16:26 | I got walter and mo | |
| 16:26 | ishan28mkip | I also tried. |
| 16:26 | walterbender | I shared but it said I was not a member of any group |
| 16:26 | then I joined Group 7 | |
| 16:26 | but I don't see any other user's presence | |
| 16:27 | abhinav | I got your group walterbender |
| 16:27 | I know where is the confusion | |
| 16:27 | walterbender | and my neighborhood icon disappeared |
| 16:28 | abhinav | I skipped the changing of text when one shares an activity |
| 16:28 | Disappearing on neighborhood icon is not what I can control. | |
| 16:28 | It will disappear whenever the connection will be broken | |
| 16:29 | and that connection depends on your internet connection. | |
| 16:30 | walterbender | I don't think I am losing my connection |
| 16:30 | also, why does it say I am not a member of any group after I share? | |
| 16:30 | should it tell me the group name that I create when I share? | |
| 16:32 | abhinav | https://github.com/abhinavanur[…]s/presence.js#L70 |
| 16:33 | about the disappearing of neighborhood | |
| 16:33 | walterbender | maybe add some console.log output for debugging? |
| 16:33 | abhinav | cool |
| 16:33 | i will | |
| 16:33 | walterbender | and maybe blog about the expected behavior so we can compare with what we are seeing |
| 16:33 | abhinav | test it rigoursly |
| 16:34 | Yeah. I will do it. I was waiting for sharing the turtle output | |
| 16:34 | walterbender | abhinav, OK. I'll keep testing periodically |
| 16:34 | abhinav | to blog something substantial |
| 16:34 | walterbender | any other questions/comments for abhinav ? |
| 16:34 | abhinav | walterbender, the complete sentence was "I will test it rigourously" :) |
| 16:34 | walterbender | abhinav, thanks |
| 16:35 | everyone: thanks for the updates | |
| 16:35 | let's keep pushing hard. | |
| 16:35 | lots of great progress | |
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| 16:35 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
| 16:35 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Jul 3 16:35:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:35 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-03T15:00:23.html | |
| 16:35 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]15-07-03T15:00:23 | |
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