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| 14:51 | walterbender | hello everyone |
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| 14:52 | tch__ | hello everyone :) |
| 14:54 | k_yash | Hey :) |
| 14:56 | walterbender | the mid-term evaluations are available on melange |
| 14:58 | well.. not quite. | |
| 14:58 | artista | hello everyone |
| 14:58 | walterbender | another 5 hours :P |
| 14:58 | mohayon | Hello everyone |
| 14:58 | walterbender | hi artista mohayon k_yash tch__ |
| 14:59 | shall we begin? | |
| 14:59 | #start-meeting | |
| 14:59 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Jun 26 14:59:30 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:59 | k_yash | yeah |
| 14:59 | tch__ | walterbender, my clocks says we should :) |
| 14:59 | k_yash | may I start? |
| 14:59 | walterbender | #topic midterm evalations |
| 15:00 | they are available later today. we have until the 3rd of July to fill them out | |
| 15:00 | k_yash, please report | |
| 15:00 | #topic music | |
| 15:00 | abhinav | hello everyone |
| 15:00 | k_yash | Walterbender Hi |
| 15:00 | This week I worked upon Music chunks representation with matrix. | |
| 15:01 | walterbender we can save the matrix as chunks...play them and can also edit them | |
| 15:01 | walterbender | I managed to get some of it to work :) |
| 15:01 | k_yash | sounds good :) |
| 15:01 | https://sugarizingmusic.wordpress.com/ | |
| 15:02 | walterbender | would be nice to be able to drag the various pieces around... is that difficult? |
| 15:02 | k_yash | walterbender: I'll do it this week, the thing is that matrix is not a bitmap, its just an HTML table |
| 15:03 | walterbender | k_yash, so you can reposition it in the DOM |
| 15:03 | k_yash, chucks are great | |
| 15:04 | have you tried programming loops with a repeat block? | |
| 15:04 | or making actions of melodies? | |
| 15:04 | k_yash | wlaterbender: no not yet |
| 15:04 | sorry walterbender | |
| 15:04 | walterbender | and I could see having different turtles playing different instruments |
| 15:05 | all triggered by broadcasting an event | |
| 15:05 | this is getting cool | |
| 15:05 | k_yash | I just completed them a hour earlier...I'll try making actions of melodies later today |
| 15:05 | walterbender | any other questions for k_yash ? |
| 15:05 | k_yash | walterbender: yes cool it is :) |
| 15:06 | we've to move towards GREAT ;) | |
| 15:06 | tch__ | k_yash, looks really cool |
| 15:06 | k_yash | thanks tch__ |
| 15:08 | walterbender | k_yash, any roadblocks? |
| 15:09 | k_yash | walterbender, not as such, they always get sorted out just a day before meeting :) |
| 15:09 | walterbender | great... |
| 15:09 | abhinav, do you want to go next? | |
| 15:09 | abhinav | walterbender, sure |
| 15:09 | walterbender | #topic collab |
| 15:09 | abhinav | Hello All. |
| 15:10 | First of all, this is the link to try out. | |
| 15:10 | http://rawgit.com/abhinavanura[…]master/index.html | |
| 15:10 | walterbender | sharing... |
| 15:10 | abhinav | Collaboration is implemented till the point that one has to push a button to sync its work with others in the group. |
| 15:11 | walterbender | the cloud button? |
| 15:11 | what gets shared? | |
| 15:11 | abhinav | Ok. |
| 15:11 | I ll guide u through it. | |
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| 15:11 | abhinav | If you find a share button at the bottom right |
| 15:11 | it means u r connected to the sugarizer server | |
| 15:11 | walterbender | OK... some other turtles just appeared :) |
| 15:12 | abhinav | and u r ready to collaborate |
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| 15:12 | abhinav | In order to share an activity or join any group |
| 15:12 | click the share button | |
| 15:12 | and then either share or join. | |
| 15:13 | Once you are a part of any group, a cloud button appears. | |
| 15:13 | Which means u r ready to sync | |
| 15:13 | Clicking on the sync button | |
| 15:13 | will sync your updates with others in the group. | |
| 15:13 | Are u able to follow? | |
| 15:13 | Or I am unclear?? | |
| 15:13 | walterbender | your blocks? and graphics? |
| 15:14 | abhinav | walterbender, didnt get you what you are trying to point out |
| 15:15 | walterbender | abhinav, I am asking what gets shared |
| 15:15 | in turtle there are stacks | |
| 15:15 | and the graphics generated by running the stacks | |
| 15:15 | abhinav | the whole project |
| 15:15 | which u re doing | |
| 15:15 | walterbender | when I run do you see it? |
| 15:15 | abhinav | So, all the stacks are getting shared |
| 15:16 | walterbender | and I can change a stack you shared with me? |
| 15:16 | abhinav | No, after u sync, I ll just get the stack. |
| 15:16 | walterbender | OK |
| 15:16 | abhinav | I will have to run it specially. |
| 15:16 | And If I make any changes | |
| 15:16 | walterbender | so we share the stacks whenever we sync |
| 15:16 | abhinav | I will resync |
| 15:16 | exactly | |
| 15:16 | walterbender | how do we manage merging? |
| 15:17 | abhinav | I am keeping a list of turtles belonging to each user |
| 15:18 | As in for each user connected to me, I am having a list of turtle names. | |
| 15:18 | walterbender | so I cannot send changes to the stacks you shared? |
| 15:18 | abhinav | And those turtle objects has the reference for the start block |
| 15:18 | tch__ | walterbender, is it working for you? |
| 15:18 | abhinav | Hence, I delete the start block and reload the stack |
| 15:18 | tch__ | abhinav, can you create a new group? post the id here so we can join? |
| 15:19 | walterbender | tch__, yes... I see lots of stacks from somewhere :) |
| 15:19 | abhinav | tch__, Sure. |
| 15:19 | tch__ | walterbender, what is the id? |
| 15:19 | walterbender | 33122758-b089-4e05-9430-b3f4118314b2 |
| 15:19 | abhinav | tch__, is it working with this ID? |
| 15:20 | walterbender | abhinav, it is great that the basic mechanics are working |
| 15:20 | lots of questions about the UI | |
| 15:20 | abhinav | walterbender, I am expecting the same. |
| 15:20 | I thought it was the best option I could for the real work to be done in tym | |
| 15:21 | walterbender | as I explained earlier in the week, I think the collaboration model we use in the Python version works really well |
| 15:21 | the stacks are shared on demand | |
| 15:21 | but the actions of each turtle are always shared | |
| 15:22 | abhinav | walterbender, U mean only only gets to see the output of the running turtle?? |
| 15:22 | walterbender | also, I don't quite understand why the list of available shares has duplicate entries |
| 15:22 | abhinav, yes | |
| 15:22 | abhinav | *one |
| 15:22 | walterbender | we share output and if I have some cool code to share, I send it explicitly |
| 15:22 | and then it is yours to modify | |
| 15:23 | abhinav | walterbender, just a different way of sharing I think. |
| 15:23 | tch__ | abhinav, I click on the id, but I only get a empty turtle from someone else, |
| 15:23 | walterbender | abhinav, yes |
| 15:23 | but I think that each app needs to consider its own goals | |
| 15:23 | abhinav | Next I plan to piggyback sync on run |
| 15:24 | walterbender | and you need to run a service we can leverage in different ways |
| 15:24 | tch__ | abhinav, there is no feedback when clicking on the id, a bit confusing |
| 15:25 | abhinav | walterbender, For this, I was planning to have seperate canvas for each user syncing with me. |
| 15:25 | walterbender | abhinav, that could work |
| 15:25 | abhinav | tch__, looking into it. |
| 15:26 | tch__ | abhinav, another detail, when users disconnect should I see their turtles going disappearing? |
| 15:26 | abhinav | tch__, as of now, No. |
| 15:26 | We can discuss abt it. | |
| 15:27 | walterbender | it is a start |
| 15:27 | abhinav | tch__, btw, Did u get any stack with set color block?? |
| 15:27 | walterbender | sees it |
| 15:27 | abhinav, I am a bit confused by some of the terminology | |
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| 15:28 | abhinav | walterbender, Like? |
| 15:28 | walterbender | are groups really groups of individuals? |
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| 15:28 | walterbender | where did they all come from (as oppose to the individuals)? |
| 15:28 | abhinav | groups = sharedActivity |
| 15:29 | this is how it is mentioned in sugarizer server | |
| 15:29 | walterbender | if we each share (as oppose to join) we generate the multiple groups? |
| 15:29 | abhinav | For each share, we create a new group |
| 15:30 | Group will consist of all the users connected to that shared activty | |
| 15:30 | walterbender | and I can keep switching my activity between different groups? |
| 15:30 | abhinav | yeah U can. :) |
| 15:30 | walterbender | OK... starting to make more sense |
| 15:31 | abhinav | walterbender, any more confusions? |
| 15:32 | walterbender | abhinav, I would like to see a coherent plan of how all this fits together into a user experience |
| 15:32 | maybe you can write up some user scenarios in your blog? | |
| 15:33 | both what you have and where you think you should be heading with the project | |
| 15:33 | abhinav | walterbender, Sure. I will share the link of my blog asap. |
| 15:34 | walterbender | OK |
| 15:34 | richashi_ | I can go after abhinav…? |
| 15:34 | walterbender | artista, wanna go next? |
| 15:34 | artista | sure |
| 15:34 | walterbender | oh... sorry richashi_ |
| 15:34 | richashi_ | no worries! |
| 15:34 | tch__ | abhinav, I will send my review after the meeting, via the same email thread we are already using |
| 15:34 | walterbender | richashi_, you'll be next in the queue |
| 15:34 | richashi_ | ok... |
| 15:34 | walterbender | #topic turtle programming |
| 15:34 | abhinav | tch__, Will be waiting. |
| 15:35 | walterbender | artista, |
| 15:35 | artista | This week we worked on nameddoarg and namedcalcarg blocks |
| 15:35 | both are working now | |
| 15:35 | walterbender | yay |
| 15:35 | artista | we have also released it for testing |
| 15:36 | :D | |
| 15:36 | walterbender | and already have some feedback :) |
| 15:36 | a few issues with the palettes to resolve | |
| 15:36 | artista | oh I would love to hear them |
| 15:37 | walterbender | artista, join the turtleblocks FB page :P |
| 15:37 | artista, can you tell us what is next? | |
| 15:37 | artista | oh I didn't know that :P |
| 15:37 | yeah so this week we are planning on taking some issues if any | |
| 15:38 | and work on the next problem i.e How are we going to interface this to other apps to use it as a programming extension? | |
| 15:39 | walterbender | artista, looking forward to iterating on some ideas |
| 15:39 | we had been discussing passing in a heap from json-encoded data | |
| 15:39 | and exporting a heap with some results | |
| 15:39 | artista | the inputs and outputs? |
| 15:40 | walterbender | yes |
| 15:40 | artista | the json-encoded data can work |
| 15:40 | walterbender | and since we can treat the heap like an array it should handle lots of cases |
| 15:41 | artista | we could save the inputs and outputs in local storage ? |
| 15:41 | walterbender | yes |
| 15:41 | or the download directory | |
| 15:42 | any questions for artista ? | |
| 15:42 | artista | but we definitely have to save the functions in download directory |
| 15:42 | walterbender | artista, yes |
| 15:43 | artista | will try with the palette case as starter :) |
| 15:43 | walterbender | artista, +1 |
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| 15:43 | walterbender | artista, meanwhile I will chase down the palette bugs that have been identified |
| 15:44 | artista | (y) |
| 15:44 | walterbender | ok... we should move on |
| 15:44 | richashi_, ? | |
| 15:44 | #topic web programming | |
| 15:45 | richashi_ | Thanks |
| 15:45 | So this week was pretty interesting… | |
| 15:45 | This week I finished all the basis functionalities required for the app. | |
| 15:45 | I added a new button which expands to give 3 options to the user - open the shell in a new tab, open a file in the shell and save a file from the shell. | |
| 15:46 | For saving, it also saves in the Journal | |
| 15:46 | walterbender | nice |
| 15:46 | richashi_ | and for opening, it opens an object chooser, where user can select a file from his document folder or the journal |
| 15:46 | Till last week, I was coding in some what random manner, for experimentation purposes with the sugar-browse activity code. This week, I implemented the code in a manner suitable for check-in. I developed a different class to give the right level of encapsulation and abstraction. I will be uploading the change on github this weekend. | |
| 15:47 | walterbender | sounds like good progress |
| 15:47 | richashi_ | We had to come up with some name of the shell. I have not discussed with Tony yet, but came up with a name yesterday to give it to the class definition. am calling it WebConsole. Would change it other name after discussing with Tony. |
| 15:48 | walterbender | makes sense in this context |
| 15:48 | richashi_ | :) |
| 15:48 | So by this weekend, 2 things would be complete: code on github and update of my blog | |
| 15:49 | walterbender | OK |
| 15:49 | richashi_ | My job for next week is still not decided…I have not pinged Tony yet..my bad. |
| 15:49 | walterbender | any questions for richashi_ ? |
| 15:50 | richashi_ | I will do so and we will decide what should be the next step. |
| 15:50 | walterbender | a lot accomplished to date |
| 15:50 | richashi_ | thanks :) |
| 15:51 | walterbender | OK... |
| 15:51 | mohayon, ready? | |
| 15:51 | mohayon | Yes ! |
| 15:51 | walterbender | #topic web apps |
| 15:52 | mohayon | So, this week, Calculate.activity has been PR and merged into sugarizer :) |
| 15:52 | walterbender | nice |
| 15:52 | mohayon | And I started Paint.activity, I had troubles choosing the correct library and finally choosed PaperJS |
| 15:52 | http://mikklfr.github.io/Paint.activity/ | |
| 15:53 | We agreed with llaske onto insert stamps based on SVGs | |
| 15:53 | walterbender | SVG is the way to go |
| 15:53 | tch__ | mohayon, +1 for stamps, users seems to like that alot.. |
| 15:54 | mohayon | I will finish the basic app by the end of the weekend |
| 15:54 | That means, color chooser, size chooser. | |
| 15:54 | Shapes | |
| 15:55 | SVG | |
| 15:55 | Lines | |
| 15:55 | and Undo/redo | |
| 15:55 | The next goal is collaboration/filters/filling bucket/image picker | |
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| 15:56 | mohayon | No troubles with touch/click inputs for now |
| 15:56 | I already have serialization/deserialization working locally | |
| 15:56 | So that's it I think | |
| 15:56 | walterbender | sounds like fun |
| 15:57 | would be good to be able to import an image to paint on top of | |
| 15:57 | mohayon | Yep, that's a fun app :) |
| 15:57 | Yes | |
| 15:57 | That would be awesome | |
| 15:57 | And it's very easy to do | |
| 15:57 | I'm writing the idea down | |
| 16:00 | walterbender | mohayon, looking forward to trying it |
| 16:00 | any questions for mohayon ? | |
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| 16:00 | tch__ | walterbender, not really, very nice progress |
| 16:01 | walterbender | nice to hear about such nice progress by the group |
| 16:01 | ishan will not be able to join us today but will send an email | |
| 16:01 | don't forget to do your evals!!! | |
| 16:02 | #end-meeting | |
| 16:02 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Jun 26 16:02:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:02 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-26T14:59:30.html | |
| 16:02 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]15-06-26T14:59:30 | |
| 16:02 | mohayon | "Midterm evaluations are done via Melange. Starting at 19:00 UTC on Friday, 26 June you will be able to submit an evaluation of your project, the program, and your mentor thus far" |
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| 16:03 | walterbender | mohayon, exactly |
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