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| 14:50 | crusher_e0bc | hi,what time is the meeting? |
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| 14:53 | mohayon | It should begin in ~7 mins |
| 14:54 | crusher_e0bc | mohayon: thanks (y) |
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| 14:57 | crusher_e0bc | tony37: hi |
| 14:57 | tony37 | hi |
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| 14:58 | walterbender | hello all |
| 14:58 | abhinav | Hello All :) |
| 14:58 | crusher_e0bc | walterbender: hi |
| 14:58 | mohayon | Hello |
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| 14:58 | k_yash | Hi |
| 14:59 | walterbender | irc from my phone is oainfu |
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| 14:59 | walterbender | well set up a Hotspot in 5 minutrs |
| 15:00 | #start-meeting | |
| 15:00 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Jun 19 15:00:35 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:01 | k_yash | walterbender can I jump in |
| 15:01 | walterbender | who would like to start? amit? |
| 15:01 | abhinav | Hello walterbender : Should I start? |
| 15:01 | artista | yeah sure |
| 15:02 | abhinav, you can start if you want to :) | |
| 15:02 | abhinav | artista, I dont mind. |
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| 15:02 | abhinav | walterbender, Should I go in? |
| 15:03 | walterbender | apleaase |
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| 15:03 | abhinav | Hello People, A very good evening first of all |
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| 15:04 | abhinav | This week I started working on making turtleBlocks an eligible client for server.sugarizer |
| 15:04 | walterbender | abhinav.. |
| 15:04 | abhinav | walterbender, Yes |
| 15:05 | walterbender | you were going to start |
| 15:05 | abhinav | I already started |
| 15:05 | didnt u get my messages | |
| 15:05 | ?? | |
| 15:06 | walterbender, i will restart | |
| 15:06 | walterbender | my no |
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| 15:06 | abhinav | Are U getting my messages now?? |
| 15:07 | walterbender | mo. |
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| 15:09 | abhinav_ | Am I reachable now? walterbender |
| 15:09 | walterbender | yeah |
| 15:09 | abhinav_ | Cool |
| 15:09 | So I will restart | |
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| 15:10 | abhinav_ | Hello People, A very good evening first of all |
| 15:10 | This week I started working on making turtleBlocks an eligible client for server.sugarizer | |
| 15:10 | ishan28mkip | hi sorry to be a bit late, was having some network issue :) |
| 15:10 | abhinav_ | And making it use the presence api offered by sugarizer |
| 15:11 | The work is still under process | |
| 15:11 | I already created and shared turtleBlocks groups | |
| 15:12 | walterbender | Any insights to share? |
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| 15:12 | abhinav_ | And made it possible for other turtleBlocks to join to the shared groups |
| 15:12 | Well, As of now, I am playing with the way I should send turtleBlocks data | |
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| 15:13 | walterbender | I can help with that :) |
| 15:14 | abhinav_ | walterbender: As of now, I am able to send data in one of the tb files in the samples folder |
| 15:14 | and all the users connected with that group | |
| 15:14 | are getting the data | |
| 15:14 | But, I am just reading a file and sending its content | |
| 15:14 | and loading raw project | |
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| 15:15 | abhinav_ | I am yet to figure out the way to convert the current project into .tb and send simultaneously |
| 15:15 | walterbender-2 | abhinav_: In the Sugar/Python version, the main thing I share is turtle output |
| 15:15 | not sharing complete projects | |
| 15:16 | abhinav_ | And what is the format of the output?? |
| 15:16 | .tb? | |
| 15:16 | walterbender-2 | the first step should be to open turtles on each machine |
| 15:16 | abhinav_ | or something else? |
| 15:16 | walterbender-2 | I use a simple mechanism to send text strings |
| 15:17 | abhinav_ | U mean to say RPC? |
| 15:17 | walterbender-2 | the code sharing is the standard json-encoded output |
| 15:17 | have you looked at the Python code? | |
| 15:17 | abhinav_ | If u can give few leads as in where it is happening in python code? |
| 15:18 | walterbender-2 | sure |
| 15:18 | mainly to places | |
| 15:18 | brings up a github window | |
| 15:19 | https://github.com/walterbende[…]acollaboration.py | |
| 15:19 | and | |
| 15:19 | https://github.com/walterbende[…]leArt/taturtle.py | |
| 15:20 | abhinav_: the idea behind collaboration is to work together, not just share final results | |
| 15:20 | abhinav_ | Yeah true. |
| 15:21 | But for the time being, tch_, llaske and I decided to work on an MVP | |
| 15:21 | And share stuff on the push of a button | |
| 15:21 | And Honestly, I am yet to figure out how to make it more real time | |
| 15:21 | walterbender-2 | abhinav_: check out the code and let's discuss off line |
| 15:21 | abhinav_ | I hope the python version will give me a lot of insights |
| 15:22 | walterbender-2 | doesn't have to be real time |
| 15:22 | abhinav_ | Cool. I will in touch with you for this |
| 15:22 | *be | |
| 15:22 | walterbender-2 | not with the model I use in Turtle (Python version) |
| 15:22 | it is a really great collaboration experience | |
| 15:23 | we should move ob | |
| 15:23 | on | |
| 15:23 | llaske | abhinav, could you share your source code ? |
| 15:23 | walterbender-2 | artista: next? |
| 15:23 | artista | ok |
| 15:23 | We had some great advancements this week in terms of passing arguments to function in turtle block js. | |
| 15:23 | We now have do and calc block who can pass single/multiple arguments to given action(function) name and return values as well. | |
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| 15:24 | artista | I have included some examples here in the blog : http://sugarlabs-artista.blogspot.com/ |
| 15:25 | you can experiment with them here http://amitjha1412.github.io/ and report errors (if possible) | |
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| 15:25 | walterbender-2 | artista: I have one more bug to fix on the plane :) |
| 15:26 | artista | yeah and we also have to discuss on when to add namedcalarg and nameddoarg blocks |
| 15:26 | walterbender-2 | artista: yes |
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| 15:27 | abhinav | I see. I will through the pythin code. And will get back to you sometime after the meet. :) |
| 15:27 | *go | |
| 15:27 | llaske, I will push it and then ping you. Will it work? | |
| 15:27 | llaske | abhinav: ok |
| 15:28 | artista | does anyone have questions? |
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| 15:30 | walterbender-too | not having much luck with my connection :( |
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| 15:31 | walterbender-too | before we continue, in case I loose my connection altogether... |
| 15:31 | reminder that next week we all need to do mid-term evaluations | |
| 15:31 | so please speak with your mentors | |
| 15:31 | to make sure everyone is in sync | |
| 15:32 | shall we continue? | |
| 15:32 | richashi | can I go next? |
| 15:32 | walterbender-too | please do |
| 15:32 | is sorry we did not connect in SF last week | |
| 15:32 | richashi | it is okay :) |
| 15:33 | I attended the SF meeting and met Prof. Sameer Verma | |
| 15:33 | walterbender-too | great |
| 15:33 | richashi | it was a really nice group :) |
| 15:33 | This week my goal was to integrate shell with the Browse activity of sugar. | |
| 15:34 | I had written Open/save functionality in Javascript earlier (inside the shell) which was working perfectly on Chrome, Firefox etc. | |
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| 15:34 | tch__ | hello everyone |
| 15:34 | dhawanutkarsh | hi |
| 15:34 | richashi | But this needed to be in Python because the “Open/Save” button would be in the Browse activity toolbar. I learnt about the gtk and Webkit libraries in Python. This was fun. |
| 15:35 | :) | |
| 15:35 | So, I have implemented the Save function | |
| 15:35 | walterbender-too | richashi: which Sugar browse |
| 15:35 | ? | |
| 15:35 | gonzalo__: is working on a webkit2 version | |
| 15:36 | richashi | in the git repository, there is a browse activity |
| 15:37 | walterbender-too | ok |
| 15:37 | richashi | I will coordinate with him, I think the code should nbe compatible with that |
| 15:37 | walterbender-too | webkit 1 |
| 15:37 | tony37 | yes |
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| 15:37 | walterbender-too | things should work better with his new version... but carry on :) |
| 15:37 | richashi | Another thing I have looked into is how to save the file in the journal. I have found various examples, such as “Save as pdf” which save file in journal. So, I guess it should be okay to do. |
| 15:38 | walterbender-too | richashi: should be pretty straight forward |
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| 15:38 | richashi | okay :) |
| 15:38 | I went through the files “browse.py” and “pdf_viewer.py” and am almost done with opening the shell in Browse in the new tab. | |
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| 15:39 | walterbender-too | any questions for richashi ? |
| 15:39 | richashi | So, in the next week I will complete all these functionalities and then Tony and I have also discussed launching the shell from terminal using Sugar launcher. So, I will start looking into it next week. |
| 15:39 | walterbender-too | nice |
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| 15:41 | richashi | that is it from my side :) |
| 15:41 | walterbender-too | k_yash and Marnen wanna go next? |
| 15:41 | k_yash | walterbender: can I jump in |
| 15:41 | yeah | |
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| 15:41 | k_yash | walterbender : This week I added functionality of downloading the music notations |
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| 15:42 | walterbender-too | k_yash: where can we try it? |
| 15:43 | k_yash | http://rawgit.com/khandelwalYa[…]master/index.html |
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| 15:43 | walterbender-too | Marnen: any comments? |
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| 15:44 | Marnen | Not particularly. Devin's been in closer touch with Yash than I have. |
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| 15:45 | k_yash | Devin is out for Boston guitar fest this week |
| 15:45 | Marnen | Right. |
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| 15:45 | Marnen | I'll play around with the download feature later, though; this looks great. |
| 15:45 | k_yash | Are you both able to download notations? |
| 15:46 | Marnen okay :) | |
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| 15:46 | k_yash | I also started developing chunks representation with matrix as given in Devin's mouse music proposal |
| 15:46 | Marnen | I'd try now, but I don't have my computer here and it doesn't work on my iPhone. :) |
| 15:46 | walterbender | lost my conception again :P |
| 15:47 | k_yash | :P |
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| 15:47 | walterbender | Works in my browser |
| 15:48 | k_yash | https://sugarizingmusic.wordpress.com/ |
| 15:48 | I updated the blog | |
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| 15:48 | Marnen | wonderful |
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| 15:49 | walterbender | anything else for yash? |
| 15:49 | llaske | good work yash ! |
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| 15:49 | walterbender | who. is next? |
| 15:49 | ishan28m_ | I? |
| 15:49 | k_yash | llaske, Marnen : thanks :D I appreciate |
| 15:50 | walterbender | I shan please... |
| 15:50 | ishan | |
| 15:50 | ishan28m_ | This week I worked on porting palette to three.js |
| 15:51 | I am almost done with palette | |
| 15:51 | this will leave blocks.js and logo.js to be ported. | |
| 15:51 | walterbender | nice |
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| 15:51 | walterbender | then the fun part will begin |
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| 15:52 | walterbender | ishan... did you see Josh Burke blog? |
| 15:52 | ishan28m_ | I have also been working on adding logo features in another project side by side |
| 15:52 | walterbender | 3D printing from turtle |
| 15:53 | ishan28m_ | haven't yet but would surely go through |
| 15:53 | :) | |
| 15:53 | walterbender | I think the idea of extruding will be very pow r ful |
| 15:53 | Marnen | oh, that sounds cool. |
| 15:53 | ishan28m_ | but I encountered a problem which is a bit difficult to deal |
| 15:53 | walterbender | really cool |
| 15:53 | ishan28m_ | yep, extrude and 3d printing would be really cool |
| 15:53 | walterbender | ishan please tell us |
| 15:54 | ishan28m_ | because of limitation of 3d modules in windows line thinkness cannot be greater than one. |
| 15:55 | https://code.google.com/p/angl[…]ues/detail?id=334 | |
| 15:55 | walterbender | that is solved by hollow lines |
| 15:56 | look at how I did that in the easel.js version | |
| 15:56 | ishan28m_ | oh well, actually I was trying to get to a solution manually |
| 15:56 | spent some time. | |
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| 15:57 | walterbender | about to board |
| 15:57 | Hopefully my connect stays alivr | |
| 15:57 | ishan28m_ | actually a three.js developer has done quite a bit research on it. |
| 15:57 | oh. | |
| 15:58 | I will quickly summarize then. | |
| 15:58 | so when I am done with the complete porting I will start with integrating the other branch which has code to make 3D turtle movements | |
| 15:59 | btw I am more or less done with that. | |
| 15:59 | extrude feature and 3D import is left there | |
| 15:59 | walterbender | ZThx |
| 16:00 | ishan28m_ | I am updating the git repo regularly. |
| 16:00 | I think that is done from my side. | |
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| 16:00 | ishan28m_ | Something is broken on the gh pages will fix, so preview till palettes can be seen. |
| 16:01 | walterbender | who is next? |
| 16:01 | mohayon | I think it's my turn |
| 16:01 | walterbender | Mohan on please report |
| 16:02 | mohayon | So, hi everyone. This week I've been making changes on the calc app. Making it working with trigonometrics functions and inside every platform |
| 16:02 | It's online here | |
| 16:03 | http://mikklfr.github.io | |
| 16:03 | Last thing to do is to add deg/radians conversion | |
| 16:03 | tch__ | mohayon, looks really nice |
| 16:03 | walterbender | mohayon lloks goof |
| 16:04 | mohayon | Thanks :) |
| 16:04 | walterbender | good :) |
| 16:04 | is all thumbs | |
| 16:04 | mohayon | It took more time than I thought because of chrome webapp security issues |
| 16:04 | I've been using mathjs | |
| 16:04 | And Mathjs is using stuff like eval/new Function | |
| 16:05 | walterbender | the next app will go more quickly |
| 16:05 | mohayon | So I've abstracted it to work onto chrome |
| 16:05 | Yes ! | |
| 16:05 | walterbender | what is next? |
| 16:05 | mohayon | The next app is Paint. With llaske we talked about the collaboration mode |
| 16:05 | walterbender | nice |
| 16:06 | mohayon | It will be fun to use in collab mode |
| 16:06 | I've also updated the blog | |
| 16:06 | walterbender | We will have learned from turtle |
| 16:06 | mohayon | http://sugarizingparis2015.blogspot.fr |
| 16:07 | walterbender | Any questions for mohayon? |
| 16:08 | is that everyone? | |
| 16:08 | tch__ | not from me, can't wait to see Paint :) |
| 16:08 | walterbender | don't forget midterm evils next week |
| 16:09 | thanks all. | |
| 16:09 | sorry about my flaky connection | |
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| 16:10 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
| 16:10 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Jun 19 16:10:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:10 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-19T15:00:35.html | |
| 16:10 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]15-06-19T15:00:35 | |
| 16:10 | tch__ | llaske, abhinav around? |
| 16:10 | llaske | yes |
| 16:10 | abhinav | tch__, yeah |
| 16:10 | walterbender | llasske |
| 16:10 | llaske | yes walter ? |
| 16:10 | walterbender | you and the will go to the mentor meeting. ok? |
| 16:11 | llaske | will be pleased about that |
| 16:11 | walterbender | ^the^tch |
| 16:11 | llaske | yes we used to go together to the mentor meeting :-) |
| 16:11 | walterbender | you guys make sure to follow up with carols email |
| 16:11 | tch__ | walterbender, ok |
| 16:12 | llaske | sure |
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| 16:13 | abhinav | tch__, we are here. :) |
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| 16:13 | tch__ | abhinav, can you explain your approach for collaboration on TB? |
| 16:15 | abhinav | as if now i have implemented create, share and join group similar to what i showed in the last application |
| 16:15 | *as of | |
| 16:16 | but we still have to decide upon what data is to be sent for collaboration | |
| 16:17 | llaske | Hmmm, you hard coded the creation of shared activity https://github.com/abhinavanur[…]015f009e1076R1759 |
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| 16:18 | tch__ | abhinav, I think I mentioned it the last week, turtle code is just JSON formatted data.. you should simply send it to other clients on the "specific event" and make sure other clients inject the receive code into separate turtles |
| 16:19 | abhinav | llaske, sharing of group is hard coded as it is happening on the press of a button |
| 16:20 | Is there any problem in that? | |
| 16:20 | tch__, Yeah. I remember that. And I am moving ahead in that direction only | |
| 16:22 | llaske | Your way of sharing content is brute forte too: https://github.com/abhinavanur[…]/presence.js#L197 |
| 16:22 | brute force | |
| 16:23 | To be honest abhinav, I think you spent not enough time on the project. So you give to us only basic solution. | |
| 16:23 | We need to build solid code not just samples | |
| 16:25 | tch__ | llaske, agreed |
| 16:26 | abhinav, I think you focus on using the current API, instead of hacking it | |
| 16:26 | llaske | We expect to you that you solve challenge ! |
| 16:26 | GSoC is an incredible opportunity, both for you and for us | |
| 16:27 | tch__ | s/you/you should/ |
| 16:27 | abhinav, llaske, lets revise the approach once more? | |
| 16:27 | abhinav | tch__, I just started off with a very simplistic approach |
| 16:28 | tch__ | abhinav, what exactly is what want to achieve with hardcoding content in the server? |
| 16:28 | llaske | You can't just start ! We are at the middle of the program ! |
| 16:29 | abhinav | llaske, But that is temporary and it is there just to make the injection of code and running of turtle possible |
| 16:29 | And I did it because I first worked upon injection of code in turtle | |
| 16:29 | and managing various turtles | |
| 16:29 | llaske, I take it if u say so. | |
| 16:29 | But in my defense, I am very close to a solid code | |
| 16:29 | As I see my progress. | |
| 16:29 | I have coded, tried and tested small parts of the project. | |
| 16:29 | This week, I have planned to finish the turtleBlocks app | |
| 16:30 | tch__ | abhinav, ok, so lets revise what is missing now... |
| 16:31 | abhinav, you need each client to "broadcast" their turtle code to other clients | |
| 16:31 | abhinav | sure |
| 16:31 | tch__ | abhinav, turtle code is just JSON |
| 16:32 | abhinav, considering is just text.. and that the chat sample works, it should be possible without hacking the server | |
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| 16:32 | llaske | +1 |
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| 16:33 | tch__ | abhinav, next thing is, once the other clients receives that code, they should be able to make new instances of turtles and inject code there |
| 16:33 | abhinav, then you have to make a decision, you execute it once recieved, or, you only execute it when the clients "plays" it | |
| 16:34 | abhinav, I would go for the first approach, it will feel alive | |
| 16:34 | abhinav, and with that, we would have a _very_ simple TB collaboration solution | |
| 16:34 | where users write code and other clients sees it running, | |
| 16:35 | after that, we can move to move complex features | |
| 16:35 | but without something that basic, we really can't move on | |
| 16:35 | abhinav, abhinav still there? | |
| 16:36 | abhinav | tch__, That is what is exactly been done. |
| 16:36 | tch__ | abhinav, except for? |
| 16:36 | abhinav | Server is hacked just to get some turtle code |
| 16:36 | thats it | |
| 16:37 | Once I am able to create turtle code on the client side, That change will be removed | |
| 16:37 | and things will work in the same manner as it was working in the chat application, | |
| 16:37 | Without changing anything in the server. | |
| 16:38 | The change is a temporary work around. | |
| 16:38 | tch__ | abhinav, all you need to do on each client is to get its JSON formatted representation of their current code (which is already possible) and then broadcast it to others |
| 16:38 | abhinav | tch__, agreed |
| 16:38 | It is possible. | |
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| 16:38 | abhinav | So now u see. |
| 16:38 | tch__ | abhinav, when we can see it working? |
| 16:39 | llaske, ^ | |
| 16:39 | abhinav | by tomorrow. |
| 16:39 | As most of the work is done. | |
| 16:40 | llaske | Will be nice |
| 16:40 | abhinav | tch__, llaske Are u getting what I tried to do with that hard code?? |
| 16:40 | tch__ | abhinav, not really, documentation would help... |
| 16:41 | llaske | Yes but I think it's a bad idea to simulate a two client conversation using the server |
| 16:41 | tch__ | abhinav, have you worked on that? did you check the diagram I proposed? |
| 16:41 | llaske | Plus, do you upgrade the document using the diagram suggested by tch ? |
| 16:43 | tch__ | abhinav, I will be out during the weekend, I would prefer that you send us an email for monday with a link to a working prototype and a decent documentation of how the collab protocol works.. |
| 16:43 | llaske | +1 |
| 16:44 | tch__ | abhinav, think would be possible? |
| 16:45 | abhinav_, ^ | |
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| 16:48 | llaske | Hmmm. May be yes after all :-( |
| 16:50 | tch__ | I will be around in case he comes back, |
| 16:50 | llaske, ^ | |
| 16:50 | llaske | Okay. Sorry, I must quit |
| 16:51 | tch__ | llaske, don't worry, thanks for coming |
| 16:52 | I will send the to you both, | |
| 16:52 | llaske | Ok thanks |
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