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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | walterbender | hi gonzalo_ |
| 00:00 | gonzalo_ | hello walterbender |
| 00:00 | walterbender | hey everyone... |
| 00:00 | cyn | saving is a bit mysterious, but there |
| 00:00 | walterbender | there is another meeting starting here shortly |
| 00:00 | gonzalo_ | who else is here for the meeting? |
| 00:00 | walterbender | gonzalo_, we are wrapping up a Turtle meeting |
| 00:00 | Claudia_, is here | |
| 00:01 | cyn | the blocks menu cuts off the list |
| 00:01 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, ok, I waiit |
| 00:01 | walterbender | cyn, the blocks menu should scroll |
| 00:01 | Claudia_ | yes.. I am |
| 00:01 | walterbender | gonzalo_, we need one more SLOBs member to get started :P |
| 00:01 | cyn | i don't know how i got several turtles on the screen |
| 00:01 | walterbender | cyn, do you have more than one start block? |
| 00:02 | cyn | no scrolling on my computer |
| 00:02 | Claudia_ | the help has also text going beyond the black box |
| 00:02 | ignacio | about the image, submitted a pr |
| 00:02 | walterbender | Claudia_, oh |
| 00:02 | Claudia_, in Safari? | |
| 00:02 | Claudia_ | chrome |
| 00:02 | cyn | i will see |
| 00:02 | ignacio | #link https://github.com/walterbende[…]blocksjs/pull/177 |
| 00:03 | walterbender | Claudia_, could you take a screenshot? |
| 00:03 | Claudia_ | yes |
| 00:03 | firefox too | |
| 00:03 | tch__ | andresaguirre, are we getting some robotics for gsoc? |
| 00:03 | walterbender | cyn, I think we need buttons too... the scrolling is not obvious or discoverable |
| 00:03 | cyn | oops I lost my blocks when trying to save |
| 00:03 | tch__ | andresaguirre, we can use to get turtlebotsjs |
| 00:04 | walterbender | cyn, ouch |
| 00:04 | tch__ | andresaguirre, now that we have lots of robots support |
| 00:04 | andresaguirre | great idea tch_ |
| 00:04 | ! | |
| 00:04 | walterbender | tch__, can you write up JS collaboration too (for GSoC) |
| 00:04 | tch__ | walterbender, ok, will do |
| 00:04 | walterbender | thx |
| 00:04 | andresaguirre | and also we can explore the collaboration... |
| 00:05 | Claudia_ | I also click on eraser and the blocks moved to the left.. |
| 00:05 | walterbender | andresaguirre, let's find a student to hire to work full time on it |
| 00:05 | tch__ | andresaguirre, walterbender lets continue in email, gtg |
| 00:05 | andresaguirre | +1 |
| 00:05 | Claudia_ | I can only see the end of it |
| 00:05 | walterbender | Claudia_, when you hit erase the blocks return to their initial position (you must have dragged them) |
| 00:06 | Claudia_, you should be able to drag all the blocks around by dragging the background | |
| 00:06 | OK | |
| 00:06 | we do need to switch to the other meeting | |
| 00:06 | but a good start. | |
| 00:06 | Claudia_ | walterbender: ok.. grab them back.... |
| 00:06 | ok | |
| 00:06 | walterbender | thank you everyone |
| 00:06 | Claudia_ | I will send some images |
| 00:06 | walterbender | cyn, let's find a time to meet by email |
| 00:07 | anything else for tonight? | |
| 00:07 | andresaguirre | some block to wrap the sensors of a remote robot... it could help to make colaborative behaviours in robots... something like the "cast block" in the butiá extras palette |
| 00:07 | cyn | ok |
| 00:07 | bye | |
| 00:07 | cyn has quit IRC | |
| 00:07 | walterbender | AlanJAS2, can you work with me on that? |
| 00:07 | Claudia_ | bye now |
| 00:08 | walterbender | Claudia_, can you stay for the SLOBs meeting |
| 00:08 | garyservin | bye! |
| 00:08 | garyservin has left #sugar-meeting | |
| 00:08 | AlanJAS2 | yes |
| 00:08 | walterbender | ok... let me end this meeting so we can start the next one :P |
| 00:09 | to be continued | |
| 00:09 | #end-meeting | |
| 00:09 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Mar 3 00:09:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 00:09 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-02T23:04:27.html | |
| 00:09 | ignacio | 3,2,1:( |
| 00:09 | meeting | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]15-03-02T23:04:27 |
| 00:10 | gonzalo_ | Claudia_, are you here? |
| 00:10 | Claudia_ | yes |
| 00:10 | still | |
| 00:11 | gonzalo_ | hello! |
| 00:11 | who else? CanoeBerry? | |
| 00:11 | daniel? | |
| 00:11 | jose said he can't participate | |
| 00:11 | walterbender | yes.. just saw his note |
| 00:12 | cjl has been quite active of late, but I don't see him around :P | |
| 00:12 | gonzalo_, seems we have no quorum | |
| 00:12 | look... we need to move on this stuff | |
| 00:12 | gonzalo_ | _yes_ |
| 00:12 | walterbender | are we satisfied with the questions? |
| 00:13 | CanoeBerry | Hi |
| 00:13 | walterbender | if so, I will start soliciting responses tonight/tomorrow |
| 00:13 | hi adam | |
| 00:13 | #start-meeting | |
| 00:13 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Mar 3 00:13:11 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 00:13 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 00:13 | gonzalo_ | hi CanoeBerry! |
| 00:13 | we have quorum now! | |
| 00:13 | CanoeBerry | Hi Walter & Gonzalo & :) |
| 00:13 | walterbender | welcome all |
| 00:14 | Claudia_ | hello |
| 00:14 | walterbender | I think our first order of business is to solicit information from the deployments |
| 00:14 | without it we are largely operating in the dark | |
| 00:15 | CanoeBerry | As we move into https://turtle.sugarlabs.org and http://sugarizer.org |
| 00:15 | deployments this gets easier.. | |
| 00:15 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, you are jumping ahead a bit |
| 00:16 | gonzalo_ | CanoeBerry, did you read the questions for the deployments? |
| 00:16 | CanoeBerry | Do u mean https://docs.google.com/docume[…]oDIM9r4-R1nkPKiuw ? |
| 00:16 | gonzalo_ | yes |
| 00:16 | CanoeBerry | Broad questions, yes. |
| 00:17 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, any suggestions how to make it more useful? |
| 00:19 | Claudia_ | I think we should just go ahead and start collecting the info |
| 00:19 | walterbender | +1 |
| 00:19 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 00:20 | Claudia_ | and ask people to provide reference for others to contact |
| 00:20 | walterbender | we have been sitting on our hands for 2 months |
| 00:20 | Claudia_ | I was also thinking we should think about doing the meeting somewhere else |
| 00:20 | gonzalo_ | i propose the following: take this week to get mails from people and sent the next monday |
| 00:21 | walterbender | gonzalo_, huh? |
| 00:21 | gonzalo_ | Claudia_, any particular reason? |
| 00:21 | walterbender | could you rephrase. |
| 00:22 | gonzalo_, Claudia_ and I had discussed the merits of a meeting in Managua instead of Montevideo | |
| 00:22 | in part because they (FZT) are expanding their Sugar efforts | |
| 00:23 | Claudia_ | We were thinking it is strategic.. OLPC is there |
| 00:23 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, Claudia_, have sense |
| 00:23 | Claudia_ | They are working closely with Rwanda |
| 00:23 | gonzalo_ | also is true we go a lot to Uy, and have more information than from other places |
| 00:23 | walterbender | gonzalo_, before we switch to that topic, I didn't understand gonzalo_ 's comment about waiting one week |
| 00:23 | Claudia_ | and expanding to other countries in Africa |
| 00:24 | central america, etc | |
| 00:24 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, just to prepare the list of mails |
| 00:24 | walterbender, maybe two days is enough | |
| 00:24 | walterbender | gonzalo_, I think we should start sending immediately to the people we already know |
| 00:24 | plus if they are confused we can refine the questions when we ask others | |
| 00:24 | Claudia_ | agree with Walter... |
| 00:24 | CanoeBerry | If survey can, (1) explain what actions may become possible as a result of survey (2) ask survey recipient if they do/don't want their responses auto-published? |
| 00:24 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, I can prepare a google form to make easier get the daat |
| 00:24 | data | |
| 00:25 | walterbender | this is not like school... everyone doesn't have to take the exam at the same time |
| 00:25 | gonzalo_, I think it is overengineering the problem | |
| 00:25 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, is easier than you think |
| 00:25 | walterbender | it is not so many people and to ask them to use a google doc is maybe asking too much... just email is OK I think |
| 00:26 | if the google form is embedded in the email, I suppose | |
| 00:26 | but will it be bi/tri lingual? | |
| 00:26 | gonzalo_ | true, we need at least made it Ens/Spa |
| 00:27 | Claudia_ | we can create a google doc, so all the data ends together |
| 00:27 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, Claudia_, anybody of you want write a introduction to the questions? |
| 00:28 | walterbender | I think we will have personal intros for each letter |
| 00:28 | we know all of these people | |
| 00:28 | or most of them | |
| 00:29 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, then, everybody of us send personal emails or we send a common email for all? |
| 00:29 | CanoeBerry, do you have more contacts to add? | |
| 00:29 | walterbender | gonzalo_, I think common questions |
| 00:29 | CanoeBerry | Is Tony Anderson on the list? |
| 00:29 | walterbender | although I will send some different questions to Rangan |
| 00:29 | gonzalo_ | CanoeBerry, no, where is he? |
| 00:30 | CanoeBerry | Everywhere" |
| 00:30 | :) | |
| 00:30 | gonzalo_ | ha ha |
| 00:30 | CanoeBerry | Africa/Asia especially.. |
| 00:30 | gonzalo_ | CanoeBerry, we are trying to get someone for every deployment :) |
| 00:30 | Is he omnipresent? :) | |
| 00:31 | CanoeBerry | He has not visited the OLPC Antarctica deployment. |
| 00:31 | walterbender | that was the other Tony |
| 00:32 | CanoeBerry | Tony the Penguin ;) |
| 00:32 | Claudia_ | I believe we are getting information from the deployments on their direction, future plans for their deployments (or their countries, if they have the info)... |
| 00:33 | We should perhaps prepare a slightly different set of questions for the Tonys of the world, so we can incorporate their experience | |
| 00:33 | walterbender | +1 |
| 00:34 | but maybe tony can help us reach more deployments | |
| 00:34 | gonzalo_ | Claudia_, based in the emails in the last weeks (about sugar future) I think we should sent a different set of questions to the community |
| 00:34 | Claudia_ | that too, walterbender |
| 00:34 | gonzalo_: maybe a public survey | |
| 00:34 | gonzalo_ | yes |
| 00:35 | Claudia_ | ok |
| 00:35 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, CanoeBerry, Claudia_, someone want contact Tony, and see if he can contact us with the appropiate people? |
| 00:35 | walterbender | someone will have to explain to me some of the comments on that thread :P |
| 00:35 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, after we finish with this topic, please :) |
| 00:36 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, can you do it? you guys talk school server each week? |
| 00:36 | gonzalo_, I think we have it wrapped up for now | |
| 00:36 | CanoeBerry | I can ask Tony, yes. |
| 00:36 | walterbender | I'll start sending out some tonight/tomorrow |
| 00:36 | gonzalo_ | perfect |
| 00:37 | CanoeBerry, please add the contact to the document for future reference | |
| 00:37 | walterbender | #topic meeting venue for face-to-face SLOBs meeting |
| 00:37 | Claudia_ | should we keeo the info for our meeting and not make it public? |
| 00:37 | I think if we do, people may feel better at answering | |
| 00:37 | gonzalo_ | Claudia_, hmm, is possible |
| 00:37 | CanoeBerry | gonzalo_: Done |
| 00:38 | walterbender | Claudia_, the emails themselves are private, but I think we should say that we are gathering statistics from them that would be public |
| 00:38 | but we can make sure they remain anonymous | |
| 00:38 | Claudia_ | statistics make sense |
| 00:38 | walterbender | OK |
| 00:39 | Claudia_ | but what other HW or SW? |
| 00:39 | walterbender | re the venue, |
| 00:39 | CanoeBerry | Aside: Nicaragua can be half the price of Uruguay airfare for a majority of (North American) SLOB members. FWIW even less if trucking thru Panama or Costa Rica. |
| 00:39 | gonzalo_ | the message would be: we are trying to get information to organize future projects in Sugar land |
| 00:39 | walterbender | Claudia_, HW could be Android tablets for example |
| 00:40 | Claudia_ | walterbender: what about sharing with NIC the desire to make the meeting there and do a TA day... if they seem receptive, we move forward... if not, we go back to UY plan? |
| 00:40 | walterbender | and software could be Window 10??? who knows? |
| 00:40 | Claudia_, +1 | |
| 00:40 | I mentioned TA again to German | |
| 00:40 | and Mariana | |
| 00:40 | can you mention it to Felix? and whomever? | |
| 00:40 | Claudia_ | ok... |
| 00:41 | walterbender: I meant to say that what if they don't want us to share that type of info with the rest of the world... | |
| 00:41 | walterbender: I will contact Felix tomorrow | |
| 00:41 | walterbender | Claudia_, we need to respect their privacy |
| 00:42 | but we could say, for example, that a deployment told us that they plan on 10K ipads for 2016 | |
| 00:42 | without saying which deployment | |
| 00:42 | Claudia_ | yes... we should ask about information they think it is private... I can see companies attacking them in their idea is to buy 50k new computers |
| 00:43 | walterbender | yes... I think the default is no names |
| 00:43 | gonzalo_ | noted |
| 00:43 | walterbender | no identifiers |
| 00:43 | Claudia_ | +1 |
| 00:44 | walterbender | are we done with this topic? |
| 00:44 | Claudia_ | yes |
| 00:44 | gonzalo_ | i think so. plese complete the columns when was sent and received |
| 00:44 | walterbender | #topic GSoC |
| 00:45 | this is a quick heads up that we have been accepted | |
| 00:45 | we'll not know how many slots until we get students to apply | |
| 00:45 | gonzalo_ | ohh, we need prepare the projects list! |
| 00:45 | walterbender | we've been encouraging JS projects |
| 00:45 | and have gotten a lot of activity in that space over the past month | |
| 00:46 | gonzalo_, there are quite a few projects already listed but we can add more at any time | |
| 00:46 | and try to steer students towards things we need | |
| 00:46 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, link? |
| 00:46 | walterbender | one sec |
| 00:47 | Claudia_ | I read.. "We will be participating in Google Summer of Code 2015." in facebook, but it is not inviting students to participate |
| 00:47 | walterbender | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2015 |
| 00:47 | gonzalo_ | Claudia_, don't worry, students have been asking for more than a month |
| 00:48 | walterbender | Claudia_, I will follow up with more details |
| 00:48 | Claudia_ | ok.. I am happy to circulate |
| 00:48 | walterbender | in FB |
| 00:48 | we should tweet too | |
| 00:48 | Claudia_ | ok |
| 00:48 | that too | |
| 00:49 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, ok, i see you already did all the work :) |
| 00:49 | walterbender | not all the work but a start |
| 00:49 | gonzalo_ | my vacation was strategic :) |
| 00:50 | Claudia_ | yes, gonzalo_ |
| 00:50 | walterbender | gonzalo_, it is bad... my current streak on github is 93 days |
| 00:51 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, but you are crazy and we already know that :) |
| 00:51 | walterbender | anyway, please do spread the word to potential mentors and students |
| 00:51 | I have one more topic if it is OK | |
| 00:52 | Claudia_ | fine by me |
| 00:52 | walterbender | #topic www.sl.o |
| 00:52 | As I think you'd all agree, our website is a bit stale | |
| 00:53 | three different people started designing a new website: tymon, sam, and quidam | |
| 00:53 | none a quite polished yet | |
| 00:54 | but I think we should be aiming for a few goals in this work: | |
| 00:54 | (1) simplify | |
| 00:54 | (2) direct access to SOAS, Sugarizer, and other ways to try Sugar | |
| 00:54 | (3) an infrastructure bases on git so we can more readily maintain it | |
| 00:55 | (4) fast | |
| 00:55 | Claudia_ | do you mean three different projects? or all three people working on one design? |
| 00:55 | walterbender | (5) high quality of graphics |
| 00:55 | Claudia_, well... two started independently and the third was a fork | |
| 00:55 | Claudia_ | ok |
| 00:55 | walterbender | but I think they will merge their efforts |
| 00:56 | Claudia_ | agree |
| 00:56 | walterbender | it has been a bit of a struggle but they are converging |
| 00:56 | gonzalo_ | i think we need one designer or use some probed template |
| 00:56 | walterbender | I just worry that we look a bit amateurish |
| 00:56 | gonzalo_ | yes |
| 00:56 | walterbender | gonzalo_, I have been trying to say that over and over |
| 00:57 | but it takes a while for the message to sink in | |
| 00:57 | Claudia_ | Design is key... |
| 00:57 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, the problem is all the involved are developers not designers |
| 00:57 | walterbender | +1 |
| 00:57 | gonzalo_ | and we do it ugly |
| 00:57 | Claudia_ | in the project Tincho and I helped mentor, it was an issue |
| 00:57 | the student did not have the skills | |
| 00:57 | walterbender | I have been trying to get them to work on the back end |
| 00:58 | so we can have a place for a designer to work | |
| 00:58 | Claudia_ | what about using some small money on a design? |
| 00:58 | walterbender | actually, there is a fourth person who is a decent designer |
| 00:58 | Claudia_, I don't mind spending some money on desing | |
| 00:58 | Claudia_ | design should be done in parallel |
| 00:58 | walterbender | but I want to make sure we have a good idea where we want to go |
| 00:58 | Claudia_ | no? |
| 00:59 | walterbender | Claudia_, they should be working with a designer, as an integral part of the team |
| 00:59 | Claudia_ | agree |
| 01:00 | walterbender | I doubt we can get cms back |
| 01:00 | but maybe manuq could spare some cycles? | |
| 01:00 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, Claudia_, CanoeBerry, we should set this points as guidelines to who want to work in the site |
| 01:01 | right now they are working without any direction | |
| 01:01 | walterbender | gonzalo_, they are working with direction |
| 01:01 | but not always listening | |
| 01:01 | Claudia_ | I don't know the details |
| 01:01 | walterbender | the process is a bit chaotic |
| 01:01 | Claudia_, it has been on the devel list only, I think | |
| 01:01 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, but they are asking in the mailing list and everybody can propose different things |
| 01:02 | walterbender | gonzalo_, I asked them to solicit ideas, not take a poll |
| 01:02 | but it maybe a language problem. | |
| 01:03 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, is different if we say, we talked at the slobs meeting and decided this are the important points for the site |
| 01:03 | walterbender | gonzalo_, +1 |
| 01:03 | but let's find a designer to participate | |
| 01:03 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, you said there was already a designer? |
| 01:04 | walterbender | yeah... I just am not sure yet if he is up to the task... |
| 01:04 | I suppose we can wait and see. | |
| 01:04 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, do you want ask to manuq? |
| 01:04 | Claudia_ | so much to discuss and do... |
| 01:04 | CanoeBerry | walterbender's own lean design (emailed yesterday?) is a fine kernel to build on too |
| 01:04 | Claudia_ | I have to go in the next min or two |
| 01:04 | walterbender | Claudia_, me too |
| 01:05 | I'll keep SLOBs in the loop. | |
| 01:05 | thanks all for you input | |
| 01:05 | Claudia_ | I have a designer or two in Colombia... if we want to contact them |
| 01:05 | walterbender | Claudia_, let's discuss off line |
| 01:05 | Claudia_ | ok |
| 01:05 | gonzalo_ | ok, see you all |
| 01:06 | walterbender | ciao |
| 01:06 | #end-meeting | |
| 01:06 | Claudia_ | great to talk to all.. let's contact the people and plan the meeting |
| 01:06 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Mar 3 01:06:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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| 01:06 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]15-03-03T00:13:11 | |
| 01:06 | Claudia_ | ciao |
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