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| 13:05 | tch__ | hello everyone, |
| 13:06 | lets start the features proposal reviewing in 15 minutes, some people will arrive late | |
| 13:06 | sorry for the inconveniences | |
| 13:17 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i am ready when you are |
| 13:25 | tch__ | back |
| 13:25 | #startmeeting | |
| 13:25 | puneet_kaur | hi tch__ , gonzalo_ , I would be here to talk about the cordova proposal :-) |
| 13:25 | meeting | Meeting started Mon Sep 15 13:25:14 2014 UTC. The chair is tch__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:25 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 13:25 | tch__ | gonzalo_, lets start by puneet_kaur proposal then? :) |
| 13:25 | gonzalo_ | hi puneet_kaur |
| 13:25 | puneet_kaur | hi gonzalo_ |
| 13:25 | gonzalo_ | tch__, ok |
| 13:26 | tch__ | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]ed_Features_for_0.104 |
| 13:27 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ntainer_for_Sugar | |
| 13:27 | puneet_kaur | tch__, gonzalo_ would be nice if some people can help us in testing |
| 13:27 | it | |
| 13:27 | its almost through | |
| 13:27 | sent a pull request to cordova team | |
| 13:27 | and once thats done | |
| 13:27 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, can you explain what changes are need in sugar/toolkit? |
| 13:28 | puneet_kaur | nothing in sugar/toolkit |
| 13:28 | only a function in apisocket.py | |
| 13:28 | and a folder in jarabe | |
| 13:28 | that folder in jarabe would have the code to access the device featuress | |
| 13:29 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, why in jarabe? if the activities will use it, would be in the toolkit |
| 13:29 | puneet_kaur | oh okay |
| 13:29 | the folder can be anywhere , if it be in toolkit | |
| 13:30 | then the import part in apisocket.py changes | |
| 13:30 | rest remain the same | |
| 13:30 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 13:30 | puneet_kaur | so thats all the change |
| 13:31 | not much of interaction with sugar code | |
| 13:31 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, ok! |
| 13:31 | tch__ | puneet_kaur, can you prepared those changes, update your proposal and sent us the links to the repo? :) |
| 13:31 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, a question |
| 13:31 | puneet_kaur | tch__, ok |
| 13:31 | gonzalo_, yes ? | |
| 13:31 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, with this feature, can we run cordova applications in sugar? |
| 13:32 | puneet_kaur | yes |
| 13:32 | thats what the aim was | |
| 13:32 | but you need to build the cordova applications for sugar | |
| 13:32 | gonzalo_ | there are a rpository of cordova apps? |
| 13:32 | puneet_kaur | using the cordova cli tools |
| 13:32 | no not really | |
| 13:32 | just a second | |
| 13:32 | let me look | |
| 13:33 | there are plenty of them out there | |
| 13:33 | just a second | |
| 13:34 | http://phonegap.com/app/ | |
| 13:34 | here are the apps created with phonegap | |
| 13:34 | its same as cordova | |
| 13:34 | basically all the webapps can run in sugar | |
| 13:34 | by a webapp I mean the ones with html,js and css | |
| 13:34 | only a cli command to build the web app to an .xo | |
| 13:35 | the developer doesnt need to have the knowledge of the sugar web architecture | |
| 13:35 | to build the webapp | |
| 13:35 | can simply use the cordova cli tools for the same | |
| 13:35 | the process would be simpler once our code is merged into cordova repo | |
| 13:35 | Sorry I wrote a lot :P | |
| 13:35 | hope you got that | |
| 13:36 | gonzalo_ | thanks! |
| 13:37 | puneet_kaur | :-) |
| 13:37 | also the webapp here had an andvantage | |
| 13:37 | as it can use the cordova api to access the device feature | |
| 13:37 | which by default web apps cant | |
| 13:37 | someway to replace the naive app usage by webapp | |
| 13:38 | but the accessing for device feature would be possible only for the ones we have plugins for | |
| 13:38 | I made 6 plugins during gsoc | |
| 13:38 | if I get time afterwards, would surely make more | |
| 13:39 | gonzalo_ | will be awesome :) |
| 13:39 | puneet_kaur | yeah |
| 13:39 | tch__ | we might need to look at the PR for final details, but I think is clear this do not require much sugar changes but impacts are great |
| 13:39 | puneet_kaur | wishing to get it across to the users soon |
| 13:40 | tch__ | impacts are great, in a good way ;) |
| 13:40 | puneet_kaur | tch__, gonzalo_ we must wait and see for the user response once the feature is up |
| 13:40 | that would be great | |
| 13:41 | gonzalo_ | we will need some activity to test the framework |
| 13:41 | tch__ | puneet_kaur, do you have example apps? |
| 13:41 | gonzalo_, +1 | |
| 13:41 | puneet_kaur | yes |
| 13:41 | by apps you mean the activities right ? | |
| 13:41 | yes I have | |
| 13:42 | wait, I'll first show u the video | |
| 13:42 | tch__ | ok |
| 13:42 | puneet_kaur | if u havent seen |
| 13:42 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCdlKtoivH0 | |
| 13:43 | an activity with all the plugins | |
| 13:43 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylhXaQsm5dQ | |
| 13:43 | converting a cordova app to sugar activity | |
| 13:43 | and running it on the sugar | |
| 13:43 | I have one more too | |
| 13:43 | if you wanna see | |
| 13:43 | I tried converting the social calc web app to sugar activity through cordova cli | |
| 13:45 | http://youtu.be/8CdJAAQ-8C4 | |
| 13:46 | tch__, | |
| 13:46 | sample apps -> https://github.com/puneetgkaur[…]ins/sample%20apps | |
| 13:47 | gonzalo_, ^ | |
| 13:47 | the above link has all the sample cordova app you asked | |
| 13:48 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, great |
| 13:48 | tch__ | looking |
| 13:48 | puneet_kaur | each one of the folders would have platforms/sugar/cordova/<name of the app>.xo |
| 13:49 | but you need to have changes in your sugar environment to run the ones with plugins | |
| 13:49 | if you run without that | |
| 13:49 | the app would work | |
| 13:49 | but the plugins wont | |
| 13:49 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, can you add all this information to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ntainer_for_Sugar ? |
| 13:49 | puneet_kaur | gonzalo_, which information ? |
| 13:50 | gonzalo_ | you can see all the questions we did :) |
| 13:50 | puneet_kaur | okay |
| 13:50 | gonzalo_ | would be great have all the information collected for future reference, and make easier involve others in testing |
| 13:51 | puneet_kaur | okay sure |
| 13:51 | tch__ | puneet_kaur, thanks ! |
| 13:51 | puneet_kaur | would send the pr to sugar |
| 13:51 | gonzalo_ | I see your page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Cordova |
| 13:51 | puneet_kaur | and would love have the testing done |
| 13:51 | to oget the feedback | |
| 13:51 | gonzalo_ | puneet_kaur, in all aspects, a excelent work |
| 13:51 | puneet_kaur | gonzalo_, thanks :-) |
| 13:52 | but the aim wont be fulfilled till I can see the users using it | |
| 13:52 | :-) | |
| 13:52 | gonzalo_ | of course :) |
| 13:52 | tch__ | keep helping us so it can happen! haha |
| 13:53 | gonzalo_ | tch__, next? :) |
| 13:53 | puneet_kaur | tch__, yes |
| 13:53 | tch__ | gonzalo_, we can start by yours, then mines, considering others didn't appear |
| 13:53 | gonzalo_ | tch__, ok |
| 13:54 | i have only two features | |
| 13:54 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ptimize_TreeViews | |
| 13:54 | and | |
| 13:54 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ch_In_The_Toolkit | |
| 13:55 | tch__ | gonzalo_, ok :) |
| 13:55 | gonzalo_ | OptimizeTreeviews is about to and a work we started with manuq, to solve performance issues in the use of treeviews in sugar |
| 13:55 | in particular in the Journal and the activities list | |
| 13:55 | the code is in good state, but need more work | |
| 13:56 | probably is in 80% | |
| 13:56 | the famous 80% :) | |
| 13:56 | tch__ | gonzalo_, in terms of changes, what will this impact? |
| 13:57 | gonzalo_ | is a big change |
| 13:57 | for the user is not very visible, other a more responsive journal | |
| 13:58 | tch__ | gonzalo_, that will be noticeable |
| 13:58 | gonzalo_, hopefully, this requires to simplify the code behind all these lists | |
| 13:58 | is really hard to read it | |
| 13:59 | can you think of basic set of tests we can do to make sure nothing break? | |
| 14:00 | because this looks like a sensible surgery ;) | |
| 14:00 | gonzalo_ | tch__, it is |
| 14:00 | tch__, i can prepare a test case | |
| 14:00 | a human test case | |
| 14:00 | tch__ | yes, that should do |
| 14:01 | gonzalo_ | i am not sure if automated testing can help here |
| 14:01 | tch__, Text_To_Speech_In_The_Toolkit is much easier | |
| 14:02 | are a few methods to make easier to implement tts in the activities | |
| 14:02 | tch__ | gonzalo_, looks good, and necessary to avoid all that repeat stuff |
| 14:03 | this will be moved to toolkit? | |
| 14:03 | are sugar TTS in toolkit already? | |
| 14:03 | or needs to be moved too | |
| 14:03 | ? | |
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| 14:04 | gonzalo_ | tch__, tts is implemented in sugar, but the methods in the toolkit call to sugar by dbus, as we do with the joural |
| 14:04 | jornal | |
| 14:04 | when you open the objectinspector | |
| 14:05 | for the activity is only a method, the toolkit takes care of alll | |
| 14:06 | tch__ | gonzalo_, not sure I understand the architecture, |
| 14:06 | gonzalo_, the TTS bits are implemented in sugar then? | |
| 14:06 | and toolkit uses it through dbus | |
| 14:06 | gonzalo_ | tch__, what you said, (move the code form sugar to the toolkit) have sense too |
| 14:06 | tch__ | yeah |
| 14:06 | I was going to that | |
| 14:06 | would be simper I think | |
| 14:07 | dbus has its cost, and in this case I don't think is necessary | |
| 14:07 | gonzalo_ | that simplify one issue I had pending, how make two activities using tts don't mix parameters |
| 14:08 | tch__ | yes |
| 14:08 | I think that should work fine | |
| 14:09 | think that is possible for our features freeze :)? | |
| 14:10 | gonzalo_ | tch__, when is that? |
| 14:11 | tch__ | December 1 |
| 14:12 | gonzalo_ | tch__, both features are doable. my main concern is how much time will i have available.... |
| 14:12 | tch__ | we do what we can :) |
| 14:12 | gonzalo_ | yes |
| 14:12 | tch__ | both seems important, |
| 14:12 | but is up to you what should prioritize | |
| 14:13 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i would like to show you the optimize treeview code in uy |
| 14:13 | tch__ | gonzalo_, we could dedicate each day to one idea and full work on that haha |
| 14:13 | gonzalo_ | two more eyes can help |
| 14:14 | tch__ | we got many days |
| 14:14 | I will stay here until next wednesday | |
| 14:16 | gonzalo_, ok, should we move on? | |
| 14:16 | ;) | |
| 14:16 | gonzalo_ | tch__, please |
| 14:17 | tch__ | gonzalo_, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]_activity_updates is about "marking" activities in the microformat back-end file, so it won't get installed automatically, also won;t be selected by default in the updater UI |
| 14:17 | gonzalo_ | piece of cake :) |
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| 14:17 | tch__ | yeah, and its basically done |
| 14:18 | I could send the PR anytime, | |
| 14:18 | gonzalo_ | please do |
| 14:18 | tch__ | ok |
| 14:18 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]adhoc_autoconnect this one is about adding a new config so sugar won't automatically connect to adhoc networks.. | |
| 14:19 | by default it will connect, so keep the current behavior | |
| 14:20 | we just need to set a dconf key | |
| 14:20 | to change that behavior, | |
| 14:20 | this is another request from AU, as they don't see why laptops should connect when they don't collaborate | |
| 14:20 | it wastes resources, network and battery | |
| 14:21 | earias | nice! |
| 14:21 | tch__ | I think this could help other deployments, |
| 14:22 | gonzalo_, see? earias approves it! | |
| 14:22 | :) | |
| 14:22 | gonzalo_ | hi earias! |
| 14:22 | earias | hi! |
| 14:22 | tch__ | it is also ready, I just need to send the PRs |
| 14:23 | is really small, | |
| 14:24 | earias, estoy en uruguay por cierto, | |
| 14:24 | earias, esta tarde voy a MVD | |
| 14:25 | earias | genial! |
| 14:25 | tch__ | earias, voy a estar en udelar, por la conferencia CLEI y lo de sumo.uy |
| 14:25 | earias | venis a visitarnos a ceibal? |
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| 14:26 | tch__ | earias, porque no, el miercoles podria :) |
| 14:26 | earias, creo que copsa 711 me deja enfrente, | |
| 14:26 | earias | sip |
| 14:27 | tch__ | earias, te confirmo antes del miercoles ! |
| 14:27 | gonzalo_, still there? | |
| 14:27 | earias | :) |
| 14:28 | gonzalo_ | tch__, yes :) |
| 14:28 | earias, podemos organizar algo para el jueves? | |
| 14:29 | yo llego al mediodia, walter el miercoles a la mañana | |
| 14:29 | earias | si claro! |
| 14:29 | avisen cuando puedan y los esperamos | |
| 14:30 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 14:30 | tch__ | mejor! |
| 14:31 | one more feature from my side | |
| 14:31 | gonzalo_ | go, tch__ :) |
| 14:31 | tch__ | gonzalo_, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Spent_Times basically, stores the amount of seconds for which the activity was on the main screen |
| 14:31 | is a small change too, | |
| 14:32 | I am sure other deployments working with stats will find it useful, | |
| 14:32 | gonzalo_ | is already in use in au? |
| 14:32 | tch__ | yes |
| 14:32 | something originally created by manu | |
| 14:32 | gonzalo_ | good, then is tested already |
| 14:32 | tch__ | yes |
| 14:32 | iron tested | |
| 14:33 | I will prepare these 3 PRs then, | |
| 14:33 | I guess this enough for today, | |
| 14:33 | we can review the others ones in the next session | |
| 14:34 | 3 from walter, 2 from sam, and 1 from prasoon | |
| 14:34 | maybe we can do it in frinedlier time for sam | |
| 14:34 | gonzalo_ | tch__, looking at the features list, i am worried by the feature from manuq, and the big features, like social help and the bulletin board |
| 14:35 | tch__ | gonzalo_, what concerns you ? |
| 14:35 | regarding manu's one | |
| 14:36 | gonzalo_ | manuq is not available |
| 14:36 | tch__ | gonzalo_, well, yes.. thats certainly a problem, |
| 14:36 | but is someone depending on it? | |
| 14:36 | I mean, the feature, | |
| 14:37 | gonzalo_ | tch__, the feature was proposed on 0.102, someone would take it |
| 14:37 | if we want land it | |
| 14:37 | tch__ | gonzalo_, can you review it, and see whats the status? |
| 14:38 | gonzalo_, then we decide depending on the changes it would need | |
| 14:38 | gonzalo_, and see if its worth it, then we can find solutoins | |
| 14:38 | like splitting the work, or convince someone to work on it | |
| 14:39 | I am bit worried about sam's | |
| 14:39 | 3 big changes to notifications, I think they worth it, | |
| 14:39 | but needs changes | |
| 14:39 | gonzalo_ | tch__, are really needed? |
| 14:39 | tch__ | just as manu's I think, |
| 14:40 | no one using it | |
| 14:40 | but if sams will work on it anyway, and it gets it to a point where is ready, why not land it | |
| 14:40 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i would prefer don't make notifications code more complex if is not _really_ needed |
| 14:41 | tch__ | gonzalo_, lets decide next session then? |
| 14:41 | gonzalo_ | tch__, that will take time from us to review and test |
| 14:41 | tch__ | gonzalo_, to hear form sam and others, |
| 14:41 | para desempatar! | |
| 14:41 | gonzalo_ | yes,, let decide next meeeting |
| 14:41 | tch__ | but yes, saving time is good |
| 14:42 | gonzalo_ | tch__, when is next meeeting |
| 14:42 | two weeks from now? | |
| 14:42 | tch__ | gonzalo_, depends on us, |
| 14:42 | gonzalo_, probably next week, | |
| 14:42 | gonzalo_, I will talk to sam | |
| 14:42 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 14:42 | tch__ | gonzalo_, see if is possible for him in a friendlier time |
| 14:42 | because hes from AU | |
| 14:43 | but lets no pass next week, | |
| 14:43 | so we can all start hacking and polishing | |
| 14:43 | gonzalo_ | tch__, next monday we will still be on uy |
| 14:44 | tch__ | gonzalo_, we could do a mix in-situ and irc? not sure how that would work |
| 14:44 | probably Thursday/friday? | |
| 14:44 | for a IRC one, | |
| 14:45 | gonzalo_ | tch__, can work mix next monday |
| 14:45 | tch__ | particular concerns for social help or bulletin-board? |
| 14:46 | gonzalo_ | big features, needing a lot of work |
| 14:47 | tch__ | gonzalo_, lets give it a look before the meeting |
| 14:47 | gonzalo_, so have some ideas of what really takes, | |
| 14:48 | gonzalo_, I think both feature could be of great helps if the users can be encouraged to use them | |
| 14:52 | thanks everyone for coming ! see you in the next session! | |
| 14:52 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:52 | meeting | Meeting ended Mon Sep 15 14:52:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:52 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-15T13:25:14.html | |
| 14:52 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]14-09-15T13:25:14 | |
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