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14:05 | walterbender | hi all |
14:05 | gonzalo_ | hi walterbender |
14:05 | walterbender | gonzalo_, how are your wrists? |
14:06 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, better |
14:06 | walterbender | good... but be sure to rest. |
14:06 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, yes, trying ... :) |
14:06 | walterbender | has an advantage since he cannot type his wrists don't hurt :P |
14:06 | tch__ | gonzalo_, take care of these golden wrists :) |
14:07 | gonzalo_ | :) |
14:07 | walterbender | so, we are gathered to sum up the GSoC experience |
14:07 | and to make plans to ensure we capture all of the good work | |
14:08 | gonzalo_ | who else is here? lionel? |
14:08 | walterbender | he was going to try to join us... |
14:08 | but he is not here :P | |
14:10 | shall we begin by discussing the projects 1 by 1? | |
14:10 | tch__ | walterbender, sure |
14:11 | gonzalo_ | here is the list: |
14:11 | walterbender | gonzalo_, any comments re aneesh y music? |
14:11 | gonzalo_ | Project Student Mentor |
14:11 | Music Suite Aneesh Dogra Gonzalo Odiard | |
14:11 | Turtle Art 3D Anubhav Jaiswal Tony Forster | |
14:11 | Activity Unit/UI Tests Gaurav Parida Daniel Narvaez | |
14:11 | Port to Python 3 Kunal Arora Sameer Verma | |
14:11 | Bulletin Board Nazrul Haque Athar Walter Bender | |
14:11 | Hack a Stuffed Animal Jade Garrett Stephen Thomas | |
14:11 | Social Help for Sugar Prasoon Shukla Paul Cotton | |
14:11 | Cordova for Sugar Puneet Kaur Lionel Laské | |
14:11 | Sugar Listens Rodrigo Parra Martin Abente | |
14:12 | was a little difficult, he tried to do just the minimum. but what is done, can be released | |
14:12 | walterbender | so we got something useful at least |
14:12 | gonzalo_ | yes |
14:12 | walterbender | yes... seems his heart and mind were elsewhere this summer |
14:12 | I hope he learned something about keeping commitments | |
14:13 | will you release a new version soon? | |
14:14 | gonzalo_ | i want add a visual representation of the music played in the canvas, in the style of music paint |
14:14 | walterbender | nice idea |
14:14 | gonzalo_ | and with that do a release |
14:14 | walterbender | but don't make it too complex :P |
14:15 | gonzalo_ | no |
14:15 | walterbender | re Anubhav y Turtle 3D, I released the first version (still waiting for review in ASLO) |
14:15 | have some good feedback already | |
14:16 | a couple of things I'd like to take care of sooner than later like making the turtle cursor 3D | |
14:16 | but it works and it lots of fun | |
14:16 | quite challenging | |
14:16 | tony was a big help as mentor... asking good questions | |
14:17 | I think Anubhav will continue to help with the development as well | |
14:18 | And there seems to be some interest at Ceibal in integration with their 3D printer program... something to explore when I am in MVD | |
14:18 | tch__ | walterbender, nice |
14:19 | walterbender | It is kind of cool that you can import .OBJ files too |
14:20 | re Gaurav and UI testing | |
14:20 | gonzalo_ | would be nice have the logic to show that 3d objects in a cairo canvas available for other activities |
14:20 | walterbender | it was unfortunate that dnarvaez disappeared right as we got started |
14:20 | nonetheless, he did a very good job | |
14:21 | gonzalo_ | I tried to help where I could |
14:21 | walterbender | tch__, I think he has a few patches to land for 104??? |
14:21 | gonzalo_, yes... much appreciated | |
14:21 | would be good to get his tests upstream | |
14:21 | tch__ | walterbender, I will look at his patches then |
14:21 | walterbender | I think it is important for us |
14:22 | the more automated testing the better for support purposed | |
14:22 | gonzalo_ | yes. I think the toolkit patches need a little of cleanup |
14:22 | walterbender | but there are not so far amiss |
14:22 | tch__ | walterbender, are there docs for his work_ |
14:22 | gonzalo_ | I expressed my concern about the logic used to calculate the coordinates |
14:23 | walterbender | gonzalo_, yes... I is not good |
14:23 | gonzalo_ | but is easily solved I think |
14:23 | walterbender | I^it |
14:23 | is not good either :P | |
14:24 | regarding kunal and the Python 3 port | |
14:24 | I think it is a very good start... lots of issues exposed and resolved | |
14:25 | I don't think we can make this change in 104, but something to consider for 106 perhaps? | |
14:25 | gonzalo_ | Sameer did mentoring on that? |
14:25 | walterbender | again, it is a shame that dnarvaez was not around to help |
14:25 | sameer tried to help some, but I think it was a bit too afar from his expertise | |
14:26 | tch__ | walterbender, definitely not for 104, so yeah 106 might be our next chance |
14:26 | walterbender | it was perhaps a bad match for a mentor. my mistake |
14:26 | I was counting on daniel's help | |
14:27 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, daniel had few time anyway |
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14:28 | walterbender | gonzalo_, yes... a lesson learned -- not to overextend the mentors |
14:28 | gonzalo_ | hi llaske |
14:28 | walterbender | hi lionel |
14:28 | llaske | Sorry I'm late |
14:28 | tch__ | llaske, walcome! |
14:28 | gonzalo_ | llaske, nice to see you! |
14:29 | llaske | Thanks to all |
14:29 | walterbender | llaske, maybe you can comment re puneet and cordova? |
14:29 | llaske | yep |
14:30 | Puneet is very impressive | |
14:30 | She understand very easily tasks | |
14:31 | As lot of young student, she always go to quick :-) | |
14:31 | too | |
14:31 | So my work was mainly to say her to take more time to think before coding ! | |
14:32 | At end she has completed the work: | |
14:32 | walterbender | has that problem too |
14:32 | llaske | - apysocket.py update to integrate cordova call |
14:33 | - cordova core update to integrate sugar as a new platform (a pull request was sent to the cordova team) | |
14:33 | tch__ | llaske, nice |
14:33 | llaske | - 5 plug-ins |
14:33 | - An activity sample to illustrate use of cordova into sugar-web | |
14:34 | Two bonus: | |
14:34 | - She work on Sugarizer integration | |
14:34 | - Most important: she's okay to join us and integrate cordova container as a 0.104 feature | |
14:34 | gonzalo_ | llaske, great |
14:35 | llaske, we need your help with that | |
14:35 | llaske | Yes sure |
14:35 | walterbender | llaske, as an aside, turtle art JS is much improved of late |
14:36 | llaske | Yes, I've worked yesterday with Alberto on that and now TurtleJS save its content in the Journal ! |
14:36 | walterbender | llaske, thx |
14:36 | llaske | TurtleJS is very great |
14:36 | walterbender | not great yet, but good :) |
14:36 | it will be great | |
14:37 | llaske | Combined with Sugarizer it's really our best weapon to democratizer what is Sugar |
14:37 | walterbender | :) |
14:37 | llaske | democratize |
14:37 | walterbender | llaske, I'd like to see integration with sensors |
14:38 | and media | |
14:38 | llaske | More: my next Sugarizer version is really responsive design so works very well on Android (4.2+) and (new) Firefox OS |
14:38 | walterbender | then it will be pretty comprehensive |
14:38 | llaske | Including on Smartphone ! |
14:39 | walterbender | llaske, we may want to make some UI changes for the smaller screens |
14:39 | llaske | yes, sure |
14:39 | walterbender | back on topic... |
14:40 | re nazrul and bulletin board | |
14:40 | the code needs some work... I hope we can land some of it for 104 | |
14:41 | being able to do a chat overlay on shared activities is powerful | |
14:41 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, works in any activity? |
14:41 | walterbender | would work with any activity... |
14:42 | but shared activities would be make more sense | |
14:42 | an extension to the toolkit | |
14:42 | and there is a separate extension to Sugar... a shared clipboard | |
14:43 | gonzalo_ | finallly :) |
14:44 | walterbender | I think we could land them separately as we may want to think about our overall plan for classroon sharing |
14:46 | gonzalo_ | anyway, we will need some work to have that ready..... |
14:46 | walterbender | yes... |
14:46 | I will try to clean up the chat first, hopefully for 104 | |
14:48 | prasoon's project on social help | |
14:48 | paul worked very closely with him | |
14:49 | and we will have a server set up soon at sl.o | |
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14:50 | walterbender | native93, we just were discussing bulletin board |
14:51 | native93, the goal is to try to upstream the toolkit changes first | |
14:53 | tch__ | back, sorry, had a phone call |
14:53 | walterbender | tch__, can you tell us about rodrigo y Sugar listens? |
14:53 | tch__ | well, basically his works is split 4 |
14:54 | he encapsulated the pocketsphinx recognizer in a dbus service, because it was expensive it launch one pipeline for each activity and sugar | |
14:54 | then he created 3 clients | |
14:55 | one for sugar, in the form of a device icon where the user can control the daemon (turn it off or on), | |
14:55 | this device icon also allows the use to launch activities by voice commands | |
14:56 | with minimal journal integration | |
14:56 | walterbender | tch__, should we consider this for 102? |
14:56 | tch__ | so you can start a new instance or kind of query a existing one using dates |
14:56 | walterbender | would be nice to make the Turtle plugin available too |
14:56 | tch__ | walterbender, I think it needs some UI polish but yes it could make it |
14:56 | walterbender, yes the other 2 clients are | |
14:57 | a forked version of maze which is fully controlled by voice commands | |
14:57 | this serves as an working example for other developers | |
14:57 | and the third client is the TA plugin | |
14:57 | the plugin allows writing recognizer kind of magically | |
14:58 | is just one block | |
14:58 | gonzalo_ | tch__, this could be a great topic for the summit in UY |
14:58 | tch__ | gonzalo_, definitely, |
14:58 | native93 | hey walterbender .. just saw the discussion . .. Happy to hear about getting it upstream .. |
14:58 | gonzalo_ | and would be great if you have a working demo to show to the deployments |
14:59 | tch__, willl rodrigo go? | |
14:59 | tch__ | gonzalo_, he was going to go, but today he told he might not go :( some personal problems |
14:59 | gonzalo_ | ohh |
15:00 | tch__ | gonzalo_, there is still the possibility though, |
15:02 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, who is next? |
15:02 | walterbender | jade is the last one |
15:02 | she did the stuffed animal interface to etoys | |
15:02 | would be very useful to Mariana in .UY | |
15:03 | some nice video documentation | |
15:03 | tch__ | walterbender, where is the video? :) |
15:04 | walterbender | looks |
15:05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]&feature=youtu.be | |
15:05 | there are more | |
15:06 | llaske | Where is Sugar in the video ? |
15:07 | walterbender | llaske, this was not really Sugar... but something some Sugar users were interested in |
15:08 | a simple physical interface for children with diasabilities. | |
15:08 | the first step...Jade's project...was to make the device | |
15:08 | we need to think about how to best integrate into Sugar | |
15:08 | llaske | ok |
15:09 | walterbender | we (Andres et al. at FING) have done some Turtle work with these types of interfaces |
15:09 | but we don't have a general Sugar solution yet | |
15:09 | llaske | yes, seen it |
15:13 | walterbender | I think we covered all the projects |
15:13 | all in all, quite productive IMHO | |
15:13 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, yes |
15:13 | walterbender | but we need to work hard to finish upstreaming |
15:13 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, what have we learned? |
15:14 | walterbender | we learned once again that having mentors with time and patience is critical |
15:14 | tch__ | walterbender, +1 |
15:14 | walterbender | and I think we also learned that Sugar is easier and easier to approach as a hackable system |
15:15 | must of the students this year came in with very little experience -- almost no Sugar experience -- and yet they were productive | |
15:15 | says a lot about our mentors and our project | |
15:16 | tch__ | walterbender, we all put a lot of effort, considering our limited time :) |
15:16 | walterbender | feels like he could have done more this summer |
15:16 | llaske | nice conclusion ! |
15:16 | walterbender | was off his game |
15:17 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, even when all that is true, I think we need be more realistic about how many projects we can mentor |
15:17 | walterbender | gonzalo_, yes... it was not expected to have 10 slots |
15:17 | we asked for 6 | |
15:17 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, we can say no, too :) |
15:17 | walterbender | not something I am good at |
15:18 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, no, thanks :) |
15:18 | tch__ | gonzalo_, I agree, this year experience was far better compared to the last year, it was kind of extreme difference though, |
15:18 | 1-to-1 works really nice, for me at least, and face-to-face was even better hehe | |
15:18 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, my main concern now is, we have a lot of unmerged stuff, not just from this year, but from previous years |
15:18 | walterbender | funny... last year I had an amazing student.. very productive but perhaps as a whole it was less productive |
15:19 | gonzalo_, I don't expect that GSoC is about merging | |
15:19 | it is about exploring new ideas | |
15:19 | merging is a bonus | |
15:19 | tch__ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]ed_Features_for_0.104 we are actually merging some already |
15:19 | or plan to | |
15:19 | I see 3 | |
15:19 | gonzalo_ | if is about explore, is ok, but I hope we can use that to our users finally |
15:19 | tch__ | 4 adding speech stuff |
15:20 | walterbender | tch__, and that doesn't include the activities |
15:20 | tch__ | true |
15:20 | walterbender | > 50% is pretty good in my book |
15:20 | gonzalo_ | wow, 0.104 features is bigger now |
15:21 | tch__ | gonzalo_, its replicating itself! |
15:22 | gonzalo_ | anyway is good understand what are your expectations... |
15:22 | i always focused in have distributable stuff | |
15:25 | walterbender | gonzalo_, it is hard to ask developer time when things are not distributable... but we also need space to explore new ideas that may be dead ends... a good use of students |
15:26 | low risk and everyone learns | |
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15:32 | walterbender | I guess we are done? |
15:32 | thanks all for the help this summer | |
15:33 | and please, let's help tch__ push these features upstream for 104 :P | |
15:33 | tch__ | walterbender, haha, please :) |
15:35 | walterbender | goes back to chasing down some bugs |
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