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| 13:02 | tch__ | hello everyone, should be start? |
| 13:02 | s/be/we | |
| 13:02 | bashintosh | Hi there! |
| 13:03 | tch__ | bashintosh, lets wait 5 minutes for people to arrive? |
| 13:04 | ebordon | Hi |
| 13:04 | bashintosh | tch__: OK |
| 13:07 | tch__ | ebordon, hola! |
| 13:07 | ebordon, bienvenido | |
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| 13:08 | gonzalo_ | hello all! |
| 13:09 | ebordon | tch, gracias tincho! |
| 13:09 | tch__ | |
| 13:09 | gonzalo_ | tch__, what is the agenda? |
| 13:10 | tch__ | #startmeeting |
| 13:10 | meeting | Meeting started Mon Aug 11 13:10:15 2014 UTC. The chair is tch__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:10 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 13:11 | tch__ | gonzalo_, #info agenda is a) 0.104 ideas and feature proposals? b) revise 0.104 roadmap and c) pootle talk |
| 13:11 | #topic What do we want for 0.104 | |
| 13:12 | as in the previous meeting, this topic is about the things we want and can do for 0.104 | |
| 13:13 | we previously talked about collaboration both for current python stack and also for sugar web | |
| 13:13 | we also talked about performance, specially in the journal | |
| 13:13 | gonzalo_, talked about speeding up activities startup times by moving things to toolkit | |
| 13:13 | gonzalo_, anything you want to mention in that regard? | |
| 13:14 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i already started with the TTS stuff, will have something to show next week |
| 13:15 | tch__ | gonzalo_, nice, |
| 13:15 | gonzalo_, there is also other stuff we need to look up, like GSoC related proposals and even sam's notifications | |
| 13:16 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i published http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]peechInTheToolkit wold be good have feedback from activities developers, to see if anything more is needed in the api |
| 13:16 | tch__, yes, we can talk about that too in the meeting | |
| 13:16 | tch__ | gonzalo_, I also proposed this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]_activity_updates |
| 13:17 | bashintosh | tch__: +1 for that! |
| 13:17 | tch__ | to make the automatic updates a bit more flexible |
| 13:17 | in terms of what should be automatically added or not | |
| 13:17 | gonzalo_ | tch__, +1 |
| 13:18 | tch__ | I guess we will be receiving other additions for the 0.104 feature list in the next months, |
| 13:18 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i saw a lot of feedback in the thread, connected with the updater, but not specifically with the feature |
| 13:18 | tch__ | there are always a organic part of features proposals |
| 13:19 | gonzalo_, yes... it seems that the updater itself is getting more attention now, thus more feedback | |
| 13:20 | gonzalo_ | tch__, something we need improve, is the process to take the decision on "go" or "no go" for the features. in the last cycle we just pushed when the code was ok |
| 13:20 | tch__ | gonzalo_, I think we should use dev meetings for that |
| 13:20 | gonzalo_, not today, but for the next we start gathering proposals | |
| 13:20 | and vote | |
| 13:21 | I think we used to do that before | |
| 13:21 | gonzalo_ | tch__, yes, have sense |
| 13:21 | tch__ | it could be encouraging too |
| 13:22 | to have people coming :) | |
| 13:22 | #idea gathering proposals and vote for them in devmeetings | |
| 13:23 | ebordon, thanks for coming! | |
| 13:23 | ebordon, how are things in .uy? | |
| 13:24 | thinks they are busy haha | |
| 13:25 | gonzalo_, I will start gathering these proposals and document a list in the 0.104 wiki | |
| 13:25 | bashintosh | tch__: was there a list of proposed features to keep track of? |
| 13:25 | ebordon | tch__, great, we are not working so much on sugar rigth now, but we pay attenrtion in the new development |
| 13:26 | tch__ | ebordon, have you tried 0.102 recently? we have testing builds |
| 13:27 | ebordon, recently gonzalo released "pure" 0.102 images for others to try | |
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| 13:28 | ebordon | tch__, we didnt deep test on 0.102, but we are thinking in include it (or 0.104 maybe) in XO-4 for next year |
| 13:28 | tch__ | ebordon, including 0.104 would be great :) |
| 13:29 | ebordon | tch__, yes, the idea is include the last one |
| 13:29 | gonzalo_ | ebordon, would be great have feedback from you on the 0.102 images http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]Testing_with_a_XO |
| 13:30 | ebordon | tck__, ok |
| 13:30 | tch__ | gonzalo_, ebordon +1, |
| 13:30 | satellit | has anyone tested 0.102 default applications in f21 soas? ie: IRC fails to start etc |
| 13:31 | tch__ | satellit, I didn't, is it a general issue or just for some activities? |
| 13:31 | satellit | just some activities... |
| 13:32 | sorry to intrude | |
| 13:33 | tch__ | satellit, is ok, think you have the time to send a quick reminder to the ML? |
| 13:33 | gonzalo_ | satellit, +1, no tested on f21, please send mail to sugar-devel |
| 13:33 | tch__ | satellit, so we can continue there :) |
| 13:34 | satellit | glad to or maybe a testing page for reporting for Soas |
| 13:35 | tch__ | quidam, have you noticed this too in toast? |
| 13:35 | (now that we are at it) | |
| 13:36 | # idea check soas and toast activities functioning | |
| 13:37 | ebordon, btw, who is coordinating sugar work in .uy now? | |
| 13:40 | ebordon | tch__, Maybe Esteban A. is who know more about sugar status |
| 13:40 | tch__ | ebordon, ahh, ok, thanks :) |
| 13:41 | ebordon, gonzalo_ bashintosh satellit anything else you would like to add in terms of features? | |
| 13:42 | ebordon, your feedback will be of great help for the next meeting :) | |
| 13:42 | ebordon | tch__, we will try to do some testing |
| 13:42 | bashintosh | tch__: nope I think focusing on collaboration was however a thing of general agreement |
| 13:43 | tch__ | bashintosh, yes, I will start working on that asap, I need to coordinate with lionel from .fr |
| 13:43 | bashintosh | tch__: I see, OK |
| 13:44 | gonzalo_ | bashintosh, paul talked about google drive integration in the journal |
| 13:44 | bashintosh | gonzalo_: that is an interesting feature indeed |
| 13:45 | tch__ | gonzalo_, we have a initial implemention from last year code-in |
| 13:45 | gonzalo_ | tch__, do you know what was the state of that? |
| 13:45 | tch__ | gonzalo_, it was working, but the journal really needs some work to allow having different backends more cleanly |
| 13:46 | gonzalo_, a bit of refactoring is needed to really support new backends | |
| 13:46 | bashintosh | gonzalo_: it is probably a feature that will require steady maintenance as the API advances quickly |
| 13:47 | gonzalo_ | bashintosh, i hope they keep backwards compatibility.... |
| 13:47 | satellit | is the age and sex info in 0.102 used? (on initial login to Soas) |
| 13:47 | and sugar-desktop in 2nd DE | |
| 13:49 | gonzalo_ | satellit, just if the deployment collect statistics in some way |
| 13:49 | satellit | k |
| 13:49 | tch__ | gonzalo_, I think walter uses age for journalshare to determine how it would function too |
| 13:50 | gonzalo_ | tch__, true |
| 13:51 | tch__ | should we move on to the next topic? |
| 13:51 | gonzalo_ | +1 |
| 13:52 | tch__ | #topic how do we do this? |
| 13:53 | as always we need to planning, deadlines, to keep us focused and organized | |
| 13:53 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.104/Roadmap | |
| 13:53 | I prepared that roadmap, but is not set on stone yet | |
| 13:54 | bashintosh | tch__: what kind of bugfix is the first milestone for example? |
| 13:55 | tch__ | bashintosh, 0.102 was released with no translations updates, because of pootle |
| 13:55 | so the plan is to have pootle work, and fix that | |
| 13:55 | bashintosh | tch__: OK, BTW I fixed the user issue |
| 13:56 | tch__ | bashintosh, the plan is not going that smoothly in the practice, but I am trying :) |
| 13:56 | bashintosh, thanks :) | |
| 13:56 | bashintosh, let talk that in the next topic? | |
| 13:56 | bashintosh | tch__: you're welcome! |
| 13:57 | tch__ | bashintosh, what do you think about the deadlines from AU pov |
| 13:57 | satellit, I read gnome and fedora roadmaps and I tried to have it mind | |
| 13:58 | satellit | thanks...f21 is still candidate stage |
| 13:58 | tch__ | satellit, think these deadlines could work ? |
| 13:58 | bashintosh | tch__: it all comes down to how much code (quality code) you can write with the current pool of developers |
| 13:58 | satellit__e | FYI: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_21#Fedora_21 |
| 14:00 | bashintosh | tch__: if we are sharing development resources with the AU dev, those deadlines are a bit tight unless the things that need to be done are really trivial (and they might well be) |
| 14:00 | tch__ | bashintosh, ^ you might find that link useful too |
| 14:00 | satellit | f21 presently seem to boot... |
| 14:00 | bashintosh | tch__: will test! |
| 14:01 | satellit__e | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]stall#Test_Matrix |
| 14:03 | tch__ | ebordon, does .uy have a general schedule for releasing new software? ie., which are the time windows for releasing a new xo build |
| 14:04 | satellit, booting seems like a positive first step hehe | |
| 14:05 | ebordon | tch__ no, It's hard to release new software for the delivered devices |
| 14:05 | tch__ | ebordon, I can imagine, |
| 14:05 | ebordon | tch__ because there is a lot of activities that haven't got compatibility |
| 14:05 | tch__ | gonzalo_, ^ |
| 14:06 | ebordon | tch__, but if we have new devices or new release increase the performance, we will to use it |
| 14:07 | tch__, we are thinking in release new build in march for XO 1.75 and XO-4 for example | |
| 14:08 | gonzalo_ | ebordon, if you find issues, as soon as are reported, better |
| 14:08 | satellit | do you use fedora bugzilla for reports or where? |
| 14:09 | ebordon | gonzalo_, of course |
| 14:09 | gonzalo_ | bugs.sugarlabs.org |
| 14:09 | satellit | k |
| 14:10 | gonzalo_ | ebordon, maybe gduarte can work with us to solve the issues you find? |
| 14:11 | ebordon | gonzalo_, in fact, he is working in solve issues with sugar for us |
| 14:12 | gonzalo_, now, he is fucosed in Sugar for no-XO devices, but when we start to work in new release he could help us | |
| 14:12 | gonzalo_ | great |
| 14:12 | tch__ | ebordon, thats would be great ! |
| 14:13 | gonzalo_ | tch__, about the schedule, if there are not issues, would be good set it and make it public |
| 14:14 | tch__ | gonzalo_, ok, I can socialize it in the ML |
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| 14:15 | gonzalo_ | tch__, ok, but just a little :) |
| 14:15 | tch__, we need move on | |
| 14:15 | tch__ | gonzalo_, ok, next topic |
| 14:15 | # pootle! | |
| 14:15 | gonzalo_ | please :) |
| 14:15 | tch__ | #topic whats the pootle status? |
| 14:16 | well, looking at the previous instance and such, I believe that we should stick to pootle's native feature if we want to make this platform maintainable over time | |
| 14:17 | we are looking at the possibilities now, | |
| 14:17 | cjl will send previous instance workflow explanation to see exactly what all were the uses cases, | |
| 14:18 | so we can tell if is possible to cover the workflow with new pootle's feature alone, | |
| 14:19 | this past weekend, I researched a bit about what current pootle can do or can't do | |
| 14:19 | ie., it can't re-generate POT files from source files | |
| 14:19 | but, since pootle 2.5.1 we can write extension for pootle | |
| 14:20 | so I wrote a quick extension for covering that part, | |
| 14:20 | the idea to set a test instance so we can try pootle's workflow | |
| 14:20 | and then compare it with previous one, and see if its acceptable | |
| 14:21 | in parallel, I was setting this testing instance in newpootle.sugarlabs.org, but had some troubles with permissions | |
| 14:21 | bashintosh, what was the problem? | |
| 14:21 | gonzalo_ | tch__, are you working on a new pootle server from zero or using the last server available? |
| 14:21 | tch__ | gonzalo_, for this testing one, I am using the same VM |
| 14:22 | gonzalo_, so I don't bother bernie too much haha | |
| 14:22 | gonzalo_, but later I might need a new one, this one was too much touched for my taste at least | |
| 14:23 | bashintosh | tch__: a missing parameter in the vhost(s) file + incomplete /etc/passwd entry for the user (was missing env type) |
| 14:23 | tch__ | bashintosh, can you explain me the diff later? |
| 14:24 | bashintosh | tch__: yes I left the details out to keep things clean :) |
| 14:24 | tch__ | gonzalo_, btw, how are we doing with the repos inventory? |
| 14:24 | gonzalo_, any response from maintainers? | |
| 14:24 | gonzalo_ | tch__, sadly, no |
| 14:24 | tch__, i need catch walter at least :) | |
| 14:25 | tch__ | gonzalo_, walter has been dragged into endless meetings loop, needs to be rescued |
| 14:26 | gonzalo_, we can start by the repos we have anyway, | |
| 14:27 | gonzalo_, sugar, sugar-toolkit etc are the ones I personally care ATM, so I expect others joining in once pootle is back | |
| 14:27 | gonzalo_ | tch__, true, but if the developer moved to another different, there are no way to know |
| 14:27 | tch__, i already have that | |
| 14:27 | tch__ | gonzalo_, I doubt it, but it could happened |
| 14:28 | gonzalo_ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]ects/Repositories |
| 14:28 | tch__ | gonzalo_, we should try to complete fructose at least |
| 14:29 | gonzalo_ | tch__, browse and record are on git.sugarlabs.org yet, the others are from walter |
| 14:29 | tch__ | gonzalo_, who are the maintainers? |
| 14:29 | of these two | |
| 14:29 | is* | |
| 14:30 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i am waiting a little for the developers, if not replies, i will fill the blanks |
| 14:30 | tch__ | gonzalo_, +1 |
| 14:30 | gonzalo_ | browse -> manuq, record -> dsd |
| 14:30 | tch__ | gonzalo_, ok |
| 14:30 | gonzalo_ | i probably will work on record this month for AU |
| 14:31 | tch__ | the next week end half I will be pretty much offline btw, |
| 14:31 | gonzalo_ | honeymoon? |
| 14:32 | tch__ | yes, |
| 14:32 | going to japan | |
| 14:32 | gonzalo_ | then, probably pootle server will be ready after that |
| 14:32 | tch__ | this wednesday night |
| 14:32 | gonzalo_ | i have more time to get the information :) |
| 14:33 | tch__ | yes, I think chris needs time to prepare his documents too |
| 14:33 | my goal is to have a testing one before leaving though, | |
| 14:33 | with the extension I am writing, to have a decent workflow | |
| 14:33 | based on pootle feature alone | |
| 14:34 | gonzalo_ | great |
| 14:35 | tch__ | well, i think thats all for this meeting :) |
| 14:35 | anything someone else wants to add? | |
| 14:36 | gonzalo_ | tch__, i think we are ready. |
| 14:36 | tch__ | gonzalo_, bashintosh satellit ebordon alright, thank you guys for coming! |
| 14:36 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:36 | meeting | Meeting ended Mon Aug 11 14:36:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:36 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-11T13:10:15.html | |
| 14:36 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]14-08-11T13:10:15 | |
| 14:36 | bashintosh | tch__: pleasure, see you |
| 14:37 | satellit | thanks |
| 14:37 | ebordon | see you |
| 14:37 | gonzalo_ | bye! |
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| 17:39 | quidam | tch__: IRC starts well in Toast |
| 17:39 | using v10 | |
| 17:39 | so far the only problems I found with toast are with collab | |
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| 22:44 | Quozl` | quidam: agreed, collaboration doesn't work for me in f21 yet. first symptom is missing icons in network view. |
| 22:57 | satellit__e | I see than also in Fedora-Live-SoaS-x86_64-21-20140811.iso in Virtualbox and earlier in bare metal install.. |
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| 22:57 | Quozl` | s/than/that (presumed) |
| 22:58 | satellit__e | no Idea how new chat works... |
| 23:02 | Quozl` | (back to #sugar) |
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| 23:04 | sdanielf | ClaudiaU_, hello |
| 23:04 | Claudia_ | hi sdanielf |
| 23:04 | how are you? | |
| 23:05 | I have not heard from Walter for a while... | |
| 23:07 | sdanielf | I hope Walter will enter to this channel later |
| 23:09 | Claudia_ | the SLOBs meeting was today |
| 23:12 | sdanielf | isn't it in 1 or 2 hours? |
| 23:14 | Claudia_ | yeah.. 1 hr |
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