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15:01 | tch__ | bernie, icarito, rgs, gonzalo__ cjl, ping |
15:02 | gonzalo__ | tch__, pong |
15:05 | tch__ | gonzalo__, lets see if we have quorum :) |
15:08 | gonzalo__, I am looking at bernie's email with the instructions | |
15:10 | gonzalo__, do you have experience with pootle? | |
15:20 | gonzalo__ | tch__, i worked a little with configuration of individual repostories |
15:21 | tch__ | gonzalo__, ah, thats a lot better than I did: nothing haha |
15:21 | gonzalo__ | or updating the the pootle utilities |
15:21 | tch__ | gonzalo__, I have zero previous contact with pootle |
15:21 | gonzalo__ | tch__, i wanted talk in this meeting about how configure the repositories |
15:22 | tch__, right now, pootle have a problem | |
15:22 | tch__ | gonzalo__, well, lets wait a bit longer then re-schedule it for Friday |
15:22 | gonzalo__, so icarito can assist too, | |
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15:22 | gonzalo__ | hi cjl! |
15:22 | tch__ | cjl, welcome :) |
15:23 | cjl | hi |
15:23 | gonzalo__ | cjl, how are you? |
15:23 | cjl | About to go on travel for a week for my part time job. |
15:24 | Looking forward to help in resolving Pootle outage | |
15:24 | tch__ | cjl, sounds good :) |
15:24 | cjl, im still clueless, but hopefully we can find a solution | |
15:24 | cjl | It's beyond my tech skills to migrate by myself. |
15:25 | tch__ | cjl, do you know why the previous instance was removed before the new one was working? |
15:25 | gonzalo__ | the plan is migrate to new pootle or restore the last version> |
15:25 | ? | |
15:25 | cjl | It was running on housetree dogi's personal machine and it went down. |
15:26 | tch__ | cjl, ahh |
15:26 | cjl | New pootle would solve many proglems accumulated with old version. |
15:26 | gonzalo__ | cjl, pootle didn't run in sugarlabs infraestructure? |
15:27 | cjl | husetree was backed up like SL infra and housetree was running SL stuff like Pootle |
15:28 | At least that is my belief | |
15:28 | bernie has a better handle on that than me. | |
15:29 | I think if we bring the newpootle VM up t ospeed as he laid out in his message we would be on the right path. | |
15:29 | tch__ | cjl, gonzalo__ I think we need to understand where are standing on |
15:30 | apparently, there is a new machine running with pootle already configure, but with git integration issues | |
15:30 | cjl | There is a stale VM http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/ |
15:31 | It needs update from latest backup of Poolte and git and github connections made. | |
15:31 | tch__ | cjl, how is that instance in terms of synchronization with the previous production one? |
15:31 | cjl | stale by several months |
15:33 | lionaneesh started work on it | |
15:34 | tch__ | cjl, i see, |
15:34 | cjl | There are newer versions of OS and Poolte including translate toolkit that should be ugraded before use |
15:35 | tch__ | cjl, any idea which backup files should be used? |
15:35 | icarito | hi guys |
15:35 | tch__ | icarito, hola! |
15:35 | icarito | que tal :-) |
15:35 | cjl | hi icarito |
15:35 | icarito | I thought I could not make it, i'm late |
15:35 | but I read the backlog | |
15:36 | i'm concerned it's not just a matter of migration but maintenance | |
15:36 | cjl | tch I would asssume the latest pre-crash from housetree |
15:36 | gonzalo__ | cjl, you know what is pending on newpootle? |
15:36 | icarito | i.e. pootle had a tendency to break so it needs some babysitting |
15:36 | tch__ | cjl, ok, I need to translate that into a absolute path :) |
15:37 | cjl | gonzalo__: see bernies note for details |
15:37 | tch__ | cjl, http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/about/ seems to be 2.5 already |
15:38 | icarito | latest is 2.5.1 |
15:39 | cjl | Many changes have gone into Pootle 2.5.1 which follows on from 2.5.0 released in May. |
15:39 | gonzalo__ | one of the poblems I saw in pootle, I don't know if is solved in 2.5 or if cjl and icarito agree, was the obscurity of where was pushing every .po file |
15:39 | tch__ | cjl, icarito, i see |
15:39 | cjl | gonzalo__: That was managed by sayamindu's pootle helper scripts |
15:40 | gonzalo__ | cjl, but the process to change a repository was very manual, right? |
15:40 | icarito | gonzalo__, "where was pushing every .po file" -> as in when, or to what repo? |
15:40 | gonzalo__ | icarito, what repo |
15:41 | and branch | |
15:41 | cjl | https://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers |
15:41 | icarito | looks like it is supported within pootle itself http://pootle.readthedocs.org/[…]sion_control.html |
15:42 | cjl | https://git.sugarlabs.org/poot[…]/project_list.ini |
15:42 | icarito, tha is new to 2.5.x | |
15:42 | icarito | perhaps the custom scripts can be setup with the native git integration instead of custom scripts |
15:43 | cjl | and it needs t omix git a nd git hub |
15:43 | gonzalo__ | reading |
15:43 | cjl | brb |
15:45 | gonzalo__ | icarito, http://pootle.readthedocs.org/[…]sion_control.html looks very similar to the config in our pootle, right? |
15:46 | icarito, tch__, i think we need something like project_list.ini, but with the repositories information to make easier maintain the pootle server | |
15:47 | tch__ | gonzalo__, I wonder if these can be a replacement for custom stuff, |
15:47 | cjl | tch I think they are meant to be. |
15:48 | tch__ | gonzalo__, the more we rely on pootle's own tools, the easier will be in future |
15:48 | icarito | +1 we can use their docs instead of documenting custom stuff |
15:48 | bernie | here |
15:48 | icarito | i guess the devil is in the details |
15:49 | cjl | We need to update our internal process notes http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate |
15:49 | gonzalo__ | icarito, with pootle, the devil is everywhere :) |
15:49 | bernie | cjl: about housetree, it's not been part of SL infra since when we bought the new servers. i migrated everything away from it, and relied on pootle volunteers to do pootle. |
15:49 | gonzalo__ | hi bernie |
15:49 | cjl | bernie, what is latest backup of Pootle db? |
15:50 | tch__ | haha, I never touched pootle before, so this still looks like huge mental spaghetti |
15:50 | bernie | cjl: however, being the paranoid i am, i made the old pootle backup itself onto the new server, just in case. |
15:50 | tch__ | bernie, hey! |
15:50 | bernie | tch__: hola! |
15:51 | cjl | bernie, yes, Pootle vols did not do a timely job of migration. |
15:51 | icarito | is there valuable data in pootle itself beyond the git repos? I mean, setting up a new instance from scratch might be a simple task? |
15:52 | tch__ | icarito, I was wondering the same |
15:52 | bernie | cjl: it seems they all loose heart when they get to the git integration. what's up with that? |
15:52 | cjl | users, projects strings |
15:52 | icarito | bernie, git is a monster even for experienced devs ;-) |
15:52 | well not really, but for me it is | |
15:52 | cjl | bernie, it was a change from the old sayaamindu scripts to Pootle-internakl support |
15:52 | bernie | icarito: i guess the users db, their acls, the list of repos... all this metadata |
15:52 | icarito | my git histories are always a mess |
15:53 | bernie | icarito: personal repositories can be messy |
15:53 | icarito | i'm always baffled when trying to make git history neat |
15:54 | tch__ | bernie, is all that in one DB? |
15:54 | cjl | tch I think it is |
15:55 | bernie | tch__: yes, but i don't remember if it's mysql or sqlite... anyway, it's django so there are higher level methods to dump, restore and migrate it |
15:55 | icarito | also I guess language definitions |
15:55 | bernie | tch__: (obviously, being django, it will be broken in some interesting way) |
15:55 | tch__ | bernie, can you give the URI for that backup? |
15:55 | bernie | tch__: it's in my email |
15:56 | tch__: there is also some outdated documentation our backup system: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/backup | |
15:56 | tch__: you have root on all relevant machines | |
15:56 | tch__ | bernie, I see you mention it, but I don't know where in the fs of that VM is it |
15:57 | bernie | tch__: ah, it's in /backup/<hostname>/<date>/ |
15:57 | tch__ | bernie, ok |
15:57 | bernie | tch__: you'll find the full filesystem of the VM |
15:58 | tch__ | bernie, can you handle the VM OS upgrade? |
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15:59 | bernie | tch__: sure... it might break the old instance of pootle which is currently running on newpootle, but we don't care, right? |
16:00 | tch__: ok i'll upgrade to 14.04 asap. meanwhile, you can study how to upgrade the current pootle instance (or setup a new one) | |
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16:00 | tch__ | bernie, I think i will start by something simpler, setting a dummy one at home |
16:01 | bernie | tch__: nice |
16:01 | tch__ | bernie, to understand what is this all about, |
16:02 | bernie | tch__: django is not my favorite web framework, but it's relatively easy to deploy (and relatively hard to keep running :-) |
16:02 | ouch, i have to run to another meeting, sorry | |
16:02 | cjl | thanks bernie |
16:03 | bernie | i'll be back in about half hour |
16:04 | cjl | tch__: a NEW VM may be good, I had concerns tha lionaneesh was not using the Pootle user in setting up new pootle. pootle user is the one with privs on all git repos |
16:04 | to allow commit | |
16:04 | tch__ | hmm, |
16:05 | cjl | it has it's own ssh key we can get to you |
16:05 | tch__ | since I don't know much about pootle, I will try to get a dummy instance running first, |
16:05 | cjl | When doing anything on the Pootle server, I would always su pootle |
16:06 | tch sounds good | |
16:06 | tch__ | if someone else, with more knowledge think can make things other way, specially faster, just step in :) |
16:06 | hah | |
16:07 | but this is really important, for our next development cycle, even for the current 102 release ;/ | |
16:07 | cjl | yes |
16:09 | tch__ | ok, if there is nothing more to add, lets leave it here for now, I will do my research on pootle... |
16:09 | cjl | So wehave the start of a plan. bernie to upgrade VM OS and tch to experiment with Pootle install http://pootle.readthedocs.org/[…]installation.html |
16:09 | tch__ | yep |
16:09 | :) | |
16:09 | cjl | Sounds good to me. |
16:10 | I'll be on travel, but I'll try to respond to e-mail. | |
16:10 | gonzalo__ | tch__, cjl, we need start to collect the information about where are the last repositories for the activituies |
16:10 | tch__, some activities moved to github | |
16:10 | tch__ | gonzalo__, can you make that inventory? |
16:11 | gonzalo__ | tch__, we can add a wiki page and start collect the information |
16:11 | tch__, i can start | |
16:11 | tch__ | gonzalo__, great! |
16:12 | icarito | i'll do some research on alternatives to pootle workflow so that translation efforts don't depend on pootle |
16:14 | tch__ | icarito, sounds good, lets try to avoid this situation in the future haha |
16:14 | gtg now, | |
16:15 | thanks everyone for coming! | |
16:15 | gonzalo__ | tch__, next Friday meeting to continue? |
16:26 | tch__ | gonzalo__, +1 |
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17:02 | bernie | is back |
17:02 | in case you still have questions... | |
17:04 | tch__: can you please verify that you can ssh into all the VMs involved? | |
17:04 | tch__: that would be newpootle and freedom | |
17:06 | gonzalo__: about where the activities git repos are, shouldn't each activity have a link to the source in aslo? | |
17:06 | gonzalo__: some (most?) activities also have a wiki page | |
17:07 | gonzalo__: maybe we can organize and update the existing information so it's easy to scrape and compose the list of repositories for pootle | |
17:07 | gonzalo__: pushing to github or gitorious should be the same for pootle. | |
17:16 | gonzalo__ | bernie, yes, we need some way to have the information |
17:18 | bernie, i don't see a place to put the sources repository in aslo | |
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