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00:01 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Hello! |
00:01 | walterbender | hi |
00:01 | cjl, still here? | |
00:01 | ClaudiaU_, ? | |
00:01 | CanoeBerry, ? | |
00:02 | gonzalo has gone missing. hope everything is OK | |
00:02 | (I was expecting him at a different meeting 30 minutes ago) | |
00:03 | sdanielf | opens IRC one hour before to avoid getting confused with timezones |
00:03 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Ah. *Ok. |
00:03 | Claudia <Claudia!~webchat![]() |
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00:04 | walterbender | It is 8PM in Boston now; 9PM in .UY? |
00:04 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If, the hours sometimes confuse... |
00:04 | walterbender | ok. Claudia is here :) |
00:04 | we can begin | |
00:04 | Claudia | hello |
00:04 | walterbender | #start-meeting |
00:04 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 00:04:25 2014 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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00:04 | <J_M_Garcia-es> If, 9*PM in Uruguay. | |
00:04 | <J_M_Garcia-es> Hello! | |
00:04 | walterbender | welcome everyone |
00:05 | a few things before we get started | |
00:05 | (1) our devel team released Sugar 102 this week | |
00:05 | Claudia | nice |
00:05 | walterbender | it is a significant improvement over previous releases |
00:06 | most of the effort went into bug fixes | |
00:06 | so it should be much more stable | |
00:06 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Excellent! |
00:06 | walterbender | the detailed release notes are at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.102/Notes |
00:06 | Martin Abente did the release | |
00:07 | As you can see, Gonzalo Odiard carried much of the load | |
00:07 | sdanielf | So we can say we have solved all problems with html5 and gtk3 |
00:07 | walterbender | but also, it is significant because we had many new contributors |
00:07 | and I think a record number of patches | |
00:08 | the new contributors tend to be from our youth participants | |
00:08 | Claudia | congrats!!!!! |
00:08 | walterbender | the very group we want to attract |
00:08 | so I am very pleased | |
00:08 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If! Excellent! |
00:09 | walterbender | most of the new features came from them |
00:10 | and many bug fixes too | |
00:10 | (2) that said, we did have some difficulties | |
00:10 | our former release manager, Daniel Narveaz, has gone quiet for 1 month | |
00:10 | I have reached out to him, but have heard nothing | |
00:10 | not his usual behavior | |
00:10 | so I am concerned for him | |
00:11 | cjl | still here |
00:12 | Claudia | where is he? |
00:12 | walterbender | Claudia, last I knew, Italy |
00:12 | sdanielf | When you say "our former release manager", do you mean he was already replaced? |
00:13 | walterbender | tch has stepped in as interim release manager |
00:13 | because we needed to get 102 out. | |
00:13 | it was late | |
00:13 | Claudia | wasn't he a mentor for the google program? |
00:13 | walterbender | he is a mentor |
00:13 | I have been co-mentor of his student | |
00:14 | Claudia | is the quiet there too? |
00:14 | walterbender | in addition to Daniel, the other concern I have is general sysadmin support |
00:14 | bernie is overworked at his day job | |
00:14 | we need to recruit more help (as cjl can attest) | |
00:15 | cjl | yes |
00:15 | walterbender | and my final concern is the lack of input from the deployments |
00:15 | Sugar 102 was almost entirely driven by AU | |
00:15 | little input from UY | |
00:16 | no input from any other deployment | |
00:16 | so... | |
00:16 | sdanielf | For your first point, I'm only informed about the visual face of the sysadmin: Creation of accounts |
00:17 | walterbender | sdanielf, lots of other issues: for example, pootle has been down for two weeks |
00:17 | Claudia | we know very little from deployments |
00:17 | walterbender | we have an opportunity with Sugar 104 to reach out to the needs of the deployments |
00:17 | we need to be aggressive, I think | |
00:18 | one except to the lack of involvement has been the school server project, that many of the small deployments are involved in | |
00:18 | sdanielf | I have very few news about Sugar deployments in .UY too. Ceibal is doing a big effort in Classmates and Android-XO Tablet |
00:18 | walterbender | but NI, PE, RW, and UY need to be as active as AU |
00:19 | sdanielf, what OS on Classmate? | |
00:19 | sdanielf | walterbender, Ubuntu AFAICT |
00:19 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> In Uruguay the effort by *Classmate is for average, no for primary school... |
00:20 | <J_M_Garcia-es> And the *XO *tablet has lost the last bidding, by what the deployment will be with another model... | |
00:20 | walterbender | sdanielf, quidam could be a big help in getting Sugar stable in that environment |
00:20 | the Android-XO Tablet is a black hole | |
00:20 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> The *classmate comes also with *Sugar... |
00:21 | walterbender | but an old, buggy Sugar |
00:21 | gonzalo_ <gonzalo_!~gonzalo![]() |
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00:21 | walterbender | we need to do better |
00:21 | and we can do better | |
00:21 | hi gonzalo_ | |
00:21 | gonzalo_ | hello |
00:21 | sdanielf | Maybe help to package newer versions of Sugar? |
00:21 | gonzalo_ | couldn't connect |
00:21 | hi sdanielf | |
00:21 | walterbender | sdanielf, yes |
00:22 | Claudia | do we want to use the chat to announce the new release |
00:22 | walterbender | sdanielf, we also need to convince quozi to package the new Sugar with his Android for XO4 |
00:22 | Claudia | and talk to deployments about the new one? |
00:22 | walterbender | he is packaging Sugar 0,94 |
00:22 | and says he has no clients who want a newer version | |
00:22 | that is really disheartening | |
00:23 | sdanielf | walterbender, since the new release is "Stable" I hope it will be easier to convince him |
00:23 | walterbender | Claudia, I think we should make personal announcements to NI, CRC, etc. |
00:23 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, is not quozl fault, but olpc asoc interest |
00:23 | walterbender | gonzalo_, yes... I was not pointing a finger... just trying to explain |
00:23 | cjl | Can the NZ testing group help convince quozl it is ready? |
00:24 | walterbender | cjl, I think he is mostly working to meet the needs of NI |
00:24 | we need to convince the FZT people | |
00:24 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, we need prepare a image with F18 + sugar 0.102 to share and promote |
00:24 | walterbender | gonzalo_, yes |
00:25 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, do wwe have any communication with FZT people? |
00:25 | walterbender | and maybe make a glossy brochure of all the improvements |
00:25 | sdanielf | gonzalo_, How many upstream dependencies is Sugar-build clonning right now? |
00:25 | walterbender | gonzalo_, on rare occasions... never follow through |
00:25 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, yes, we need better comunication |
00:25 | sdanielf, not too much | |
00:25 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> The notes of the 0.102 are interesting! |
00:26 | gonzalo_ | but need something more useful to final users |
00:26 | sdanielf | gonzalo_, that's good. It's not easy to package software if there are dependencies which didn't arrive the distros |
00:26 | walterbender | JM, in addition, gonzalo_ and I have been doing a lot of activity work |
00:27 | CanoeBerry | Apologies i'm in 2 simulataneous meetings, but following, even if we're stuck on Sugar 0.96 in Haiti, simply b/c folks did so much work stabilizing+soup'ing up OLPC's 12.1.0 for Haiti last year. |
00:27 | Claudia | I exchanged some text with Felix from FXT |
00:28 | we may want to invite them to give us an update on their deployment | |
00:28 | gonzalo_ | CanoeBerry, we need discuss, how can work together. I did improvements on Words activities I think can be useful for you |
00:28 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, it would be really helpful to upstream (us) if we had some feedback re their efforts: what they needed to stablize and soup up |
00:28 | CanoeBerry | Most all details should be here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/HaitiOS |
00:29 | But if not I can ask George, Tim, Curt etc. | |
00:30 | gonzalo_ | guys, there are a lot of things we want and need to do, how can we help to make them a reality? |
00:30 | walterbender | CanoeBerry, can you be the go-between... it is really inefficient in the long run if there is a branch to nowhere |
00:31 | gonzalo_ | if not these meetings are only therapy |
00:31 | walterbender | gonzalo_, we need very targeted outreach to each of the deployments with an update of where we are |
00:31 | CanoeBerry | Yes, I know this same HaitiOS 0.7.x continues to be deployed all around Haiti this summer, but eventually we want something better/faster for Haiti's XO-1s that keep emerging from dark corners :-) |
00:32 | gonzalo_ | CanoeBerry, we solved some of the performance problems we had, and I hope improve a lot more with 0.104 (specifically with the journal) |
00:33 | walterbender | back to tangible actions |
00:33 | bernie | walterbender, cjl: yes, i could use some help |
00:34 | cjl | I know bernie |
00:34 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, J_M_Garcia, sdanielf, Claudia, any news about the event in UY? |
00:34 | walterbender | can we make a allocate the deployments among us for a personal outreach? |
00:34 | gonzalo_, that was going to be the next topic | |
00:34 | gonzalo_ | ok |
00:35 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> As it said yesterday, I think that the best political will be to take decisions of dates, addressees and structure... |
00:35 | <J_M_Garcia-es> And with this follow insisting in achieving bottoms. | |
00:35 | gonzalo_ | sorry, please continue |
00:35 | bernie | cjl: besides pootle, the planet is also unmaintained at the moment. |
00:36 | walterbender | maybe gonzalo_ with sdanielf and JM can make an approach to UY and PY? |
00:36 | I can try to reach out to PE | |
00:36 | Claudia, we can approach FZT together? | |
00:36 | and CO | |
00:36 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, i am in contact with Costa RIca too |
00:36 | Claudia | walterbender: yes! |
00:36 | sdanielf | walterbender: wha do you mean by approach? |
00:36 | walterbender | gonzalo_, put Claudia in the loop |
00:36 | gonzalo_ | ok! |
00:37 | walterbender | sdanielf, I think we want to say, hey: look at the shiny new Sugar: it is stable and has lots of user-demanded new features |
00:37 | we'll help you get it running in your deployment | |
00:37 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, can we agree in start next week, and prepare images to test before that? |
00:38 | sdanielf | walterbender: a press release would help a lot |
00:38 | walterbender | the best Sugar ever to bring out the best in your learners |
00:38 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> It can be interesting idea. |
00:38 | walterbender | sdanielf, I'll speak to Sean Daley |
00:38 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Although this is very centralised from *Ceibal |
00:38 | gonzalo_ | +1 for press release |
00:39 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Especially in the most technical part. |
00:39 | walterbender | JM we can put some pressure to change that |
00:39 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Press release can be interesting, and valuable... |
00:39 | sdanielf | IŽm in touch with Ceibal's development and products coordinator |
00:40 | walterbender | maybe we specifically target publications in the countries of deployments rather than our usual shotgun approach |
00:40 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Have some technical contact with the one who can speak ? My contacts are all of education... |
00:40 | <J_M_Garcia-es> Although it could test by there... | |
00:40 | walterbender | JM I think it is time that the education people have some say |
00:40 | so we should highlight the pedagogical value in the new Sugar | |
00:41 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If, I think that it does time that would have to decide. Another thing is that they decide really. |
00:41 | walterbender | and argue from that POC |
00:41 | POV | |
00:42 | gonzalo_ | walterbender, our Release Notes are long and technical. Good for us, but we need something for outsiders |
00:42 | who can work on that | |
00:42 | ? | |
00:42 | walterbender | maybe Claudia and I can take a stab at distilling the nuggets worth mentuining to teachers |
00:42 | that would be step 1... | |
00:43 | gonzalo_ | ok, I can work in prepare testing images |
00:43 | walterbender | then we approach the deployments |
00:43 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If, perhaps it can converse with the people of training, and see what can do from this side... |
00:43 | walterbender | +1 |
00:43 | a 3-pronged attack :) | |
00:43 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> That would be an excellent strategy, Gonzalo. |
00:44 | walterbender | so... we have a plan |
00:44 | Claudia | yes |
00:44 | gonzalo_ | :) |
00:44 | walterbender | Claudia, can we target writing something up early next week? |
00:44 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If |
00:45 | Claudia | yes, I have time next week |
00:45 | walterbender | OK |
00:45 | and gonzalo_ and tch are working on the builds | |
00:45 | maybe end of next week we will be ready | |
00:46 | and I will contact Sean | |
00:46 | ... | |
00:46 | next topic? | |
00:46 | gonzalo_ | then, after that we will have material to contact all the deployments |
00:46 | would be good if we share a document with who contacted who and what was the result | |
00:47 | will help in ongoing communication, and we can see who is missing | |
00:47 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> +1 |
00:47 | Claudia | +1 |
00:47 | gonzalo_ | learned today olpc fr work on a image with sugar 0.98 |
00:48 | walterbender | yes... |
00:48 | very frustrating | |
00:48 | shall we talk about the youth summit? | |
00:48 | can we fix a date? | |
00:48 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
00:49 | walterbender | wants September |
00:49 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If. The holidays have modified ... |
00:50 | <J_M_Garcia-es> To facilitate the access here, would be good in the week of 22 September | |
00:50 | walterbender | 15 al 19 de Sept is CLEI in UY |
00:50 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> *CLEI? |
00:50 | walterbender | if we work around those dates, we could leverage some hackers in town |
00:51 | meeting | <sdanielf-es> J_M_Garcia, http://clei.org/clei2014/ |
00:51 | <J_M_Garcia-es> Ah! *Ok. | |
00:52 | walterbender | Conferencia Latinoamericana en Informática |
00:52 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> And that it was the first days of the following week is more complex? |
00:52 | <J_M_Garcia-es> Or it facilitates the one who do not superimpose ? | |
00:53 | walterbender | checks his calendar |
00:53 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> The program still is not available, but is of the 15 to the 19 |
00:54 | walterbender | 20-24? |
00:54 | as a window? | |
00:54 | or the youth summit could overlap | |
00:54 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If... |
00:54 | walterbender | needs to be in Boston on the 26th -- my mother's 85th birthday |
00:55 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> ;) |
00:55 | walterbender | it would be great to actually pick some dates |
00:55 | and start inviting people to UY | |
00:55 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> It could see with the people of the University... |
00:55 | walterbender | I've a few kids in mind I would like to bring |
00:55 | samdroid, for example | |
00:56 | and Jorge | |
00:56 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Also for the *CLEI? |
00:56 | gonzalo_ | JM, walterbender, this event is the young hackers camp, something for teachers? can you tell us more? |
00:56 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If, we had thought spaces for professors that are orienting... |
00:57 | <J_M_Garcia-es> And a day for professors and students that are not in the subject still... | |
00:57 | walterbender | we want kids, teachers, and developers together, I thought |
00:57 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Worked with the young programmers... |
00:57 | <J_M_Garcia-es> Thought in that it was of youngsters for youngsters... | |
00:57 | walterbender | but one day for the kids exclusively to define their own agenda |
00:57 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> It can be a good combination, Walter... |
00:57 | walterbender | and some "camp" hacking time for everyone |
00:58 | and maybe a Turtle Art Day too :) | |
00:58 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> ;) |
00:58 | walterbender | thinks the whole world is a turtle |
00:59 | JM turtle 3D is coming along nicely :) | |
00:59 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Excellent! |
00:59 | Quozl` | can it be used to drive a 3d printer yet? ;-) |
00:59 | walterbender | Quozl`, indirectly, yes. |
00:59 | exports .obj | |
00:59 | gonzalo_ | think is a good opportunity to have face to face time for the community for planning |
01:00 | walterbender | which can be converted to stl |
01:00 | gonzalo_ | hi Quozl`! |
01:00 | PabloBaques <PabloBaques!~webchat![]() |
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01:00 | Claudia | I am a witness, walterbender thinks the world is a turtle |
01:00 | walterbender | gonzalo_, we can do many things around the event... |
01:00 | but we need to focus on the youth summit | |
01:00 | gonzalo_ | ha ha |
01:00 | ok, then we need definitions | |
01:01 | walterbender | to make sure it is not subsumed |
01:01 | gonzalo_, sdanielf wrote a nice manifesto | |
01:01 | which we need to compliment with some specifics | |
01:01 | gonzalo_ | sdanielf, where is? |
01:01 | walterbender | he has been siting on it |
01:01 | sdanielf | gonzalo_, Will send you a copy after the meeting |
01:02 | walterbender | sdanielf, send it to all of SLOBs please. |
01:02 | gonzalo_ | sdanielf, please send to slobs |
01:02 | sdanielf | of course |
01:02 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> +1 |
01:02 | sdanielf | needs to join mails |
01:02 | Claudia | +1 |
01:02 | walterbender | gonzalo_ and I spend too much time together these days :) |
01:02 | gonzalo_ | and you are happy of course :) |
01:03 | walterbender | always |
01:03 | gonzalo_ | we need do good use of the time in UY |
01:03 | walterbender | esp. when NL gets crushed by AR tomorrow |
01:04 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> ;) |
01:04 | walterbender | if we fix the youth summit we can work everything else around it |
01:04 | gonzalo_ | the more expensive thing for is is travel expenses, then if we can put how many of us in MVD, would be great |
01:05 | walterbender | gonzalo_, we will do whatever we can |
01:05 | but we need to have the event no matter what as an example to others what the kids can and will do | |
01:06 | Sept is soon... so we need to decide soon and get planning | |
01:07 | Claudia | agree |
01:07 | my sept is already complicated | |
01:07 | gonzalo_ | +1 |
01:07 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If. *Habiamos *plateado 3 days for the summit, 2 for spaces of the programmers, and one opened to attract more follower. |
01:08 | <J_M_Garcia-es> That problem Claudia! | |
01:08 | <J_M_Garcia-es> If we add day of the *tortugarte... | |
01:08 | walterbender | can I leave an action to JM and sdanielf to follow up in the next week about fixing the date? |
01:08 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
01:08 | walterbender | we can work everything else around it |
01:08 | Claudia | ok |
01:09 | I have to go now... | |
01:09 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> I also... |
01:10 | gonzalo_ | ok, how the dates are decided? |
01:10 | or who will decide it? | |
01:10 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> *Porponemos In brief... |
01:10 | <J_M_Garcia-es> In principle between the 22 and the 24 | |
01:11 | <J_M_Garcia-es> It seems them? | |
01:11 | gonzalo_ | 3 days? |
01:11 | walterbender | wonders about the weekend??? |
01:11 | Quozl` | gonzalo_: (sorry to be late to meeting, and ask for a rewind, but ...) re recent sugar on olpc os, if you could contribute the necessary changes then i'm quite willing to begin such a development, but my investing in the time required without encouragement from olpc is risky. |
01:11 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Free weekend! |
01:11 | walterbender | might be better for students? |
01:12 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If... |
01:12 | <J_M_Garcia-es> And for the professors... | |
01:12 | Claudia | I was invited to Campus Party in Ecuador.. Sept 18 to 21 |
01:12 | gonzalo_ | weekend will be better for teachers and students |
01:13 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> In *UY have holidays this week... |
01:13 | walterbender | which days are holidays? |
01:13 | gonzalo_ | Quozl`, lets talk about how do it |
01:14 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Perhaps weekend for the programmers, and the open Monday |
01:14 | walterbender | Claudia, like Spring Break in MX? :) |
01:14 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> The holidays are of the 22 to the 27 |
01:14 | walterbender | so lets do the weekend before: 20, 21, 22? |
01:15 | gonzalo_ | JM only for schools? |
01:15 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> No, for Average... |
01:15 | <J_M_Garcia-es> Half school, teenage. | |
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01:15 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Elementary school only 22 and 23 |
01:16 | Claudia | JM¿Middle schools? |
01:16 | walterbender | sdanielf, would your hacker friends be available on a holiday? |
01:16 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> Secondary |
01:16 | sdanielf | walterbender, I hope so |
01:17 | walterbender | then it seems we could do something like 20 for kids only; 21 for teachers; 22--- for Sugar sprint? |
01:17 | I put the kids first so that they can organize what to share with everyone else | |
01:17 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> If it is Sunday for the professors, in *UY does not move anybody... |
01:18 | sdanielf | btw: which day is the SFD? |
01:18 | walterbender | no se |
01:19 | sdanielf | walterbender, if it matches, Saturday must be open to the community |
01:19 | walterbender | sdanielf, OK |
01:19 | all the better... | |
01:20 | since teachers won't work on Sunday, we give that to the kids | |
01:20 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> ;) |
01:20 | <J_M_Garcia-es> I have to go me... | |
01:21 | Claudia | JM.. best of luck tomorrow and congrats in advance |
01:21 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> *Segimos By mail? |
01:21 | walterbender | needs to go to... |
01:21 | everyone has their work to do | |
01:21 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
01:21 | walterbender | I will nag everyone next week :) |
01:22 | thanks all | |
01:22 | 7 | |
01:22 | Claudia | 6 |
01:22 | sdanielf | 5 |
01:22 | meeting | <J_M_Garcia-es> 4 |
01:22 | CanoeBerry | 3 |
01:23 | walterbender | cjl - 2 |
01:23 | gonzalo_ | 1 |
01:23 | walterbender | #end-meeting |
01:23 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 01:23:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
01:23 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-09T00:04:25.html | |
01:23 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]14-07-09T00:04:25 | |
01:24 | sdanielf | thanks walterbender for chairing the meeting |
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01:24 | walterbender | sdanielf, glad you could join us :) |
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