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22:03 | walterbender | manuq: ping |
22:03 | manuq | hi walterbender |
22:03 | walterbender | shall we start the design meeting? |
22:03 | manuq | walterbender, sure, you chair? |
22:04 | walterbender | sorry I am a few minutes late -- was editing the wiki |
22:04 | why don't you chair | |
22:04 | manuq | walterbender, no worries, let's ping the others |
22:04 | walterbender | we seemed to have lost gonzalo mid-day today :P |
22:06 | manuq | walterbender, ok, let's give a few minutes and then start |
22:06 | walterbender | OK |
22:08 | manuq | prepares mate |
22:08 | walterbender | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]nuary/046611.html |
22:13 | IgnacioSleep is now known as Ignacio` | |
22:13 | Ignacio` | Hi all |
22:14 | manuq | hola Ignacio` |
22:14 | Ignacio` | Estaba sin internet, :S |
22:14 | walterbender | hi Ignacio` |
22:14 | Ignacio` | walterbender, :) |
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22:17 | Ignacio` | so, start? |
22:17 | manuq | yes Ignacio` walterbender let's start |
22:18 | #startmeeting | |
22:18 | meeting_ | Meeting started Tue Jan 7 22:18:04 2014 UTC. The chair is manuq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
22:18 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
22:18 | manuq | walterbender, let's go with your list |
22:19 | #topic Mic volume Emil Dudev | |
22:19 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]nuary/046608.html | |
22:19 | walterbender | this feature was at the request of OLPC AU |
22:19 | manuq | walterbender, is a nice one |
22:19 | walterbender | yes. |
22:19 | manuq | I gave feedback today |
22:19 | walterbender | I agree... it should all be under the speaker button on the Frame |
22:20 | manuq | walterbender, great, yes, frame space is valuable |
22:20 | so, same palette as speaker | |
22:20 | walterbender | I gave him the microphone icon... but I forgot that I had made one for Measure too. I'll look into it |
22:20 | Ignacio` | I like to add it in speaker palette |
22:20 | manuq | Ignacio`, great |
22:21 | Ignacio` | I think is more easy for users |
22:21 | manuq | walterbender, which one you gave to him? |
22:21 | Ignacio`, +1 | |
22:21 | Ignacio` | walterbender, what do you think? |
22:22 | Quozl` <Quozl`!~quozl![]() |
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22:22 | walterbender | I don't recall.. one I made. |
22:22 | manuq: I'll find it and send it to you to comment on | |
22:22 | manuq | I think the Measure mic icon is fine, BTW I can take care of the icon |
22:22 | next! | |
22:22 | #topic View Source paths Emil Dudev | |
22:23 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046528.html | |
22:23 | seems a second try of Emil that consider my observations on another pull request | |
22:23 | I need to test his patch | |
22:23 | sorry but that email never reached my inbox | |
22:24 | has anyone tried it? | |
22:24 | Ignacio` | No :S |
22:24 | walterbender | I tried it... |
22:25 | manuq | walterbender, thoughts? |
22:26 | walterbender | i like it... |
22:26 | manuq | walterbender, fine, I'll give it a try after the meeting and send my comments by email |
22:26 | walterbender | it is simple and useful |
22:27 | manuq | walterbender, excellent, I think we all want that enhacement |
22:27 | next | |
22:27 | #topic Add style.MENU_WIDTH_CHARS Ignacio Rodríguez | |
22:27 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046511.html | |
22:27 | I'm fine with that refactor Ignacio` | |
22:27 | sent my thoughts by email today | |
22:27 | Ignacio` | I see your comments |
22:28 | Yes, I made patch later | |
22:28 | #action Ignacio made patch :P | |
22:28 | manuq | great |
22:28 | #topic Add prelight to frame icons Ignacio Rodríguez | |
22:28 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046504.html | |
22:28 | wow Ignacio` you worked hard | |
22:28 | Ignacio` | I see your comments too. |
22:29 | :) | |
22:29 | (61 tasks xD) | |
22:29 | I haven't sugar-build now | |
22:29 | I can make the patch but no tests :S | |
22:29 | manuq | #action Ignacio` to move the pulsing icon to toolkit |
22:29 | Ignacio`, oh I see, no worries, can be done later, we can wait | |
22:29 | Ignacio` | sure |
22:30 | thx :) | |
22:30 | manuq | thanks to you |
22:30 | Ignacio` | so, next? :) |
22:30 | manuq | #topic Enhancement: Add description in Journal Palette Ignacio Rodríguez |
22:30 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046484.html | |
22:30 | Ignacio` | See your comments too :P |
22:30 | walterbender | I really like this feature |
22:30 | Ignacio` | I need some help of walterbender :) |
22:30 | walterbender | Ignacio`: I will help |
22:30 | manuq | walterbender, me too, makes the description visible |
22:30 | Ignacio` | thx :) |
22:31 | manuq | so my thoughs: |
22:31 | - multiline, three or two lines | |
22:31 | - ellipsize end | |
22:31 | - don't show that box if there is no description | |
22:31 | walterbender | +1 to all three |
22:31 | manuq | - don't change the palette width |
22:31 | Ignacio` | manuq, I don't show it |
22:31 | bernie | lurks |
22:31 | manuq | hey bernie |
22:32 | ok so we have an agreement? Ignacio` maybe the multiline is a hard one | |
22:33 | ChristophD | also lurks |
22:33 | Ignacio` | Yes, I need the walterbender help! :) |
22:33 | walterbender | I think we can do multiline (I think 2 is OK) |
22:33 | manuq | walterbender, great |
22:33 | +1 | |
22:33 | #topic Fix vertical portrait mode in CP Sections Ignacio Rodríguez | |
22:33 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046383.html | |
22:33 | I haven't tried your patch yet, Ignacio | |
22:34 | I want to do it in the XO, so I'll flash the latest AU build | |
22:34 | walterbender | we'll need to do some work on it if/when I land the gender/age patch to the about me section |
22:35 | manuq | walterbender, is that patch around already? |
22:35 | walterbender | manuq: Ignacio`s patch doesn't work with the AU build since it has my gender/age work included |
22:35 | manuq: that patch is around/reviewed by dnarvaez | |
22:35 | manuq | walterbender, oh I got it now |
22:35 | walterbender | I need to convert everything to Gtk.Grid |
22:35 | as per his request | |
22:36 | but we also need signoff by the design team for the general idea/.design | |
22:36 | manuq | walterbender, yes, we should start using Grid to avoid headaches |
22:36 | walterbender | manuq: maybe look at it on the AU build and let me know if you have suggetions |
22:36 | Ignacio` | #action Need to merge changes with walterbender patch |
22:36 | walterbender | manuq: once we decide one way or another about that patch, then I can work with ignacio to merge his patch |
22:37 | manuq | walterbender, Ignacio` fine with me |
22:37 | walterbender | manuq: but you should review the age/gender patch from the design POV |
22:38 | likes the icons | |
22:38 | manuq | walterbender, absolutely, I saw it in the intro screen and liked it very much |
22:38 | Ignacio` | Sorry, I restarted my connection.. |
22:38 | manuq | walterbender, you should ask the AU designer to join us! |
22:38 | walterbender | just FYI, we have a few situations where we take advantage of the age field: for Journal Share and a new Training activity I am working on |
22:39 | manuq: I'll try | |
22:40 | manuq | walterbender, do you think the current graphics are a bit too specific to AU culture? |
22:40 | walterbender | manuq: not sure... |
22:40 | Ignacio` | (Sorry, what topic just now?) |
22:40 | manuq | walterbender, the clothing for example |
22:40 | walterbender | manuq: we could make it more generic, I suppose |
22:41 | manuq | maybe they can be more abstract, yes |
22:41 | walterbender | the main thing is the size increases |
22:41 | manuq | walterbender, yes |
22:41 | walterbender | manuq: we can work on the graphics in parallel with the patch |
22:41 | manuq | Ignacio`, still discussing the Gender feature |
22:41 | Ignacio` | ok |
22:41 | why this not landed to master? | |
22:42 | manuq | walterbender, sure, or start with those graphics and improve later |
22:42 | walterbender | Ignacio`: we needed to have a design review before landing |
22:42 | Ignacio` | As user, I think this are ok |
22:42 | walterbender | and I need to convert everything to use grid |
22:42 | (and gsettings) | |
22:42 | manuq | #action manuq to design review Gender feature |
22:42 | Ignacio` | about grid, I can help you :) |
22:42 | walterbender | and I need to write a test |
22:43 | Ignacio`: help much appreciated | |
22:43 | Ignacio` | ;) |
22:43 | manuq | #topic Change order of clipboard Ignacio Rodríguez |
22:43 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046352.html | |
22:43 | walterbender | I don't feel strongly about this |
22:43 | manuq | I gave my -1 to this one, and closed the ticket |
22:43 | Ignacio` | I think the current clipboard are ok |
22:44 | Yes me too: -1 :P | |
22:44 | walterbender | OK |
22:44 | manuq | because the reporter doesn't argue why this is an improvement |
22:44 | over the current situation | |
22:44 | sorry Ignacio` | |
22:44 | Ignacio` | manuq, no problem |
22:44 | manuq | #topic (View Source) Enhancements for Duplicate function Ignacio Rodríguez |
22:45 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046347.html | |
22:45 | walterbender | these are good |
22:45 | manuq | yes! |
22:45 | Ignacio` | I see few comments from manuq |
22:45 | I think the comments are ok | |
22:45 | manuq | yes, they were |
22:45 | - needs the busy cursor while copying, not in the confirmation alert | |
22:45 | - optional, add a cancel button while copying | |
22:45 | Ignacio` | about ^ the cancel button |
22:46 | I think this aren't needed | |
22:46 | You get a "confirmation" alert first | |
22:46 | walterbender, what do you think? | |
22:46 | manuq | Ignacio`, true, BTW if this is going to take some time, a Cancel button is fine, but as I said totally optional from my side |
22:47 | walterbender | I think that once you confirm to duplicate we don't need to cancel. |
22:47 | you can always delete from the ListView | |
22:47 | Ignacio` | Yes :) |
22:47 | manuq | walterbender, yes |
22:47 | ok, for me the Cancel is just a detail, so fine with me | |
22:48 | let's move on | |
22:48 | #topic Improved icon design (document-open) Ignacio Rodríguez | |
22:48 | Ignacio` | merged to master |
22:48 | walterbender | :) |
22:48 | manuq | yes! |
22:48 | #topic Network view refresh button Emil Dudev | |
22:48 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046350.html | |
22:49 | couldn't this be solved without requiring the user intervention? | |
22:49 | walterbender | I am not sure I agree that automating it is OK |
22:49 | manuq | walterbender, please argue |
22:49 | Ignacio` | I think you don't need refresh button :P |
22:49 | walterbender | well, we don't understand the root causes |
22:49 | Ignacio` | The users can wait |
22:49 | walterbender | so we don't know when the system gets messed up |
22:49 | manuq | walterbender, right |
22:49 | walterbender | it is not always just lose of connection |
22:50 | it seems to happen for many reasons | |
22:50 | so I think we need a manual mechanism | |
22:50 | RafaelCordano <RafaelCordano!~webchat![]() |
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22:50 | walterbender | then the question is where to put it |
22:50 | manuq | my main concern is that, with adding a Refresh button we are hidding the real problem forever |
22:50 | RafaelCordano | hello |
22:50 | Ignacio` | RafaelCordano, hi |
22:50 | manuq | hi RafaelCordano |
22:51 | walterbender | manuq: yes, but as I argued in the discussion thread, the problems have gone unaddressed for 4+ years |
22:51 | RafaelCordano | at what time starts the meeting? |
22:51 | walterbender | 51 minutes ago |
22:51 | manuq: it is a bad situation for our users | |
22:52 | RafaelCordano | why? |
22:52 | walterbender | manuq: I also think the place for the refresh is on the view toolbar, not hidden under the network icon for the frame |
22:52 | manuq | walterbender, ok, yes I understand |
22:52 | walterbender | because it is not about the connection, it is about the view |
22:52 | synchronization problems with Jabber et al. | |
22:52 | not with the access point | |
22:53 | manuq | walterbender, all three zoom views? |
22:53 | walterbender | just neighborhood (and group/friends) |
22:53 | Ignacio` | about friends view, it's really used? :P |
22:54 | walterbender | Ignacio`: no... but we should talk in a separate discussion about how to better utilize both views |
22:54 | manuq | walterbender, so let me understand this a bit more.. |
22:54 | walterbender | I think we can make both views more useful |
22:54 | RafaelCordano | what are the threads to talk in this meeting? |
22:54 | manuq | walterbender, when these issues happen, what does the user see? no buddies in those views? |
22:54 | Ignacio` | RafaelCordano, all design emails of GCI |
22:55 | so, what action in this case? | |
22:55 | walterbender | manuq: no buddies, stale buddies, old buddies, lots of weirdness |
22:56 | the wrong shared activities... | |
22:56 | manuq | walterbender, yeah, ok |
22:56 | walterbender | whenever the jabber server connection gets out of sync |
22:56 | which in telepathy, happens a lot | |
22:56 | especially on a crowded server | |
22:57 | also, when the server has too many connections, you only see a subset | |
22:57 | a refresh would give you a new subset | |
22:57 | lots of reasons to refresh :P | |
22:57 | manuq | ok walterbender , then Emil's solution is what we can do now, let's go with it |
22:58 | walterbender, and I see now, the button belongs to the views, not the network palette | |
22:58 | walterbender | manuq: in a different patch, Ignacio began experimenting with some interesting new ways to organize the neighborhood view |
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22:58 | walterbender | we should touch on those at some point too |
22:59 | manuq | ok! |
22:59 | #topic Color-Coded Devices Ignacio Rodríguez | |
22:59 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046327.html | |
22:59 | Ignacio` | I think this are a good feature :) |
22:59 | manuq | another nice one |
22:59 | walterbender | +1 |
23:00 | Ignacio` | So, I need to make a pull request |
23:00 | manuq | we'll wait your pull request Ignacio` |
23:00 | yes | |
23:00 | Ignacio` | sure |
23:00 | Tch__ <Tch__!~webchat![]() |
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23:00 | Ignacio` | no discusion on this patch? |
23:00 | *discussion | |
23:00 | manuq | Ignacio`, I haven't looked at the patch yet, just did a design review |
23:01 | Ignacio` | ok |
23:01 | walterbender, you tested it? | |
23:01 | walterbender | yes |
23:01 | Ignacio` | It's works fine for me :) |
23:01 | walterbender | and I think the algorithm is adequate for generating the colors |
23:01 | Ignacio` | So, I make a pull request |
23:01 | and if this ok I merge it | |
23:02 | manuq | walterbender, Ignacio` so the idea is that the same device gets the same color each time it is mounted? |
23:02 | walterbender | manuq: yes |
23:02 | Ignacio` | manuq, yes :) |
23:02 | manuq | great! |
23:02 | walterbender | but each device gets different colors |
23:02 | just like accesspoints | |
23:02 | manuq | of course |
23:02 | #topic Journal time filter | |
23:02 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046288.html | |
23:03 | ideally the user should be handling two brackets [ ] in a timeline :) | |
23:03 | but that would require a custom widget | |
23:03 | maybe leave it for Jounal Web :) | |
23:03 | in the current patch, I think a ComboBox suits better | |
23:03 | Tch__ | appears |
23:03 | manuq | hey Tch__ |
23:03 | Ignacio` | Tch__, hi |
23:04 | walterbender | manuq: this is a long-requested-by-me feature (since 2007) but I can wait longer :) |
23:04 | Tch__ | Good to see you :) |
23:04 | walterbender | Tch__: hi |
23:04 | Tch__: you see my emails/messages? | |
23:04 | RafaelCordano | hello Tch__ |
23:05 | manuq | Tch__, good to see you as well, we are in the middle of the meeting |
23:05 | Tch__ | Not yet, stuck away from my laptop atm |
23:05 | walterbender | manuq: let's put a hold on this feature... I agree: two brackets |
23:06 | and a solution that uses palettes instead of combo boxes | |
23:07 | Tch__ | Just borrowed a second cellphone to join theeetog actually hehe |
23:07 | walterbender | want to ban comboboxes from Sugar :P |
23:07 | Ignacio` | haha |
23:07 | walterbender | (and sliders) |
23:07 | ugh | |
23:08 | RafaelCordano | scuse me, but I think that Sugar Web must be documented completly |
23:08 | manuq | walterbender, yes, I think a timeline widget with a range selection would be best |
23:08 | ok, so let's move on? | |
23:09 | Ignacio` | next topic? |
23:09 | manuq | #topic Change button text in intro screen Ignacio Rodríguez |
23:09 | #link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/046279.html | |
23:09 | walterbender | manuq: OK... but we need to design it |
23:09 | and it needs to be very simple | |
23:09 | ok | |
23:09 | #action design a timeline widget | |
23:10 | I don't feel strongly but this needs to change if/when we land age/gender | |
23:10 | Ignacio` | I think the current design is ok |
23:10 | so -1 from me | |
23:10 | walterbender | I do think that since we know what is next or previous, we may as well use those data on the button... but I am willing to defer |
23:11 | manuq | sorry, we are confusing topics |
23:11 | Ignacio` | manuq, I think walterbender have lag :P |
23:11 | walterbender | I had a lag with my #action |
23:11 | manuq | ok! |
23:12 | walterbender | manuq: you seemed to not like this feature... |
23:12 | manuq | walterbender, Ignacio` what about removing the text of those buttons, and have just < and > icons? |
23:12 | Ignacio` | oh |
23:12 | I like more < and > | |
23:12 | or maybe Gtk.Arrow | |
23:13 | walterbender | do we switch them in RTL? |
23:13 | RafaelCordano | what is RTL? |
23:13 | walterbender | Right to Left vs Left to Right |
23:13 | manuq | walterbender, good idea |
23:13 | Ignacio` | I don't understand :S |
23:14 | manuq | Ignacio`, RafaelCordano there are languages that are written from right to left |
23:14 | and read | |
23:15 | Ignacio` | > and < ? |
23:16 | meeting_ | <Ignacio`-es> I follow without understanding :*S |
23:16 | Ignacio` | So, the action is: Change the button texts to "<" and ">"? |
23:16 | (I like to add: Gtk.Arrow) | |
23:16 | walterbender | I don't agree |
23:16 | Ignacio` | walterbender, what do you think? |
23:16 | RafaelCordano | Bye, I must take a shower and then I'll coming |
23:17 | walterbender | because of the RTL issue, <> are not enough information |
23:17 | Ignacio` | RafaelCordano, ttyl. |
23:17 | RafaelCordano | what is ttyl? |
23:17 | Ignacio` | talk to you later |
23:17 | RafaelCordano | ok |
23:17 | ttyl | |
23:18 | Ignacio` | manuq, me podes explicar? :S |
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23:18 | walterbender | Ignacio`: if you read from right to left, then you think that < is next |
23:18 | if you read from left to right, then you think > is next | |
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23:18 | Ignacio` | Yes I think > is next |
23:19 | and < is forward | |
23:19 | So, what are the action? | |
23:19 | walterbender | I think we wait until after the gender patch lands and reassess. |
23:20 | Ignacio` | Sure :P |
23:20 | manuq go off? :S | |
23:20 | walterbender | with just two choices: nick and colo, it is less critcal, but with four it is a bigger decision |
23:20 | Ignacio` | Yes.. |
23:20 | walterbender | I think we will want to add the names but I will wait |
23:21 | needs to leave in about 15 minutes | |
23:21 | Ignacio` | ok |
23:21 | walterbender | but we need manuq :) |
23:21 | Ignacio` | yes :P |
23:21 | Tch__ <Tch__!~webchat![]() |
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23:23 | walterbender | Ignacio`: at least we made our way through much of the list :) |
23:23 | Ignacio`: tomorrow, I will try to work on the About Me patch | |
23:23 | I was busy with other things today :P | |
23:24 | Ignacio` | port it to grid? |
23:24 | walterbender | yes |
23:24 | Ignacio` | I help you tomorrow |
23:24 | walterbender | and the test and gsettings |
23:24 | OK | |
23:24 | Ignacio` | Can you do the gsettings? :P |
23:24 | walterbender | yes |
23:24 | and the unit test | |
23:24 | Ignacio` | Good! :) |
23:25 | walterbender | maybe we can land the rest of the patches approved ^^ too |
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23:25 | Ignacio` | ok |
23:25 | when the meeting finish I work on this | |
23:25 | manuq <manuq!~manuq![]() |
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23:25 | Ignacio` | manuq, back :P |
23:25 | manuq | sorry, my irc client cheated me |
23:26 | Ignacio`, what was the last line you got from me? | |
23:26 | Ignacio` | <manuq> Ignacio`, RafaelCordano there are languages that are written from right to left |
23:26 | <manuq> and read | |
23:26 | manuq | walterbender, still here? sorry |
23:26 | so, I think the Intro is more like a wizard, so changing "Back" to "Change nickname" would make it confusing | |
23:27 | in a wizard, you pass screen after screen until you finish | |
23:27 | so for me, the current "Back" and "Next" are fine | |
23:27 | ok, walterbender said he is willing to defer, anyone else wants to argue for or against this proposal? | |
23:27 | a. change the buttons texts for more specific screen names | |
23:27 | b. leave as they are now | |
23:27 | c. remove the texts and use the icons directly | |
23:27 | ?? | |
23:27 | Ignacio` | I like c :) |
23:28 | manuq | Ignacio`, I like c. too, the buttons should be large enough |
23:28 | Ignacio` | maybe |
23:28 | 55x55 ? | |
23:28 | something like the toolbar icons? | |
23:28 | manuq | Ignacio`, yeah |
23:28 | Ignacio` | so |
23:28 | walterbender, what do you think? | |
23:29 | Tch__ | C sounds consistent, if i get vote too ;) |
23:29 | Ignacio` | backs in two minutes |
23:29 | manuq | ok! C won |
23:30 | we are losing our audience, let's schedule another meeting with the pending topics for next week | |
23:30 | thanks everyone! | |
23:30 | #endmeeting | |
23:30 | meeting_ | Meeting ended Tue Jan 7 23:30:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
23:30 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-07T22:18:04.html | |
23:30 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]14-01-07T22:18:04 | |
23:30 | Ignacio` | oh ok |
23:31 | so | |
23:31 | I back to work tomorrow :P | |
23:31 | manuq | gracias Ignacio` ! |
23:31 | Ignacio` | denada :) |
23:31 | walterbender | manuq: thanks |
23:31 | lots of progress | |
23:31 | to be continued :) | |
23:31 | manuq | walterbender, yess! |
23:38 | Ignacio` | well, good job guys :) |
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23:54 | meeting_ | * Ignacio`-es has left ("Leaving") |
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