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21:22 | Rachel | Walter it's Rachel! :D |
21:22 | Rachel is now known as Guest41083 | |
21:23 | Guest41083 | Walter? |
21:23 | It's Rachel :) | |
21:23 | walterbender | Guest41083: hi |
21:23 | Guest41083: | |
21:23 | So, we should make sure we are on the same page | |
21:24 | Guest41083 | Okay, what do you mean? |
21:24 | walterbender | Guest41083: the goal is to try to pass judgement on as many of the untriaged tickets as possible |
21:24 | whether or not they are valid bugs | |
21:25 | and if so, make sure that we have a plan for dealing with them | |
21:25 | Guest41083 | how are we going to know if they are not valid or not? |
21:25 | walterbender | there are some experienced sugar developers here, so we should have a good group to work with |
21:26 | Guest41083 | ah okay. so you're saying that I don't necessarily need to know whether they are valid bugs or not? |
21:26 | walterbender | Guest41083: you don't need to know personally |
21:27 | Cerlyn <Cerlyn!~ALEIN![]() |
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21:27 | walterbender | you should organize our efforts to process these tickets: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]ed&order=priority |
21:27 | Guest41083 | okay. hey, quick question. do you know if there's any way to change my nickname on here? i had one orginally, but the server changed it for me randomly |
21:27 | walterbender | hmm |
21:28 | try using the /nick command | |
21:28 | but Rachel is probably a reserved name | |
21:29 | Guest41083 | ooo |
21:29 | Guest41083 is now known as mystery828 | |
21:29 | mystery828 | there we go. |
21:30 | OKAY EVERYONE! | |
21:30 | walterbender | mystery828: use #start-meeting |
21:30 | mystery828 | right xD |
21:31 | #start-meeting | |
21:31 | meeting | Meeting started Sun Dec 1 21:31:08 2013 UTC. The chair is mystery828. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
21:31 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
21:31 | Quozl <Quozl!~james![]() |
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21:31 | walterbender | mystery828: thanks for organizing this meeting |
21:31 | Quozl | Rachel Finger? |
21:32 | walterbender | good morning Quozl |
21:32 | mystery828 | Yea! are you James? |
21:32 | Quozl | G'day Walter. Yes, I am James. |
21:32 | mystery828 | Yay hello! :) |
21:32 | Quozl | Sorry for the delay, I was working through e-mail in sequence. ;-} |
21:32 | walterbender | gonzalo_odiard__: you here too? |
21:32 | mystery828 | It's fine! We really didn't do anything anyway |
21:33 | The thing is, it's only the three of us, I think. Unless if anyone else is going to respond... | |
21:33 | walterbender | well, let's see how much we can get done |
21:33 | Quozl | I'm worried that the meeting is small. But yes, we can at least get something done. |
21:34 | Ignacio | What is this meeting? |
21:34 | Quozl | (I have a time limit, a guest arriving in two hours) |
21:34 | mystery828 | Hey, I tried my best to get everyone. :( Everyone just kinda regarded it as spam though. |
21:34 | walterbender | mystery828: yes. unfortunate. |
21:34 | mystery828 | oh yay! another person! |
21:34 | Quozl | Ignacio: triage bug, per mailing list. |
21:34 | s/bug/bugs | |
21:34 | mystery828 | thanks Quozl |
21:34 | Ignacio | Quozl, oh the poll (spam accidently..) |
21:34 | walterbender | well, how should we organize ourselves? |
21:35 | Quozl | a possible method is to (a) decide on what triaged means, (b) assess how many bugs are in the untriaged category, (c) decide on triage process, (d) apply the process. |
21:35 | walterbender | Quozl: sounds good |
21:36 | mystery828 | I like that too |
21:36 | Quozl | re: (a). the bugs.sugarlabs.org page has a link untriaged, which is to a report where bug status is unconfirmed, component is sugar. |
21:36 | re: (b). if we use the above definition, there are 192. | |
21:36 | walterbender | +1 |
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21:37 | walterbender | re (c), I think we want to try to confirm validity |
21:37 | hopefully we'll eliminate a few | |
21:37 | Quozl | re: (c). i agree, confirm validity. i propose a process is to talk through the high priority tickets first; five of them. |
21:38 | (this talk through will get us an idea of how to proceed with the lower priority tickets). | |
21:38 | walterbender | yes... let's go highest priority to lowest, but most have no proirotiy set :P |
21:38 | mystery828 | ohh I see |
21:38 | but there are some that are already "accepted" or "assigned" | |
21:38 | Quozl | err, yes, you're right. no priority. |
21:39 | err, yes, some accepted or assigned may simply not have had their bug status properly set. | |
21:39 | walterbender | mystery828: the ones that assigned just means that someone assumed that there was a responsible maintainer |
21:39 | mystery828 | what do you mean? |
21:39 | ohhh | |
21:40 | but there may not be one | |
21:40 | Quozl | sometimes the assigned person might not feel committed to the bug. |
21:40 | i alter my proposal. review the first five high priority, then work on prioritising the ones without a priority. | |
21:41 | mystery828 | hmm, well let's take all the bugs into consideration for now. and actually I think that's a bit better. |
21:42 | walterbender | ok... shall we begin? |
21:42 | Quozl | looks at walterbender expectantly |
21:42 | mystery828 | haha I say so |
21:42 | Quozl | sure. |
21:42 | #4060 | |
21:42 | (you open up the bug and have a quick read). | |
21:42 | walterbender | 4060 seems to be verified... some work done |
21:42 | should aim for 102? | |
21:43 | Quozl | yes, i agree, set milestone to 102, set bug status to new. |
21:44 | (there's no bug status for "some work was done but no assigned maintainer at the moment", so "new" is the best.) | |
21:44 | mystery828: what do you think of #4060? | |
21:44 | (you can say you are not sure.) | |
21:45 | mystery828 | oh okay good |
21:45 | because i honestly have no idea xD | |
21:45 | Quozl | you will learn. |
21:46 | mystery828 | *hoping I don't look like a fool* |
21:46 | Quozl | if you are puzzled as to why we decided, ask. |
21:46 | mystery828 | what is a 102 anyway? |
21:46 | Cerlyn | Is the patch for 4060 in Sugar or GTK3? |
21:46 | Quozl | this task is also about you learning the process. |
21:46 | Cerlyn | if that's a GTK3 patch maybe it's already been fixed |
21:47 | mystery828 | wait, you know about the Google Code-In task? |
21:47 | Quozl | Cerlyn: can't tell, we could leave that to developer. |
21:47 | mystery828: no. | |
21:47 | mystery828: i mean about triage generally. | |
21:47 | mystery828 | oh xD haha |
21:47 | walterbender | #4170, pretty much the same deal |
21:47 | Quozl | mystery828: 102 is shorthand for a sugar version number. |
21:47 | mystery828 | Quozl: didn't mean to jump to conclusions there, whoops |
21:47 | walterbender | but a low priority |
21:48 | proposes new, 102, low priority for #4170 | |
21:48 | Quozl | i shall adjust #4060 per our decision. |
21:48 | mystery828 | yea, the owner even says in one of the comments that it doesn't hinder actual scrolling |
21:49 | walterbender | actually, I just tested and I think it is fixed |
21:51 | marking #4170 as fixed | |
21:51 | Quozl | okay, #4204 is next. |
21:51 | walterbender | will test #4204 on my XO 4 |
21:51 | mystery828 | okay. does it have something to do with a touch screen? |
21:52 | walterbender | mystery828: yes |
21:52 | mystery828 | ah, then there's no way i would be able to test it on any computer i have |
21:52 | walterbender | the OSK (on screen keyboard) only appears when the laptop is using touch |
21:52 | mystery828 | OH THAT'S WHAT IT STANDS FOR xD |
21:53 | Quozl | i confirm #4170 is fixed. |
21:53 | mystery828 | but in all seriousness, for #4204, even though the behavior is not what is expected, does it really hinder anything? |
21:54 | walterbender | no |
21:54 | I think we mark it as new, low priority | |
21:54 | mystery828 | that's what i thought. so maybe it should be a low priority? |
21:54 | yea! | |
21:54 | Quozl | i confirm #4204 still occurs. |
21:55 | i agree new, low priority. | |
21:55 | walterbender | testing #4336 |
21:56 | Quozl | mystery828: do you want to make the #4204 change? |
21:56 | walterbender | already changed it... |
21:56 | Quozl | (i wish i knew why dnarvaez changed it from new to unconfirmed.) |
21:57 | mystery828 | heehee |
21:57 | walterbender | maybe mystery828 can update #4336 |
21:57 | mystery828 | and I can make changes? how? |
21:57 | Cerlyn | Quozl: I believe he did a mass update at one point |
21:57 | Quozl | mystery828: you have an account and logged in? |
21:58 | mystery828 | oh, um, no? |
21:58 | ooh i could make one though | |
21:58 | Quozl | mystery828: yes, make one. |
21:58 | walterbender | anyone know how touch feedback works? |
21:58 | Quozl | mystery828: the bug tracking system doesn't allow changes unless user is logged in. |
21:58 | mystery828 | somewhat brb! but my input on 4336 is that it should either be a normal or low priority |
21:59 | Quozl | walterbender: i don't yet understand the bug. maybe press and hold? |
21:59 | walterbender | I think I can confirm the validity, but yes, very low priority |
21:59 | there is a new bug though: the snapshot for the bookmark has the OSK super imposed | |
22:00 | files a ticket | |
22:00 | mystery828 | Quozl: I think what it's saying is that if the owner presses the home button/key thing, it doesn't go to the home screen thing unless the owner presses on the button for along time |
22:01 | Quozl: you don't have any touch devices (iPod/iPhone, tablet), do you? | |
22:01 | Quozl | mystery828: no, i don't. |
22:02 | is the feedback the highlight of the button as a result of pressing it? | |
22:02 | walterbender | Quozl: yes |
22:02 | but some buttons flash, others don't | |
22:02 | Quozl | i think this is caused by lack of graphics queue flush. |
22:02 | walterbender | maybe something about the icon design? |
22:03 | Quozl | like i reproduce non-flash of home button on short touch, but not on long touch. |
22:03 | the difference between a short touch and a long touch is that for a short touch there is a huge burst of graphics actions immediately after. | |
22:04 | so i say new, low priority. | |
22:04 | but we digress, we should move on. | |
22:06 | mystery828 | oh right, so I should make the change to 4336 |
22:06 | Quozl | mystery828: you have logged in with account? |
22:06 | mystery828 | yea! :) |
22:06 | Quozl | mystery828: yes, try it. |
22:06 | (if you do it at the same time someone else does it, either you or the other person gets a message saying the ticket was changed since you loaded the page). | |
22:07 | (meeting can be made to go faster if one person has job of changing tickets). | |
22:07 | walterbender | just created a new ticket (for Browse) #4665 |
22:07 | Quozl | i look at #4637. |
22:08 | Cerlyn | 4637 sounds familiar but I don't know what version of Sugar the reporter used |
22:08 | Quozl | i suspect milestone field was used by mistake. |
22:08 | mystery828 | wait, did I modify it? |
22:08 | (#4336) | |
22:09 | walterbender | I can confirm this, but need to check again on recent builds |
22:09 | Quozl | #4637, as it is only a log artefact, i suggest low priority, new. |
22:10 | mystery828: #4336 has been modified only partly, please also change bug status to new. | |
22:12 | mystery828 | it's already new though...? |
22:12 | walterbender | mystery828: new vs unconfirmed vs invalid etc |
22:12 | mystery828 | duh, whoops! |
22:13 | yea yea I was looking at the wrong thing | |
22:13 | Quozl | mystery828: bug status is a different database field. |
22:13 | (the other field is ticket status). | |
22:13 | mystery828 | ooh okay thanks guys! |
22:13 | Quozl | (it is the action section of the page that controls the ticket status field). |
22:14 | back in a minute. | |
22:15 | mystery828 | okay |
22:15 | walterbender: i'm looking at the bugs that are "new" instead of "unconfirmed", and i'm confused | |
22:15 | i thought #4060 and #4204 were also low priority, but it says that they're high priority | |
22:16 | walterbender | mystery828: you should be looking at bug status Unconfirmed |
22:17 | mystery828 | i know but i was just making sure... oh okay fine I'll go back |
22:17 | Quozl | #4637, i suggest low priority, new. |
22:17 | mystery828 | ah yea sorry, on it! |
22:18 | walterbender | mystery828: if you update the query, you'll see the priority updated |
22:18 | Quozl | walterbender: do you agree on #4637? |
22:18 | walterbender | Quozl: yes... low priorityu |
22:18 | but disturbing | |
22:18 | something weird going on | |
22:18 | there is a related bug ( | |
22:19 | (I'll try to find it) | |
22:19 | but they both may be fixed in the latest buid | |
22:19 | mystery828 | okay! so now what, are we going to work on the unprioritized ones? |
22:19 | walterbender | but I need to grab a second machine to test with |
22:19 | Quozl | once #4637 is updated, i propose we consider time, how long we want to go on for, and then work on the unprioritised ones. |
22:20 | mystery828 | ah, well Quozl, you have a time limit, yes? |
22:20 | Quozl | ... and try to do them a bit faster without testing every bug. ;-) |
22:20 | mystery828 | and i mean i have to eat dinner soon too :( |
22:20 | Quozl | yes, roughly one hour left for me. |
22:20 | Cerlyn | (walterbender: You're likely thinking of #3888) |
22:20 | walterbender | yeah... we can move faster... just wanted to test the high priority ones |
22:20 | mystery828 | that makes sense |
22:21 | okay, so onto the unprioritized ones! | |
22:21 | Quozl | #634 |
22:21 | (is it worth starting from the bottom or the top?) | |
22:21 | Cerlyn | the older it is, the more likely it is to be no longer valid |
22:22 | mystery828 | so then, the bottom? |
22:23 | walterbender | #4660 is the result of a GCI task |
22:23 | it is valid | |
22:24 | mystery828 | AHAHAHAHA |
22:24 | google code-in | |
22:24 | Quozl | #634, low priority, new. i propose. i have tested. i shall update. i agree, latest tickets first are more useful for this meeting. switching to #4660. |
22:24 | walterbender | #4657 is valid but I think we don't have any good way of fixing it |
22:24 | #4657 I would mark as won't fix | |
22:25 | mystery828 | okay, so leave #4657 as it is? |
22:25 | in other news, I'm not exactly sure what #4654 is talking about | |
22:26 | walterbender | I think we close it as won't fix |
22:26 | Yeah. I need to dig up the email I sent to Gonzalo | |
22:26 | but right now, I'd close with needs more info | |
22:27 | mystery828 | you're talking about #4657 or #4654? |
22:28 | walterbender | I'd close both, but for different reasons |
22:29 | #4657 -- won't fix | |
22:29 | mystery828 | close meaning "resolve as fixed"? |
22:29 | walterbender | #4654 -- need more info |
22:29 | resolve as won't fix | |
22:29 | mystery828 | ooh, for both of them? |
22:29 | Quozl | #4657, i propose using a generic icon, but i accept won |
22:29 | #4657, i propose using a generic icon, but i accept your proposal of won't fix. | |
22:30 | walterbender | Quozl: that is an interesting idea |
22:30 | but low priority | |
22:30 | could be a good GCI task | |
22:30 | Quozl | i agree low priority. software update is rarely used, and dissonance short lived. |
22:31 | walterbender | #4646 is real... and hard... and serious |
22:32 | mystery828 | walterbender: did I modify #4654 right? |
22:33 | walterbender | checks |
22:33 | re #4458, need more info | |
22:34 | mystery828 | hm? |
22:35 | and what was decided for #4657? | |
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22:35 | walterbender | #4646 needs more info |
22:35 | sorry | |
22:35 | #4654 should be needs more info | |
22:36 | mystery828 | ah, that's what i thought. and what about the priority for #4646? |
22:36 | Quozl | i have updated #4646 with my thoughts. |
22:36 | i've chosen high. | |
22:36 | walterbender | good |
22:37 | mystery828 | oh okay |
22:37 | Quozl | mystery828: my work focus is mainly on the underlying operating system on the XO, so I felt I could ignore the meeting on #4646, sorry. ;-) |
22:38 | walterbender | #4458, we need to make it as need more info |
22:40 | #4452 may be related to #4637 | |
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22:42 | Quozl | #4458, i agree, more info, i propose normal priority. |
22:43 | #4458, i have set normal priority. | |
22:43 | mystery828 | wait, i thought i did! |
22:44 | walterbender | #4449 is confirmed.. should be 102 and normal priority |
22:44 | Quozl | #4452, i have set normal priority. |
22:45 | (we are down to 182) | |
22:45 | walterbender | #4445 is confirmed |
22:46 | I think it is pretty serious as the AboutMe won't work in Portrait mode | |
22:46 | mystery828 | hm yea |
22:46 | wait, did we skip a few of the tickets though? | |
22:46 | Quozl | #4445 i agree, high priority. |
22:46 | we might have, we haven't done lock step mode. | |
22:47 | mystery828 | any other changes to #4445? |
22:47 | Quozl | (a lock step triage is where we aren't allowed to talk about the next ticket until we have finished a decision on the current ticket). |
22:47 | mystery828 | ooh, i think that's what we should do xD |
22:47 | walterbender | mystery828: I think that is all for #4445 |
22:48 | Quozl | i think we agree #4445 bug status new, priority high. |
22:48 | walterbender | #4437 seems low priorriy, new |
22:48 | Quozl | #4437 i agree, low priority, new. (i had this sort of problem with the swap activity). |
22:50 | physiological break, back in five minutes, sorry. | |
22:50 | walterbender | #4432 needs updating... both the examples are obsolete. |
22:50 | mystery828 | okay |
22:51 | walterbender: they're obsolete? meaning? | |
22:51 | walterbender | meaning that Turtle and Physics don't generate overflow palettes so the overflow button doesn't appear |
22:52 | I need to find a new activity to test | |
22:52 | but I suspect the problem is GTK 2 activities... which we won't fix | |
22:52 | I'll write something up for this ticket | |
22:55 | Quozl | i am back. |
22:55 | walterbender | #4417, I think is invalid, at least for the current version of Paint |
22:56 | tested on Paint 62 and the text palette is not overside | |
22:56 | so we should close as invalid | |
22:57 | Quozl | #4417, i agree, close as invalid. |
22:57 | walterbender | #4412 we should assign to 102, new, low |
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22:59 | Quozl | #4412, i agree, milestone 102, bug status new, priority low. |
22:59 | mystery828 | okay, i'm on both of those |
23:00 | walterbender | looking at #4397 ... I think it may have landed |
23:00 | actually, it hasn't | |
23:00 | should be marked as new | |
23:00 | and normal priority? | |
23:01 | Quozl | #4397, i agree, bug status new, priority normal. |
23:02 | walterbender | #4393 Cerlyn have any updates? |
23:03 | Cerlyn | walterbender: No |
23:04 | I haven't looked at it since though | |
23:04 | mystery828 | hmm, maybe normal or low priority? |
23:04 | Cerlyn | 4393 would be low if it still exists since WEP is being phased out |
23:05 | mystery828 | ooh okay, so low priority. everyone agree? |
23:05 | walterbender | yes |
23:06 | mystery828 | anything else? (like change bug status to new?) |
23:06 | Quozl | yes, low. |
23:07 | yes, change bug status to new. | |
23:07 | walterbender | #4387 seems like an enhancement, not a bug |
23:07 | and it seems to be in play | |
23:07 | so maybe set them to enhancement, new, normal, 102? | |
23:08 | Quozl | i agree, #4387. |
23:08 | mystery828 | okay, on it |
23:09 | is the next one #4369? | |
23:09 | walterbender | yes |
23:09 | another one for Cerlyn | |
23:10 | was just reading it | |
23:10 | mystery828 | ah |
23:10 | hey, just letting you know, i'm most likely eating dinner soon, like within 20-30 minutes? | |
23:11 | walterbender | #4329 seems nasty |
23:11 | Cerlyn | per comment 18 4369 was fixed pending upstream |
23:11 | mystery828 | (i hope! xD) |
23:11 | walterbender | mystery828: yes... I think we should schedule another meeting again soon |
23:12 | mystery828 | soon meaning later tonight, or in the near future? |
23:12 | walterbender | near future : |
23:13 | Quozl | #4369 i propose bug status needinfo, to find out if the fix made it in. |
23:15 | walterbender | Quozl: agreed |
23:16 | Quozl | i propose another meeting tomorrow same time, or next day. |
23:17 | walterbender | Quozl: I could do Tuesday/Wednesday, but not tomorrow :P |
23:17 | mystery828: wanna call it a wrap (#end-meeting) | |
23:17 | mystery828 | i can't do Tuesday at all |
23:17 | maybe Wednesday? | |
23:17 | Quozl | it is monday now, for me. ;-) |
23:17 | mystery828 | oh wait REALLY? |
23:17 | Quozl | please describe in delta time form. |
23:17 | walterbender | wed. won't work for me :) |
23:18 | Quozl | mystery828: google international date line. |
23:18 | mystery828 | wait if i end the meeting we can still chat no? |
23:18 | walterbender | thurs/fri works |
23:18 | mystery828: yes | |
23:18 | mystery828 | i say let's wait until the weekend |
23:18 | Quozl | yes, we can still chat. won't be in the log. |
23:18 | mystery828 | #end-meeting |
23:18 | meeting | Meeting ended Sun Dec 1 23:18:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
23:18 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-01T21:31:08.html | |
23:18 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]13-12-01T21:31:08 | |
23:18 | Quozl | same time next week then? |
23:19 | mystery828 | hopefully! |
23:19 | walterbender | thanks all |
23:20 | mystery828 | yea, thank you everyone! we did a lot |
23:21 | walterbender | mystery828: can you upload the link to the log to GCI? then you can mark the task as ready for review |
23:21 | mystery828 | oh yea, okay i'll do that now |
23:22 | Quozl | we are down to 173 matches in the custom query for unconfirmed. |
23:22 | mystery828 | walterbender: http://www.google-melange.com/[…]/4958634769383424 |
23:22 | Quozl: we were at what, 192 before? | |
23:22 | hey, that's not bad for three people | |
23:23 | walterbender | mystery828: you need to upload to that link |
23:23 | mystery828 | walterbender: how do i mark the task as ready for review? |
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23:23 | mystery828 | wait what? |
23:23 | OH | |
23:23 | DUH i misunderstood | |
23:23 | sorry! | |
23:24 | boom! it's there :D | |
23:27 | walterbender | and it is marked as complete |
23:27 | mystery828 | YAAAY! walter, thank you so much! you've really helped me a lot (even though most of it I could have done on my own xD) |
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