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| 17:00 | CDeLorme | hello walter |
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| 17:04 | walterbender | let's get started |
| 17:05 | #start-meeting | |
| 17:05 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Sep 6 17:05:00 2013 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 17:05 | walterbender | just to remind everyone: the summer (northern hemisphere) is coming to a close |
| 17:05 | Monday, 16 September is our soft "pencils down" date | |
| 17:06 | We require that students stop all coding on 23 September. | |
| 17:06 | (We being Google) | |
| 17:06 | Monday, 23 September at 19:00 UTC is also when final evaluations open | |
| 17:07 | evals are due by the 27th. | |
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| 17:08 | walterbender | well... shall we begin the weekly updates? |
| 17:08 | axitkhurana: want to start us off? | |
| 17:09 | axitkhurana | Sure :) |
| 17:09 | This week I wrote a python client for Moksaya's API | |
| 17:09 | https://github.com/axitkhurana/gmoksaya | |
| 17:10 | Using tch__'s grestful library | |
| 17:10 | Also, in the process, made a couple of fixes to grestful | |
| 17:10 | walterbender | tch__: any comments? |
| 17:11 | tch__ | axitkhurana: I am planning on testing it :) |
| 17:11 | walterbender | axitkhurana: are you on track for completing your project? |
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| 17:12 | axitkhurana | walterbender: I think so, next would be to use this client to integrate it as a service in social cloud. |
| 17:12 | and document the changes | |
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| 17:12 | tch__ | axitkhurana: you should definitely add some videos to the project's documentation, so show how this works |
| 17:12 | walterbender | bonjour Lionel |
| 17:13 | llaske | hi all |
| 17:13 | axitkhurana | tch__: Sure, I'll do that. |
| 17:14 | walterbender | all sounds good. thx axitkhurana |
| 17:14 | surajgillespie: you wanna report? | |
| 17:14 | surajgillespie | yup :) |
| 17:15 | Finally managed to the get the object chooser bits into sugar web. | |
| 17:15 | Although i was a bit slow on it, it was time well spent. | |
| 17:16 | It served its main purpose, i.e testing the sugar datastore api. | |
| 17:16 | Managed to unearth a few bugs in the current api. | |
| 17:16 | Here is a sample to play with, https://github.com/surajgillespie/Object-Chooser | |
| 17:17 | Also, getting my blog ready about my work over the past month. Will post a link to the group after this meeting. | |
| 17:17 | walterbender | surajgillespie: thanks for hanging in there... gettting your code upstreamed can take patience |
| 17:18 | surajgillespie | :) |
| 17:18 | As for next week, I'll try to get in the preview field bits into sugar web. | |
| 17:19 | http://html2canvas.hertzen.com/ was a suggestion put forth by Manuel, | |
| 17:19 | so we could handle the preview stuff on the JS side rather than python. | |
| 17:19 | walterbender | nice |
| 17:20 | surajgillespie | and that's pretty much it from my side |
| 17:22 | walterbender | any comments? |
| 17:22 | boredomist: wanna go next? | |
| 17:23 | CDeLorme: ? | |
| 17:24 | CDeLorme | yes |
| 17:24 | Early this week I hit an unexpected wall and the network stack is still incomplete. | |
| 17:24 | I was unable to catch incoming channels, which is a required feature since Call channels use the same catch process and are used to wrap GStreamer. | |
| 17:24 | Fortunately I have been in contact with smcv for the past three days working through this. | |
| 17:24 | My assumption that the dbus service is shared was incorrect, it looks for the first registered handler and ignores the others. | |
| 17:25 | decause | shoutout walterbender for the help connecting us |
| 17:25 | walterbender | #telepathy to the rescue? |
| 17:25 | CDeLorme | The problem is that fedora and debian have built-in clients with handlers to receive messages. |
| 17:25 | yes smcv has been on it for three days with me now | |
| 17:25 | It's not working yet, but close. | |
| 17:25 | So my system needs to override the handlers with an observer and claim the channels. I am working on testing this now, [latest test code](http://paste.fedoraproject.org/37632/37848263/). | |
| 17:25 | I plan to put in some cycles this weekend to try and finish solving this puzzle, and I will be putting together a blog post and adding all the details to the documentation. | |
| 17:26 | walterbender | CDeLorme: this sort of thing is always tricky |
| 17:26 | CDeLorme | Yeah I also have been slow to test it because it requires running two machines, sending works great. |
| 17:27 | Given the time remaining for GSOC I may have to choose between documentation of services or finished code, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Since HFOSS classes just started up I may see if there is interest there to carry on the work after GSoC is done. | |
| 17:27 | If that's the case I'd rather supply helpful documentation than a finished but rather incomprehensible final product. | |
| 17:28 | decause | CDeLorme: hopefully it doesn't come to one or the other |
| 17:28 | gonzalo_odiard_ | CDeLorme, anyway, should be good have something testeable |
| 17:28 | walterbender | even if it is not full featured |
| 17:29 | CDeLorme | I have no doubt that I can finish at least partial functionality |
| 17:30 | walterbender | great |
| 17:30 | mzepf: your turn? | |
| 17:30 | mzepf | walterbender: Yes. |
| 17:31 | I spent most of the week on the Primitives for the 'while' and 'until' blocks. | |
| 17:31 | It wasn't easy, but they work now, and they're exportable. | |
| 17:32 | I also finished transforming all 'old format' Primitives to the 'new format'. | |
| 17:32 | I.e. everything that worked and was exportable ca. 3 weeks ago works and is exportable again. | |
| 17:33 | Then I started adding new Primitives, e.g., for the 'random', 'int', 'chr', 'stop stack', 'wait', and 'sandwich clamp' blocks. | |
| 17:33 | I'm now done with the first 6 palettes from the left in TA, so there are 4 more palettes missing. | |
| 17:34 | I doubt I'll be able to make *all* blocks exportable by the end of the GSoC, | |
| 17:34 | but I'll try to cover the more important ones, especially the 'show' block. | |
| 17:35 | walterbender | mzepf: I plan to demo your project at Turtle Art Day (October 12) in Paraguay :) |
| 17:35 | mzepf | walterbender: Great! |
| 17:35 | walterbender | mzepf: and you should go to Pycon next year and demo it. |
| 17:36 | (the original idea for the project came up at Pycon last year) | |
| 17:36 | mzepf: maybe we can try to do a small pilot study to see if users can actually use it | |
| 17:37 | mzepf | walterbender: That would be great. |
| 17:37 | walterbender | mzepf: I will think about the study design |
| 17:37 | mzepf | walterbender: Oh, that reminds me I still don't have an 'export' button inside Sugar. |
| 17:38 | I only have one in the GNOME version. | |
| 17:38 | walterbender | mzepf: that is easy enough to add... just like the Logo one |
| 17:38 | I can make you an icon... | |
| 17:38 | decause | mzepf: +1 on going to PyCon |
| 17:38 | mzepf | walterbender: That would be very kind. Thanks! |
| 17:38 | decause | walterbender: have you heard anything about the EDU summit (somewhat off topic, sorry) |
| 17:39 | walterbender | decause: EduJam? |
| 17:39 | decause | PyCON EDU Summit (you keynoted last year's) |
| 17:39 | has the name changed? | |
| 17:39 | walterbender | oh... Pycon EDU |
| 17:39 | decause | I'll take that as a no :P |
| 17:40 | walterbender | to be honest, I have been so busy, I have not been paying attention |
| 17:40 | after Sugar 100 and Turtle Art Day, I will come up for air | |
| 17:40 | where is PyCON next year? | |
| 17:40 | decause | walterbender: kk. I'm going to email last year's organizers, and let them know FOSS@RIT is interested in running point if they need us |
| 17:41 | walterbender: Montreal :) :) :) | |
| 17:41 | much closer to MA/NY | |
| 17:41 | walterbender | not so far for me... |
| 17:41 | I will try to attend | |
| 17:41 | decause | hopes to be bringing van-loads of students this time |
| 17:42 | walterbender | back on topic... anyone else have anything to report this week? |
| 17:42 | decause | didn't mean to get the train off the tracks here, I'll talk to you more about it during not meeting with you walterbender |
| 17:42 | walterbender | decause: I'm the one who brought up PyCON :) |
| 17:43 | DAWacker | walterbender: ya, I have some info on badges and the Sash activity |
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| 17:44 | walterbender | well.. thanks all. |
| 17:44 | #end-meeting | |
| 17:44 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Sep 6 17:44:15 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 17:44 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T17:05:00.html | |
| 17:44 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]13-09-06T17:05:00 | |
| 17:44 | DAWacker | walterbender: :( |
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| 17:44 | DAWacker | walterbender: i have some info on badges and the Sash activity |
| 17:44 | walterbender | DAWacker: please chime in |
| 17:45 | DAWacker | ok cool |
| 17:45 | walterbender | for the record... |
| 17:45 | #start-meeting | |
| 17:45 | meeting | Meeting started Fri Sep 6 17:45:25 2013 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:45 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 17:46 | DAWacker | so a team and i over the summer developed badges for XO activites and got these badges working with two of the activites that FOSS@RIT developed, Lemonade Stand and SkyTime |
| 17:46 | walterbender | DAWacker: say more... |
| 17:46 | DAWacker | at this point, we figure badges can be awarded to any activity that has a badges/ directory filled with images as well as the badges/ library that I wrote |
| 17:47 | we orginally developed badges for Lemonade Stand but wrote a library that was imported into SkyTime and badges can be awarded there as well | |
| 17:47 | walterbender | DAWacker: where do the badges show up? |
| 17:48 | DAWacker | Sash is an activity that is used to read any information on the XO about badges and displays the badge image in a Gtk window with tooltip text about the badge (name, date received, activity awarded from, and a short description about the badge) |
| 17:49 | walterbender | DAWacker: have you thought about adding the badges to the Journal too? |
| 17:49 | gonzalo_odiard_ | DAWacker, are you using the mozilla/fedora insfrestructure for the badges? |
| 17:49 | decause | walterbender: badges are using the journal, yes :) |
| 17:49 | walterbender | decause: they are stored as metadata? |
| 17:49 | DAWacker | walterbender: yes we are using the journal for badges but it doesn't specifically say in the journal when a badge is awarded |
| 17:50 | decause | gonzalo_odiard_: we have done some research into Mozilla Open Badges integration, but as of right now, there is no way to upload to the backpack without using a browser/javascript |
| 17:50 | DAWacker | walterbender: we are using a DS object to store the metadata about badges |
| 17:50 | tch__ | we could show them at the friends view ;) |
| 17:50 | walterbender | DAWacker: be worth considering writing a Journal extension to show the badges in the detail view |
| 17:51 | DAWacker | walterbender: that would be awesome actually, it would be awesome if when you got a badge it displayed the badge image with the description there. I will look into that |
| 17:51 | walterbender | DAWacker: an object for the badges or the badges as part of each object |
| 17:51 | DAWacker | walterbender: I guess you could say Sash does something similar to that |
| 17:51 | decause | I will *definitely* be pitching this one in my HFOSS course, and I think there will be a number of students interested (95% of the class is Game Design & Development Majors) |
| 17:51 | walterbender | should be pretty easy to modify the Journal expandedentry view |
| 17:51 | gonzalo_odiard_ | looks like something we can look for sugar 102 |
| 17:51 | walterbender | +1 |
| 17:51 | decause | and since DAWacker is my TA, I think the upstream mentor will be highly available ;) |
| 17:52 | DAWacker | walterbender: each activity that supports badges creates a DS object and Sash queries those objects to retrieve information |
| 17:52 | walterbender | decause: I have also always wanted a standard way of displaying 'high scores' |
| 17:52 | gonzalo_odiard_ | decause, DAWacker, should be good if you can discuss more openly the plan, in sugar-devel and/or prepare a feture page in sugarlabs wiki |
| 17:52 | walterbender | decause: right now, some of my activities export scores to Chart |
| 17:53 | DAWacker | walterbender: Chart? |
| 17:53 | walterbender | but your students could do something more fun, like the Wii does, for example |
| 17:53 | Chart is a simple activity for plotting data | |
| 17:53 | gonzalo_odiard_ | walterbender, what do the wii? |
| 17:53 | decause | gonzalo_odiard_: duely noted. is there a regular meeting in #sug-devel we should aim for? |
| 17:53 | DAWacker | walterbender: cool |
| 17:53 | walterbender | decause: good projects for this fall |
| 17:53 | and timely for 102 | |
| 17:54 | gonzalo_odiard_ | decause, not right now, sugar-devel mailing list is the best optyion |
| 17:54 | decause | gonzalo_odiard_: kk |
| 17:54 | I'll ping the sash/lemonadestand team, see if we can't get some cycles to update the wiki | |
| 17:54 | walterbender | decause: writing up a feature page in the wiki is also good |
| 17:54 | gonzalo_odiard_ | decause, is the best way to be sure we have something we can include in the main distribution |
| 17:54 | DAWacker | decause: noted. |
| 17:55 | walterbender: i plan on writing up a page for Sash | |
| 17:55 | decause | this is our first time doing something bigger than "just a game" for sugar, so let me know what the standard procedure is for doing "feature" level stuff and we'll observe protocol :) |
| 17:56 | walterbender | decause: there are lots of examples at wiki.sl.o/go/Featrures |
| 17:56 | decause | walterbender: kk |
| 17:56 | walterbender | Features |
| 17:56 | decause | DAWacker: ^^^ |
| 17:56 | DAWacker | decause: got it |
| 17:56 | walterbender | something like this would want a design review early in the process |
| 17:56 | gonzalo_odiard_ | decause, you can look here for the procedure http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy |
| 17:56 | DAWacker | walterbender: do you mind posting a direct link? |
| 17:57 | decause | gonzalo_odiard++ |
| 17:57 | gonzalo_odiard_ | here for a template http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]/Feature_Template |
| 17:57 | DAWacker | gonzalo_odiard_: awesome, thanks! |
| 17:57 | gonzalo_odiard_ | and here for examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features |
| 17:58 | walterbender | gonzalo_odiard_: we should find a place to put features that have landed... this page is very cluttered |
| 17:58 | decause | DAWacker: we'll be adding all of this to the course website too, so don't be afraid to make some tickets on the repo |
| 17:58 | hflossk repo, that is | |
| 17:58 | DAWacker | decause: understood |
| 17:59 | walterbender | DAWacker: thanks for sharing :) |
| 17:59 | gonzalo_odiard_ | walterbender, is true |
| 17:59 | walterbender | should lead to good things |
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| 17:59 | DAWacker | walterbender: no problem! thanks for the awesome suggestions and the next steps in development :) |
| 18:00 | walterbender: its my first time doing anything at this level so it's very exciting | |
| 18:01 | walterbender | OK... anyone else? |
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| 18:01 | #end-meeting | |
| 18:01 | meeting | Meeting ended Fri Sep 6 18:01:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:01 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T17:45:25.html | |
| 18:01 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]13-09-06T17:45:25 | |
| 18:02 | decause | walterbender: we should talk about GSoC summit at some point in the near future also |
| 18:02 | I want to be sure I am faithfully representing Sugar, and would like a briefing on anything that is need-to-know | |
| 18:02 | walterbender | decause: I think you, tch__ and lionel are going |
| 18:03 | decause | :) |
| 18:03 | nice | |
| 18:03 | walterbender | I think you guys know the drill already |
| 18:03 | decause | I got my confirmation yesterday, and my hotel/flight are set |
| 18:03 | walterbender | just remind them that Sugar != OLPC != Negroponte |
| 18:03 | decause | walterbender++ |
| 18:04 | will the GSoC projects have some kind of "One-pager" report, or highlight reel that we can get before we go out there? | |
| 18:05 | walterbender | decause: hopefully we can compile it from the final reports |
| 18:05 | decause | walterbender: nod nod nod |
| 18:15 | tch__ | decause: :) |
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| 18:18 | decause | tch__: gonna be sweet :) |
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| 18:20 | tch__ | decause: i bet it will! |
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