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| 14:05 | erikos | hello too |
| 14:05 | gonzalo_odiard_ | anybody else i said :) |
| 14:07 | erikos | man...u? |
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| 14:09 | manuq | hola |
| 14:09 | gonzalo_odiard_ | finally :) |
| 14:09 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: erikos, I'm here now |
| 14:10 | gonzalo_odiard_ | great |
| 14:10 | manuq | sorry, was doing another task |
| 14:10 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, we know.... |
| 14:10 | erikos | tztztz |
| 14:10 | gonzalo_odiard_ | :) |
| 14:11 | erikos | ok, let's talk about Journal share |
| 14:11 | gonzalo_odiard_ | ok, try to get this on tpic |
| 14:11 | erikos, please start :) | |
| 14:11 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: you have already read/seen what we designed so far |
| 14:11 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes |
| 14:12 | i think i replied the mail too | |
| 14:12 | erikos | yes |
| 14:12 | the controversial point is if we think that we should include one-to-one communication | |
| 14:12 | or if the activity is only used as a pinboard | |
| 14:13 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, pinboard, but with the option to items visible to all or not |
| 14:13 | erikos | a global space, where people offer a share that is visible to all the members of the session |
| 14:14 | gonzalo_odiard_: can you elaborate on the last sentence? | |
| 14:14 | gonzalo_odiard_: how would that visible or not to all look like? | |
| 14:15 | manuq | not visible to all == visible only to the teacher? |
| 14:16 | gonzalo_odiard_ | thinking about the use case you defined, may be who initiated the session (the teacher) if the objective is collect draw form kids, can have a option to define than the work provided by the kids shoukd be visible for all or not |
| 14:16 | instead of needing define by every kid | |
| 14:16 | erikos | you mean, when the sharing session is started, like: |
| 14:17 | - teacher starts the activity | |
| 14:17 | - shares it | |
| 14:17 | - an alert is asking him whether it is a 'private' one or an 'open' one | |
| 14:18 | gonzalo_odiard_ | that is a implementation issue, but yes, is the idea |
| 14:18 | manuq | let's not go for implementation, let's describe workflows instead |
| 14:18 | gonzalo_odiard_ | maybe open/closed to ot use the term "private", because can be confusing with the sharing state |
| 14:20 | erikos | ok |
| 14:21 | manuq | so the person who shares can decide if it will be an open or closed sharing |
| 14:21 | erikos | ok, so you raised the point that one-to-one transfers are already possible in the shell |
| 14:21 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes |
| 14:21 | erikos | I think there are two issues with offering that as a solution for the "teacher collects assignment" workflow |
| 14:22 | - the current interface for authenticating the incoming transfers does not work well for many transfers at the same time | |
| 14:23 | - you have to make the person you want to send to a friend first | |
| 14:23 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, you are talking about transferences in sugar, not journalshare |
| 14:23 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: yes |
| 14:23 | I want to see if we can say: | |
| 14:24 | - Journal share is a pinboard | |
| 14:24 | - for collecting files one-by-one use the shell file transfers | |
| 14:24 | this would be one option | |
| 14:25 | the other would be to have both use cases available in the activity, like we tried to illustrate in the second mockup | |
| 14:25 | gonzalo_odiard_ | hmm |
| 14:25 | manuq | shell file transfers like in: go to journal -> open palette in an item -> Send to: -> select friend |
| 14:26 | erikos | manuq: yes |
| 14:26 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, in that case, to collect the work the teacher should autorize every transference? |
| 14:26 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: yes |
| 14:27 | cumbersome | |
| 14:27 | gonzalo_odiard_ | hmm |
| 14:27 | erikos | yes, but I think that has to be the case both if we go for the shell-implementation and for the activity one |
| 14:27 | gonzalo_odiard_ | and also is difficult later to the teacher check where all that works |
| 14:28 | manuq | erikos: but a "download all" button can make it easier |
| 14:28 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, manuq, wait |
| 14:28 | in the activity, you don't need authorize transferences | |
| 14:29 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: why not? |
| 14:29 | gonzalo_odiard_ | the kids download and upload, the teacher have a report of the state |
| 14:29 | (report not implemented yet) | |
| 14:29 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: in my sketch, the kids publish and the teacher downloads |
| 14:30 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, that does not scale |
| 14:31 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: can you describe me how should it be? like in "kid A does X, teacher does Y" |
| 14:31 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes |
| 14:32 | the kid select a item to share, is uploaded to the teacher computer, all the views are updated as needed | |
| 14:33 | manuq | so, a push model |
| 14:33 | gonzalo_odiard_ | if the teacher upload something, the the kids view is updated, if the kid want, download it |
| 14:33 | is a web model, but with automatic update | |
| 14:33 | is not push, only the view | |
| 14:34 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: each machine runs a server? |
| 14:34 | gonzalo_odiard_ | Record activity is similar, you see the media from the other kids, but only download if click over the media |
| 14:34 | erikos, only the teacher | |
| 14:36 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: teacher as in the person who started the sharing session? |
| 14:36 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: even sharing big files? |
| 14:36 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, yes |
| 14:36 | manuq, yes, why? | |
| 14:37 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: having no control of what your computer is downloading can be odd |
| 14:37 | erikos | there is Bob and Chris in the class of Mister Wood |
| 14:37 | Bob adds an item from his Journal | |
| 14:37 | manuq | specially if the work was: take a video of the animals in the zoo |
| 14:37 | erikos | what does happen in your case? |
| 14:38 | gonzalo_odiard_ | wait :) |
| 14:38 | erikos | :) |
| 14:39 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, if the pinboard is public (like is today) the view from Chris is updated, the item from Bob is uploaded to Mister Wood Journal,and the view from Mister Wood is updated too |
| 14:40 | if is closed, only Mister Wood view is updated | |
| 14:41 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: ok, so Mister Wood runs the pinboard and items are pushed to him |
| 14:41 | he can not really control it | |
| 14:41 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, we can think on some limits |
| 14:41 | erikos, yes | |
| 14:41 | erikos | I always thought in pull models |
| 14:41 | gonzalo_odiard_ | i am not concerned on dod atacks form 6 years kids.... (yet) |
| 14:42 | i am not concerned on dos atacks form 6 years kids.... (yet) | |
| 14:42 | manuq | :) |
| 14:42 | but 30 pupils sending 10MB works at the same time can boom | |
| 14:42 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, well, the kid need select a item to download it |
| 14:43 | manuq, how many activities generate 10MB works? really.... | |
| 14:44 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: ok, but I see a risk there |
| 14:44 | gonzalo_odiard_: also, where do uploads go? do they fill the teacher's journal? | |
| 14:44 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes |
| 14:44 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: yes, but not the teacher |
| 14:46 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, erikos, may be we can set a default file size limit, and let the teacher change it |
| 14:46 | and/or request confirmation for bigger files | |
| 14:47 | erikos | but do we really need such a structure? |
| 14:47 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, file size control? |
| 14:47 | manuq | I'm a bit concerned about having 30 new items in the journal |
| 14:47 | erikos | no, I mean a central server point |
| 14:48 | can not each member broadcast the items he shares | |
| 14:48 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, is the point off all this, collect works.... |
| 14:48 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: erikos came with the idea of download options: to the journal, a usb stick, to the documents folder |
| 14:48 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, we not implement that in browse, right? ;) |
| 14:48 | erikos | gonzalo_odiard_: I mean the implementation architecture |
| 14:49 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, what option do you imagine? |
| 14:50 | erikos | the sharing model around telepathy does work that way |
| 14:50 | imagine Browse sharing for example | |
| 14:51 | if Bob adds a new item he wants to share, this info is broadcastet to all the members | |
| 14:51 | then when Chris wants to have that file he request it from Bob | |
| 14:51 | and it is transferred | |
| 14:52 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, i started to research this option, because we know the telepathy does not work for more than 6/8 kids |
| 14:52 | erikos, or that is what i always heard | |
| 14:53 | sadly, i don't have a reliable way to test all this with a big group | |
| 14:53 | erikos | hmm, ok |
| 14:54 | gonzalo_odiard_ | erikos, is wrong my thinking? |
| 14:55 | erikos | I am thinking |
| 14:55 | I mean the basic presence/sharing bits remain unchanged in your model | |
| 14:56 | what I mean is, which parts do we consider unstable when we say: | |
| 14:56 | "telepathy does not work for more than 6/8 kids" | |
| 14:57 | do we fail, because presence is not accurate? | |
| 14:57 | do we fail because the session joining/leaving is not accurate | |
| 14:57 | or is it the messages that we transfer during the session | |
| 14:57 | that do not work reliably | |
| 14:58 | manuq | is worth checking, yes |
| 14:58 | gonzalo_odiard_: erikos, I think the three of us have more than 8 machines | |
| 14:59 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, i have 10 working xos |
| 14:59 | manuq | great |
| 15:00 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, anyway, is not so easy determine what is the problem with telepathy |
| 15:00 | ask simon if not | |
| 15:01 | erikos, if you have some way to point me to how diagnose what happen with the messages, tell me | |
| 15:02 | erikos | ok, i will think about it |
| 15:04 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: regarding the UI, I don't think we are ready to do it in a webview.. if doing it in gtk3 things will be easier |
| 15:04 | the logic is in python already, the UI part is easy | |
| 15:05 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, then we should not use http for transferences, right? |
| 15:05 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: just talking about the UI |
| 15:06 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, but the ui in this case is linked to how the activity works |
| 15:06 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: you use a webview because is needed to the transfers? |
| 15:06 | ok | |
| 15:07 | gonzalo_odiard_ | may be i am wrong, but i think, going for http should be safe for us. we have a lot of options for server and client side |
| 15:07 | you know, all can fail, but .... | |
| 15:08 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: I remember I used webkit without displaying any webview to perform a download (the little progress-bar icon) |
| 15:08 | erikos | sorry guys - I am called for food hunting |
| 15:08 | I learned at least about the current implemenattion | |
| 15:08 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, hmm, i didn't think about that |
| 15:09 | manuq | erikos: ok! ejoy food, we can continue later |
| 15:09 | enjoy | |
| 15:09 | erikos | please sent me the conversation later |
| 15:09 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: maybe for uploads is the same? |
| 15:09 | erikos: right | |
| 15:09 | gonzalo_odiard_ | ok |
| 15:09 | erikos | manuq: it will be a while :/ |
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| 15:10 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, may be |
| 15:10 | manuq, why you think the ui can't be done in a webui? | |
| 15:10 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: would be great, can you check? then I can do the UI using gtk3 |
| 15:11 | gonzalo_odiard_: see the sketches erikos and I did.. there are conventional sugar widgets there | |
| 15:11 | gonzalo_odiard_: porting them to http will be a lot of work | |
| 15:12 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, i can't say with the sketch :) |
| 15:12 | manuq | no? :) |
| 15:12 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, is not something we can't implement with web |
| 15:13 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: but will not be consistent and will be hard.. get the nicks and colors from each buddy, for example |
| 15:13 | gonzalo_odiard_ | in fact, is probably easier to do with a webview |
| 15:13 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: ok, let's discuss this after we agree in the workflow |
| 15:13 | this == UI | |
| 15:15 | gonzalo_odiard_ | manuq, ok, something else to talk about? |
| 15:16 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: next step? |
| 15:17 | gonzalo_odiard_ | i think i should: |
| 15:17 | * add the open/closed option | |
| 15:17 | * implement a view more similar to the mockup | |
| 15:18 | see if simon have any recommendation about telepathy testing | |
| 15:18 | and do a new round of review/talk | |
| 15:19 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: about open / closed... |
| 15:20 | if A starts the activity and B and C join, B will only see the items A shares, right? | |
| 15:21 | so B will not see the items C shares and viceversa | |
| 15:22 | gonzalo_odiard_ | if is a closed pinboard, yes |
| 15:23 | right now is not working that way, all see all | |
| 15:23 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: yes, I meant for closed, yes |
| 15:24 | gonzalo_odiard_: also right now, you need to start one activity per "board" | |
| 15:24 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes |
| 15:24 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: erikos and I were thinking about having all boards in the same activity |
| 15:24 | gonzalo_odiard_ | all boards? |
| 15:25 | what means all boards? | |
| 15:25 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: see my sketch, on the left you'll see a list of buddies |
| 15:26 | gonzalo_odiard_: selecting one buddy you will see his/her shared items | |
| 15:26 | her "board" | |
| 15:27 | gonzalo_odiard_ | i don't like that. the teacher need go one by one |
| 15:27 | is not better have a single list, with information about the user? | |
| 15:30 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: if you see my sketch, the right side has a top area and a bottom area |
| 15:30 | gonzalo_odiard_: the bottom area is for items sent to you directly, the one-to-one sents, like in the "teacher collecting works" case | |
| 15:30 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes, but that was thinking in a different transference model |
| 15:34 | manuq | gonzalo_odiard_: I think seeing only one board is very much like the current Send to: option |
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| 18:48 | <MelissaHT-es> Greetings *danisa! | |
| 18:48 | <danisag-es> Hello! | |
| 18:48 | <MelissaHT-es> Apology by the problems *tecnios | |
| 18:48 | <MelissaHT-es> *tecnicos | |
| 18:48 | <danisag-es> How it complicated us the technology today | |
| 18:48 | <danisag-es> There is not problem, these things occur... | |
| 18:48 | <MelissaHT-es> *siii | |
| 18:48 | <danisag-es> It would be missing *Frannia? | |
| 18:49 | <MelissaHT-es> If, it seems me that *sandra of the saviour *tambien *trataria to connect | |
| 18:49 | <danisag-es> ah! Very good :) | |
| 18:49 | <MelissaHT-es> And *claudia *tambien was in the another *salon | |
| 18:51 | <MelissaHT-es> That such the *dia *feriado? 1 May? | |
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| 18:51 | meeting | <danisag-es> Well! In Uruguay *estila find with friends and share a roasted to the midday :) |
| 18:52 | <ClaudiaU-es> Hello | |
| 18:52 | <MelissaHT-es> ah That well | |
| 18:53 | <danisag-es> You how happened? | |
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| 18:54 | meeting | <MelissaHT-es> hello *claudia! |
| 18:54 | <ClaudiaU-es> Good afternoons | |
| 18:55 | sandra__ | Hola chicas, un gusto saludarlas |
| 18:55 | MelissaHT | sandra, el salon es #sugar-meeting-es |
| 18:56 | sandra__ | o.k |
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| 18:59 | meeting | <MelissaHT-es> well, we are *danisa, *claudia and *sandra if it arrives to join |
| 18:59 | <MelissaHT-es> *recapitulamos What have done up to now? | |
| 18:59 | <danisag-es> We are, although it remains me *poquito time, have to go me to a meeting in 20 minutes :( | |
| 19:00 | <MelissaHT-es> Some suggestion of as give him better follow-up to these talks? | |
| 19:00 | <MelissaHT-es> Clear *danisa, understand | |
| 19:00 | <MelissaHT-es> thank you By the documents that shared *danisa | |
| 19:01 | <MelissaHT-es> *frannia *tambien *compartio Some things. | |
| 19:01 | <danisag-es> Yes, I was looking this document, is *súper interesting | |
| 19:01 | <MelissaHT-es> You could see the *video of his *presentacion? | |
| 19:02 | <MelissaHT-es> Still they are slope the following tasks: | |
| 19:02 | <MelissaHT-es> •Determine the critical appearances or skills to develop. | |
| 19:02 | <MelissaHT-es> •Look the Activities of *Sugar and think which aim to the *lectoescritura http://activities.sugarlabs.org//in-*US/*sugar/ | |
| 19:03 | <ClaudiaU-es> I propose that the same members of the group can propose aims and activities that want to promote or do like team | |
| 19:03 | <danisag-es> I could not see the *video, have to go in from house. In the office do not have technology to be able to listen it, and wanted to download it to see it afterwards but did not attain it | |
| 19:03 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok | |
| 19:03 | <ClaudiaU-es> It is obvious that exists a *interes of part of which us "apuntamos" to this group...And it is very important to establish that we can do each one and like group | |
| 19:04 | <ClaudiaU-es> No that seems them? | |
| 19:04 | <MelissaHT-es> Of agreement *claudia, but it *dificil is that all can participate to propose aims and activities that want to promote or do like team | |
| 19:05 | * Frannia-es has joined | |
| 19:05 | <MelissaHT-es> *danisa And *frannia have put a lot of effort in participating and appreciate them *grandemente. | |
| 19:05 | <Frannia-es> Hello!! :) | |
| 19:05 | <danisag-es> Up to now I think that we have had difficulties to advance in a work of team properly.... I was absent two Mondays followed, besides... | |
| 19:05 | <danisag-es> hello *Frannia! | |
| 19:06 | <Frannia-es> Hello Danisa, greetings for all | |
| 19:06 | <MelissaHT-es> hello *frannia | |
| 19:07 | <ClaudiaU-es> MelissaHT: but they can coordinate things *asincronicas | |
| 19:07 | <ClaudiaU-es> In a *google *doc and go creating a *wiki *page | |
| 19:08 | <danisag-es> If, this think that could be practical, not to depend so much that we coincide in the time | |
| 19:08 | <MelissaHT-es> Clear | |
| 19:08 | <MelissaHT-es> Of agreement | |
| 19:09 | <ClaudiaU-es> Taking advantage of this big moment.. And that danisag they have to go prompt | |
| 19:09 | <ClaudiaU-es> By that we do not think in an aim | |
| 19:09 | <ClaudiaU-es> And some tasks... And like this it gives follow-up | |
| 19:10 | <danisag-es> Well, a first aim can be list the activities that aim to *lectoescritura in *sugar, and classify them with any *brevísima description | |
| 19:10 | <MelissaHT-es> If | |
| 19:10 | <danisag-es> More than an aim, that would be a task :*P... | |
| 19:11 | <MelissaHT-es> If. It is one of the tasks described from the first meeting: Look the Activities of *Sugar and think which aim to the *lectoescritura http://activities.sugarlabs.org//in-*US/*sugar/ | |
| 19:12 | <MelissaHT-es> We put hands to the work? | |
| 19:12 | <MelissaHT-es> In a *pagina *wiki? | |
| 19:12 | <danisag-es> *perfeco | |
| 19:12 | <danisag-es> *Perfect | |
| 19:12 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok | |
| 19:12 | <ClaudiaU-es> *siiii | |
| 19:12 | <Frannia-es> *ok | |
| 19:13 | <MelissaHT-es> It seems me well. Claudia you *gustaria create the *pagina of *wiki or of *google? Or you want to that I do it I? | |
| 19:13 | <ClaudiaU-es> MelissaHT: forward | |
| 19:13 | <ClaudiaU-es> We begin by the of *wiki | |
| 19:13 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok. I go to do a *google *doc | |
| 19:14 | <ClaudiaU-es> And when they have things specify that we want to share with all, created *google *doc | |
| 19:14 | <MelissaHT-es> ah *ok | |
| 19:14 | <MelissaHT-es> *wiki Then | |
| 19:14 | <MelissaHT-es> *frannia And *danisa, know to edit *wiki? | |
| 19:14 | <danisag-es> If, there is not problem | |
| 19:14 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok | |
| 19:15 | <Frannia-es> The aim would be directed to orient to the community on some guidelines to strengthen the processes of reading and writing, *asi is? | |
| 19:15 | <danisag-es> If they arise me doubts, ask! :) | |
| 19:15 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok | |
| 19:15 | <ClaudiaU-es> It seems me that the group could establish a base theorist that orient the activities related with *lectoescritura, and at the same time promote best practices.... | |
| 19:15 | <danisag-es> I have to leave them by today, I expect a link in the post in these days for the *wiki? | |
| 19:15 | <Frannia-es> If, already I have used *Wikis | |
| 19:15 | <MelissaHT-es> In a first moment list the activities that aim to *lectoescritura in *sugar, *frannia | |
| 19:16 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok, thank you *danisa | |
| 19:16 | <ClaudiaU-es> Until prompt danisag | |
| 19:16 | <ClaudiaU-es> Following with this aim, the group commissions of: | |
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| 19:16 | <Frannia-es> *ok | |
| 19:16 | <ClaudiaU-es> - Create and *recopilar theoretical information | |
| 19:17 | <Frannia-es> Greetings Danisa | |
| 19:17 | <MelissaHT-es> If | |
| 19:17 | <ClaudiaU-es> - Identify the Activities of *Sugar that support the development of skills of *lecto-writing | |
| 19:17 | <Frannia-es> *ok, understand | |
| 19:18 | <ClaudiaU-es> - Promote the development of New Activities, where was necessary | |
| 19:18 | <ClaudiaU-es> - Create and *recopilar practical examples of as these Activities can use in out and inside the classroom (formal environments and no formal) | |
| 19:19 | <MelissaHT-es> If | |
| 19:19 | <ClaudiaU-es> It seems them begin with this, and attach what has found ? | |
| 19:20 | <MelissaHT-es> I *tambien have to go me now. Frannia, these available the *proximo *miercoles? | |
| 19:20 | <Frannia-es> If | |
| 19:20 | <MelissaHT-es> If *claudia | |
| 19:20 | <ClaudiaU-es> It seems me that a task would be can write like a *parrafo or some *lienas that *resuman each one of the resources | |
| 19:20 | <Frannia-es> Melissa confirm you tomorrow, since have workshops in *Ometepe and would go us from the day Wednesday. That penalty :( | |
| 19:21 | <MelissaHT-es> You do not concern you | |
| 19:21 | <ClaudiaU-es> You do not concern you | |
| 19:21 | <MelissaHT-es> If you warn me *manana will have time to schedule | |
| 19:21 | <ClaudiaU-es> *Meli.. You want to organise what carry.. | |
| 19:21 | <MelissaHT-es> And if you can not, we plan another subject | |
| 19:21 | <Frannia-es> *ok | |
| 19:21 | <ClaudiaU-es> Like this it is | |
| 19:21 | <MelissaHT-es> If *claudia, put it in the *wiki *tambien | |
| 19:22 | <MelissaHT-es> *ok *frannia Expect your *confirmacion *manana | |
| 19:22 | <Frannia-es> They would define roles to organise the *wiki? | |
| 19:22 | <MelissaHT-es> Have to go me now. | |
| 19:23 | <Frannia-es> Greetings Melissa, a good week for both | |
| 19:24 | <ClaudiaU-es> Greetings!!! | |
| 19:26 | <Frannia-es> We expect then, the link to the *wiki | |
| 19:26 | <Frannia-es> Greetings Claudia, withdraw me | |
| 19:26 | <Frannia-es> :) | |
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| 22:35 | gonzalo_odiard_ | hello.... |
| 22:35 | walterbender | hi ClaudiaU gonzalo_odiard_ |
| 22:36 | expecting daniel | |
| 22:36 | and gerald | |
| 22:36 | and cjl | |
| 22:36 | didn't hear from adam | |
| 22:38 | gonzalo_odiard_: re GSoC, I submitted our "amazing" and "desired" and I began a first pass at the mentor assignments | |
| 22:38 | GeraldA <GeraldA!~quasselool-4a59b1ff.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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| 22:38 | walterbender | kept about 1/3 of the applications in play at the moment. |
| 22:38 | hi GeraldA | |
| 22:39 | we have a quorum :) | |
| 22:39 | #start-meeting | |
| 22:39 | meeting | Meeting started Mon May 6 22:39:38 2013 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:39 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 22:39 | walterbender | welcome oversight board :) |
| 22:40 | gonzalo_odiard_ | hi all! |
| 22:40 | walterbender | we've not managed to meet in a while |
| 22:40 | I wanted to bring everyone up to speed on a few topics | |
| 22:40 | #topic GSoC | |
| 22:40 | As I think you all know, we are participating in Google Summer of Code | |
| 22:41 | we had 37 applications... quite a few good ones... on a nice range of topics | |
| 22:41 | we should know by the end of the week how many slots we get. | |
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| 22:42 | walterbender | I think the applications are public: http://www.google-melange.com/[…]oposals_submitted |
| 22:42 | hi adam | |
| 22:42 | CanoeBerry | ciao |
| 22:43 | walterbender | Once we get our slot assignments, we'll meet as a group -- the mentors and anyone fro SLOB who wants to chime in |
| 22:43 | the goal is to pick students/projects that will bring the most value to the program. | |
| 22:43 | any questions? concerns? ideas? | |
| 22:44 | CanoeBerry: we are discussing Google Summer of Code | |
| 22:44 | CanoeBerry | i'm not getting access to http://www.google-melange.com/[…]oposals_submitted |
| 22:44 | walterbender | hmm. |
| 22:44 | I will try to find the public link | |
| 22:44 | gerald: did you ever figure out how to applu to be a SL mentor? | |
| 22:44 | JT4sugar | unable to access Sugar Labs stuff although I signed up through mentor link on GSOC landing page |
| 22:45 | walterbender | seems to recall approving your application |
| 22:45 | GeraldA | walterbender, no. I am working on it now |
| 22:45 | walterbender | JT4sugar: seems you and gerald have the same problem |
| 22:45 | and for some reason gonzalo_odiard_ doesn't have access to the admin stuff?? | |
| 22:46 | I find the UI unintuitive, but I just figured it was me. | |
| 22:46 | GeraldA | when I signed up as a mentor yesterday, there was no place to indicate an affiliation with SugarLabs |
| 22:47 | walterbender | GeraldA: maybe ask on #gsoc |
| 22:47 | well, meanwhile... | |
| 22:47 | #topic turtleart day | |
| 22:47 | gonzalo_odiard_ | walterbender, yes, i don't see admin options |
| 22:48 | walterbender | ClaudiaU and I have been helping a group from the learning team organize Turtle Art Day |
| 22:48 | re GSoC, let's sort these issues out after the meeting | |
| 22:48 | it is tentatively scheduled for October 5 (or 12). | |
| 22:49 | it will be a collection of local events around the world, with a main venue in Paraguay | |
| 22:49 | (probably ANU, but maybe in Caacupe) | |
| 22:49 | I've got a lead on some possible funding for travel. will keep you in the loop | |
| 22:50 | gonzalo_odiard_ | nice |
| 22:50 | GeraldA | This is so great. |
| 22:51 | walterbender | spent most of the day working on a new TA feature request from .UY |
| 22:51 | it will be cool: saving stacks as macros to be reused in new sessions. | |
| 22:51 | lots of corner cases to sort out :P | |
| 22:52 | ClaudiaU: any thing to add re TA Day? | |
| 22:52 | gonzalo_odiard_ | walterbender, like name procedures? |
| 22:52 | walterbender | gonzalo_odiard_: yes. |
| 22:52 | gonzalo_odiard_: you can make named procedures already, but they are only part of a single instance. | |
| 22:53 | now you can same them and you get an extra palette with your collection to use in any instance | |
| 22:53 | ^same^save | |
| 22:54 | more power to the people :) | |
| 22:54 | gonzalo_odiard_ | :) |
| 22:54 | walterbender | a few more quick updates... |
| 22:55 | #topic sugar | |
| 22:55 | not sure if you have been seeing the discussion in #sugar and on devel, but the html5/javascript work is really moving quickly | |
| 22:56 | dnarvaez, manuq, lionel laske at al. are doing a great job | |
| 22:57 | I'm pretty excited in general about the pace we are setting with the new release | |
| 22:57 | setting the background has landed :) | |
| 22:57 | sdanielf <sdanielf!~dfrancis@r186-49-50-9.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #sugar-meeting | |
| 22:57 | walterbender | we are debating how best to implement multiple home views |
| 22:57 | sdanielf | walterbender: I appeared in the best time |
| 22:58 | walterbender | sdanielf: :) |
| 22:58 | gonzalo_odiard_ | hi sdanielf :) |
| 22:58 | walterbender | sdanielf: we need to convince gonzalo_odiard_ of our approach :P |
| 22:58 | gonzalo_odiard_ | ha ha |
| 22:58 | sdanielf | need to read again the discussion, but I don't like the design too |
| 22:59 | walterbender | lots of little things too, such as the keyboard section no longer crashes sugar :) |
| 22:59 | had the updater working again, but it crashes again (I suspect a problem on ASLO actually) | |
| 23:00 | in any case, the devel team is doing a great job... | |
| 23:00 | sdanielf | I didn't see GSoC projects to enhance ASLO |
| 23:00 | gonzalo_odiard_ | i have a little announcement too, we have a help activity with updated content |
| 23:00 | walterbender | sdanielf: yes... would have been a good theme |
| 23:01 | sdanielf | walterbender: and... soon or late somebody will have to do it |
| 23:01 | walterbender | gonzalo_odiard_: yes. very nice |
| 23:01 | gonzalo_odiard_ | i wanted to share because a lot of people worked on that, at different times |
| 23:01 | sdanielf | gonzalo_odiard_: congrats |
| 23:01 | gonzalo_odiard_ | ClaudiaU, julia reynolds |
| 23:01 | and the group of volunteers the last year | |
| 23:02 | sdanielf | now we just need to keep the documentation up-to-date |
| 23:02 | gonzalo_odiard_ | there are content needing a update, but is a big improvement compared with the previous version |
| 23:02 | CanoeBerry | gonzalo_odiard_: thanks! got a canonical link? |
| 23:03 | gonzalo_odiard_ | yes, wait |
| 23:03 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: are you using xo 4.0s in Haiti yet? |
| 23:03 | CanoeBerry | Not yet |
| 23:03 | gonzalo_odiard_ | CanoeBerry, http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4051 |
| 23:05 | i created a repository to the content too, and is written in a easy markup | |
| 23:05 | and is possible create html, epub, pdf... | |
| 23:05 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: when you do, touch base, because we have a lot of work on activities for touch that are not yet in the official builds |
| 23:05 | CanoeBerry | gonzalo_odiard_: Right, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help is too stale to be of much use, got it. |
| 23:06 | walterbender: awesome, what's the timeline for integrating these into 13.2.0 ideally? | |
| 23:06 | walterbender | I wanted to make one more point re sugar devel: it seems that we are picking up a few new developers... a good sign |
| 23:06 | ClaudiaU | hello |
| 23:06 | walterbender | but we always need more :) |
| 23:07 | for example, I put some of Steve Jacob's students in touch with the Charolette NC deployment and they are working together on some new activities | |
| 23:07 | good stuff | |
| 23:07 | sdanielf | will need to research about packaging help for activities and using the help activity to load help for all the activities which include it... that would be a way to update the help together with it's activity |
| 23:08 | walterbender | sdanielf: we do have a GSoC project on help |
| 23:08 | sdanielf: please be a "shadow" mentor for that project | |
| 23:08 | sdanielf | walterbender: true |
| 23:09 | walterbender | sdanielf: seems like there are a few new students of Flavio too |
| 23:09 | they are contacting me for help :P | |
| 23:10 | gonzalo_odiard_ | we need involve them before they have a girlfriend :D |
| 23:10 | sdanielf | gonzalo_odiard_: really true |
| 23:10 | or we need to involve their girlfriends :P | |
| 23:11 | gonzalo_odiard_ | that should be better :) |
| 23:11 | CanoeBerry | gonzalo_odiard_: just updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Manuals & http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help_%28activity%29 so more ppl find yr work |
| 23:12 | walterbender | sdanielf: seriously... how do we get them involved |
| 23:12 | gonzalo_odiard_ | CanoeBerry, thanks! |
| 23:12 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: the only other update I have on TA day is that the team is creating a series of videos to promote best practices... |
| 23:13 | walterbender, gonzalo_odiard_ I found email from you in this account I don't use much | |
| 23:14 | gonzalo_odiard_ | ClaudiaU, what email is better? |
| 23:14 | ClaudiaU, walterbender, you have material ready to promote replication of TA day? | |
| 23:14 | ClaudiaU | callaurreagmail.com |
| 23:14 | gonzalo_odiard_ | ok |
| 23:14 | ClaudiaU | I think walterbender used curreaslb.com |
| 23:15 | about summer code 2013 :( | |
| 23:16 | need to get up to date on that | |
| 23:18 | gonzalo_odiard_: we will get an update from the team working on the material to promote TA | |
| 23:18 | we are also planning to create a guide to help people organize an international event | |
| 23:18 | gonzalo_odiard_ | i would like to contact here the people from conectar igualdad |
| 23:18 | ClaudiaU | I will keep you posted |
| 23:19 | gonzalo_odiard_ | thanks |
| 23:19 | walterbender | anything else today? |
| 23:19 | ClaudiaU | gonzalo_odiard_: to invite them to organize an event? or to come to the main event? |
| 23:20 | gonzalo_odiard_ | to organize a local event |
| 23:20 | ClaudiaU | great |
| 23:20 | we are advacing.. we'll let you know | |
| 23:20 | GeraldA | ClaudiaU, I very much want to participate in planning TA Day. |
| 23:20 | ClaudiaU | GeraldA: we are getting together on Wed at 11 am |
| 23:21 | I will pass the info, in case you can join | |
| 23:21 | GeraldA | Great. I will try to join. |
| 23:21 | CanoeBerry | Schoolserver Community Edition sprint happening right outside Toronto starting Wedn: http://schoolserver.org (May 8-13) |
| 23:21 | Our dream is a "v0.3" that will increasingly run well on all XOs, x86 and RPi..next week we'll know how close we get to the dreams :) | |
| 23:22 | gonzalo_odiard_ | CanoeBerry, great work |
| 23:23 | ClaudiaU | GeraldA: it would be great |
| 23:25 | walterbender | GeraldA: you should be in (GSioC) |
| 23:26 | GeraldA | walterbender: I will check |
| 23:29 | walterbender | GeraldA: you show up on the list now as a member of SL |
| 23:29 | maybe you can let ClaudiaU and CanoeBerry what you did | |
| 23:29 | GeraldA | walterbender: I see it now |
| 23:29 | Thanks | |
| 23:29 | ClaudiaU and CanoeBerry: have you applied as a mentor yet? | |
| 23:32 | This page was really helpful: http://en.flossmanuals.net/mel[…]fter-the-program/ | |
| 23:33 | ClaudiaU | GeraldA: I just found the email |
| 23:34 | GeraldA: thanks | |
| 23:34 | I registered last year | |
| 23:35 | GeraldA | This helped with the second piece, which was applying to be a mentor for a specific organization, say, SugarLabs. |
| 23:37 | ClaudiaU | me looking!! |
| 23:38 | useful already | |
| 23:38 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Followed Geralds floss page and I just submitted request to mentor for Sugar Labs am I showing up on your list? |
| 23:42 | walterbender | looks |
| 23:43 | JT4sugar: you should be in | |
| 23:45 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: I also registered |
| 23:46 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: I am not sure if I have yours yet... loking |
| 23:46 | CanoeBerry: your's arrive... | |
| 23:47 | CanoeBerry | I registered as a GSOC13 mentor..and requested a "connection" w/ Sugar Labs..proposals page no longer blocked, but remains blank: http://www.google-melange.com/[…]oposals_submitted |
| 23:49 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: I just approved you, but you are not on the SL list :P |
| 23:52 | GeraldA | I am going to have to jump off. Do we have any other business? |
| 23:53 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: did you see mine? |
| 23:53 | walterbender | GeraldA: I think we are done |
| 23:53 | ClaudiaU: not yet :( | |
| 23:53 | let's end the meeting and then poke around with melange | |
| 23:54 | #end-meeting | |
| 23:54 | meeting | Meeting ended Mon May 6 23:54:06 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 23:54 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T22:39:38.html | |
| 23:54 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]13-05-06T22:39:38 | |
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| 23:55 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: you are on the list now... try the link again |
| 23:56 | ClaudiaU: still no email re your application | |
| 23:56 | CanoeBerry | Works, thanks! |
| 23:58 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: it appears in my dashboard as requested |
| 23:58 | GeraldA | Ciao! |
| 23:58 | GeraldA has left #sugar-meeting | |
| 23:58 | CanoeBerry | Likewise, bye for now- |
| 23:58 | gonzalo_odiard_ | bye |
| 23:58 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: I'll keep looking |
| 23:58 | ClaudiaU | ok |
| 23:58 | walterbender | bye all |
| 23:58 | ClaudiaU | bye |
| 23:59 | walterbender: yay | |
| 23:59 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: it just now showed up |
| 23:59 | ClaudiaU | got approved |
| 23:59 | walterbender | :) |
| 23:59 | ClaudiaU | thanks! |
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