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| 16:01 | walterbender | hey garycmartin |
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| 16:01 | walterbender | garycmartin: I think we'll have a patch for you to look at soon re web services |
| 16:01 | garycmartin | walterbender: Hi, here for marketing meeting? |
| 16:01 | walterbender | garycmartin: yes... SeanDaly is running it |
| 16:01 | garycmartin: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/imag[…]a/FB-comments.png | |
| 16:02 | SeanDaly | Hi walterbender, garycmartin, satellit |
| 16:02 | walterbender | (ignore my typos) |
| 16:02 | hi SeanDaly | |
| 16:02 | garycmartin | walterbender: re web services, cool :) |
| 16:02 | Hi SeanDaly! | |
| 16:02 | walterbender | garycmartin: trying to do it in a very generic way |
| 16:03 | SeanDaly | has realized forgot wiki password, will share a doc with Gdocs |
| 16:03 | walterbender | each service can coexist in the same Sugar framewotk |
| 16:03 | SeanDaly | Hi JT4sugar |
| 16:03 | satellit | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]nable_to_run_olpc.dailymotion.com_and_www.dailymotion.com_videos_in_soas_v8_Browse |
| 16:03 | SeanDaly | shall we start? |
| 16:04 | walterbender | sure |
| 16:04 | SeanDaly | #start-meeting |
| 16:04 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Feb 13 16:04:45 2013 UTC. The chair is SeanDaly. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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| 16:05 | SeanDaly | thanks for coming |
| 16:05 | JT4sugar | Hello All |
| 16:05 | SeanDaly | I'd like to do a quick debrief of Google Code-In (GCI) PR |
| 16:05 | has a report to share with you... | |
| 16:06 | while report is uploading I will say... | |
| 16:07 | that the PR was completely ignored in the USA, Europe, Asia, & Africa | |
| 16:08 | However, the "local lad" effect was very strong in Uruguay (I also pushed story to every news outlet I could locate, perhaps 20 or more) | |
| 16:08 | walterbender | SeanDaly: why no pickup in India? |
| 16:09 | SeanDaly | Aguz's great photo (which media lifted from his FB page) played a key role, and |
| 16:09 | having a Spanish translation was critical | |
| 16:09 | walterbender: it's always difficult to predict why sthing is "not" news, but | |
| 16:10 | I believe the lack of a punchy photo played a role; I had also pushed story to India media outlets | |
| 16:11 | I have just shared doc with you, take brief look please | |
| 16:12 | walterbender | SeanDaly: have you seen the picture I have from last summer from India? |
| 16:12 | the kid with the touch screen? | |
| 16:12 | awesome picture | |
| 16:12 | SeanDaly | walterbender... not sure |
| 16:13 | there were some shots framed ok, but too dark | |
| 16:14 | if you are looking at report, I was very surprised that the PR was read by over 100 PRNewswire subscribers | |
| 16:14 | journalists & bloggers usually detest PR and only pay attention when big new product or big economic impact | |
| 16:15 | if you look at map on page 4, no LatAm journalists of that 100; normal since we didn't put Spanish version on wire | |
| 16:16 | so we may want to re-examine publishing on Spanish wire simultaneously. Not an easy decision since costly; my idea would be to negotiate that within our forfeit (we have 9 PRs credit) | |
| 16:17 | by the way map shows some journalists in India did look at it; but to my knowledge didn't pick it up | |
| 16:18 | walterbender | SeanDaly: yeah... we need more LatAm pr |
| 16:18 | JT4sugar | I suggest we look at this as a baseline-Sean there are visibility scores, online score, media score could you help us understand what a good number would be for these |
| 16:18 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I have some friends in the media down there that maybe able to help |
| 16:18 | SeanDaly | page 7, media score was quite a bit higher than average, which leads me to believe that a "product" PR (e.g. SoaS or Virtual Sugar or v1) would get pickup if great visual attached |
| 16:20 | JT4sugar: this is PRNewswire methodology and we don't have anything to compare it to (it's a new plus from eReleases); best to compare when we do next one - remember, 100 odd reads large for us, but not a large number for stats | |
| 16:20 | walterbender | SeanDaly: if we do something around Sugar and touch, the India picture would be great |
| 16:21 | SeanDaly | walterbender i'm sorry, had you sent me that one? it's not in my mind |
| 16:21 | walterbender | SeanDaly: in your inbox |
| 16:22 | should we kick around ideas for our next few PR events? | |
| 16:23 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Sugar 1.0 release is when? When I'm clicking on 1.0 in wiki I get empty page |
| 16:23 | satellit | can we get sugar onto this page? http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard there are a very large number of RPi's that have been sold.... |
| 16:23 | SeanDaly | wow great photo no i hadn't seen it |
| 16:23 | walterbender | JT4sugar: we haven't put the schedule together yet... I am guessing Julyish? |
| 16:23 | maybe a bit sooner | |
| 16:24 | SeanDaly | i think that's it for PR debrief, just wanted to thank Aguz for spending a few days giving interviews - we were picked up by AFP LatAm (which is HQed in Montevideo) and this was really welcomed by Plan Ceibal supporters |
| 16:24 | walterbender | satellit: it is a wiki... maybe just add it, or add it to the discussion page? |
| 16:25 | satellit | will try |
| 16:25 | JT4sugar | That being the case I would think we might want to try and do a release about something we are doing between now and 1.0 |
| 16:25 | SeanDaly | for next PR events: I have ideas... |
| 16:26 | about RPi: last June, 500,000 sold ; by end of December, 1,000,000 sold | |
| 16:26 | there's an explosion of interest, and | |
| 16:26 | the official distributors are selling only one prepared image, a Debian | |
| 16:26 | walterbender | is a bit puzzled by it all... |
| 16:27 | SeanDaly | I think the appeal is to tinkerers... even though rationally, cost is way over an XO, and of course not nearly as portable |
| 16:28 | i believe though that this is an opportunity for us, because 0% of those million tinkerers have a preinstalled (Windows) OS on it | |
| 16:28 | walterbender | SeanDaly: +1 |
| 16:28 | SeanDaly | and switching the OS is as simple as switching an SD card |
| 16:28 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: FWIW: We had a lot of educator types here in Edinburgh (well wi was an edu conference) for Eben Uptons talk about the RPi |
| 16:28 | JT4sugar | Google giving away 15,000 RPi in UK can we get them Sugar on SD Card-Could Bernie-Other talk to Google into giving away 1,000-5,000 or more Sugar SD cards with RPi?? |
| 16:29 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: interesting |
| 16:29 | walterbender | has some close contacts in the RPi community as well, which we can leverage if we go down that path |
| 16:30 | SeanDaly | walterbender: I've had no contact with GCI coordinator, but do you think she would be willing to put us in touch with Google UK person on the RPi thing? |
| 16:30 | satellit | caryln did a presentation at SCaLE11X event in LA Jan 22-24. |
| 16:30 | walterbender | SeanDaly: maybe... or perhaps the GSoC coordinator |
| 16:30 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: I think the RPi are just cheap enough for folks to risk a purchase, if they use them, fry them, or not. A sweet spot. |
| 16:30 | walterbender | whom I know better |
| 16:30 | satellit | Caryl* |
| 16:31 | SeanDaly | RPi foundation has announced (buried on FAQ page) that there will be a new Education release, I understand may be a kit with specially designed case |
| 16:31 | garycmartin: totally agree | |
| 16:32 | i feel better able to test because while i was "down the hold" i improved Fedora installation skills; just got F17 + Sugar .96 running smoothly on Dell education netbook | |
| 16:33 | walterbender: can we open hailing frequencies with RPi? so that they at least know we are interested in working together? | |
| 16:33 | walterbender | so... back on topic... PR ideas? |
| 16:34 | SeanDaly | Peter mentioned that Sugar install on Fedora RPi spin not hard |
| 16:34 | well RPi *is* a PR idea :D :D | |
| 16:34 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I'll put together a list of contacts for you |
| 16:34 | SeanDaly | other PR ideas: |
| 16:34 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Any connections into SanDisk or other SD card companies who might want to get some great PR benefit for joining a Sugar-RPi initiative |
| 16:34 | SeanDaly | 1. Sugar v1 |
| 16:34 | satellit | easy yum groupinstall sugar-desktop |
| 16:34 | walterbender | JT4sugar: maybe... worth asking. |
| 16:34 | SeanDaly | 2. Cloud / Cloudberry |
| 16:35 | 3. SoaS | |
| 16:35 | 4. Virtual Sugar | |
| 16:35 | walterbender | JT4sugar: I had something going at one point with one of the USB cos, but couldn't pick up large-scale interest |
| 16:36 | SeanDaly | 5. possible nonprofit/NGO partnerships for Activities development |
| 16:36 | 6. Sugar on Android | |
| 16:36 | walterbender | SeanDaly: maybe Sugar-Touch as a sep. PR event? |
| 16:36 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Sugar touch? |
| 16:36 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Think the additional partnering with RPi and Google would help the cause and make high profile for those who would join |
| 16:36 | SeanDaly | Sugar touch as in, now shipping on the XO-4? |
| 16:37 | walterbender | SeanDaly: well, OLPC didn't really make a big deal of it and now, for example, someone in India has it running on a commercially available tablet |
| 16:37 | SeanDaly | satellit: when I did that on Fedora, had to hunt for nearly an hour to find how to access Sugar session at login |
| 16:38 | walterbender: OLPC chose to push Walmart tablet | |
| 16:38 | who in india? very interesting i didn't realize | |
| 16:38 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Yea, well at least once the XO-4 is shipping I'm going to at least make some videos (for Youtube and others) demoing some of the features. Very disappointed with the mess a CES2013. |
| 16:38 | walterbender | looks for the email |
| 16:38 | satellit | SeanDaly: log out log in choose sugar on sessions selector |
| 16:39 | walterbender | garycmartin: I think we should make noise about Sugar/Touch |
| 16:39 | SeanDaly | satellit: was absent from sessions selector, I had to find it manually in Add Software |
| 16:39 | Touch is great story to tell; shows we are adapting to the new world of netbooks dying, tablets booming | |
| 16:40 | satellit | SeanDaly it only appears after yum install and log out/in |
| 16:40 | SeanDaly | satellit: i learn every day :D |
| 16:40 | satellit: sugar-emulator not possible on that netbook, screen real estate too small | |
| 16:41 | satellit | you can make it full screen (sugar-emulator) |
| 16:41 | walterbender | SeanDaly: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ruary/041743.html |
| 16:41 | SeanDaly | by the way I would like to enumerate some non-PR marketing objectives |
| 16:41 | 1. Set of videos demonstrating Sugar & Activities | |
| 16:42 | 2. Merchandising | |
| 16:42 | walterbender | re #1 we can use to populate the new website |
| 16:42 | SeanDaly | 3. Team recruitment, including universities |
| 16:42 | 4. Website upgrade | |
| 16:42 | satellit | SeanDaly: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]n_Size_Adjustment |
| 16:43 | SeanDaly | satellit: many thanks, I would never have discovered that!! |
| 16:44 | JT4sugar | garycmartin, Has the touch work your doing on Sugar-Fedora being adopted/picked up by the Sugar work being done on Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 16:44 | SeanDaly | walterbender: I saw that mail but i understood he was accessing externally via VNC, not touch directly? |
| 16:45 | walterbender | SeanDaly: the point is Sugar/Touch on a non-OLPC tablet |
| 16:45 | SeanDaly | re videos: I have prototyped two effective methods (one under fedora, the other on Mac using virtualization), need to write it up on a wiki page |
| 16:45 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: The low end display size for Sugar is down as about 800x480, most (but not all) activities and Sugar views should be usable (this was work trying to improve Sugar for the Okidata laptop, being given to some teachers in Uruguay). |
| 16:45 | SeanDaly | walterbender: for sure way cool... need photo/video to "prove" the point |
| 16:45 | satellit | problem is that sugar cannot use most video formats |
| 16:46 | walterbender | satellit: what do you mean? |
| 16:46 | SeanDaly | ah also 5. Social media PR seeding |
| 16:46 | tch___ | +1 on 3. |
| 16:46 | satellit | walterbender: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]nable_to_run_olpc.dailymotion.com_and_www.dailymotion.com_videos_in_soas_v8_Browse |
| 16:46 | SeanDaly | satellit: according to my tests animated GIF an excellent container for Sugar screencasting since limited number of colors in many Activities |
| 16:47 | walterbender | tch___: we need noise about what you've been doing in UNA as an example for others |
| 16:47 | and also what Flavio has been doing in .UY at the secondary level | |
| 16:47 | tch___ | walterbender: I could write a litle artiucle about the experience and the results :) |
| 16:49 | SeanDaly | re 2. Merchandising: I have located a professor at a graphics school who will lend us his class from April-May to work on t-shirts, mugs &c |
| 16:49 | garycmartin | JT4sugar: Re "Sugar-Fedora being adopted/picked up by the Sugar work being done on Ubuntu and Debian", sorry not too sure, we worked closely, upstreaming patches for GTK3, and 3rd parties such as the Maliit folks for the on screen keyboard. |
| 16:50 | SeanDaly | and, the SFC has started a merchandising list, but I am not sure my mails get through to it (have forwarded info re t-shirt printing methods & suppliers no answer) |
| 16:51 | tch___ | what about events? like EduJam, thats very important too |
| 16:52 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: I'm hoping you and/or Christian can assist me as steering committee for merchandising... not day-to-day, but validate the (many) ideas I have and the implementation work by students |
| 16:52 | walterbender | tch___: We have so many great things like that going... don't know how to make a PR campaign around them |
| 16:52 | SeanDaly | also, professor willing to assist us with a brochure I would lke to target donors with |
| 16:52 | walterbender | goes for more coffee |
| 16:53 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Yes, just ping/cc me as needed. |
| 16:53 | JT4sugar | garycmartin, Have you been able to load a sugar touch version on a tablet(Other than XO4) and work with it? |
| 16:54 | SeanDaly | tch___: for sure events important, walterbender hoping for a large summit this year, possibly in LatAm. However that's "bigger" than marketing/PR |
| 16:54 | garycmartin | JT4sugar: No. I've only been working on the XO-4 hardware, trying to get things polished for the release. |
| 16:54 | JT4sugar | Gotcha |
| 16:55 | SeanDaly | by the way forgot to mention in GCI PR debrief, we now have an official photo rights release form validated by Tony at SFC, as soon as I locate/reset my wiki login I will upload |
| 16:56 | re 4. website upgrade: Christian is willing to assist as content is collated; this is not a minor project and needs to be planned but in my view needs to go live prior to Sugar v1 | |
| 16:57 | walterbender | SeanDaly: in parallel, Daniel Francis is trying to pull together new docs for Sugar v1 |
| 16:57 | SeanDaly | concerning Sugar v1 we need (but not today) to work on why it's a milestone compared to v0.94, v0.96, v0.98 |
| 16:58 | satellit | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]on_Team/Notes/1.0 |
| 16:58 | SeanDaly | walterbender: yes, I mentioned videoa but these are properly part of documentation effort |
| 16:58 | JT4sugar | walterbender, What did Bernie say about website code done during GCI can it be leveraged? |
| 16:59 | walterbender | JT4sugar: yes... it is up on the server and we can start to play with it |
| 16:59 | SeanDaly | also, from strictly marketing/PR point of view Sugar numbering system far from ideal... after v1 comes v1.02? then v1.04? v2 in 5 years, v3 in 10 years? |
| 17:00 | JT4sugar: walterbender showed it to me and I had a 30-second heart attack I thought website had been owned by crackers was just temporary filler :D | |
| 17:02 | re video: but one key video should overview Sugar to replace the one on our homepage which is old old old | |
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| 17:03 | satellit | the Help activity in f18 sugar is nice |
| 17:04 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, Much like Christians work it was modeled after the work done is meant more as a container that needs to be filled with content. Our biggest issue is and has been a way to come up with the content to fill so we can make change |
| 17:04 | SeanDaly | concerning 5. social media seeding, for now i will start to do it, ideally could find someone to monitor heartbeat |
| 17:05 | walterbender | Mariana in .MX does a nice job in general about Sugar, OLPC, learning... |
| 17:05 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: yes I understood that, copy not such a big problem (takes time but I can both write & edit), whereas visuals & videos take time |
| 17:05 | walterbender | but as soon as tch___ finishes his twitter plugin, every kid can tweet about Sugar |
| 17:05 | hint hint | |
| 17:05 | satellit | +1 |
| 17:05 | garycmartin | walterbender: +1 |
| 17:06 | SeanDaly | Sugar treat tweets |
| 17:07 | i just want to say something else about RPi | |
| 17:07 | tch___ | walterbender: +1 |
| 17:07 | SeanDaly | we don't have any non-OLPC OEMs yet, and in my view RPi would be an excellent place to start, demonstrating Sugar adaptability to non-OLPC hardware |
| 17:08 | walterbender | SeanDaly: +1 |
| 17:08 | SeanDaly: I'll pull together my contacts for you today. | |
| 17:08 | JT4sugar | SeanDaly, One avenue may be to launch new website with the process and tools so the community can make the tutorials and videos needed and be able to allow for the translation work needed. If launched just prior to 1.0 would be great way to usher in 1.0 and engage community |
| 17:08 | SeanDaly | also concerning videos: what is your point of view, should screencasts be off of XOs only, since largest installed base? |
| 17:09 | walterbender | SeanDaly: XO screencasts are pretty high-res. Maybe an 800x600 VM is better? |
| 17:09 | satellit | need a format that f18 firefox and Soas browse can see..... |
| 17:09 | SeanDaly | JT4sugar: not sure community will spontaneously make videos & tutorials... chicken & egg... I think Documentation effort for v1 can be translated into website content |
| 17:10 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: I think 'it depends' is the right response there. I'll likely use a few different methods/tools depending what I'm trying to capture. |
| 17:10 | SeanDaly | re screencasts, I'd be tempted to make 'em as small as can be still legible (or at two quality levels, smaller one still legible) |
| 17:10 | tch___ | from my experience doing my course at UNA, I found that our info is too sparse inside SL and olpc wikis |
| 17:11 | satellit | another idea I had (still content in ,pdf form on USB stick to open with read)http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]als/Tutorials.iso |
| 17:11 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: from marketing POV, cool to show stuff on different platforms. But, from documentation POV, important that (most if not all) vids can be watched on XOs |
| 17:12 | satellit: yes sorry didn't have time to look at i have lots of PDF workflow experience with pdftk and other tools, could be interesting | |
| 17:12 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Just make sure you have the originals handy. Transcode to different formats as needed for target audience. |
| 17:13 | walterbender | tch___: agreed |
| 17:13 | from both the user and developer POV | |
| 17:13 | JT4sugar | From a learning POV it would be better if you could have them in the Sugar environment through screencasts which could have text boxes that are translatable or audio which can be done in a variety of languauges |
| 17:13 | tch___ | walterbender: yup |
| 17:13 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: quite... I know the topic, day job past ten years running database with 80,000 vids |
| 17:14 | JT4sugar: was discussed at Documentation team meeting; idea is "mute" videos for now, Ikea/Lego style | |
| 17:14 | tch___ | walterbender: wikis are very useful for detailed information, but basic info could also be presented in a simplified way in the main website |
| 17:15 | SeanDaly | i18n of course possible but audio, translations etc. big job; in my view better to establish first corpus to build on |
| 17:15 | satellit | the tutorials are screenshots with narration use google ranslate to translate text in wiki http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials |
| 17:16 | tch___ | JT4sugar: +1 |
| 17:16 | garycmartin | I'm just saying it depends very much on content. Screen casts of some specific feature; video time-lapse shot of creating drawings in Paint using Touch; Touch interaction with Sugar UI (screen case vs video of users hand over screen) etc. |
| 17:16 | walterbender | FWIW, the Lego WeDo app for Sugar has the usual Lego-style tutorials, but also text (with gettext) |
| 17:17 | SeanDaly | a longtime problem with our web presence, identified in MIT Sloan Marketlab study, was very loose federation of *.sl.o websites; we had done some work on standardizing a toolbar three years back remember garycmartin? need to integrate that work (which was good) into website project |
| 17:18 | Lego WeDo is a Sugar Activity? I purchased a kit (loaned to Bastien at OLPC France assn) but only knew about TA plugin which I'm afraid I could'nt get to work :-( | |
| 17:18 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: yea a long time ago |
| 17:18 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I'd be curious why the wedo plugin didn't work :( |
| 17:19 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: yes, naturally a video demonstrating virtualization quite different from screencast demonstarting an Activity |
| 17:20 | walterbender | the Lego app is interesting in that it packs lots of tutorial info into the app |
| 17:20 | the problem is size. | |
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| 17:22 | SeanDaly | re videos, i'd like to add that the RPi SoC (system on a chip not summer of code :-) has native H.264 playback, so the little thing could handle decent video on decent screens |
| 17:23 | about website revamp, I think it is key to form a focus group with teachers to test usability as content takes shape | |
| 17:23 | walterbender | we have a good audience in the Learning Team |
| 17:23 | SeanDaly | Gerald had said following the Marketlab study that he was willing to assist with that |
| 17:23 | walterbender | (they want to test, for example, the Facebook plugin) |
| 17:24 | SeanDaly | walterbender: ah great |
| 17:24 | walterbender | SeanDaly: we meet every wednesday at 9am EST |
| 17:24 | needs to disappear in a few minutes... | |
| 17:24 | SeanDaly | walterbender: hee hee i suppose i could burn some midnight oil sometime |
| 17:25 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Yea H.264 is nice, but you have to pay a license fee to enable it (to get hardware acceleration of it). |
| 17:25 | walterbender | SeanDaly: 9am is 3pm for you??? |
| 17:25 | SeanDaly | garycmartin: my understanding is that this fee is rolled into RPi |
| 17:25 | walterbender: you're right, i'm mixed up | |
| 17:25 | walterbender | We need to stay on the FOSS side of the codec issue |
| 17:26 | SeanDaly | walterbender: yes, very aware; this is why Dailmotion channel not YouTube channel... |
| 17:26 | Dailymotion | |
| 17:26 | walterbender | we need to figure out why satellit was having issues with Dailymotion |
| 17:26 | needs to go... | |
| 17:26 | garycmartin | SeanDaly: Ah yes just reading the web site H.264, is now free, it's MPEG-2 and VC-1 you have to pay for. |
| 17:27 | SeanDaly | I need to go as well.... |
| 17:27 | MPEG-2 is uninteresting for our needs and VC-1 is irrelevant | |
| 17:28 | we covered a huge amount of ground today, I propose to work up a summary for wiki | |
| 17:28 | any other topics or questions? | |
| 17:29 | H.264 is now native in MS Windows media player (they kept it out for 5 years despite chairing tech committee, hoping for VC-1 market miracle) | |
| 17:30 | starting a countdown then... | |
| 17:30 | join in :D | |
| 17:30 | 5... | |
| 17:30 | garycmartin | 4 |
| 17:30 | JT4sugar | 3 |
| 17:30 | SeanDaly | 2 |
| 17:31 | #endmeeting | |
| 17:31 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Feb 13 17:31:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 17:31 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-13T16:04:45.html | |
| 17:31 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]13-02-13T16:04:45 | |
| 17:31 | SeanDaly | many thanks all |
| 17:31 | will wikify as soon as I can get password sorted | |
| 17:32 | garycmartin | Thanks SeanDaly |
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| 17:35 | SeanDaly | à bientôt |
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