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| 23:03 | walterbender | ClaudiaU_, cjl, GeraldA , here? |
| 23:04 | GeraldA | I am here. |
| 23:04 | walterbender | adam won't be here, but I expect everyone else |
| 23:04 | sdanielf | walterbender: present |
| 23:05 | walterbender | hi daniel |
| 23:05 | ClaudiaU should be here in a minute | |
| 23:05 | JT4sugar | Happy New Year Gerald, Walter&Daniel!! Hoping for a great 2013 for Sugar Labs-Sugar! |
| 23:06 | walterbender | gonzalo seems to be missing |
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| 23:06 | ClaudiaU | hello |
| 23:06 | walterbender | hi ClaudiaU |
| 23:06 | ClaudiaU | hello |
| 23:06 | walterbender | we have a quorum, so maybe we can get started... |
| 23:06 | I assume cjl and gonzalo will be here soon | |
| 23:06 | #start-meeting | |
| 23:06 | meeting | Meeting started Mon Jan 7 23:06:56 2013 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 23:06 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 23:07 | walterbender | welcome all to the first SLOB meeting of 2013 |
| 23:07 | and welcome to our new board members | |
| 23:08 | ClaudiaU | Thanks.. happy to be part of it! |
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| 23:08 | walterbender | before we begin, I'd like to ACK cjb, alsroot and icarito for all their contributions |
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| 23:08 | walterbender | also, a tip of the hat to Luke for running the elections. |
| 23:08 | danielf_ is now known as sdanielf | |
| 23:09 | sdanielf | walterbender, +1 |
| 23:09 | walterbender | so, a bit of business first, and then I would like to have a general discussion about SLOBs, Sugar Labs, Sugar, et al. |
| 23:09 | ClaudiaU | +1 |
| 23:09 | walterbender | I got a finance report from Robert Fadel today for 2012 |
| 23:10 | GeraldA | +1 |
| 23:10 | walterbender | I'll post it on the wiki, but in brief, we spent $6872.25 last year |
| 23:10 | and we brought in $154.45 | |
| 23:11 | but I am not too worried, as we have a budget surplus of almost $20K | |
| 23:11 | we spent money on servers and on travel for developers. | |
| 23:11 | both worthwhile | |
| 23:12 | any questions about finances? | |
| 23:12 | GeraldA | What is the source of the revenue? |
| 23:12 | ClaudiaU | ok. We may want to think about ways to bring more money... |
| 23:13 | grants, etc... so we can do things like programmers (TA) day, etc. | |
| 23:13 | walterbender | the money in the bank is from a variety of sources... the bulk of it is still from a grant that Caroline and I wrote for Sugar on a Stick projects. |
| 23:13 | GeraldA | ok. thanks. |
| 23:13 | walterbender | And a fair number of individual donations |
| 23:14 | but I agree with Claudia that we may want to raise more money... but first, we need to discuss what we want to do with money... then we can target our fund-raising efforts | |
| 23:14 | has in mind a global Sugar meeting for 2013 | |
| 23:15 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: +1 |
| 23:15 | walterbender | and more Sugar Camps (with some travel subsidies for developers and teachers) |
| 23:15 | I can try to raise some money towards those goals... but are there others? | |
| 23:15 | made a New Years resolution to do more grant writing and less Python coding | |
| 23:16 | ClaudiaU | kids should be present too... not only the developers, but other children |
| 23:16 | walterbender | worse than trying to diet :P |
| 23:16 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: haha.. |
| 23:16 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: good point |
| 23:16 | GeraldA | ClaudiaU: good point |
| 23:17 | walterbender | we are going to have a Sugar Camp early next month in the Bay Area... |
| 23:17 | Raul is hosting | |
| 23:17 | it will be small and focused... I think on cloud integration, but the theme is not completely firm | |
| 23:18 | ClaudiaU | I think we should also spend some money promoting sugar with educators... |
| 23:18 | walterbender | but so far I don't think we need SL $ for the event... maybe we will get some corporate sponsorship |
| 23:19 | GeraldA | ClaudiaU: I agree |
| 23:19 | walterbender | ClaudiaU: yes... since Sean, we have had zero promotion and marketing |
| 23:19 | maybe I can entice him back or at least have him help us recruit someone new | |
| 23:19 | ClaudiaU | sounds good |
| 23:20 | I think online chats can be one way to build community with teachers... | |
| 23:21 | walterbender | how do we get them to come o the chats? |
| 23:21 | teachers don't use IRC :p | |
| 23:21 | the Amazonas FB page is great... but that came as a consequence of a workshop | |
| 23:21 | sdanielf | walterbender, teachers don't use computers if they don't need them |
| 23:21 | ClaudiaU | we can ask our educators in countries to invite at least one teacher.... |
| 23:22 | GeraldA | I can invite some teachers as well. |
| 23:22 | walterbender | sdanielf: I disagree... but it could be my sample is skewed |
| 23:22 | ClaudiaU | and perhaps the money is spend supporting some connectivity... so they can for sure participate in their own time |
| 23:22 | walterbender | sdanielf: but they may not use computers for learning... that I agree |
| 23:23 | sdanielf | walterbender, they use them because they are useful |
| 23:23 | walterbender | sdanielf: but teachers are social, let everyone else :) |
| 23:24 | sdanielf: this actually brings me to a related topic | |
| 23:24 | ClaudiaU | we need to make it a fun experience as well as useful |
| 23:24 | and I agree with walterbender... teachers are social too | |
| 23:24 | walterbender | I am wondering if we cannot take advantage of the wealth of Sugar hackers in .UY to start a bottom-up shake up of the use of computers in the schools |
| 23:25 | if each hacker identified a couple of willing teachers, we could make a lot happen | |
| 23:25 | sdanielf | walterbender, +1 |
| 23:25 | walterbender | for example, Christofer is working with Rosamel |
| 23:25 | but I think that is not a usual example | |
| 23:26 | but it is powerful | |
| 23:26 | sdanielf: maybe you can help with this? | |
| 23:26 | sdanielf: and maybe we get Flavio involved? | |
| 23:26 | sdanielf | walterbender, yes and no |
| 23:27 | we "have" Flavio involved, but he doesn't speak English and he doesn't like using translators | |
| 23:27 | walterbender | sdanielf: I think of this effort as being in the local language (Spanish) |
| 23:28 | kids and teachers driving change in a way that Ceibal cannot | |
| 23:28 | BTW, there was a great article about the president of .UY in the NY Times this week. | |
| 23:28 | ClaudiaU | can you send the link> |
| 23:29 | ? | |
| 23:29 | walterbender | will look |
| 23:30 | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01[…]gewanted=all&_r=0 | |
| 23:30 | ClaudiaU | thanks |
| 23:30 | sdanielf | walterbender, Ceibal is a deployment a bit separated of Sugar Labs. A contribution or bugfix to the Sugar environment can be included in a Uruguayan build two years after it's released. It results frustrating for local efforts |
| 23:30 | walterbender | sdanielf: maybe you and I can discuss the details (in English) and then you can approach Flavio (and a few others) in Spanish |
| 23:31 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: I started the conversation about promoting sugar with the teacher community as additional efforts that may require money... I wonder if there are others, before we continue to talk about how to get some of these ideas going... |
| 23:31 | walterbender | sdanielf: I understand that frustration too... but I am interested in the use of the computers... |
| 23:31 | making it more interesting and more fun... | |
| 23:31 | despite the more mundane uses advocated by Ceibal | |
| 23:32 | sdanielf | sounds great |
| 23:32 | walterbender | ClaudiaU bring some concrete plans to the forum and we can discuss how to raise the money... |
| 23:32 | e.g., Turtle Art Day :) | |
| 23:33 | ClaudiaU | TA day would be great |
| 23:33 | walterbender | aside to GeraldA : no more memory leaks ? |
| 23:33 | ClaudiaU | a programming FUN course would be great too |
| 23:34 | walterbender | I really feel like we have all this great FUN stuff and even the teachers who have Sugar are not using it... |
| 23:34 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: agree! |
| 23:34 | walterbender | at least not enough |
| 23:34 | sdanielf | just an idea, let's follow a Turtle Art Day from all the countries |
| 23:34 | walterbender | had dinner with the former MoE from Peru and had lots of fun with Sugar |
| 23:35 | sdanielf: +1 | |
| 23:35 | ClaudiaU | I think TA would be one way to have fun.... 1) thinking about how to support (materials, online chat, local workshops, etc) and 2) how to show everyone's work... |
| 23:36 | walterbender | ClaudiaU that is related to the cloud integration theme I want to explore at Sugar Camp in Feb. |
| 23:36 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: great.. want to hear more |
| 23:36 | walterbender | the problem will be, how to get the bits we create into the hands of the teachers :P |
| 23:37 | ClaudiaU | with our community of educators |
| 23:37 | walterbender | rgs already has a first pass at a FB plugin... would like to make it integrated directly into the Journal |
| 23:37 | (as a plugin so you could choose your favorite social media site) | |
| 23:38 | our Wednesday community is able and willing... and we should start with them | |
| 23:38 | ClaudiaU | OLPC promoted the nickelodeon competition... and in a very short time people participated... |
| 23:39 | we need more time to make it better, but people like the idea of feeling part of a bigger movement | |
| 23:39 | walterbender | ClaudiaU but we have this chicken and egg problem... while Amazonas has made great use of social media, it is not well integrated into their everyday use of Sugar |
| 23:40 | to do that means loading new software which can be difficult (as per sdanielf 's earlier comment) | |
| 23:40 | ClaudiaU | let's start the chat of 2013 with a concrete proposal in the chat... we may recruit people and start small and grow |
| 23:40 | walterbender | I agree it is a good place to start |
| 23:41 | ClaudiaU I hope to have something for them to try the first week of Feb. Can I have the slot on the 6th? | |
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| 23:41 | ClaudiaU | all yours!!! |
| 23:41 | walterbender | are there other big themes we should be discussing? |
| 23:42 | In May, we will be releasing Sugar 1.0 | |
| 23:42 | maybe some event around that release? | |
| 23:42 | ClaudiaU | sounds good |
| 23:42 | GeraldA_ | I agree. |
| 23:43 | sdanielf | +1 |
| 23:43 | ClaudiaU | I have one more... |
| 23:43 | evaluation... for lack of a better word | |
| 23:44 | walterbender | anything specific? |
| 23:44 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: we should share our paper on making learning visible within sugar |
| 23:45 | GeraldA_ | aside to walterbender: no more memory leaks. Thanks. |
| 23:45 | walterbender | ClaudiaU are we allowed to share it? |
| 23:45 | ClaudiaU | in small groups yes... we can send to a list via email |
| 23:45 | walterbender | OK... great. let's start with SLOBs |
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| 23:45 | ClaudiaU | we can not reproduce it or include the link in a website |
| 23:45 | I will send it later | |
| 23:46 | tonyf | ClaudiaU, mee too paper please Tony Forster |
| 23:46 | JT4sugar | walterbender, Could you supply me a copy I would be interested |
| 23:46 | walterbender | will do... |
| 23:47 | wished he had an electronic copy of his book... | |
| 23:47 | maybe I can transcribe the Sugar chapter at least | |
| 23:47 | ClaudiaU | I would like to promote the tools we have in Sugar to understand learning |
| 23:48 | GeraldA_ | ClaudiaU: What tools are you referring to? |
| 23:48 | ClaudiaU | and use the same experiences to improve them and perhaps create others... |
| 23:48 | for example.. portfolio | |
| 23:48 | Chart.. to analyze journal | |
| 23:49 | walterbender | analyze journal is just scratching the surface... |
| 23:49 | GeraldA_ | ClaudiaU: So you are saying using tools within Sugar for the students to show their learning? |
| 23:49 | walterbender | also, I would like to better integrate alsroot's efforts |
| 23:49 | ClaudiaU | I think we have a wonderful group of educators... (including you, GeraldA_) and we should work with them to promote those types of efforts |
| 23:49 | walterbender | GeraldA_: exactly |
| 23:49 | ClaudiaU | show and understand.... |
| 23:50 | walterbender | be interested to get sdanielf 's POV |
| 23:50 | GeraldA_ | ClaudiaA: I agree. And thanks. |
| 23:50 | ClaudiaU | we may end up with a great collection of studies... worth a larger publication |
| 23:50 | sdanielf | walterbender, What do you mean with POV (not very good with abbreviations) |
| 23:50 | ? | |
| 23:51 | tonyf | pov point of view |
| 23:52 | walterbender | sdanielf: I am guessing you never used Portfolio in school |
| 23:52 | sdanielf | I agree with you all. I think that activities which allow the creativity of children can have lots of usages and advantages |
| 23:53 | walterbender | we are getting close to the end of our hour... I'd like to run through a few bureaucratic topics as well |
| 23:53 | ClaudiaU | ok |
| 23:53 | sdanielf | walterbender, True, portfolio wasn't in the build when I was in school |
| 23:53 | ClaudiaU | already one hour... great conversation... |
| 23:53 | walterbender | sdanielf: I wonder if it is in the .UY build even today... |
| 23:54 | ClaudiaU | sdanielf: you could be of great support at the local level... great to have you in this group |
| 23:54 | walterbender | quickly, a few things for the new comers: |
| 23:54 | ClaudiaU | walterbender: doubt it |
| 23:54 | perhaps Martin Perez wants to finish the protocol and we can translate to Spanish | |
| 23:55 | walterbender | (1) we have a private mailing list for slobs but the convention is to CC iaep unless there is a reason for privacy... it is more a convenience and archive than backchannel |
| 23:55 | (2) I log all the meeting notes in the wiki (as well as in the meeting logger) | |
| 23:56 | (3) there is some paperwork we need to take care of with the SFC | |
| 23:56 | @ sdanielf : we need to discuss with bradley the specifics of your signing stuff | |
| 23:57 | sdanielf | walterbender, sure |
| 23:57 | walterbender | (4) we tend to meet both on a regular schedule and on demand... but early in the year, it is good to meet more often |
| 23:57 | (5) please do not be shy about bringing up topics, asking questions, challenging assumptions and the status quo | |
| 23:58 | shall we plan to meet again next week again... to follow up on today's discussion? | |
| 23:58 | ClaudiaU | ok to all |
| 23:59 | GeraldA_ | ok to all as well |
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