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| 14:14 | gonzalo_ | hello ClaudiaU ! can you imagine what I will ask you? :) |
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| 15:03 | gonzalo_ | ok,is people comming to the meeting? |
| 15:04 | silbe | is here for the meeting, caspar as well |
| 15:04 | manuq | hello |
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| 15:04 | erikos | #startmeeting |
| 15:04 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Jun 19 15:04:47 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:04 | erikos | hey everybody |
| 15:05 | who is around for the dev meeting? | |
| 15:05 | silbe | and caspar still are |
| 15:05 | gonzalo_ | is here |
| 15:05 | manuq | sees silbe, caspar, gonzalo_, and himself :) |
| 15:05 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, hello.... |
| 15:05 | benzea | unusual as it may be ... I am here :-) |
| 15:05 | erikos | hey benzea |
| 15:05 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: Hi |
| 15:05 | silbe | benzea: nice to see you again! |
| 15:06 | erikos | ok, let's start |
| 15:06 | manuq | benzea: hi! |
| 15:06 | caspar | hi |
| 15:06 | m_anish | is listening |
| 15:06 | erikos | #Introducing new contributors |
| 15:06 | m_anish | erikos, #topic :P |
| 15:06 | dogi | is lurking |
| 15:06 | erikos | anyone around that is new to the ground and wants to introduce himself? |
| 15:07 | #topic Introducing new contributors | |
| 15:07 | m_anish | caspar, hi! |
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| 15:07 | cjl | waves |
| 15:07 | humitos | ok |
| 15:07 | erikos | s/ground/crowd |
| 15:08 | caspar | I am. My name is Caspar, working for Sascha. I will do some reviews, at least I am hired to do so :-)) |
| 15:08 | gonzalo_ | caspar, any area in particular? |
| 15:08 | erikos | caspar: are you part of activity central? |
| 15:09 | caspar | sugar, especially gtk3-migration |
| 15:10 | gonzalo_ | caspar, and migration of activities? |
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| 15:10 | caspar | activity central: indirectly |
| 15:10 | cjl | caspar are you going to GUADEC? |
| 15:11 | asks because there will be a GTK3 porting team there | |
| 15:11 | caspar | GUADEC: didn't intend to yet. |
| 15:12 | erikos | caspar: and you do have experience in gtk, python? |
| 15:12 | caspar: gobject-introspection | |
| 15:14 | caspar | I have some experience with both gtk and python, but that is not that important, IMO |
| 15:15 | erikos | caspar: ok, and what is important in your opinion? |
| 15:16 | btw, anyone else that wants to introduce himself? | |
| 15:16 | manuq | caspar: welcome |
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| 15:17 | manuq | danielf: hi |
| 15:17 | danielf | everybody: ^^ |
| 15:17 | manuq | danielf: do you want to introduce yourself? |
| 15:17 | erikos | hey danielf |
| 15:18 | caspar | I will not code, I just need to understand the changes |
| 15:18 | danielf | manuq: ok, How do I do it? |
| 15:19 | manuq | danielf: just tell us about you, what are your interests? |
| 15:20 | erikos | danielf: just tell us what your interests are, what you will work on |
| 15:20 | cjl | danielf: list your countrys ISO-3166 code and the ISO-639 codes of any languages you speak |
| 15:20 | jsut kidding | |
| 15:20 | erikos | danielf: and maybe where you are from :) |
| 15:20 | gonzalo_ | is in a long yoga session this week |
| 15:20 | erikos | caspar: ok, sounds all a bit bizarre to me, tbh |
| 15:21 | gonzalo_ | caspar, yeah, may be you can start understanding the problem |
| 15:21 | caspar, formal reviews can be done with a script .... | |
| 15:21 | caspar, no ofense | |
| 15:21 | silbe | erikos: I'm pretty confident he'll do as well as I do reviewing GTK related patches. I've known him for a long time. |
| 15:22 | danielf | manuq, erikos, cjl: ok, my name's Daniel Francis, I'm from Uruguay, (contributor in CeibalJAM) |
| 15:22 | caspar | gonzalo_: none taken. |
| 15:22 | manuq | danielf: how old are you? |
| 15:23 | danielf | I'm thirteen |
| 15:23 | manuq | danielf: you are doing the GT3 porting of Terminal, right? |
| 15:23 | gonzalo_ | danielf, great to see you here |
| 15:23 | erikos | danielf: fantastic, it is great to have you on board here |
| 15:23 | benzea | gonzalo_: I do think it is possible to do code review, even without fully understanding everything; you can find weird things, and look things up if they don't make sense right away |
| 15:24 | danielf | manuq: yes, now working in the DragAndDrop/Clipboard utility |
| 15:24 | cjl | danielf welcome aboard |
| 15:25 | danielf | cjl: thanks |
| 15:25 | manuq | danielf: so you are the same Daniel Francis that I know :) |
| 15:25 | gonzalo_ | benzea, ok, will see |
| 15:25 | manuq | danielf: great to see you here |
| 15:26 | benzea | gonzalo_: yeah |
| 15:26 | gonzalo_ | benzea, my point is, probably is better work with the code before starting to review code |
| 15:27 | erikos | silbe: and yourself, you don't want to do reviews anymore? |
| 15:27 | silbe | erikos: we're both going to do reviews |
| 15:29 | danielf: welcome to the team! | |
| 15:29 | benzea | gonzalo_: true, one needs to learn the codebase; and one way to do that is to actually write patches and fix problems. And I do hope that caspar will do that :-) |
| 15:30 | erikos | silbe: as long as review and ack are two different things, caspar is frre to review code of course |
| 15:31 | caspar | I will not ACK, just review. |
| 15:32 | cjl | likes the idea of apprenticeships and mentoring into the greater mysteries fo Sugar :-) |
| 15:32 | erikos | caspar: good job you got then, no trouble with reponsability ;p |
| 15:32 | gonzalo_ | silbe, caspar, should be great if you can review the work in activities too, in particular the activities maintained by AC http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ate_of_Activities |
| 15:33 | erikos | gonzalo_: good point |
| 15:34 | cjl | gonzalo_: Lots of work to do there, good training ground |
| 15:34 | caspar | erikos: I was asked to join a few days ago. I have many other things to handle so I will start with reviews. I didn't say anything about code contributions and other tasks in the future. |
| 15:35 | silbe | gonzalo_: that's something we'll need to discuss later, when we have a better idea of how much work reviewing Glucose patches for the upcoming GTK3 port will be. The latter takes priority. But we will help even on the activity side if it's possible, of course. |
| 15:36 | erikos | btw, manuq and myself we discussed maintainership so we can split up the load, from his contributions it makes sense to get him on board as a maintainer to sugar-artwork and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 |
| 15:37 | benzea | erikos: makes sense |
| 15:38 | erikos | benzea: yeah, good to have you here today as another artwork-maintainer |
| 15:38 | benzea | yeah, was just wondering whether I am still on the list :-) |
| 15:39 | erikos | benzea: of course you can decide, if you want to take a silence maintainership for example ;p |
| 15:40 | manuq | should I start ccing artwork patches to both of you? |
| 15:40 | erikos | manuq: for me is fine if they go onto the ml |
| 15:40 | benzea | hm, then I would actually see them all (I don't follow the list much ...) |
| 15:41 | manuq | erikos: yes, to:sugar-devel cc: erikos is what I've been doing |
| 15:41 | erikos | manuq: with your knowledge in the previous port parts you are of course as well needed by the shell port |
| 15:42 | manuq: actually i think you could help maintaining there as well ;p | |
| 15:42 | manuq | I'm glad to help in that front |
| 15:42 | erikos | silbe: and comments from your side, re adding manu as maintainer to those modules? |
| 15:42 | manuq | benzea: sure, I will start ccing you as well |
| 15:43 | erikos | benzea: great, if you then have a spare moment, your commenst are always welcome |
| 15:44 | benzea | erikos: sure, shouldn't be too much work to have a quick look, though I have to admit that I don't know the gtk3 theme that well ... |
| 15:44 | erikos | benzea: ok, we can change that ;p |
| 15:44 | silbe | erikos: it's your choice. I'm not a maintainer for sugar-toolkit-gtk3 and haven't reviewed sugar-artwork patches so far (they're too deep in GTK mystery land). |
| 15:44 | erikos | benzea: actually are you going to GUADEC this year? |
| 15:45 | silbe: and about the shell (sugar module)? | |
| 15:45 | benzea | erikos: nah, I can't take the time off from this internship I am doing :-( |
| 15:45 | erikos | benzea: sigh |
| 15:46 | benzea | I would be more likely to go somewhere for a weekend .... |
| 15:46 | silbe | erikos: Having many people who can ack' patches muddles the waters. It leads to either disagreements and confusement resulting from one person ack'ing the patch and the other refusing it and / or stalled patches because nobody feels responsible. |
| 15:46 | erikos | benzea: we can see if we can do a camp this year at some point |
| 15:47 | benzea | we'll see |
| 15:47 | silbe | s/confusement/confusion/ |
| 15:47 | erikos | silbe: sure there is this risk, but from my experience this can work |
| 15:48 | silbe: we had it like that before and it was less pressure for everyone | |
| 15:48 | silbe: of course if would be 10 people maintaining...;p | |
| 15:48 | silbe | erikos: I'm less confident about it than you are. |
| 15:49 | erikos | silbe: you can think about it, don't want to overrun you here |
| 15:49 | dnarvaez | from a new contributor perspective it would be cool if patches was replied to quickly, more maintainers will likely help that |
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| 15:50 | gonzalo_ | dnarvaez, +1 |
| 15:50 | erikos | is remembered of dnarvaez' open patch |
| 15:50 | dnarvaez | erikos it was not my intention :P |
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| 15:50 | erikos | :) |
| 15:51 | silbe | dnarvaez: quick review replies don't depend on the person doing the review to have ack "rights". quite the contrary, the more reviews are done before one of the maintainers looks at the patch, the more likely it is to be in good shape. |
| 15:52 | dnarvaez | silbe quick non-ack reviews are cool too, but quick ack is more imo, especially if you are new |
| 15:52 | gonzalo_ | silbe, but waiting for only one person with "rights" to ack is not healty for a project |
| 15:52 | caspar | how many people do ack? |
| 15:53 | gonzalo_ | right now erikos and silbe, right? |
| 15:53 | silbe | dnarvaez: Caspar and I have reviewed your gnome-keyring related patch today, BTW. We did the review offline and will reply via email later. Thanks for your patch, it's looking good, just a few improvements on the non-code side would be useful. |
| 15:53 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes |
| 15:53 | gonzalo_ | in the past was tomeu too |
| 15:53 | dnarvaez | silbe awesome thanks |
| 15:54 | erikos | gonzalo_: past-past ;p |
| 15:54 | manuq | dnarvaez: good to see you here, maybe you can introduce yourself next meeting, seems that your interests cover development environments :) |
| 15:54 | dnarvaez | manuq will do :) |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | erikos, it's true |
| 15:54 | cjl | notes tah buildbot is back in operation, no L10n chokes |
| 15:55 | erikos | cjl: yeah!!! |
| 15:55 | dnarvaez: thanks a lot for that work! | |
| 15:55 | cjl | erikos, thanks for the branching, I think it was the key |
| 15:56 | erikos | cjl: yeah, we are getting there, thanks for all that hard work |
| 15:56 | dnarvaez | cjl builds should be triggered automatically now |
| 15:56 | erikos :) | |
| 15:56 | cjl | will slowly feed in some more L10n commits to finish off rolling sugar-base strings into sugar-toolkit-gtk3 |
| 15:56 | erikos | dnarvaez: is it public already? |
| 15:57 | cjl | http://176.58.108.37:8010/waterfall |
| 15:57 | dnarvaez | erikos it's still on my machine, waiting for bernie to give me root on the machines we will use |
| 15:57 | erikos | perfect! |
| 15:58 | great, I think it was nice to have a bit of a more informal meeting today | |
| 15:58 | without to many hard topics on the agenda | |
| 15:59 | cjl | hard topics will come :-)\ |
| 15:59 | erikos | a lot of improvements those days, on many areas, infrastructure, people, translations... |
| 15:59 | and I am currently working on the shell port myself, so stay tuned for patches | |
| 16:00 | manuq | erikos: interesting! |
| 16:00 | gonzalo_ | good, we need more hands (and brains oc course :) ) |
| 16:00 | cjl | erikos, please ping me if you know of a commit tha twill cahnge strings, I want to keep a close eye on the Poolte branch as it begins to diverge |
| 16:01 | erikos | cjl: yes, I will do my best to do so |
| 16:01 | cjl | thanks |
| 16:01 | Just the first one or tow | |
| 16:02 | silbe | erikos: looking forward to your patches. |
| 16:02 | erikos | great, so let's close here |
| 16:03 | ---no action items today--- | |
| 16:03 | ajay | raises his hand. |
| 16:03 | erikos | school finishes early! |
| 16:03 | ajay: yes, please | |
| 16:03 | was so close to finish the meeting :) | |
| 16:03 | ajay | erikos: any news regarding http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3605 ? |
| 16:04 | erikos | ajay: if we would have more maintainers..., sigh |
| 16:04 | ajay | erikos: i am sorry erikos.. I didn't quite understand :\ |
| 16:05 | erikos | ajay: sorry, I was half kidding |
| 16:05 | ajay | erikos: :D |
| 16:06 | erikos: so perhaps I should send to silbe/manuq for final ack? (Just querying.. no offense meant) | |
| 16:06 | erikos | ajay: sure, silbe can review/ack |
| 16:07 | silbe | ajay: as mentioned before, I'm not convinced we're not opening ourselves up for a race conditon here. We should figure out why the mountpoint property is missing in this particular case, instead of working around the potential lack but still keeping the property around. |
| 16:07 | erikos | would be appreciated from my side |
| 16:08 | ok, you can sort this out after the meeting, I preume | |
| 16:08 | 3 | |
| 16:09 | starts short countdonw | |
| 16:09 | short meeting = short countdown | |
| 16:09 | m_anish | 2.000000000001 (damn floats) |
| 16:09 | silbe | 1.90 |
| 16:09 | m_anish | :P |
| 16:09 | ajay | 1.00000001 |
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| 16:10 | erikos | knows now what people do in their free time |
| 16:10 | 0 | |
| 16:10 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:10 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Jun 19 16:10:14 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:10 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-19T15:04:47.html | |
| 16:10 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]12-06-19T15:04:47 | |
| 16:10 | erikos | thanks for joining! |
| 16:10 | cjl | ERR: Cannot divide by zero |
| 16:10 | silbe | for the newcomers: the purpose of the countdown is to ensure we don't close the meeting before everybody is still typing. |
| 16:10 | m_anish | cjl, lol |
| 16:10 | ajay | cjl: :D |
| 16:10 | garycmartin | garycmartin: thanks folks! |
| 16:11 | cjl | hasta la vista |
| 16:11 | silbe | so we'd start with the number of people who participated in the meeting and everybody counts down by one. |
| 16:11 | caspar | bye |
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| 16:11 | humitos | bye |
| 16:11 | benzea | good bye |
| 16:12 | silbe | have a nice $daytime everyone! |
| 16:12 | m_anish | goes to find some food |
| 16:13 | silbe | m_anish: bon apo |
| 16:14 | m_anish | silbe, thx |
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| 16:18 | m_anish | hmm, intel came out with an x86 based smartphone running android. ARM has competition. |
| 16:21 | silbe | m_anish: no serious competition, though ;) |
| 16:21 | m_anish | silbe, well i'd be very interested to know how they got to the ARM power consumption point |
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| 16:22 | m_anish | silbe, intel has many billons lying around and it wudn't want to lose dominance of the semiconductor industry |
| 16:22 | cjl | remembers batterie size on old brick cell-phones :-) |
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| 16:22 | m_anish | xolo.in (is what /me is talking about) |
| 16:23 | and strangely, its been released first in India, where people are generally _very_ picky abt buying expensive stuff | |
| 16:23 | silbe | m_anish: isn't Intel still manufacturing ARM processors? i960 and the like? |
| 16:23 | m_anish | silbe, i don't think so |
| 16:23 | silbe | interesting |
| 16:23 | m_anish | silbe, they could buy a lot of IP's from ARM, but I dont think they would be building an ARM 'processor' |
| 16:25 | anyways, interesting times ahead... at the time when everyone building anything smaller than a netbook seems to be moving to arm, intel comes out with this | |
| 16:25 | s/everyone/everyone (including OLPC)/ ;) | |
| 16:25 | silbe | well, they could try the SoC market, though it's pretty crowded by now. But an x86 based processor in a small mobile device? I'm curious how large the loss will be... |
| 16:26 | m_anish | silbe, dont think the SoC market that uses x86 is particularly crowded, ARM, PPC is another story though |
| 16:26 | silbe | m_anish: I meant the ARM based one |
| 16:26 | m_anish | silbe, ah right! |
| 16:27 | silbe, well, that's what they seem to be doing, an alternative SoC to ARM :-) | |
| 16:27 | silbe, i'll be visiting a mobile store soon to see if I can play around with it | |
| 16:28 | silbe | m_anish: have fun! |
| 16:28 | m_anish | silbe, yep, same to you, ttyl! |
| 16:28 | bernie | m_anish, silbe: there's nothing inherently more power efficient in the arm instruction set. it's just that the x86 chips are specialized for the PC market which asks for performance and features rather than power efficiency |
| 16:29 | silbe | bernie: I tend to disagree, but maybe todays processor are indeed complex enough that it doesn't make that much of a difference. |
| 16:29 | m_anish | bernie, that seems to be changing, the intel chip spec sheet talks of 'power islands' in the chip and idle-with-CPU-off, i guess they threw time, money and effort on that front |
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| 16:30 | m_anish | silbe, CPU is definitely the most power-hungry component in an SoC even now, but that is slowly reducing in percent, as more complex IP's crop up (for eg: an 1080p decoder/encoder, etc.) |
| 16:31 | bernie | silbe: yes, exactly. the exact ISA of a processor really doesn't matter all the much. and besides, x86 has one of the smallest code size of all modern processors. |
| 16:31 | m_anish | silbe, i think on a PPC chip I worked on, it was about 30-50% of the overall power consumption of the chip (depending on CPU usage) |
| 16:31 | bernie | silbe: Compare x86 linux binaries with binaries for risc processors and you'll be surprised. In some cases it's even 2x worse. |
| 16:32 | silbe: larger code => more code cache misses => slower execution & more power use | |
| 16:32 | silbe: but arm is also pretty compact, especially with is one uses the thumb instruction set. we | |
| 16:33 | silbe: we're talking about very *minor* differences here. what matters the most is the ability to dynamically turn off units and slow down clocks at runtime | |
| 16:34 | m_anish | bernie, silbe what I realized was that there is a lot of elbow-room in optimizing the power consumption of an SoC with innovation. People tend to focus more on changing semiconductor gate-size IMO, whereas one can really work on optimizing the way things work inside an SoC. (I cannot even begin to describe how bad the main bus arbitration was in some Freescale chips :-) ) |
| 16:34 | bernie, +1 | |
| 16:34 | (re last comment) | |
| 16:34 | silbe | bernie: I was assuming similar hardware capabilities, esp. regarding clock gating and the likes |
| 16:35 | cjl | bernie amybe for a future dev meeting you'd like to write up and float your idea about a separate L10n branch structure to reduce those pesky Pootle commits in the logs. |
| 16:36 | m_anish | oops should not have said that on a logged channel ;-) |
| 16:36 | cjl | I have some reservations given the additional human intervention needed and the desire to have langs (e.g. Spanish) early in dev build testing. |
| 16:37 | But I will go with the consensus as long as it works in the end of the day. | |
| 16:37 | bernie | m_anish: yup. sometimes it's an art of distributing functions among units that can perform them more cheaply than a generic processor. the amiga mastered this in the '80s with its custom multimedia coprocessors. |
| 16:38 | cjl: yup, i'd love to. | |
| 16:39 | cjl | bernie: I know there would be some interest in having L10n commits better vetted for build-breaking issues. |
| 16:39 | m_anish | bernie, agree! Its about how smart the other IP's are in the SoC, so they don't keep the power-hungry CPU busy all the time. Its also about how the main system bus policies are, and (increasingly) about modeling how the software is going to use the chip and optimizing it in that way. Like I said, lots of elbow-room people don't particularly pay attention to, because the damn gate sizes keep reducing changing the baseline ;-) |
| 16:41 | bernie | cjl: what alternatives were discussed so far? my fist thought would be pushing to a "pootle" branch and making the buildbot make an additional build from it |
| 16:41 | cjl: then, make the maintainer merge in from pootle from time to time, when the build is green | |
| 16:41 | cjl | bernie: BTW, sorry in advance, but I plan to do more commits to sugar-toolkit-gtk3, (rolling in existing sugar-base strings), so I will be "spamming #sugar via CIA-99. :-( |
| 16:41 | bernie | cjl: and if people want to test the translations faster, they can pick the builds from the buildbot. we just need to make it crank out the rpms |
| 16:42 | cjl: argh!!! :-) | |
| 16:42 | cjl: why not just one big commit? | |
| 16:42 | dnarvaez | pootle -> gerrit -> buildbot -> push would be awesome |
| 16:42 | cjl | bernie with the buildbot working, I will try another big commit today. At least I can get fast feedback |
| 16:43 | bernie | m_anish: i wish linux desktops had a way to account power to processes so i'd know which ones i should kick from my system. |
| 16:43 | cjl | I do not think it was the mass pushes tha caused the issue anyway wit haym, ID and km |
| 16:43 | bernie | m_anish: right now, compiz is where i'd point my finger to. i often see it churn in top. |
| 16:44 | m_anish | bernie, the closest you'd get to that is probably powertop |
| 16:44 | it counts wakes/sec and estimates power acc. to that | |
| 16:45 | bernie | cjl: yeah. smaller commits do not help reduce breakage. they may make it user to bisect when it's unclear where a regression originated, but for translations i can't see how it wouldn't be very evident |
| 16:46 | cjl | bernie I was t ohonor silbe's request to minimize big pushes, but I'll try one mor enow and follow closely |
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| 16:47 | cjl | And I will (as always) be reviewing pofilter checks to look for obvious build-breakers 9printf and mismatched ternimal newline) |
| 16:47 | dnarvaez | cjl why big pushes are an issue? |
| 16:47 | bernie | cjl, silbe: the "change one thing a time" mantra exists to ease reviews and regression hunting, both of which don't apply to strings. |
| 16:47 | cjl | I asked the Pootel (Translate Toolkit) folks for a special pofilter chek for mismatched terminal newline, no action yet. |
| 16:48 | dnarvaez: I am not convinced they really are wit hstrings. | |
| 16:48 | dnarvaez | same here :) |
| 16:48 | bernie | silbe: these small commits from pootle are a huge nuisance in the git changelog. they're mostly noise and hide the real commits |
| 16:48 | cjl | string pushes are massively parllel, not serial |
| 16:49 | The key I think is getting quick feedback on a given lang that may have an issue. | |
| 16:49 | m_anish | -> afk |
| 16:49 | cjl | That lang would have an issue whether ciommitted singly or in bulk and tracking it only requres the lang code. |
| 16:53 | silbe | bernie: yeah, I rather like per-app power consumption breakdown view the Android has. powertop is a useful tool on stock Linux, but doesn't really compare. |
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| 16:55 | silbe | cjl: I think it was bernie requesting that (or maybe walterbender?), but I certainly agree that minimizing commits as much as sensible (i.e. without introducing too much of a lag) would be a good thing. |
| 16:56 | cjl | silbe ok, I thought it was your request. |
| 16:56 | I'd like to try one more carefull ywatched big commit today. | |
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| 16:57 | cjl | I've done enough individual ones (with buildbot success) to have some confidence in it. |
| 16:57 | bernie | silbe: yes the per-app power stats are AWESOME. android really has cool geeky features that normal users can understand |
| 16:57 | silbe: i wish sugar was the same way | |
| 16:58 | cjl | And wit hthe automatic triggers working in buildbot (thanks dnarvaez ), I will have feedback in about 12 minutes. |
| 16:58 | But first I need to do some reviewing and string transfers in Pootle before I try it. | |
| 16:59 | silbe | bernie: +1 there's a lot we could learn from Android (though of course with the risk of violating software patents, like Android itself is doing). |
| 17:00 | bernie: but right now, I'm glad to even keep Sugar working in the face of major upstream changes. We're too few developers and doing too much ourselves (in Sugar). | |
| 17:01 | bernie | silbe: we can violate sw patents even if we write code from a cellar without windows |
| 17:02 | (and internet connection of course0 | |
| 17:02 | cjl | bernie, only if you try to distribute it. |
| 17:03 | The whole point of patents is disclosure in exchange for exclusive economic rights. | |
| 17:05 | silbe | bernie: sure. but it's a lot easier if you take direct inspiration from products done by software giants :) |
| 17:08 | cjl | bernie, So why have th etop and side bars of wiki.sl.o disappearred for me? |
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| 17:39 | bernie | silbe: indeed. talent imitates, genius steals. |
| 17:42 | about cjl's problem with the wiki... some users had the skin still set to "shikiwiki", which is no longer supported. i changed them all to "vector" | |
| 17:42 | cjl | thanks bernie |
| 17:43 | For a while ther eI was typing raw wiki URLs to get where I needed :-) | |
| 17:43 | bernie | cjl: it's that easy with mediawiki: |
| 17:43 | php maintenance/userOptions.php skin --old shikiwiki --new vector | |
| 17:43 | cjl: this is what i consider a maintainable webapp | |
| 17:43 | cjl | slightly scaed tha the knew how to navigate with raw wiki URLs |
| 17:43 | bernie | haha |
| 17:43 | cjl | s/scaed/scared/ |
| 17:44 | So bernie, I hear they are changing MediaWiki to use Django. . . | |
| 17:44 | plugs ears for scream | |
| 17:44 | just kidding | |
| 17:45 | bernie | AAAARGH!!! |
| 17:57 | ClaudiaU | gonzalo_: |
| 17:58 | I just received the first couple of sequences.. | |
| 17:58 | I am expecting 6 total | |
| 17:58 | gonzalo_ | ClaudiaU, ok |
| 17:58 | ClaudiaU | I will have to start driving to the airport in a few minutes... |
| 17:58 | I will be able to pass them once I get there | |
| 17:59 | gonzalo_ | ClaudiaU, ok |
| 18:33 | silbe | bernie: thx (I probably was affected as well, there were some warnings lately that sounded like what you fixed) |
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