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| 14:47 | erikos | #startmeeting |
| 14:47 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Jun 12 14:47:04 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:47 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:47 | erikos | tracks the 'in-the-room-comers'... |
| 14:48 | bernie | lurks |
| 14:56 | m_anish | listens |
| 14:57 | we're starting before time :P | |
| 14:57 | garycmartin | waves |
| 14:58 | gonzalo_ | hello all! |
| 14:59 | m_anish | silbe`away, is ill (and probably won't make today's meeting) |
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| 15:00 | humitos | hola |
| 15:01 | gonzalo_ | any newcomer present? |
| 15:04 | erikos | hey, hell oeverybody |
| 15:05 | garycmartin | erikos: hi |
| 15:05 | erikos | uff, too fast typing |
| 15:05 | gonzalo_: good point, let's go to the first topic! | |
| 15:05 | humitos | erikos: hello |
| 15:05 | erikos | #topic Introducing new contributors |
| 15:05 | gonzalo_ | erikos is angry.... :) |
| 15:06 | erikos | anyone around who is new to the crowd and want to introduce himself? |
| 15:06 | gonzalo_: ohh, no not at all ;p | |
| 15:07 | manuq_ | seems like we can go on to the next topic |
| 15:08 | erikos | yes |
| 15:08 | manuq_ | maybe next week :) |
| 15:08 | erikos | #topic Update list of action items |
| 15:08 | manuq_: :) | |
| 15:08 | manuq_ | hopes new people discover sugar |
| 15:08 | erikos | as announced last week, we want to keep track of progress on the action item list |
| 15:09 | let's see: | |
| 15:09 | * garycmartin to proove that Clock is not broken | |
| 15:09 | garycmartin | OK so Clock is borken ;) |
| 15:09 | erikos | gary, you are close, right? |
| 15:09 | garycmartin | (broken even) |
| 15:09 | erikos | garycmartin: :) |
| 15:10 | garycmartin | erikos: So two issues with Clock |
| 15:10 | erikos | garycmartin: does that mean, you did not do your action item? ;p |
| 15:10 | or better, you did not succeed ;p | |
| 15:10 | manuq_ | garycmartin: sorry other tasks kept me away from the issue |
| 15:10 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, changing to gettext does not solve the issue? |
| 15:11 | garycmartin | 1) pgettext is not a happy bunny, there is a Sugar fix as of 0.92.0 but using that would break compatibility with existing users |
| 15:12 | 2) a pep8 patch cleaning up the formatting of code broke many strings and stopped the TRANS: comments form appearing in pootle. | |
| 15:13 | gonzalo_ | ouch |
| 15:14 | erikos | garycmartin: ok, I guess you can break with the exisiting users when you port over to gtk3 |
| 15:15 | garycmartin | I landed a patch last night that takes out pgettext and replaces it with the more usual gettext calls. There were no specific strings that required disambiguation that I could find (i.e. same text in different places needing potentially different translations), and the TRANS: comments are back so that should help localisers understand a little more what the strings are for. |
| 15:16 | erikos | garycmartin: ok, I guess now you need cjl's help for porting the strings over? |
| 15:16 | garycmartin | So I need to see if clj will now come and shout at me for a while for any pootle breakage! ;) |
| 15:17 | (pinged him last night before I pushed the patch, so he is at least expecting 'something') | |
| 15:17 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, erikos probably next Clock will be in 12.2.0 anyway, right? |
| 15:18 | erikos | gonzalo_: I would hope so, yes |
| 15:18 | garycmartin | has no idea how the original author managed to get this to work, might have even been manually editing the .pot file. |
| 15:18 | manuq_ | hehe |
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| 15:18 | manuq_ | good work, garycmartin |
| 15:18 | gonzalo_ | thougt garycmartin was the original author :) |
| 15:19 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: Do you not think another Clock version can land for 12.1? It's a pretty big glitch if Spanish and other strings are missing... |
| 15:20 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, you will need convince dsd :) (not easy) |
| 15:20 | erikos | garycmartin: if it only fixes this, and does not introduce new things |
| 15:20 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: good point ;) |
| 15:20 | erikos | garycmartin: ok, so you are on it, I will leave it on the list until it is fixed ;p |
| 15:20 | manuq_ | otherwise, go back to previous working clock |
| 15:21 | erikos | but I am happy with all the progress |
| 15:21 | garycmartin | erikos: Yes, I'm just trying to fix the translation issue. |
| 15:21 | manuq_ | however, the new one fixes other things |
| 15:21 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, but yes, try to include only important fixes |
| 15:21 | erikos | garycmartin: perfect |
| 15:21 | * manuq follow up on humitos list of non-translated activities | |
| 15:21 | manuq_ | ok, so we have a wiki page |
| 15:22 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]anslatedBuildOs13 | |
| 15:22 | this is the new one, for os13 | |
| 15:22 | erikos | manuq_: yes, very good |
| 15:22 | manuq_ | in the old one, the diagnostic of each issue was made: |
| 15:22 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]anslatedBuildOs12 | |
| 15:22 | gonzalo_ | dirakx, ^^ look at os13 state |
| 15:23 | garycmartin | manuq_: I'm not sure how far back we would need to go, certainly at least last year (the pep8 things broke in Dec 2011), and I've fixed the speaking clock recently for 12.1 that would fail again... |
| 15:23 | manuq_ | erikos: now I think we can diagnose the pending issues |
| 15:23 | (garycmartin: exactly, that was what I was talking about) | |
| 15:24 | we know about Clock already | |
| 15:24 | HelloWorld... is it intentionally untranslated, right? | |
| 15:25 | pippy... who is the maintainer? | |
| 15:25 | erikos | manuq_: I think pippy and terminal are the ones left |
| 15:25 | manuq_: for (12.1.0) at least | |
| 15:26 | manuq_ | terminal.. dirakx your help would be welcome here |
| 15:26 | erikos: yes | |
| 15:26 | erikos: so, action? | |
| 15:26 | erikos | manuq_: action would be to track someone down to do the two remaining activities |
| 15:26 | manuq_: who maintains pippy? | |
| 15:27 | dirakx | manuq_: I already did a release of terminal and pippy. |
| 15:27 | erikos | dirakx: hurray |
| 15:27 | gonzalo_ | dirakx, thanks! |
| 15:27 | manuq_ | dirakx: great! |
| 15:27 | gonzalo_ | then only need test |
| 15:27 | erikos | can someone test this and then make sure it appears in 12.1.0? |
| 15:27 | dirakx | gonzalo_: +1 |
| 15:27 | erikos | (file ticket or whatever is needed) |
| 15:27 | dirakx | what i did is making sure of mos. |
| 15:27 | manuq_ | erikos: count with me for that |
| 15:27 | erikos | dirakx: perfect |
| 15:27 | manuq_: thanks | |
| 15:27 | gonzalo_ | humitos, can you check the last versions of terminal and pippy? |
| 15:28 | erikos | #ACTION manuq to test pippy and terminal and make sure it appears in 12.1.0 |
| 15:28 | humitos | gonzalo_: the latest version you mean? |
| 15:28 | erikos | removes the old action item then |
| 15:28 | humitos | on os13? or in ASLO? |
| 15:28 | gonzalo_ | humitos, manuq won the task :) |
| 15:28 | erikos | * Gonzalo will have a look at #3407 #3388 |
| 15:28 | humitos: you must be quicker! | |
| 15:29 | gonzalo_ | good, i have updated #3388, any comment about that? |
| 15:30 | part of the issue noted in #3407 is solved with the proposed change | |
| 15:30 | humitos | erikos: I need more Quaker to be quicker |
| 15:31 | gonzalo_ | and also #3562 is related |
| 15:31 | humitos | good news: my bug report about reorder is fixed! :) |
| 15:32 | gonzalo_ | wow |
| 15:32 | manuq_ | gonzalo_: #3388 I will give it another look today |
| 15:32 | gonzalo_ | manuq_, great |
| 15:33 | erikos | manuq_: yes, we have to find out the issue first before we should touch/fix it |
| 15:33 | gonzalo_: thanks for all your effort | |
| 15:33 | manuq_ | yes |
| 15:34 | erikos | * Manuel will have a look at #3561 to do in the theme |
| 15:34 | gonzalo_ | erikos, it's dificult understand why we have that 1 px difference |
| 15:34 | erikos | gonzalo_: yeah, I know :/ |
| 15:35 | manuq_: can you follow up on that one? | |
| 15:35 | manuq_ | erikos: yes |
| 15:35 | erikos | manuq_: we just keep it on the list |
| 15:35 | cool | |
| 15:36 | * humitos will have a look at the patches at #3605 | |
| 15:36 | m_anish | gonzalo_, probably a gtk bug? (re: #3561) |
| 15:36 | humitos | erikos: is that the next topic? |
| 15:36 | erikos | humitos: so you did try it, happy with the patch? |
| 15:36 | manuq_ | humitos: yes |
| 15:36 | humitos | here is my report: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3605#comment:8 |
| 15:36 | erikos | humitos: yes |
| 15:37 | m_anish | humitos, feel free to ping ajay on that (#3605) |
| 15:37 | erikos | humitos: thanks, and the code itself, happy with it, too? |
| 15:37 | ajay | humitos, m_anish: i will be happy to offer any help. |
| 15:37 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, a theming issue |
| 15:37 | m_anish | gonzalo_, ok |
| 15:38 | humitos | erikos: I can't confirm that because I don't know the code... I mean, I can't judge it |
| 15:38 | erikos | humitos: well, that is the interesting part ;p |
| 15:38 | humitos | erikos: it looks to be simple, but I don't know if it's OK, so so or ... |
| 15:38 | I mean, the Sugar code | |
| 15:39 | ajay | erikos, humitos: the code simply sets the global mount-point, whenever the user clicks on any icon in the bottom journal panel tray |
| 15:40 | erikos, humitos: and it is then used to retrieve the "metadata" property, of a particular entry (being "detail viewed | |
| 15:40 | erikos | ok, I will follow up, thanks humitos for that |
| 15:40 | humitos | erikos: welcome, and sorry |
| 15:40 | erikos | #ACTION erikos to follow up on #3605 |
| 15:40 | ajay: thanks for the details | |
| 15:41 | * erikos to review and push #3406 | |
| 15:41 | I have done | |
| 15:41 | ajay | erikos, humitos: thanks to you too. and to humitos for verifying the results. |
| 15:41 | erikos | * gonzalo look at soas for development of actviities |
| 15:42 | * erikos posting his fedora-jhbuild patches | |
| 15:42 | * erikos working on Fedora 17 jhbuild | |
| 15:42 | those we can handle now in the env section | |
| 15:42 | gonzalo_ | good, i have downloaded soas and tried run Boxes in F17 to create a vm, but without success yet |
| 15:44 | now i downloaded VirtualBox to try it | |
| 15:44 | erikos | gonzalo_: so creating boxes did fail |
| 15:44 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes |
| 15:44 | erikos | ok, I presume you did find all the documentation? |
| 15:44 | gonzalo_ | anybody has tryed use Boxes in F17? |
| 15:45 | m_anish | gonzalo_, what's the issue with the activity? |
| 15:46 | erikos | gonzalo_: I think fedora infra has some issues atm but: http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&[…]vy9GscY7Q&cad=rja |
| 15:46 | m_anish | gonzalo_, I just downloaded, and it boots up fine (atleast) |
| 15:46 | erikos | gonzalo_: aeh http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]05-17_Gnome_Boxes |
| 15:46 | maybe that helps | |
| 15:46 | gonzalo_ | erikos, thanks |
| 15:46 | m_anish, are you talking about Develop? | |
| 15:47 | m_anish | gonzalo_, Boxes |
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| 15:47 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, starts, but I can't create a vm |
| 15:47 | erikos | gonzalo_: maybe peter has an idea as well |
| 15:47 | never used it to give a better report :/ | |
| 15:48 | m_anish | gonzalo_, is there a bug report. FWIW, I'm on f17/jhbuild and Boxes starts up fine. I finished a game just now (which I lost), but that works too. |
| 15:49 | erikos | gonzalo_: looks like m_anish has the magic for you ;p |
| 15:49 | I did post my Fedora jhbuild patch | |
| 15:49 | so that one is done as well | |
| 15:49 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, ok, can i ping you after the meeting to check that? |
| 15:49 | m_anish | gonzalo_, sure, erikos :) |
| 15:49 | erikos | gonzalo_: want to talk about: Porting of activities (GTK2 + Pygtk ---> GTK3 + gobject-introspction/pygobject) ? |
| 15:50 | :) | |
| 15:50 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes |
| 15:50 | i have updated the page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ate_of_Activities | |
| 15:50 | manuq_ | (dirakx: just tested pippy and terminal, terminal is ok, pippy 47 still has translation issues) |
| 15:50 | erikos | great |
| 15:51 | gonzalo_ | organized the activities in groups, based in what we talked with dirakx in montevideo |
| 15:51 | by activities maintainers groups | |
| 15:51 | this does not mean anybody can't help with porting, but is to help organize the work | |
| 15:53 | this week humitos started to port GetBooks, and as expected, a big part was easy, but found a few difficults | |
| 15:53 | humitos | gonzalo_: a big part wasn't easy! :( In fact, it was more difficult that I thought |
| 15:53 | gonzalo_ | would be good if when we found this problems, and solutions, post a resume in sugar-devel |
| 15:54 | humitos, hey, don't cry :) | |
| 15:54 | humitos | as I said at #sugar; I would like to complete the Porting guide already written |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | humitos, good :) |
| 15:54 | humitos | I have a lot of things to "re-mark" about porting activities that are not easy to find out |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | we can add porting tips |
| 15:54 | manuq_ | adds info about Clock port to Cairo |
| 15:54 | erikos | gonzalo_: I hope people are aware of http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]/Activity_Porting |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_: for the conventions | |
| 15:55 | garycmartin | erikos: Yes that's a very useful page :) |
| 15:55 | gonzalo_ | erikos, good point, i will add the link |
| 15:55 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes, tipps are great |
| 15:55 | great | |
| 15:55 | gonzalo_ | humitos, you can add your own tips |
| 15:55 | erikos | go manuq_ go |
| 15:56 | dirakx | manuq_: which issues some strings unstranslated?. |
| 15:56 | gonzalo_ | any comment about porting? |
| 15:56 | garycmartin | likes code snippets, makes googling and doc hunts much more successful! |
| 15:56 | gonzalo_ | have another issue to talk |
| 15:56 | manuq_ | dirakx: (yes, example "Run" in the toolbar button tooltip) |
| 15:57 | dirakx: (run, stop running, clear -- all three not translated) | |
| 15:58 | gonzalo_: shoot | |
| 15:58 | dirakx | manuq_: have to check but can be a pootle issue. |
| 15:58 | manuq_ | dirakx: (can you quickly check?) |
| 15:58 | ok | |
| 15:58 | gonzalo_ | The last meeting we was talking about how improve developer experince in sugar |
| 15:59 | i was looking at the Develop activity | |
| 15:59 | dirakx | manuq_: yes strings commented in .po |
| 15:59 | gonzalo_ | was abandoned and didn't start |
| 15:59 | cloned it http://git.sugarlabs.org/~godiard/develop/godiard | |
| 15:59 | manuq_ | hasn't talked about his action items yet |
| 15:59 | gonzalo_ | fixed the issues, added new toolbar, removed dialogs.... |
| 16:00 | now you csan create one activity or edit one existing activity | |
| 16:00 | but no save :) | |
| 16:00 | nothing is perfect | |
| 16:00 | m_anish | gonzalo_, fwiw, me and quozl had done similar brainstorming around pippy a while ago. some of the notes might be useful http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Quozl |
| 16:01 | gonzalo_ | is a work in progress, if anybody is interested, is welcomed |
| 16:01 | erikos | gonzalo_: haha |
| 16:01 | m_anish | gonzalo_, but neither of us ever got the time to implement (maybe its a potential GSoC proposal ;-) ) |
| 16:01 | erikos | gonzalo_: fabukous |
| 16:01 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, good point, i will look at that |
| 16:01 | erikos | <- 'l' |
| 16:01 | manuq_ | gonzalo_: m_anish, cool, an activity like that is much appreciated |
| 16:02 | gonzalo_ | agustin is helping me with the editor |
| 16:02 | :) | |
| 16:02 | manuq_ | also look into agus editor, is a nice editor, and agus may like to be involved |
| 16:02 | gonzalo_ | can read minds :) |
| 16:02 | manuq_ | we can invite him to next dev meeting, if he's not at school |
| 16:02 | gonzalo_: great :) | |
| 16:03 | gonzalo_ | i plan contact to the original authors, and prepare a feature page |
| 16:03 | to discuss ideas | |
| 16:04 | m_anish | gonzalo_, i think on this, you will need to be quite clear on your target audience |
| 16:04 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, this is a tool for activity developers |
| 16:04 | m_anish | gonzalo_, okay |
| 16:04 | gonzalo_ | not for edit sugar or low level stuff |
| 16:05 | m_anish | gonzalo_, and neither for 'learn python from scratch; |
| 16:05 | gonzalo_ | if you can break sugar, do it in the terminal :) |
| 16:05 | m_anish | ? |
| 16:05 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, you have pippy for that |
| 16:05 | m_anish | gonzalo_, yep |
| 16:05 | erikos | gonzalo_: congrats, great effort |
| 16:06 | gonzalo_ | erikos, thanks |
| 16:06 | m_anish | gonzalo_, pippy is not a very good learn from scratch activity, but I get your point. good luck!! :-) |
| 16:06 | erikos | that should be about it for today, I think |
| 16:06 | any urgent comments? | |
| 16:06 | m_anish | erikos, i'd like to quickly discuss a couple of things if there is time? |
| 16:06 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, pippy need improve |
| 16:06 | manuq_ | I haven't talked about my action items :) |
| 16:06 | m_anish | gonzalo_, +1 |
| 16:07 | erikos | m_anish: |
| 16:07 | m_anish: sure | |
| 16:07 | manuq_: I thought we covered them all? | |
| 16:07 | manuq_ | erikos: sorry, the translation one, yes, but not the other... |
| 16:07 | humitos | I have no new actions for this cycle... I'm not sure if that is OK or not |
| 16:07 | manuq_ | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3561 |
| 16:07 | humitos | (1. I'm porting getbooks, 2. I'm working as a firefighter with new bugs) |
| 16:08 | m_anish | so I created a couple of feature pages of stuff we want to get inlcuded in 0.98... As I understand, since gtk3 port is happening, actual code will be accepted after that |
| 16:08 | but until then if we could discuss and approve the design, that would be great | |
| 16:08 | #link Simple Messages Notification system feature page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ages_Notification | |
| 16:09 | #link 3G database support http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]/Database_Support | |
| 16:09 | I'm working on more feature pages, but I guess we could start with these | |
| 16:09 | garycmartin, ^ | |
| 16:09 | I know its a dev meeting and not a design one, but we dont have design meetings nowdays | |
| 16:09 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, will you push the features left out of 0.96? |
| 16:09 | garycmartin | m_anish: yes looking ;) |
| 16:09 | erikos | m_anish: I think discussion should happen on the ml about them |
| 16:10 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, i remember modem configuration was not ready |
| 16:10 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes, correct |
| 16:10 | m_anish | erikos, +1, I just wanted to bring it up (just this once, since this is some of the first feature pages we created with intention of upstreaming for 0.98) |
| 16:10 | garycmartin | m_anish: Perhaps we should organise a design meeting then? Ideally as soon as 12.1 is done? |
| 16:10 | cjl | waves |
| 16:10 | manuq_ | so about #3561 the border in the description entry in Read bookmarks, problem is that gtk3 theme is not displaying the shadow in scrolled windows, so I have yet to figure it out |
| 16:10 | m_anish | garycmartin, that would be awesome! |
| 16:11 | gonzalo_, yes | |
| 16:11 | erikos | m_anish: sure, and as garycmartin says a design meeting would be great as well |
| 16:11 | manuq_ | +1 |
| 16:11 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, i am very happy you are working on that, last cycle was sad :( |
| 16:11 | ajay | gonzalo_, m_anish: in what respect (as to modem configuration wasn't ready) ? |
| 16:12 | m_anish | ajay, i think gonzalo_, means about upstreaming dx features in general |
| 16:12 | gonzalo_ | ajay, didn't landed in sugar upstream |
| 16:12 | ajay | m_anish, gonzalo_: ahh .. ok. |
| 16:13 | m_anish | garycmartin, can I write you an email to coordinate design meeting/review efforts? |
| 16:13 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, also i think you have a lot of stuff, and probably will be diffucult land all. would be good if you can put priorities |
| 16:13 | m_anish | gonzalo_, we have! :-) working on the most high pri stuff first |
| 16:14 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, great |
| 16:14 | m_anish, just courious, what priority have multiple selection in journal ? :) | |
| 16:14 | m_anish | gonzalo_, quite high!! :-) |
| 16:14 | gonzalo_ | nice.... |
| 16:14 | garycmartin | m_anish: an email thread to the dev list would be best, and we (I) at least need to get past the 12.1 cycle, there's lots of review filtering to be done for 12.2 efforts. |
| 16:15 | m_anish | gonzalo_, its an awesome feature IMHO! |
| 16:15 | erikos | has to leave |
| 16:15 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, yes, but will need a lot of review |
| 16:15 | m_anish | garycmartin, what's the (tentative) release date for 12.1 |
| 16:15 | cjl | expects t ocommit en and es PO for clock shortly |
| 16:15 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, July 9 |
| 16:16 | ajay | erikos: just one last query, any updates regarding sl#2201 patches? |
| 16:16 | m_anish | gonzalo_, actually, it might not, since it was extensively discussed with walter et. al. in eduJAM 2011 |
| 16:16 | gonzalo_ | manuq_, you have topics to talk? |
| 16:16 | humitos | cjl: cool |
| 16:16 | m_anish | garycmartin, ah! I'd ideally like to start these discussions much before that! :-/ (by that time We expect to be working on the code) |
| 16:16 | manuq_ | gonzalo_: so about #3561 the border in the description entry in Read bookmarks, problem is that gtk3 theme is not displaying the shadow in scrolled windows, so I have yet to figure it out |
| 16:17 | gonzalo_ | manuq_, ok |
| 16:17 | manuq_ | gonzalo_: maybe ask if that is themeable, otherwise, why is not working in sugar |
| 16:18 | it is working in gnome theme | |
| 16:18 | gonzalo_ | manuq_, ok, we can talk after meeting, erikos is hurried |
| 16:18 | garycmartin | cjl: (Oooh thanks, I get to buy you a beer or two at some point in the future!) |
| 16:18 | manuq_ | gonzalo_: sure |
| 16:18 | erikos | ajay: if you are blocked on me, please ask silbe |
| 16:18 | cjl | en committed, es coming shortly |
| 16:19 | erikos | ajay: I am full head in shell port |
| 16:19 | manuq_ | cjl: cool |
| 16:19 | erikos | ajay: sorry |
| 16:19 | ajay | erikos: okies. thanks and sorry, |
| 16:19 | gonzalo_ | m_anish, silbe is not working anymore in upstreaming? |
| 16:19 | pflores | gonzalo_ the patches are sorted by priority in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]ACPriorityPatches, but this is a prioritization based on AC needs |
| 16:19 | gonzalo_ | ajay, ^? |
| 16:20 | great pflores | |
| 16:20 | cjl | clock es commit http://git.sugarlabs.org/clock[…]3722981841d46dd21 |
| 16:20 | ajay | gonzalo_: no.. nothing like that. just that he is a bit unwell today. |
| 16:21 | erikos | ok, thanks everyone for attending |
| 16:21 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:21 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Jun 12 16:21:39 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:21 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-12T14:47:04.html | |
| 16:21 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]12-06-12T14:47:04 | |
| 16:21 | manuq_ | thanks all! |
| 16:22 | garycmartin | thank folks! |
| 16:22 | looking at clock commit | |
| 16:22 | dirakx | cjl: I think we are having the same clock's problem on pippy :/. |
| 16:23 | humitos | thanks |
| 16:23 | cjl | let's look at pgetext then\ |
| 16:23 | garycmartin: hold off on beer, I still do not see the 60 lines of markup for saying each minute | |
| 16:26 | garycmartin | cjl: Hmmm, I think it's there fine, just didn't need to change (was working fine before, no tinkering needed), it was other strings that needed futzing with to sort out context and TRANS: line break issues. |
| 16:26 | cjl | looks again, had only looked at commit diff |
| 16:26 | garycmartin | :) |
| 16:27 | cjl | whew, ok, I'm good. Thanks for figuring outpgetext oddity. |
| 16:28 | garycmartin | cjl: Glad to have tracked it down, I'm not the original creator of Clock so it's easy to slip past some details. |
| 16:28 | cjl | Fortunately Pootl4e never thro2ws a string away, just obsoletes it at the bottom of the PO :-) |
| 16:29 | All I had to do was fill in the zero for interval as I guess one character is too short to match on. | |
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| 16:30 | cjl | Pootle is dragging a bit today, I will update other langs as it allows. |
| 16:31 | garycmartin | cjl: So assuming my tests here work out for en and es, is there any other language that could be landed if I hold off on a Clock-9 release today? Or should I just test and release v9 ASAP today? |
| 16:31 | cjl | I guess you'll need to generate a new Clock release, Telling dsd tha it is correctign a reversion may get him to accept it. |
| 16:31 | give me an hour or two to answer the question about opther langs. | |
| 16:32 | en-GB will be landing soon, which I think the Aussies use. | |
| 16:32 | And I believe it is actually diff from en-US | |
| 16:33 | farthings per fortnight or something. . . | |
| 16:34 | garycmartin | cjl: Fab, an hour or two also gives me plenty of time to test the es and en strings on a few different XO builds here. Will keep IRC open if you need to ping, and will keep an eye on git changes. |
| 16:34 | cjl: :) | |
| 16:35 | cjl | Where is the list of langs default in the OLPC builds? I'll prioritize my updates |
| 16:35 | garycmartin | cjl: Hmmm, sorry not sure. |
| 16:36 | cjl | I'll find it |
| 16:48 | garycmartin: I found the default lang list for 11.2, I'm assuming no big change. When those langs are recommitted, you can make a build and push for inclusion in 12.x | |
| 16:49 | We can pick up the other langs at our liesure in a build to go into ASLO. | |
| 16:49 | garycmartin | cjl: Fab, that sounds great. |
| 16:50 | cjl | In any event, I have to say that clock is not one of the better localized activities, the pango mark up is jsut too confusing for most localizers. |
| 16:50 | I did go through and add the English as a "suggestion" in Poolte t ogive localizers a model to follow, but it is still somewhat obscure. | |
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| 17:41 | garycmartin | cjl: Just ran a test build with the es.pot on XO-1s with an v.old 802 OLPC build, an old 883 OLPC build, a 12.1.0 13 build, and an XO-1.75 grid membrane with 12.1.0 13 build. All set to Spanish (Peru). All toolbar strings look good (Spanish), and the written text date looks good as well! :) |
| 17:43 | cjl: One interesting item is that the v.old 802 build is pronouncing the time text with a good Spanish accent, but all the others are using a strong English accent... | |
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| 17:55 | cjl | hmmm, the voice is specified by e-speak, I know there is a latin spanish variant, maybe that is the good one. |
| 17:56 | garycmartin: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html | |
| 17:58 | Looks like the PO is specifying es. I wonder if the old build has an old e-speak voice file? | |
| 17:58 | garycmartin | just records it for you to hear ;) |
| 17:59 | cjl | That is about the only thing I can think fo, unless a different voice is specified in the PO, then the diff would have to be in the e-speak voice file being called. |
| 17:59 | garycmartin | Sounds like it is just using the standard default en accent. |
| 18:00 | cjl | Look for presence fo es e-speak voice file. |
| 18:00 | garycmartin | cjl:s |
| 18:00 | ||
| 18:01 | cjl | I'm guessing clock is just relying on the e-speak dependencies pules in by Speak activity. |
| 18:01 | garycmartin | cjl: so the es.pot is asking for es-la (which seems to be good on the very old 802 olpc build). |
| 18:02 | cjl: ahhhh, looks like they are #~ out still... | |
| 18:02 | cjl | so we cahnge the POT to ask for es-la? |
| 18:04 | sorry, not POT, but es.po | |
| 18:04 | goes to recommit es with es-la specified | |
| 18:04 | garycmartin | There should be a "50" for pitch, a "170" for speed, " a "0" for pause, and an "en" for language selection. |
| 18:06 | cjl | garycmartin: http://git.sugarlabs.org/clock[…]e6d396f7665459c97 |
| 18:06 | garycmartin | cjl: The used to have context strings like "espeak-voice" and "espeak-speed" but I removed that as part of the fix last night (avoid using pgettext). |
| 18:06 | cjl | why en for the es PO? |
| 18:07 | garycmartin | cjl: sorry "en" was just the default in the code as an example. |
| 18:07 | cjl | see last commit making it es-la |
| 18:08 | Our Castillian presence is minimal, so I think es-la is fine. | |
| 18:08 | garycmartin | cjl: OK let me test... |
| 18:10 | cjl | garycmartin: double check that the es-la e-speak voice file si rpesent in the build. |
| 18:13 | gonzalo_ | espeak --voices show "es-la" |
| 18:16 | garycmartin, are you testing with os13? | |
| 18:17 | garycmartin | cjl: just for reference, here's what it sounded like on 802 build vs newer. Just testing you new commit now... |
| 18:17 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]Clock_testing.ogg | |
| 18:17 | gonzalo_: yes, both os13 builds (XO-1.75) have the same english accent | |
| 18:19 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, ok, just to confirm you have the sugar patches |
| 18:21 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: yes, text translating looks good, this last item is just about the espeak accent, it sounds like it's falling back to an en pronunciation just now (for Clock at least). |
| 18:21 | cjl | garycmartin: the second sounds like en. the first like es |
| 18:21 | garycmartin | cjl: yep, that's what I thought ;) |
| 18:21 | cjl | need tomke sure the ve-speak voice file is where clock is looking for it. |
| 18:22 | garycmartin | cjl: Sounds like me trying to order food in a Spanish restaurant, so I knew something was up! ;) |
| 18:22 | cjl | :-) |
| 18:22 | tard versus tarday is a good hint | |
| 18:24 | garycmartin | Also 'nochey' v.s. 'notch' ;) |
| 18:24 | cjl | garycmartin: I have no idea where the e-speak files get kept in OLPC builds, but I think you need to find them and make sure clock knows where they are. |
| 18:25 | It is possible something changed there. | |
| 18:25 | garycmartin | cjl: The es-la did not make any difference, still using an english accent. |
| 18:25 | ponders... | |
| 18:25 | cjl | Can you confirm the presence fo the e-speak voice files? |
| 18:27 | garycmartin | cjl: I'm going to go try the Write speak patch gonzalo_ landed, see gonzalo_ I knew there had to be some reason the feature is in the UI twice ;P |
| 18:27 | cjl | ok, You've got my best debugging guess already :-) |
| 18:27 | It is clearly not a Po issue AFAICT | |
| 18:28 | Unless ther eis something funky about how it gets handed over as an argument. | |
| 18:28 | PO files should be UTF-8 encoded. . . | |
| 18:29 | garycmartin | cjl: OK so Write, set to spanish-latin-american, sounds just fine. |
| 18:29 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, i am open to talk about changes.... i wanted involve to the people who was asking for the feature, and if possible, to final users |
| 18:29 | cjl | So does the Write patch look like it can be adapted for Clock? |
| 18:30 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, i am taking your opinion lightly |
| 18:30 | i am not :) | |
| 18:30 | garycmartin, sorry | |
| 18:30 | garycmartin, you can look at the sugar code too ... | |
| 18:31 | garycmartin | cjl: Yes I agree, seems very unlikely to be a Po issue. Your pushes today look good. I'll start digging in Clock and see if I can find anything odd! |
| 18:31 | gonzalo_: ;) | |
| 18:31 | cjl | garycmartin: Just FYI, one of the reasons it is taking me a while is that I am trying to cobble together something useful for pt and pt_BR |
| 18:32 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, in the future, will be good take speed and pitch parameter from gconf too, puting this info in pootle is a recipe for a dissaster :) |
| 18:32 | cjl | gonzalo_: +1 |
| 18:32 | gonzalo_ | and the voice can be based in your locale too |
| 18:32 | cjl | We do not have an e=speak voice for every lang in Poolte |
| 18:33 | But we could always cobble together a lookup table of our own . . . :-( | |
| 18:33 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: cjl Understood, though that would all be new to me (never tinkered with gconf in Python before) |
| 18:33 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, ok, Write code can be useful for you then |
| 18:34 | cjl | Ever since TTS seemed like it was going to land, I've had concerns about not enough e-speak voice files (compared to our Poolte langs). |
| 18:35 | I have pondered tha the way to get into making new e-speak voices was to tweak es for a few national variants to learn about the process and then document it so other langs could start from scratch. | |
| 18:35 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: OT, Hmmm the default font in Write seems to not match the combo box :( It says "Sans" but if you change to a different font, and the back to "Sans" you get a 3rd different font. |
| 18:36 | cjl | goes back to trying to land PO files for the defauly OLPC langs |
| 18:37 | garycmartin | has head in Clock source. |
| 18:38 | (my that could be easily misunderstood! So to clarify I am looking at the Clock source code.) | |
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| 18:48 | garycmartin | cjl: OK so found it, just need to fix it There are two paths for espeak based on what is available to the build, the patch I landed to fix speech in 12.1 (use gstreamer plugin if available) is not passing on any custom option to espeak. This explains why the v.old 802 build sounds fine, it doesn't have the gstreamer plugin for espeak. |
| 18:49 | cjl | Thought it might be something like that |
| 18:50 | garycmartin: At some point (after a usable Clock has been landed for 12.x) I would love to discuss a few ways t oimprove it's i18n that woudl harden it against poor L10n. | |
| 18:51 | garycmartin | cjl: yep ;) |
| 18:53 | cjl | One of the big pushes in the Gnome i18n world this cycle is to keep markup out of Po files :-) |
| 18:54 | I also think we can figure out how to pick up some of the entries from the glibc locale in use and eliminate some the variability there, because we will always have t ohave a glibc locale around. | |
| 18:55 | I have some pointer on how t ocall glibc entries from python. | |
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| 18:55 | cjl | But we will leave tha tto a later date. |
| 18:56 | garycmartin | cjl: yes glibc, I did read your mail threads, just not time to research and didn't seem it fix the specific translation issue with the pointy stick ;) |
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| 20:07 | garycmartin | cjl: Oh joy ;) Have a fix for pasing voice, pitch etc to the gstreamer espeak plugin. Works well, tested across several builds. Unfortunately the old 806 box has reverted to an english accent, turns out it doesn't cope with es-la (no nice fallback), only es is supported. Could you go back to es for the es.po string? I'll likely just manually fix it here to get a new release out tonight. |
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| 20:09 | cjl | np, committing shortly. |
| 20:11 | garycmartin: almost through OLPC default langs. Not all have decent L10n of the markup, but at least that is not a reversion, they never had good L10n :-( | |
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| 20:13 | cjl | reverted to es http://git.sugarlabs.org/clock[…]193726b9c2de609b9 |
| 20:13 | garycmartin | cjl: thanks, will need to take a break for a while and re-test push a Clock-9 release later. But looking/sounding so much better. Hope dsd will accept it. |
| 20:13 | cjl | He is a little wary of L10n changes, but wit htesting hopefully he will accept that it si fixes for Spanish as opposed to broken. |
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