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| 14:46 | jakeP | Hi, new guy here. How long do these meetings generally run? |
| 14:46 | m_anish | jakeP, an hour, usually |
| 14:47 | jakeP | perfect, thanks |
| 14:51 | silbe | jakeP: Welcome! |
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| 14:59 | humitos | hello |
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| 15:00 | manuq | waves |
| 15:01 | m_anish | is listening |
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| 15:01 | garycmartin | Hi guys! |
| 15:02 | manuq | garycmartin: hi! |
| 15:02 | humitos | garycmartin: hello |
| 15:02 | manuq | m_anish: hi! |
| 15:02 | gonzalo_ | hello boys! |
| 15:02 | m_anish | manuq, hola |
| 15:04 | gonzalo_ | erikos, it's time? |
| 15:05 | erikos | hey |
| 15:05 | #startmeeting | |
| 15:05 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Jun 5 15:05:10 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:05 | erikos | who is around for the devmeeting? |
| 15:05 | garycmartin | waves |
| 15:05 | humitos | I'm here |
| 15:05 | m_anish | present |
| 15:05 | erikos | hi garycmartin! |
| 15:05 | manuq | sees m_anish, humitos, gonzalo_ |
| 15:05 | erikos | welcome humitos |
| 15:05 | hello everyone! | |
| 15:05 | thanks for making it | |
| 15:05 | silbe | waves |
| 15:05 | garycmartin | Afternoon erikos! :) |
| 15:06 | gonzalo_ | welcome jakeP too :) |
| 15:06 | jakeP | Hello everyone :) |
| 15:06 | erikos | ohh, hi jakeP! |
| 15:06 | let's start with our first topic then: | |
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| 15:07 | erikos | #topic introducing new contributors |
| 15:07 | jakeP: do you want to say a few words about yourself? | |
| 15:07 | interests, skills,... | |
| 15:08 | garycmartin | favourite colour, beverage ;) |
| 15:08 | erikos | garycmartin: right! |
| 15:08 | jakeP | Yes, 1st year computing student, Gnu/Linux user, FSFE member, Coffee ... |
| 15:09 | erikos | that sounds just about right :) |
| 15:09 | jakeP | Been studying Python all year, looking for ways to help out |
| 15:09 | manuq | great! |
| 15:09 | erikos | thinks it gets better with every line ;p |
| 15:09 | garycmartin | Oh no, not another Coffee drinker ;) |
| 15:10 | erikos | garycmartin: he is british though, afaik |
| 15:10 | bernie: around? | |
| 15:10 | garycmartin | jakeP: Hi, and welcome! |
| 15:11 | silbe | jakeP: how did you become interested in Sugar? What aspects of it interest you (most)? |
| 15:11 | m_anish | jakeP, welcome :) |
| 15:11 | silbe | garycmartin: more tea for us then ;) |
| 15:12 | garycmartin | silbe: :) |
| 15:12 | erikos | do we have any new contributor here? |
| 15:12 | (not to overload jakeP with questions) | |
| 15:13 | silbe | erikos: I guess you mean any *other* new contributor? |
| 15:13 | jakeP | Well I first Looked at the Sugar Platform around a year ago when I put it on my Daughters computer, I love the concept and I think its a worthy cause, I'm strongly opposed to propriety software in education...And it's developed in Python |
| 15:13 | erikos | silbe: activities and server, I put him as well in contact with bernie |
| 15:14 | silbe | jakeP: ah, so you even have a tester of your own, great. :) |
| 15:14 | humitos | erikos: I'm not sure if I am a contributor... but I'm new :) |
| 15:14 | erikos: (at least) | |
| 15:14 | jakeP | Yes, 2 little testers. Oh yes, I'm interested in a little server admin action too |
| 15:14 | erikos | humitos: great, I know you of course, but please introduce yourself |
| 15:15 | gonzalo_ | jakeP, we have a lot of work to do in activities area, i can point you to tasks if you want |
| 15:15 | humitos | erikos: ok |
| 15:15 | gonzalo_ | jakeP, alsroot can be a good contact for server work probably |
| 15:16 | or dirakx ^ | |
| 15:16 | jakeP | gonzalo_, Great :) |
| 15:16 | dirakx | jakeP: welcome |
| 15:16 | alsroot | jakeP: bernie is infra team coordinator, better to ping him at first or email to http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems ML |
| 15:16 | silbe | jakeP: you'll have no scarcity of options what to help with, we can use help in every corner. Just choose whatever you like best. |
| 15:16 | humitos | I'm Manuel Kaufmann, a Python Developer with a couple of years of experience. I knew Sugar (and the OLPC project) some years ago, with the first prototype. I like to juggle with clubs and balls, play the guitar and take photos |
| 15:17 | I prefer to drink Mate (an Argentinian drink) | |
| 15:17 | erikos | alsroot: thanks, I put both in contact already |
| 15:17 | humitos: :) and we have seen a lot of patches floating around from you already | |
| 15:17 | humitos | I belong to the Python Argentina community that helped me A LOT on my Python's learning process |
| 15:17 | erikos | humitos: great to have you on board |
| 15:18 | ok, anyone else, that wants to intriduce himself to the crowd? | |
| 15:18 | silbe | humitos: where are you from? Your name sounds German (no offense intended ;) ), but ISTR that you speak Spanish rather than German? |
| 15:18 | jakeP | humitos: Hi |
| 15:19 | humitos | silbe: yes, my surname is German... but I lost the roots. Actually, I have more contact with my mother's family who is Italian. I'm from Argentina |
| 15:19 | cjb | humitos: just like Martin Langhoff, then |
| 15:19 | erikos | Sugar Labs stays international it looks like |
| 15:19 | humitos | silbe: I would like how to speak German, I like it |
| 15:20 | I would like to know* | |
| 15:20 | silbe | erikos: don't worry, I may have another German joining us soon. <g> |
| 15:20 | humitos | cjb: yes, and manuq and gonzalo_ |
| 15:20 | erikos | ok, we seem to be all cozy now, let's hop on to the next item |
| 15:20 | #topic celebrating 0.96 release, what is left to do?, where we do need help? | |
| 15:21 | cjb | humitos: I meant the Spanish-speaking with German last name :-) |
| 15:21 | erikos | 0.96 itself has been released, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.96/Notes |
| 15:21 | bernie | jakeP: sorry, i haven't gotten around to reply to erikos' email yet. |
| 15:21 | jakeP: and now i'm at work so it's not a very good time for me to chat | |
| 15:21 | erikos | bernie: np, you are still in a reasonable time frame ;p |
| 15:21 | bernie: ttyl, sorry for the interruption | |
| 15:21 | humitos | erikos: I've already made the list of translated activities (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]nslatedBuildOs12). I have some screnshoots to upload, but I couldn't do it yet |
| 15:22 | manuq | erikos: hurray! |
| 15:22 | bernie | erikos: no, thanks for introducing me to jake! |
| 15:22 | erikos | manuq: you are right, we should take a moment of silence and pride! |
| 15:22 | please applaude to yourself for a minute! | |
| 15:23 | bernie | jakeP: meanwhile, have you seen http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ? |
| 15:23 | jakeP: and, in particular, the join page: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/I[…]/Getting_Involved | |
| 15:23 | erikos | ok done :) |
| 15:23 | manuq | hehe |
| 15:23 | erikos | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule |
| 15:24 | we just have/had another bugfix release une 1 Sucrose 0.96.2 Bugfix Release | |
| 15:24 | manuq | s/une/June |
| 15:25 | erikos | I am waiting for humitos results now to see if there are more activities broken in translations other than Words and Physics |
| 15:25 | manuq: thanks | |
| 15:25 | m_anish | erikos, and everyone. 0.96 based builds are surprisingly stable :-) thanks for the awesome work! |
| 15:25 | humitos | erikos: I've just sent it to you |
| 15:25 | erikos | m_anish: of course they are! :) |
| 15:25 | humitos: yes, great | |
| 15:25 | dirakx | wow ..there is now more translations issues ?. bad. |
| 15:25 | jakeP | bernie: no that looks great, I'll read through tonight. |
| 15:26 | bernie | jakeP: pootle is something we could use some help with |
| 15:26 | garycmartin | erikos: Clock as well, if is that fixed by your work? |
| 15:26 | erikos | humitos: I am waiting to release sugar with possibly a fix for SL #3654, the physics issue |
| 15:26 | manuq | great humitos, I can test with the patched sugar, erikos work for #3654 |
| 15:26 | erikos | garycmartin: no, clock is another issue, the po/pot files are borked |
| 15:27 | manuq | ok, lets stand a bit on this one |
| 15:27 | garycmartin | erikos: weird then how it still works on old builds... |
| 15:27 | dirakx | garycmartin: also it seems that there could be an issue with gst..that's why clock is not speaking properly. |
| 15:27 | erikos | garycmartin: there was a release in between ;p |
| 15:27 | manuq | cjl: what do you think is the proper fix? change the code? |
| 15:27 | humitos | manuq: erikos I've tested it some minutes ago, and I could make it work |
| 15:28 | manuq | humitos: changing the es.po and building again? |
| 15:28 | humitos | manuq: what? |
| 15:28 | garycmartin | erikos: who made the Closk relese? |
| 15:28 | (Clock) | |
| 15:29 | erikos | humitos: great work http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]anslatedBuildOs12 that will help us moving forward |
| 15:29 | garycmartin: that I don't know ;p | |
| 15:29 | manuq: gonzalo_ ^ | |
| 15:29 | humitos | erikos: there are missing some screenshots that show the correct missing text (I will upload them after the meeting) |
| 15:29 | manuq | hmm, I see a Clock 9 in ASLO but is 8 in latest git |
| 15:29 | humitos | erikos: greate |
| 15:30 | jakeP | bernie: Yes that was mentioned to me, I had a little read up on it and see it's Django based. So happens, I brought the big Django book a couple of weeks ago and I've been fiddling about with it |
| 15:30 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, i supposed you release clock, right? |
| 15:30 | manuq | no, sorry, I see Clock 8 in ASLO |
| 15:30 | erikos | humitos: thanks |
| 15:30 | garycmartin | Yep Clock-8 is my last release. Is there some other floating around?? |
| 15:31 | dirakx | I only have Clock-8. |
| 15:31 | garycmartin | (Posted on ASLO and source to downloads.sl.org) |
| 15:31 | bernie | jakeP: very cool. none of us has much experience with django. hey, we should probably move to #sugar or postpone this topic. |
| 15:31 | erikos | garycmartin: no, I used version 8 |
| 15:31 | garycmartin: if you look at the po files, there are parts commented | |
| 15:32 | garycmartin: which is the issue here | |
| 15:32 | manuq | yes |
| 15:32 | dirakx | also if translations are wrong it affects SL#3453 |
| 15:33 | manuq | I would like to create a new ticket for the Clock pot bug |
| 15:33 | erikos | ok, let's not byte on this one for too long and coordinate on the topic in #sugar after the meeting |
| 15:33 | so we get an overview of the situation here first | |
| 15:34 | manuq | ok |
| 15:34 | garycmartin | erikos: Well.. for the record I am sitting here with that exact build of Clock-8, running in Spanish just fine, speaking the time... |
| 15:34 | erikos | manuq: sounds good |
| 15:34 | garycmartin | erikos: But just not on 12.1.0 builds... |
| 15:34 | erikos | garycmartin: ok, interesting, we'll figure it out |
| 15:34 | garycmartin | er |
| 15:34 | ||
| 15:35 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, probably is related to the the change in sugar-activity to separate gtk2/gtk32 code |
| 15:35 | erikos | gonzalo_: no, not from my testing |
| 15:35 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i supposed by the patches in sugar-devel |
| 15:36 | erikos | gonzalo_: no |
| 15:36 | gonzalo_ | erikos, but this is the issue with physics? |
| 15:36 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes |
| 15:36 | garycmartin | erikos: pootle issues seem to be a side issue not affecting the bug as far as I can tell. I test my builds on multiple official OLPC builds, and all previous official releases translate just fine for Clock-8 and Physics-9, except the Dev builds of 12.1.0 |
| 15:36 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 15:37 | erikos | manuq: can you rephrase your test results here for everybody, please ? ;p |
| 15:37 | manuq | erikos: yes |
| 15:37 | so, es.po file is wrong, I tried uncommenting and building again and it works | |
| 15:38 | erikos | manuq: in Clock, correct? |
| 15:38 | manuq | yes erikos, in Clock activity |
| 15:38 | erikos | ok, great - let's go into the details then after the meting |
| 15:38 | dirakx | manuq: but still it mangles the speaking..i.e it says son las ocho and the the rest seems in another LANG. |
| 15:38 | erikos | meeting |
| 15:39 | so about 0.96, a big issue seem to be translations in activities | |
| 15:39 | let's make this a topic! | |
| 15:39 | any other major issues encountered? | |
| 15:39 | gonzalo_ | manuq, but this does not explain why clock l10n works in older sugar releases .... |
| 15:40 | erikos | we have the list of bugs at: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]ds&milestone=0.96 |
| 15:40 | manuq | gonzalo_: I haven't tested it |
| 15:41 | erikos | ok, action items for 0.96 then |
| 15:41 | who is fixing Clock for us? | |
| 15:41 | garycmartin | erikos: Is the Browse primary toolbar height fixed yet? (last time I tested it was still shorter than the Frame). |
| 15:41 | erikos | said in his announcement that we will do more action items ;p |
| 15:41 | garycmartin: no, not fixed | |
| 15:42 | garycmartin | erikos: fixing Clock, I will, but it's not broken ;) |
| 15:42 | gonzalo_ | :) |
| 15:43 | erikos | #ACTION garycmartin to proove that Clock is not broken |
| 15:43 | manuq | erikos: I will take it |
| 15:43 | ok | |
| 15:43 | garycmartin | garycmartin: However I can't read spanish, so if you guys are telling me the text is not all in the correct language I need to fix that with a Spanish speakers help! |
| 15:44 | (aka broken in pootle) | |
| 15:44 | erikos | manuq: can you lead the part of looking at the list of actviities that are not translated that humitos did? |
| 15:44 | manuq | garycmartin: just check is other than english :) |
| 15:44 | erikos | garycmartin: haha |
| 15:44 | manuq | erikos: yes |
| 15:44 | garycmartin | manuq: I check Spanish, French, English! |
| 15:44 | manuq | cool |
| 15:44 | erikos | #ACTION manuq follow up on humitos list of non-translated activities |
| 15:45 | anything else on the 0.96 track? | |
| 15:45 | gonzalo_ | erikos, you want distribute the tickets? |
| 15:45 | erikos | btw, if you file bugs and think it should be fixed in 0.96, please add the milestone |
| 15:46 | (be reasonable, as we are already in bug-fix, only regressions mode though) | |
| 15:46 | manuq | garycmartin: I've attached a patch for #3361, can you test and if works, apply? |
| 15:46 | erikos | in case of doubt, add it, and I can move it out if I don't agree |
| 15:47 | gonzalo_: yeah, help is welcome there | |
| 15:47 | garycmartin | manuq: That breaks old, current, deployed releases of Sugar... |
| 15:47 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i will look at #3407 |
| 15:47 | erikos | might make sense to walk through the list and identify items that has no clear owner to work on |
| 15:48 | gonzalo_: great, I will asign to you then | |
| 15:48 | gonzalo_ | done |
| 15:48 | erikos | gonzalo_: :) |
| 15:48 | gonzalo_: easiest to see is in Read, bookmarks dialog | |
| 15:49 | garycmartin | manuq: Physics currently works with every OLPC sugar build release, the first few do not have box2d as a build dependancy. |
| 15:49 | erikos | gonzalo_: the last I have attached |
| 15:50 | gonzalo_ | dirakx, alsroot can you help with new releases of Stopwatch and Speak to fix #3525 ? |
| 15:50 | manuq | garycmartin: ok I will check a bit more |
| 15:50 | alsroot | gonzalo_: not sure who maintains Stopwatch. for Speak, sure |
| 15:52 | erikos | humitos: can you look at the patch posted in #3605? |
| 15:52 | humitos: it is rebased on master now | |
| 15:52 | dirakx | gonzalo_: don't think so. |
| 15:52 | humitos | erikos: yes |
| 15:53 | erikos | humitos: thanks |
| 15:53 | garycmartin | manuq: I have been working on the Physics issue, I have two almost working patches (but failed one way or another in previous builds) am hoping to land one soon. |
| 15:53 | dirakx | alsroot: ok if you can spin out a new version of speak. |
| 15:53 | humitos | erikos: but why there are a lot of patches? |
| 15:53 | gonzalo_ | dirakx, you maintain Speak, right? |
| 15:53 | humitos | erikos: ah, ok... all of them are identical it says |
| 15:53 | erikos: no problem | |
| 15:54 | erikos | manuq: you already followed up on browse plugins/upload, thanks for that |
| 15:54 | manuq | garycmartin: great, you can attach them to the ticket so we can take a look |
| 15:54 | erikos | humitos: :) |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | dirakx, sorry, you maintain Stopwatch, right? |
| 15:54 | erikos | manuq: let's see what dsd says now |
| 15:54 | manuq | erikos: he already answered :) |
| 15:54 | dirakx | gonzalo_: yes. |
| 15:54 | erikos | manuq: ahh, to quick for me ;p |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_: "#3525 Add DescriptionItem to activities with custom toolbars" | |
| 15:55 | gonzalo_: did your final testing? | |
| 15:55 | manuq | erikos: so I will test again based on his comments |
| 15:55 | gonzalo_ | dirakx, any problem with realease a nerw version of Stopwatch with the descritionitem? |
| 15:55 | erikos | just sees http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3525#comment:5 |
| 15:55 | gonzalo_: all fine ^^ | |
| 15:55 | dirakx | gonzalo_: as always is time. |
| 15:55 | garycmartin | manuq: I don't like attaching known broken patches to tickets! But I can email you off list later if you are interested. I was hoping to have this fixed already (but we have a public holiday here are the moment Sat/Sun/Mon/Tues). |
| 15:56 | dirakx | gonzalo_: a release is due for this week with that fix. |
| 15:56 | gonzalo_ | thanks |
| 15:56 | erikos | garycmartin: those royalists |
| 15:56 | garycmartin | erikos: any excuse for a holiday ;) |
| 15:56 | silbe | garycmartin: holidays are good, you can work all day on Sugar then :-P |
| 15:57 | gonzalo_ | silbe, :) |
| 15:57 | garycmartin | silbe: I'm here aren't I! ;) |
| 15:57 | silbe | garycmartin: fair enough :) |
| 15:57 | manuq | garycmartin: a raw patch to keep the rhythm would'n hurt, but good to know you are working on it |
| 15:57 | erikos | garycmartin: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3406 there are screenshots at the bottom, with the result of manuel's patch |
| 15:57 | garycmartin: if you get a chance, see if you are happy | |
| 15:58 | (please see... ^ :) | |
| 15:59 | garycmartin | erikos: Ooh yes, looking good! :) |
| 15:59 | erikos: width seems a little reduced as well (but will need to measure to check). | |
| 16:00 | erikos | manuq: ^^^^^^ |
| 16:00 | manuq | garycmartin: would be better to have black circle white background while pressed, but I'm afraid that would require adding svgs |
| 16:00 | erikos | manuq: feel the proud ;p |
| 16:00 | manuq | garycmartin: you mean width of the entry, or buttons? |
| 16:01 | garycmartin | manuq: The total width of the SpinButton widget, the earlier screen shots were even wider that the new default gtk3 version. |
| 16:01 | manuq | erikos: do you think I can invest time in working svgs for the buttons? |
| 16:02 | garycmartin: got it | |
| 16:02 | erikos | manuq: I wonder if it is worth it |
| 16:03 | manuq: as we will likely replace them anyhow | |
| 16:03 | garycmartin | manuq: I think the active state looks OK as is, not sure back icon with white background is worth it. |
| 16:03 | erikos | garycmartin: agreed |
| 16:03 | manuq | erikos: that's what I was thinking, rapid patch |
| 16:03 | erikos | manuq: yes |
| 16:03 | great, so let's do it | |
| 16:04 | garycmartin | manuq: And we don't change icon colours elsewhere in Sugar, other than grey for the inactive state. |
| 16:04 | manuq | erikos: please clarify, let's do it, with the svgs, or let's left it as is? |
| 16:05 | erikos | manuq: ok :) let's leave as is with the simple solution |
| 16:05 | manuq | garycmartin: we do in gtk2 spinbuttons, they change white bg black fg while being pressed |
| 16:06 | garycmartin | looks |
| 16:07 | jakeP | I'm afraid I have to go to another meeting IRL, but thanks for the welcome...Im' excited to be involved and I'll be back in touch V. shortly |
| 16:07 | manuq | jakeP: thanks for attending and welcome! |
| 16:07 | humitos | jakeP: see you :) |
| 16:07 | garycmartin | manuq: OK, true, but those are standard GTK spin buttons, not using our +/- sugar svgs |
| 16:08 | manuq | garycmartin: ok! do you think they should not change while being pressed then? |
| 16:08 | jakeP has quit IRC | |
| 16:08 | erikos | jakeP: thanks for joinin gin and see you around |
| 16:09 | manuq | garycmartin: or change to light grey, like the scrollbars being pressed? |
| 16:09 | erikos | manuq: light greay sounds interesting |
| 16:10 | gonzalo_ | think this can be discussed later.... |
| 16:10 | manuq | yes, we are loosing other people :) |
| 16:10 | garycmartin | manuq: re:light grey, do you mean the icons, or the background? |
| 16:10 | manuq | garycmartin: background |
| 16:11 | (is the only we can change without svg intervention) | |
| 16:11 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes, lets move on |
| 16:11 | garycmartin | manuq: black background has more contrast than using light grey. |
| 16:12 | manuq | garycmartin: and light grey is being used for the inactive state too :-/ |
| 16:12 | ok, erikos, push as is :) | |
| 16:12 | lets move on | |
| 16:12 | erikos | hehe |
| 16:12 | gonzalo_ | erikos, manuq, i think #3388 can be related to #3407, i can look at this too |
| 16:14 | i have tested it in os12 and continue present | |
| 16:14 | erikos | gonzalo_: you rock! |
| 16:14 | #3561 Read bookmark entry/edit Details area lacks border around text entry area | |
| 16:14 | that one we have a patch ^ | |
| 16:14 | I just need to follow up | |
| 16:15 | manuq | erikos: I can take a look too |
| 16:16 | gonzalo_ | erikos, but the patch was for Read and we decided solve this in sugar-aretwork |
| 16:16 | erikos | moved http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3565#comment:1 out |
| 16:16 | gonzalo_: yes | |
| 16:16 | manuq: be careful, I might say yes ;p | |
| 16:17 | manuq: please do, so I can spend more time on the shell port | |
| 16:17 | manuq | erikos: perfect! |
| 16:17 | erikos: was in my list by the way :) | |
| 16:17 | erikos | #ACTION Gonzalo will have a look at #3407 #3388 |
| 16:18 | #ACTION Manuel will have a look at #3561 to do in the theme | |
| 16:18 | manuq | before we loose more people, I want to say thanks to erikos for this: |
| 16:18 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/A[…]elopment_Fedora17 | |
| 16:19 | erikos | #ACTION humitos will have a look at the patches at #3605 |
| 16:19 | #ACTION erikos to review and push #3406 | |
| 16:20 | if we get all those done we are good and can asign us new tickets :) | |
| 16:20 | bertf | since the meeting is running late already, I guess I shouldn't bring up Etoys? |
| 16:20 | erikos | bertf: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/[…]fo?taskID=4129526 |
| 16:21 | gonzalo_ | erikos, wow :) |
| 16:21 | erikos | pbrobinson: etoys-5 build all fine, right? |
| 16:21 | s/build/built | |
| 16:21 | bertf | looks good :) pbrobinson: thanks! |
| 16:21 | gonzalo_ | pbrobinson, hero! |
| 16:21 | :) | |
| 16:23 | bertf | we still need to discuss the locale files, but mailing list is fine for me |
| 16:23 | pbrobinson | will be an update soon |
| 16:23 | erikos | bertf: yes, email should be fine |
| 16:24 | pbrobinson: bertf unless you guys want to discuss anything now of course | |
| 16:24 | we have a few minutes :) | |
| 16:24 | actually, would be great to have a volunteer for testing the rpm | |
| 16:24 | gonzalo_ | erikos, we need talk aboput development env |
| 16:24 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes |
| 16:25 | humitos: fancy, exploring etoys? ;p | |
| 16:25 | bertf: would be great if you could verify the intended things did make it well, as well | |
| 16:26 | humitos | erikos: I didn't understand you |
| 16:26 | erikos | humitos: sorry :) |
| 16:26 | manuq | humitos: it's worth learning it, you will see how great etoys is :) |
| 16:26 | humitos | erikos: ahh... about test etoys |
| 16:26 | erikos | humitos: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/[…]fo?taskID=4129526 <--- yes |
| 16:27 | humitos | erikos: yes, give the worst task for you, no problem... I have a metal heart |
| 16:27 | pbrobinson | humitos: will be in the updates-testing repo tomorrow |
| 16:27 | humitos | give me* |
| 16:27 | erikos | humitos: :) you rock |
| 16:28 | humitos | erikos: what are the steps that I have to follow? look for the rpm in that webpage, download, install it and then? how I do to run it? |
| 16:28 | gonzalo_ | is downloading it singing a happy song :) |
| 16:28 | humitos, i can help you | |
| 16:28 | lets continue | |
| 16:28 | erikos | gonzalo_: thanks! |
| 16:28 | sooooo, dev envs | |
| 16:29 | #topic environments for development: jhbuild on F17, activity development with F17+Sugar installed | |
| 16:29 | humitos | gonzalo_: ok, thanks |
| 16:29 | erikos | did everybody read the items in the announcment mail, to know what is the topic? |
| 16:30 | takes silence as a yes | |
| 16:30 | humitos | erikos: yes, I did it and I suffered it as well |
| 16:30 | :) | |
| 16:31 | manuq | erikos: yes |
| 16:31 | silbe | checking again |
| 16:31 | erikos | :) |
| 16:31 | m_anish | AFAICT: cross your fingers and say a prayer... or yell on #sugar... whatever works (re: dev env ;-) ) |
| 16:31 | erikos | so, I would like to improve the situation for deveopment environments |
| 16:31 | silbe | d'oh, due to the long quotes I missed the actual text on the second mail. |
| 16:31 | erikos | the easiest entry point for an activity developer is using the system installation on Fedora 17 |
| 16:32 | humitos | erikos: the wiki that you did is a good approach |
| 16:32 | erikos | (if he does not have an XO) |
| 16:32 | humitos | erikos: jhbuild is only necessary if you want to work on sugar itself |
| 16:32 | erikos: but, I think that WE need a better docs about that process | |
| 16:32 | erikos | as humitos said: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/A[…]elopment_Fedora17 |
| 16:32 | I put it on a wiki ^ | |
| 16:33 | humitos | erikos: I was about to add how to send the patch to those steps (at the bottom) |
| 16:33 | erikos | humitos: right jhbuild you only need when you want to develop on the sugar* |
| 16:33 | silbe | humitos: +1, jhbuild is only intended for people working either on Glucose or doing testing on bleeding-edge Glucose. Everybody else should just use distro packages. |
| 16:33 | humitos | erikos: I mean, after doing those things... "I want to send my patch. So, what I have to do?" that's I was about to add |
| 16:34 | silbe: yes... but "distro packages" are *only* (not only but really updated) just on Fedora, Am I wrong? | |
| 16:34 | erikos | humitos: yes, I guess we can just reference the 'code review' page here |
| 16:34 | pbrobinson | Can people add appropriate karma to this once they've tested it https://admin.fedoraproject.or[…]s-5.0.2406-1.fc17 |
| 16:34 | erikos | pbrobinson: good point |
| 16:34 | humitos | erikos: that's right! I was thinking about Code_Guidelines... but I couldn't remember the Code_Review wiki |
| 16:35 | gonzalo_ | erikos, silbe , may be we should remove the activities included in sugar-jhbuild? |
| 16:35 | pbrobinson, yes, i will add points after test | |
| 16:35 | erikos | gonzalo_: you mean to not be misleading? |
| 16:36 | pbrobinson | gonzalo_: exactly, yes please |
| 16:36 | silbe | humitos: yes, but at least partially that's due to users not showing interest in having Sugar natively in their favourite distro. |
| 16:36 | gonzalo_ | erikos, and to do easier maintain sugar-kjhbuild |
| 16:36 | bertf | pbrobinson: I just tested it, works fine, but can I add karma? |
| 16:36 | gonzalo_ | bertf, if you have a fedora user, yes |
| 16:36 | pbrobinson | bertf: yes, if you have a FAS account please do |
| 16:37 | erikos | gonzalo_: but are the activities the real issue in jhbuild? |
| 16:37 | bertf | pbrobinson: I don't. I think. |
| 16:37 | humitos | erikos: silbe there are two tickets that I opened related with jhbuild that are still there (about missing packages) |
| 16:37 | erikos | gonzalo_: and you need something to test the toolkit with |
| 16:37 | silbe | humitos: right now, I'm the only one maintaining sugar-jhbuild, whereas there's at least one maintainer per distro. It's easy to figure out what scales better. :) |
| 16:37 | gonzalo_: why should we (remove Activities from sugar-jhbuild)? | |
| 16:38 | gonzalo_ | silbe, to do easier maintain a small sugar-jhbuild, activities development should be done out of sugar-jhbuyild anyway |
| 16:38 | m_anish | silbe, btw, any point in running buildbot.sl.o again? (re: supporting different distros) |
| 16:38 | silbe | humitos: has anything figured out by now what packages exactly are missing and what parts of Sugar require them? |
| 16:38 | humitos | erikos: silbe I agree with gonzalo_ about removing activities |
| 16:39 | erikos: silbe maybe we can have another script to download activities | |
| 16:39 | erikos | hmm, I disagree |
| 16:39 | silbe | gonzalo_: the Activities in sugar-jhbuild haven't caused any workload in a long time. |
| 16:39 | erikos | we never failed on the activities itself |
| 16:39 | humitos | it's modularization :) |
| 16:39 | gonzalo_ | by example, activities have other dependencies webkit, evince, |
| 16:39 | erikos, maybe you have not coimpiled activities;) | |
| 16:39 | silbe | the problems are Glucose and its dependencies, especially things like Telepathy. |
| 16:40 | humitos | silbe: SL# |
| 16:40 | erikos | gonzalo_: we had a few issues during transitions like with evince |
| 16:40 | humitos | silbe: SL# 3542 and SL# 3559 |
| 16:40 | erikos | gonzalo_: but solving this outside of jhbuild would not have been easier |
| 16:41 | gonzalo_ | erikos, ok |
| 16:41 | erikos | silbe: you are running jhbuild on debian, right? |
| 16:42 | silbe | erikos: yes, I am. Debian Wheezy on a) my desktop (inside a chroot) and b) my XO-1.75. |
| 16:43 | humitos | erikos: me too, but right now I'm on Fedora |
| 16:43 | erikos | silbe: ok, I think at the moment the fedora part is a bit unmaintained |
| 16:44 | but most of the developers are on Fedora (afaik) | |
| 16:44 | we have to even that out somehow | |
| 16:44 | silbe | humitos: re. SL#3559, do you know what part of xorg-x11-apps is needed? |
| 16:45 | humitos | silbe: not sure... it's to generate the cursor icons |
| 16:45 | silbe | erikos: yes, it is. As well as on most other distros. As I said before, help is always welcome. |
| 16:45 | humitos | silbe: there is a command on that package that it's needed |
| 16:46 | m_anish | for distros other than fedora, debian, would it make sense to have a VM image? just plug-n-play and it would work? |
| 16:47 | silbe | erikos: and if someone shows they're up to the job (by regularly posting good patches) I'd even be happy to pass on maintainership to somebody else. But so far, nobody has done so. |
| 16:47 | erikos | ok, I have been posting patches at some places (email threads) for F17, I should post them again |
| 16:47 | silbe | erikos: Patchwork links? |
| 16:48 | erikos | silbe: was in email threads, I will post after the meeting to the ml, so you get them |
| 16:48 | silbe: I have commit access, so I only need your review | |
| 16:49 | silbe | erikos: thanks. (for going to post the Patchwork links) |
| 16:49 | erikos: pushing isn't the bottleneck. :) | |
| 16:50 | erikos | silbe: ;p |
| 16:50 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i will try running soas in a vm, to see if is a possible option to devel env |
| 16:50 | erikos | humitos: gonzalo_ manuq I don't think any of you have experience with something like jhbuild |
| 16:51 | manuq | doesn't |
| 16:51 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes, crying when does not work :) |
| 16:51 | erikos | I will see if I can sort out the situation for us in F17 |
| 16:51 | manuq | hehe |
| 16:51 | erikos | gonzalo_: :) |
| 16:51 | humitos | erikos: I have a month of experience FIGHTING against it when I was trying to compile it on Debian :) |
| 16:51 | erikos | humitos: but that, silbe should being able to help you with ;p |
| 16:51 | humitos | erikos: the good part is that... I wan! :D |
| 16:51 | won* | |
| 16:51 | erikos | humitos: in any case, I thin kit makes sense to have it running well in Fedora |
| 16:52 | gonzalo_ | erikos, +1 |
| 16:52 | humitos | erikos: I can help silbe with jhbuild if you want |
| 16:52 | erikos | silbe: for my shell-port work I need to add pygobject, gobject-introspection, glib |
| 16:52 | silbe: but maybe I should do that in a clone for now | |
| 16:53 | actually already has one | |
| 16:53 | gonzalo_: yes, that is great | |
| 16:53 | gonzalo_: (about soas) | |
| 16:53 | gonzalo_ | erikos, good |
| 16:53 | silbe | FWIW, I'm started to get experience fighting with F17 :-/ Even trying to install it is a PITA. |
| 16:54 | erikos | gonzalo_: if you do take notes, screenshots etc so that we can get something togther like http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/A[…]elopment_Fedora17 |
| 16:54 | gonzalo_ | silbe, Pacific Islands Telecommunications Association? |
| 16:54 | erikos | adds a 'please' ^^ |
| 16:54 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes |
| 16:55 | erikos | gonzalo_: (for screenshots when using the gnome shell you can set a timer for the screenshot tool, just in case) |
| 16:55 | silbe | erikos: if you need a custom version of glib/GTK, you're probably better off either using Gnome jhbuild or building distro packages. I've tried building it inside sugar-jhbuild before and failed. You need to build the entire stack or it will fail in some more and some less subtle ways. |
| 16:56 | gonzalo_: Pain In The backside | |
| 16:56 | gonzalo_ | silbe, :) |
| 16:56 | humitos | silbe: backside-hole :) |
| 16:56 | erikos | silbe: I have it running ok at the moment |
| 16:56 | silbe: but yeah, using the GNOME jhbuild is an option as well | |
| 16:56 | ok | |
| 16:57 | silbe: what is the package situation on debian/ubuntu? | |
| 16:57 | silbe | erikos: good luck, and remember my warning when you chase some mysterious bug. :) |
| 16:58 | erikos: Jonas has updated to 0.96 recently (in time for the freeze), but I haven't gotten around to test it yet. Help welcome! | |
| 16:58 | gonzalo_ | need run... |
| 16:58 | erikos | silbe: and debian has all the gtk3/gobject-introspection/pygobject bits needed? |
| 16:59 | gonzalo_: thanks - ttyl | |
| 16:59 | gonzalo_ | erikos, a last note, i will try to update Develop activity in the weekend |
| 16:59 | more in the next week meeting | |
| 16:59 | erikos | has always requests from people that want to develop on ubuntu |
| 16:59 | humitos | erikos: It seems like we should jump to the next topic and discuss this later, Am I right? |
| 17:00 | erikos | gonzalo_: :) |
| 17:00 | humitos: the debian/ubuntu one? | |
| 17:00 | humitos | erikos: the jhbuild in general, I think |
| 17:00 | silbe | erikos: AFAICT. At least Read seems to work fine, and IIRC Browse starts up as well. |
| 17:00 | garycmartin | needs to run also... |
| 17:01 | erikos | ok, point taken |
| 17:01 | humitos | erikos: maybe we should re-mark what we decided to do about this topic |
| 17:01 | erikos | let's continue next week |
| 17:01 | it is laaaate already | |
| 17:01 | manuq | no action items for the dev env? |
| 17:01 | erikos | manuq: humitos yo uguys are good! |
| 17:01 | humitos | erikos: what I did, now? |
| 17:01 | erikos | #ACTION gonzalo look at soas |
| 17:02 | #ACTION gonzalo look at soas for development of actviities | |
| 17:02 | #ACTION erikos posting his fedora-jhbuild patches | |
| 17:02 | #ACTION erikos working on Fedora 17 jhbuild | |
| 17:02 | anything else? | |
| 17:02 | silbe | pbrobinson: does the latest SoaS still use the fragile overlay method? |
| 17:03 | pbrobinson | silbe: yep because no one has developed an alternative |
| 17:03 | silbe | anyone willing to take an action item on testing native Sugar 0.96 in Debian? |
| 17:03 | humitos | erikos: what about the ticket that I mentioned to silbe related with jhbuild? |
| 17:04 | erikos: #3542 and #3559 | |
| 17:04 | silbe | pbrobinson, erikos: ok. we should be careful about recommended SoaS for development then. At the very least we should mention how large the overlay needs to be to prevent data loss from occuring. |
| 17:04 | (same size as the base file system) | |
| 17:05 | erikos | silbe: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3542 that one seems for you, a general jhbuild issue |
| 17:05 | humitos | silbe: I think that I'm the right one to do that... we are the only Debian users I guess |
| 17:05 | silbe | humitos: I'm trying to set up an F17 VM now to check what exactly we're missing. |
| 17:05 | humitos | silbe: great |
| 17:06 | pbrobinson | silbe: recommending it to who, there's other means of dealing with it |
| 17:06 | silbe | pbrobinson: that was re. "#ACTION gonzalo look at soas for development of actviities" |
| 17:06 | humitos | silbe: so, the test would be: "install sugar from repositories and check that I can login with a Sugar session or run it as sugar-emulator¿" |
| 17:06 | garycmartin | Thanks folks! Running away now. erikos you Activity_Development_Fedora17 wiki page looks good, will give it a run though when I have the time! |
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| 17:07 | pbrobinson | silbe: ultimately if you're going to be using it for development it's recommended you use it as a means of installing SoaS either on a local machine or in a VM at which point the overlay ceases to exist |
| 17:08 | silbe | pbrobinson: ok, then we should mention that wherever we recommend SoaS for Activities development. Thanks for the clarification. |
| 17:08 | erikos | ok, let's finalize here |
| 17:08 | thanks everyone for attending | |
| 17:08 | 5 | |
| 17:08 | we have another week | |
| 17:08 | silbe | humitos: and checking that the Fructose Activities start up and have basic functionality working, yep. |
| 17:09 | erikos | 4 |
| 17:09 | silbe | 4 |
| 17:09 | humitos | silbe: ok, can you point me to the Fructose Activities... because I don't know what they are |
| 17:09 | erikos | 3 |
| 17:09 | silbe | humitos: Read, Browse, Chat, etc. |
| 17:09 | humitos | erikos: shoulnd't that be an action? |
| 17:09 | erikos | humitos: which one? |
| 17:09 | humitos | erikos: I'm not sure what an ACTION means, but just in case |
| 17:10 | erikos: testing Sugar on Debian from the repositories and its activities | |
| 17:10 | :) | |
| 17:10 | silbe | humitos: #action = homework ;) |
| 17:10 | humitos | silbe: yes, but I mean... it seems to be like a command |
| 17:11 | silbe | humitos: yes, it will end up in the meeting minutes rather than just the logs |
| 17:11 | erikos | humitos: let's avoid that for now, you already have a lot on your plate |
| 17:11 | humitos | silbe: erikos ok |
| 17:11 | erikos | humitos: hopefully someone else steps up |
| 17:11 | 2 | |
| 17:11 | manuq | 1 |
| 17:11 | silbe | humitos: testing Sugar in Debian would still be appreciated, they're freezing soon. |
| 17:12 | erikos | 0 |
| 17:12 | #endmeeting | |
| 17:12 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Jun 5 17:12:24 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 17:12 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-05T15:05:10.html | |
| 17:12 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]12-06-05T15:05:10 | |
| 17:12 | silbe | it would be nice to have Sugar well-working in a Debian release for a change. |
| 17:12 | 3 | |
| 17:12 | erikos | cheers everyone |
| 17:13 | manuq | see you on irc! :) |
| 17:13 | humitos | bye guys... I'm leaving this channel |
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