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14:59 | erikos | #startmeeting |
14:59 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Apr 24 14:59:28 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
14:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
14:59 | erikos | opens the room for the dev meeting |
15:00 | gonzalo__ | is here |
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15:00 | callkalpa | is here |
15:00 | m_anish_ | is listening (cellphone-IRC) |
15:00 | garycmartin | waves |
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15:04 | silbe | waves |
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15:05 | manuq | waves |
15:07 | erikos: close the door, the devs that come late can knock | |
15:08 | m_anish_ | :) |
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15:14 | m_anish_ | Is the meeting on? Just checking to see if connected :) |
15:15 | manuq | m_anish_ we are here :) |
15:15 | m_anish_ | manuq okay |
15:17 | erikos | hey, sorry - |
15:17 | so, did people test 0.96? and with which results? | |
15:18 | dsd_ | i've been playing with a few activities and havent seen anything strange |
15:18 | erikos | did people test collaboration for example |
15:19 | dsd_: and in the toolkit-gtk3 activities, no issues at all? | |
15:19 | dsd_ | i noticed that salut presence is working, thats about as far as i went |
15:19 | erikos | dsd_: with which activity? |
15:19 | dsd_ | i used browse to download a couple of activities, was fine |
15:19 | silbe | I've successfully tested the WLAN support (as part of the SSID fix). |
15:20 | dsd_ | salut presence was tested with neighborhood view only |
15:20 | erikos | yeah, wlan is fine |
15:20 | dsd_: ok, I shared chat yesterday, but with browse I had several issues | |
15:21 | Cerlyn: any blockers from your side? | |
15:21 | Cerlyn | for 0.96? Not at this time |
15:21 | erikos | yes, 0.96 , ok |
15:21 | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]pe&milestone=0.96 | |
15:22 | here is our 0.96 list | |
15:22 | looks like translations have not been pushed yet: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3504 | |
15:23 | or are sometimes unfinished | |
15:23 | gonzalo__ | erikos, yes, there are a confict with git in pootle server |
15:24 | erikos | gonzalo__: can you add that info to the ticket please? |
15:25 | garycmartin | erikos: I'd like to release a version of Moon which impacts strings so it gets into 12.1.0, do I have to hold off due to 0.96 string freeze (I have a couple of other activity strings I think I need to change as well for 12.1.0) |
15:26 | gonzalo__ | garycmartin, 0.96 string freeze is for sugar not for honey |
15:26 | garycmartin | gonzalo__: and Fructose? |
15:26 | erikos | garycmartin: moon is outside of the string freeze, as gonzalo__ says |
15:26 | garycmartin: fructose, yes, the string freeze applies here | |
15:26 | gonzalo__ | garycmartin, ^ |
15:26 | erikos | but moon is not part of fructose |
15:27 | manuq | no, it's in honey |
15:27 | garycmartin | as yes :) it's just in the 'Defaults builds'. |
15:28 | erikos | garycmartin: correct |
15:28 | garycmartin | s/as/ah |
15:28 | manuq | gonzalo__: too confusing until we do the renames |
15:28 | garycmartin: ^ | |
15:28 | gonzalo__ | manuq, yeah |
15:28 | garycmartin | Fab, I'll break my po files soon then, certainly for Moon... |
15:28 | manuq | so erikos, there are a couple of bugs still |
15:29 | gonzalo__ | garycmartin, great, we need a new moon :) |
15:29 | garycmartin | thinks Clock will be the other |
15:29 | erikos | manuq: yes, and those are only the ones we (a) found |
15:29 | manuq: and (b) are part of that list | |
15:30 | gonzalo__ | erikos, #3154 (memorize bug) is not for 0.96, should be 12.1.0 |
15:31 | erikos | gonzalo__: changed |
15:31 | more of those bugs that do not apply? | |
15:32 | manuq: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3458 can be moved out, no? | |
15:32 | manuq | erikos: sure |
15:33 | erikos | manuq: actually, it is even a olpc ticket, right? |
15:33 | manuq: is hardware specific | |
15:33 | manuq: and (b) is it a regression? or a nice to have? | |
15:33 | manuq | erikos: is in browse 129 |
15:34 | erikos: tested in olpc build 833 and behaves that way | |
15:34 | erikos: if you think is an olpc ticket I will move it | |
15:36 | erikos | manuq: yes, so if it is a regression over 833, you can add it into the 12.1.0 milestone |
15:37 | manuq: yes, it is hardware specific, so olpc bug tracker | |
15:37 | manuq: it might be triggered by an underlying bug | |
15:37 | manuq | erikos: ok I will, and keep hardware specific tickets in mind for olpc bug tracker |
15:37 | erikos | manuq: but does not affect 0.96 |
15:37 | manuq: great, thanks | |
15:37 | manuq | erikos: right, understood |
15:38 | silbe | erikos: is it actually hardware related (only happening on specific XO-1.75 units) or just operating under memory pressure? What happens if you try it a) on an XO-1 and b) on a non-XO PC with RAM limited to 512MB? |
15:39 | erikos | silbe: you mean 3497? |
15:42 | silbe | erikos: no, I was thinking of SL#3465. I thought that was what you were just discussing. |
15:44 | erikos | silbe: no, we were discussing 3458 |
15:44 | silbe | erikos: how is "step scroll with the XO arrow keys in hand-held mode" hardware related? (there's no description at all, BTW, just the summary) |
15:45 | erikos | silbe: XO arrow key? |
15:46 | manuq | silbe: they are the arrow keys on the screen |
15:46 | erikos | silbe: tell me blockers if you have some |
15:47 | silbe: i think manu understood what I meant | |
15:47 | silbe | erikos: The XO arrow keys are just (keypad) cursor keys. Scrolling in Browse with cursor keys should work on any hardware. |
15:48 | erikos | silbe: please read above what i said to manuq |
15:49 | manuq | silbe: it does work with cursor keys, not with the XO on-screen cursor keys |
15:49 | silbe | manuq: ok, that was the point I was missing (and the description of the ticket was missing as well), thanks! |
15:49 | dsd_ | did you test with keypad cursor keys or just the normal ones? |
15:50 | manuq | silbe: I don't think so, "XO arrow keys in hand-held mode" |
15:50 | silbe: note "in hand-held mode" | |
15:50 | silbe | manuq: but it doesn't say that the regular cursor keys *are* working. |
15:51 | manuq: anyway, let's move on, I got the point now. | |
15:55 | erikos | ok, I am still looking for blockers |
15:55 | either we do not have enough testing | |
15:55 | or there are not really some | |
15:58 | silbe | probably the former |
15:59 | erikos | ok, so I would suggest the following |
15:59 | please keep on testing and file bugs | |
15:59 | silbe | but I don't see much additional testing happening if we're delaying the release |
15:59 | erikos | probably not |
16:00 | dsd_ | and releasing it as final would probably increase the "testing" and find some interesting stuff |
16:00 | silbe | so we might as well just get it out of the door and mention in the release notes that GTK3 support (which is where I'd expect the most bugs) is a huge effort and may still have some rough edges. |
16:01 | dsd_: +1 | |
16:02 | erikos | we have been doing the releasing and getting feedback in previous releases and people were not happy neither |
16:02 | asking how we can release such an unfinished version | |
16:02 | but I guess that is part of the game | |
16:03 | dsd_ | unfortunate, but at least we can tell those people they are welcome to test earlier and help us |
16:03 | erikos | yeah, I guess so |
16:05 | ok, so I think I will just release with what we have and schedule another bug fix release | |
16:05 | dsd_ | sounds good to me |
16:06 | silbe | erikos: +1 |
16:06 | erikos | gonzalo__: silbe how far are we with the clipboard patches? |
16:06 | silbe: and ok with me landing Remove "Extreme Power Management" control panel option, OLPC #11671 | |
16:07 | silbe: and the one about the 'view source key' | |
16:08 | silbe | erikos: as much as I like seeing hardware-specific code go, shouldn't that wait until either 0.97 or at least 0.96.1? Does it break anything? (re. Remove Extreme Power Management) |
16:08 | m_anish_ | erikos, we,ve done tht in dx3 too (remove extreme power management. Its now controlled by a gconf in dx FBI :)) |
16:09 | Fyi | |
16:09 | erikos | silbe: ok, I am ok with doing it in 0.96.1 |
16:10 | silbe | erikos: FWIW, given that we want to do a release now, there are too much outstanding patches for my taste. Maybe we should look at patches in addition to tickets? |
16:11 | every last-minute change means that the release can't have been tested thoroughly | |
16:11 | erikos | silbe: yeah, maybe we should release what we have now, and get all the bug fixes in the 0.96.1 |
16:11 | silbe: that implies that it has been tested before | |
16:11 | silbe | for critical fixes like the SSID fix that's ok, but not for things like adding a keyboard shortcut. |
16:11 | erikos | silbe: :) |
16:12 | silbe | erikos: yes, I'm assuming that developers test as part of their workflow. Testing their own changes usually involves testing other parts of Sugar as well. So even if it's rather limited, it's still more than nothing. |
16:14 | erikos | silbe: ok, let's release and all the rest will be 0.96.1 and future |
16:14 | silbe | erikos: unless there's any critical bug fix floating around (and I don't remember seeing one), we should just release what we have as 0.96.0. |
16:14 | erikos: +1 | |
16:14 | erikos | ok, I will do tarballs later tonight then |
16:14 | but I have a request to everyone: | |
16:15 | manuq | erikos: tell us |
16:15 | erikos | please test, and report all the issues! |
16:15 | - there are olpc builds | |
16:15 | - you can test with F17 beta (install the sugar packages as well on a live image, /me did that yesterday) | |
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16:15 | erikos | - or just install F17 |
16:16 | - and I think there are soas iamges | |
16:16 | the quality depends on all of us! | |
16:16 | any comments, questions, rants? | |
16:17 | dsd_ | F17 preupgrade worked well for me |
16:17 | from F16 | |
16:18 | erikos | cool |
16:18 | manuq | erikos: sure will do |
16:18 | erikos | thaks manuq |
16:20 | manuq | yeah please all let's test sugar as far as we can, so the children in the world can get a nice learning experience |
16:20 | erikos | ok, next week, I want to have 3 bugs filed minimum per person |
16:20 | the new bugs | |
16:20 | I will ask at the beginning of the meeting! | |
16:21 | manuq | erikos: hehe sounds like a nice competition :) |
16:21 | erikos | starts countdown, then |
16:21 | 5 | |
16:21 | silbe | 4 |
16:21 | manuq | 3 |
16:22 | erikos | 2 |
16:22 | 1 | |
16:22 | #endmeeting | |
16:22 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Apr 24 16:22:43 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
16:22 | Minutes: http://meeting.ole.org/sugar-m[…]-24T14:59:28.html | |
16:22 | Log: http://meeting.ole.org/sugar-m[…]12-04-24T14:59:28 | |
16:22 | erikos | thanks for joining in |
16:23 | garycmartin | Thanks all! |
16:23 | silbe | +1, thanks for keeping Sugar going! |
16:25 | erikos | silbe: thanks for the thanks :) |
16:27 | silbe | erikos: I'll try to get AC devs test 0.96, but I can't promise anything as we're about to release ourselves. |
16:27 | erikos | silbe: thanks - that is welcome |
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16:49 | Cerlyn | silbe: Make sure to take that Wifi name patch into Dextrose as it already caused a panic once |
16:54 | silbe | Cerlyn: for sure. I'm quite surprised it came up only recently, as it has been in Sugar for as long as it had WLAN support. |
16:57 | Cerlyn | A certain factory didn't want to accept a Dextrose build over it until the deployment patched it in for us |
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