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| 15:03 | erikos | #startmeeting |
| 15:03 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Mar 27 15:03:58 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:04 | manuq | waves |
| 15:04 | erikos | hey, who is around for the dev meeting? |
| 15:04 | hi manuq | |
| 15:04 | garycmartin | erikos: Hi! |
| 15:04 | erikos | hi garycmartin |
| 15:05 | silbe | is there |
| 15:05 | erikos | hi silbe |
| 15:07 | gonzalo_: ? | |
| 15:08 | gonzalo_ | here :) |
| 15:08 | erikos | silbe: can you comment on the "Do not display APs that announce the ssid in invalid utf-8 data, OLPC #11698" ? |
| 15:08 | silbe: would be good to get that bugfix in | |
| 15:08 | gonzalo_: hey | |
| 15:08 | ok, let's start | |
| 15:08 | silbe | erikos: FYI: I'm currently reviewing your SSID vs. UTF-8 patch. It'll take me some time (though I hope to finish today), but I don't think it should land in its current form. Not sure whether the code is OK as-is, but the description should definitely be changed. |
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| 15:09 | erikos | silbe: comments welcome |
| 15:11 | silbe: such a detailed description and you don't like it | |
| 15:11 | - status of GTK3 port | |
| 15:11 | so the current status is that we do have quite a few regressions still | |
| 15:11 | silbe | erikos: I think it's misleading (more on that in the actual review). But I certainly appreciate the effort that went into it. |
| 15:12 | erikos | in the toolkit-gtk3, Browse and Read |
| 15:12 | silbe: sure, improvements welcome, make sure to read as well the upstream bugs | |
| 15:13 | there is a first olpc build http://build.laptop.org/12.1.0/os5/ | |
| 15:13 | that has the latest rpms for testing | |
| 15:13 | at the moment browse crashes, manu is on it | |
| 15:13 | manuq | erikos: yes |
| 15:14 | erikos | in any case in the current form (which brings us to the next topic) I do not want to release |
| 15:14 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule | |
| 15:15 | any agreement/disagreement? | |
| 15:15 | manuq | erikos: so Browse port is not finished, and there are a few things that are hard to implement, or need to be implemented in webkit first |
| 15:15 | erikos: so I agree | |
| 15:16 | erikos | manuq: there are some items we surely can not land in this cycle |
| 15:16 | silbe | erikos: what are the blocker bugs? |
| 15:16 | erikos | manuq: but we have at least to polish it up |
| 15:16 | silbe: browse crash, does that sound enough? ;p | |
| 15:17 | manuq | erikos: of course |
| 15:17 | silbe | erikos: is there anything affecting Glucose or just Fructose (Browse and Read in particular)? |
| 15:17 | erikos | apart from that there are some more under the 0.96 milestone |
| 15:18 | silbe: basically anything that has to do with the new toolkit-gtk3 | |
| 15:18 | so browse and read | |
| 15:18 | gonzalo_ | http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]nt&milestone=0.96 |
| 15:19 | erikos | for F17 we have to hand in the code by next week, in order to make it into the gold without exceptions |
| 15:20 | so definitely we have to fix some more bugs until then and hand that in | |
| 15:20 | silbe | erikos: we could release Glucose and delay just Browse and Read. Bug fixes to sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that are required for Browse and Read can easily go into 0.96.1. |
| 15:21 | erikos | silbe: but Browse and Read are core components |
| 15:21 | silbe | (assuming there are no blocker bugs for Glucose itself; I haven't checked in detail yet) |
| 15:21 | erikos: yes, core *Fructose* components. | |
| 15:22 | erikos: the old versions of Fructose components should continue to work fine on Glucose 0.96 | |
| 15:22 | erikos | in any case we have a few more days until we need the Fedora tarballs and I want to use that time |
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| 15:23 | erikos | silbe: so if you have bug fixes, hand them in by this week |
| 15:24 | silbe: definitely I want a fix for OLPC #11698 | |
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| 15:25 | silbe | erikos: I usually post bug fix patches as soon as I have them, there's no intentional delay on my side. |
| 15:26 | erikos | silbe: great, just saying if you have something, or there is a bugfix that slipped point it out |
| 15:28 | gonzalo_: activity: - agree on Activity porting guidelines [1] | |
| 15:28 | garycmartin: ^ | |
| 15:29 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes, we talked about the numbering sheme last week |
| 15:29 | garycmartin | erikos: That's a great page, read it through this morning :) |
| 15:29 | erikos: I still have a dotted version concern... | |
| 15:30 | erikos | garycmartin: yes, I like the page as well |
| 15:30 | garycmartin: please, speak out load ;p | |
| 15:30 | garycmartin | erikos: ASLO seems quite happy with dotted version numbers (Abacus and WinipediaEN are already using them), thanks goodness. |
| 15:31 | But test installing a dotted version in build 802, Sugar 0.82.1 (my base test system) fails to recognise the .xo bundle and does not allow it to be installed. | |
| 15:31 | erikos | wasn't aware that there is a Winnie Puuh activity |
| 15:32 | garycmartin | WikipediaEN ;) |
| 15:32 | cjl | I have some concerns about the ne wwebkitgtk based Browse regarding i18n failures upstream. |
| 15:32 | erikos | garycmartin: 0.82.1? |
| 15:32 | cjl | http://l10n.gnome.org/module/webkit/ is not a pretty picture |
| 15:32 | erikos | cjl: one moment please |
| 15:33 | cjl | sorry |
| 15:34 | erikos | garycmartin: waht is the message you get? |
| 15:34 | garycmartin: is there any error handling visible to the user? | |
| 15:34 | garycmartin | erikos: 0.82.1 yea, at least that's what the XO about my computer says. I know it's old but it's what I consider the first fairly robust Sugar that went out on lots of laptops... |
| 15:34 | erikos | garycmartin: ok, fair enough |
| 15:35 | garycmartin: so I discussed it with gonzalo_ the other day ,under which circumstances this happens | |
| 15:35 | - dotted versions will only be made when there is a bug-fix | |
| 15:36 | garycmartin | erikos: No visible errors I could see. The user experience is that the .xo bundle downloads to the Journal, but shows up as an unknown file type. Resuming it does nothing, Starting it from the palette does nothing. The old version of the activity is left intact so no direct damage/loss. |
| 15:36 | erikos | and let's even say, a serious bugfix |
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| 15:37 | erikos | if the bugfix is that important, the deployment (that has 0.82) can make it happen, without the dotted version |
| 15:37 | garycmartin | erikos: I've not had time to test other builds to see how far back Sugar behaves like this... |
| 15:38 | erikos | garycmartin: 0.84 has dotted support |
| 15:38 | I just think we are trying to fix an issue that might not even arise that often, if at all | |
| 15:39 | silbe | garycmartin: it's hard to say because dotted version support was backported to 0.84, so neither early Sugar 0.84 based builds nor 0.86 and 0.88 based builds have it. |
| 15:39 | manuq | thinks that an XO with 0.82 has more things to solve in Sugar side than in activities |
| 15:39 | garycmartin | OK so 0.82 deployments will need to make their own integer releases that will very likely collide with our new versions as they upgrade in the future? |
| 15:39 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, and the not updated xo are usually without connectivty then will not use aslo, nor update activities |
| 15:41 | erikos | garycmartin: I am not saying that there will be no mess, but I am thinking about probability |
| 15:41 | satellit_ | whaat about my DVD of activities for sneakernet installs? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]tion_Kit#ASLOxo-6 |
| 15:41 | gonzalo_ | satellit_, what about that? |
| 15:41 | erikos | garycmartin: do we have another option on the table, that we could compare to? |
| 15:42 | garycmartin: reserving some integers? | |
| 15:42 | satellit_ | will it be bad for these deployments if I update it? |
| 15:42 | garycmartin | erikos: I can only thing of the old +10 int and hope we don't have that many critical bug fixes. |
| 15:42 | s/thing/think/ | |
| 15:44 | manuq | what should we do with the activities that already released GTK3 versions following the dotted numbering? |
| 15:44 | erikos | manuq: yeah, just thought about that |
| 15:44 | manuq: do we have some? | |
| 15:45 | manuq: I mean with bug fixes | |
| 15:45 | manuq | erikos: WikipediaEN and Abacus |
| 15:45 | gonzalo_ | erikos, read and browse |
| 15:45 | manuq | yeah gonzalo_ |
| 15:46 | gonzalo_ | manuq, wikipedia is a different beast |
| 15:46 | erikos | gonzalo_: only in olpc-land I presume? http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]ons/versions/4028 |
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| 15:47 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes, we included small fixes in our image |
| 15:48 | erikos | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 |
| 15:48 | gonzalo_ | erikos, or in other cases translations |
| 15:48 | erikos | gonzalo_: yeah |
| 15:49 | gonzalo_: though in the image is a different case, as we install the os with it | |
| 15:49 | I guess, the main blocker is installation through ASLO, or? | |
| 15:49 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, proabably you will not do more development in gtk2 after porting to gtk3, right? |
| 15:51 | garycmartin | gonzalo_: I'm trying to land as much bug fixes as I can for gtk2, don't plan gtk3 until that is done (but am between a rock and a hard place with that decision). |
| 15:51 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, ok, but in activities, is no so hard the place :) |
| 15:52 | garycmartin | erikos: so the red line has already been passed for a number of the core activities. So I guess the +10 int is just moot and we should just continue with the dotted plan. |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | erikos, ok, any other issue pending? |
| 15:54 | erikos | garycmartin: I think so, to me at least it sounds ok |
| 15:54 | garycmartin | erikos: deployments will need to upgrade to a newer Sugar if they want to take advantage of Activity bug fixes, which kind'a makes releasing dotted gtk2 bug fix Activities a pretty niche market ;-) |
| 15:55 | erikos | gonzalo_: nope, besides bug fixing ;p |
| 15:55 | garycmartin: but that implies the deployments are still at 0.82 | |
| 15:56 | garycmartin: I think most of them are >= 0.84 by now | |
| 15:56 | gonzalo_ | garycmartin, the last 4 images include dotted versions... |
| 15:56 | garycmartin | erikos: my fingers crossed for most folks being >= 0.84.xx |
| 15:57 | erikos | garycmartin: and if a deployment has not updated from 0.82 yet, I bet they have other issues than an activity bugfix ;p |
| 15:57 | garycmartin | erikos: ;) |
| 15:58 | manuq | yes I think so too |
| 15:58 | garycmartin: can I ask a quick question about Physics? | |
| 15:58 | garycmartin | manuq: Sure. |
| 15:59 | manuq | garycmartin: did you ever were in need to recompile the Box2D binary? |
| 16:00 | gonzalo_ | erikos, the meeting ended? |
| 16:01 | manuq | garycmartin: I'm trying to figure out this ticket: #3361 |
| 16:01 | garycmartin | manuq: I don't think it was needed for a crash fix, but we (not me, Brian I think) did recompile to catch up with the latest version last year. |
| 16:01 | manuq | garycmartin: ok, maybe I can contact Brian and ask him |
| 16:02 | garycmartin | manuq: Yes, I've been tracking #3361, don't have time yet to put into future gtk3 & F17 bugs until I have gtk2 releases out of the way (sorry) |
| 16:02 | manuq | garycmartin: the libs that are inside Physics, which are Elements and Box2D, seem for Python 2.5 |
| 16:02 | garycmartin: they are packaged as python eggs | |
| 16:02 | garycmartin | manuq: yep |
| 16:03 | silbe | garycmartin: Personally, I wouldn't care much about deployments that are still running 0.82. Chances are they don't update the activities either. However, I am concerned about deployments that are running 0.88 based builds ("F11+0.88" = Dextrose 1, Dextrose 2). There's a good chance they can't cope with dotted versions. |
| 16:03 | manuq | garycmartin: ok, great! |
| 16:03 | garycmartin | manuq: but it should use the system installed version first, before falling back to those packges. |
| 16:03 | manuq | garycmartin: yes, true |
| 16:04 | gonzalo_ | silbe, but didn't you ported the dotted version changes to 0.88? |
| 16:07 | manuq | ok are we done? |
| 16:08 | silbe | gonzalo_: I certainly didn't (wasn't involved with DX1/2 development) and I don't know if anyone did. |
| 16:10 | walterbender | alwasy blames bernie :) |
| 16:13 | silbe | FWIW, I don't see anything related to dotted versions in http://git.sugarlabs.org/dextr[…]pms/sugar-toolkit so I wouldn't expect DX1+DX2 to support them. |
| 16:15 | I don't think upstream should block on that, but we should make it pretty clear to deployments that there is potential trouble ahead. | |
| 16:18 | anything else left to discuss? | |
| 16:20 | garycmartin | silbe: no, nothing from me |
| 16:20 | silbe | good. erikos, care to close the meeting? |
| 16:22 | erikos seems to have dozed off. Let's call it a day; thanks to everyone for participating! | |
| 16:24 | manuq | thanks everyone! |
| 16:25 | garycmartin | thanks all, have to dash! |
| 16:26 | silbe | garycmartin: have fun! (everyone else too, of course) |
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| 16:35 | bernie | silbe, erikos: sorry, i'm afraid dotted activity versions didn't make it in time for DX2 if they weren't already in sugar 0.88 |
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