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15:03 | erikos | #startmeeting |
15:03 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Jan 17 15:03:37 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
15:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
15:03 | erikos | hey, who is her for the developers meeting? |
15:04 | seen Gonzalo lurking | |
15:06 | gonzalo: ? | |
15:09 | anyone? | |
15:10 | silbe <silbe!~silbe![]() |
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15:12 | silbe | hmm, the backlog was rather short ;) |
15:12 | erikos | yes, nobody around :/ |
15:12 | gonzalo | hello erikos |
15:13 | erikos | ahh, now |
15:13 | gonzalo | hello silbe |
15:13 | erikos | so, let's make a quick one |
15:13 | has an appointment in an hour anyhow | |
15:13 | silbe | erikos, gonzalo: hi! (sorry for being late, my XO crashed and I'm on 3G) |
15:14 | erikos | #topic gtk3 port |
15:14 | - so from my side, I have been progressing on Browse | |
15:14 | my current blocker, which I have no clue how to handle is uploads | |
15:15 | webkitgtk uses the standard filechooser | |
15:15 | and we need to specify our objectchooser to pick from the Journal | |
15:15 | sent a mail to the webkitgtk list but no reply, yet | |
15:15 | if anyone has an idea, hints are welcome ;) | |
15:16 | silbe | erikos: I have an idea that would apply to sugarising other applications as well, but it's a hack that doesn't really have a place in Browse: we could overload the GTK file chooser. |
15:17 | Not sure if GTK provides a way to do that, but an LD_PRELOAD hack should work in any case. | |
15:17 | gonzalo | yeah, cscott showed this in mvd |
15:17 | silbe | gonzalo: mvd? |
15:18 | erikos | gonzalo: showed what? |
15:18 | gonzalo | mopntevideo |
15:18 | silbe | gonzalo: interesting. do you know if the code is available somewhere? |
15:18 | gonzalo | erikos, a trick to replace the gtk chooser by the objectchooser |
15:19 | no, but you can ask to cscott | |
15:19 | erikos | gonzalo: ahh, would be good to know how he did it |
15:19 | silbe | ok |
15:19 | erikos | but I presume it was a hcak-hack |
15:19 | gonzalo | probably, but can be a last resource if there are not another way |
15:20 | erikos | I will keep on trying to see what upstream (webkitgtk) thinks about it |
15:20 | silbe | erikos: my guess would be that they're willing to accept a patch, but not put the work in themselves. |
15:21 | erikos | silbe: not sure, first I need to find some core dev to talk to ;p |
15:22 | silbe | erikos: heh. try asking lucian, he worked with them before AFAIK. |
15:24 | erikos | so, other items in this area |
15:24 | we have as well more work to do in the toolkit and in the theme | |
15:24 | would be great to get a bit of a hand there | |
15:25 | gonzalo | erikos, may be publish a todo list help |
15:26 | erikos, i don't know how is the situation now, but another problem was create the env to work | |
15:26 | erikos | yeah, todo lists are good, I can do that |
15:26 | gonzalo | jhbuild was not enough |
15:26 | erikos | gonzalo: create the env was problematic for whom? |
15:27 | gonzalo | erikos, when i tried i needed help to have all working |
15:27 | erikos | I don't expect anyone besides the core-core dev to start hacking on such things |
15:27 | gonzalo | and later the repos changed |
15:27 | erikos | gonzalo: is your env working now? |
15:28 | gonzalo: if not I am happy to help you fix that up? | |
15:28 | gonzalo | erikos, yes, i am thinking you wanted attract more people |
15:29 | erikos | gonzalo: I meant more, I need people that start help *now* :) |
15:29 | not attract people that I need to train to setup their env before | |
15:29 | gonzalo | erikos, i am working in activities now, if i can help with gtk3 tasks tell me |
15:29 | erikos | gonzalo: yes, please do |
15:30 | silbe | erikos: the you're out of candidates I guess |
15:30 | *then | |
15:30 | erikos | gonzalo: I will tell you the open tasks later and then we can coordinate |
15:30 | gonzalo | ok, i will read the to do list |
15:31 | anyway, we should do a more open call | |
15:31 | erikos | silbe: you don't have any time you were already saying, correct? |
15:32 | gonzalo: who do you expect to show up? | |
15:33 | gonzalo | erikos, i don't know :( |
15:33 | dsd | |
15:33 | benzea | |
15:33 | may be if we can ask help with a specific task | |
15:33 | erikos | yeah, I would say that makes more sense, to ask help for specific tasks |
15:34 | when we are stuck | |
15:34 | daniel is on vacation and benzea we have to ask specifically he sometimes have a blue hour the Sunday | |
15:35 | but the meat (or say plants) are with us | |
15:35 | silbe | erikos: even if I had time, I'd need some help first to get started |
15:35 | erikos | silbe: well, let's try to not talk theoretically :) |
15:36 | silbe: yes or no? (just to confirm) | |
15:37 | ok, let's move on... | |
15:37 | # roadmap | |
15:37 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.96/Roadmap | |
15:37 | Feature and API freeze is soon: | |
15:37 | API/ABI Open Jan 30 2012 | |
15:37 | Feature Open Jan 30 2012 | |
15:38 | so if you have not done so yet, please submit the patches for your Features | |
15:38 | gonzalo | erikos, i will submit a new version this week |
15:38 | erikos | m_anish: what is the status on this one: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]oxy_configuration |
15:38 | gonzalo: thanks! | |
15:39 | silbe | erikos: the patch has already been posted some time ago, but maybe it was just on dextrose@. |
15:40 | erikos | http://patchwork.sugarlabs.org[…]oject/sugar/list/ |
15:40 | silbe | https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/ |
15:41 | erikos | I don't think thetre is one here |
15:41 | silbe | #link https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/ patch for the Proxy configuration feature |
15:41 | erikos: yes, it was just on dextrose@ for some reason. | |
15:42 | (probably not on purpose) | |
15:42 | erikos | ok, feel free to coordinate with your collueges on this one |
15:43 | anything else? | |
15:43 | silbe | erikos: it would be nice if you could take a high-level shot on it and tell me what you think about the approach. |
15:43 | maybe the patch is good enough for the first iteration. after all it's a self-contained CP module. | |
15:44 | erikos | I would prefer if the patch goes to the sugar devel list first |
15:44 | gonzalo | silbe,you already reviewed it? |
15:44 | silbe | gonzalo: yes, I did, see the link above. |
15:44 | erikos: no problem, I'll just re-send it as-is then. | |
15:45 | erikos | and I think there were concerns about the Feature when used with proxy settings set in the image |
15:45 | looks for the link | |
15:46 | silbe | erikos: sorry, I didn't quite grok that. What image? |
15:46 | gonzalo | silbe, the state is "under review" and i see your comments, but i don't know if the patch already addressed your comments |
15:47 | erikos | silbe: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]4:57:04#i_2705608 |
15:48 | gonzalo: ahh yeah, silbe: would be great if the concers could be addressed | |
15:48 | that I don't have to do those again | |
15:49 | silbe | gonzalo: no, there's no new version of the patch yet because alsroot doesn't share my concerns. That's exactly why I'd like erikos' take on it. |
15:50 | erikos | heh, great |
15:50 | alsroot | doesn't know much about silbe's concerns |
15:50 | gonzalo | silbe, one problem we have is erikos have already too many tasks |
15:51 | silbe | erikos: it's impossible to say whether it messes up those systems because we don't know what some random deployment might have used. But we simply set the gconf settings used by Gnome et al., so anything that modified those settings should work fine. Besides, we don't do anything if the user doesn't explicitly change the settings. |
15:52 | gonzalo: same goes with me. And AIUI, erikos will need to review the patch anyway, as I may not Ack it. | |
15:53 | erikos | silbe: in any case, whoever is the author of the patch should submit it for review if he want it to be included |
15:54 | silbe | erikos: we've both sent patches authored by someone else from our team before. git copes well with it. |
15:55 | erikos | silbe: I don't talk about git |
15:55 | silbe: but if a patch does not pass 'internal' review, I don't see why I should particularly care | |
15:56 | espacially if the patch does not have reached me by the process, (yet) | |
15:56 | anyhow | |
15:56 | silbe | erikos: I reviewed it as an upstream Sugar developer. The fact that the patch was on dextrose@ rather than sugar-devel@ seems like an accident. |
15:57 | erikos | silbe: no worries, just sort it out in your team, whoever/however you do...:) |
15:57 | anything else? | |
15:58 | silbe | erikos: if you share my concerns, we'll probably have to drop the Feature for this cycle. If you don't, we can merge it, I'm fine with that. |
15:58 | erikos | starts countdown, a short one today |
15:59 | cjl | You guys seem really busy, but do you know anyone I can bug for action on http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/034900.html |
15:59 | Just a bunch of simple i18n fixes, typos, etc. | |
15:59 | silbe | cjl: hmm, I though ajay worked on them. I'll prod him; thanks for the reminder! |
15:59 | cjl | Want it done sooner rather than later so it lands in Poolte. |
16:00 | thanks | |
16:00 | erikos | silbe: great |
16:00 | tries again: anything else? :) | |
16:00 | gonzalo | nop :) |
16:00 | go erkios, go | |
16:00 | silbe | nothing for today |
16:00 | erikos | 3 |
16:00 | silbe | 2 |
16:01 | erikos | 2 |
16:01 | 1 | |
16:01 | #endmeeting | |
16:01 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Jan 17 16:01:08 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
16:01 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-17T15:03:37.html | |
16:01 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]12-01-17T15:03:37 | |
16:01 | gonzalo | bye! |
16:01 | erikos | looks like silbe likes the countdown :) |
16:01 | bye | |
16:02 | silbe | erikos: it makes more sense for everyone to join in the countdown, so we know nobody is still busy typing |
16:02 | cjl | hey guys, asking as a SLOB member, is Sugar having a problem with getting devs contributing to core feature implementations? |
16:02 | erikos | silbe: ok :) next time |
16:03 | silbe | cjl: we're definitely short on devs. |
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16:03 | cjl | I'm not sure what I can do about it, but this is the sort fo things the SLOBs should think about working to improve. |
16:04 | silbe | cjl: and we're especially short on skilled reviewers (or any reviewers at all). |
16:04 | cjl: IIRC Tomeu had raised that issue before, but without any luck. | |
16:04 | cjl | Community building is a part of the SLOB job (IMHO) |
16:05 | silbe, as you may know, I can be annotingly persistent :-) | |
16:05 | silbe, as you may know, I can be annoyingly persistent :-) | |
16:05 | silbe | cjl: perfect ;) |
16:05 | cjl | no promises, but I want to understand what Sugar Labs points of pain are so they can be tackled. |
16:06 | silbe | cjl: personally I believe we need to make Sugar more suitable to developers to attract them (-> dogfooding), but it certainly doesn't hurt to try (probably is even necessary) to attack the problem from multiple sides. |
16:08 | cjl | Off the top of my head, I think the level of concurren tactivity on X)o-1.75 XO-3 etc. is keeping some typical contribs fro mOLPc from having more impact. |
16:09 | There is no overnight solution, but if you don't start addressing, contribs will never grow into the old-timers you need. | |
16:12 | Part of the challenge is that mentoring by guys like all of you here is a distraction from actually doing dev work, but at some level it is needed. | |
16:12 | Maybe the richest recruiting ground is trying to move some activity devs into glucose hacking. | |
16:13 | silbe | cjl: what we could probably use well are some devs from the Gnome camp (already accustomed to the technologies we use, just new to Sugar itself). I don't know how to attract them, though. |
16:13 | cjl | silbe, possibly at Desktop summit or Gnome meet-ups |
16:15 | that and we talk to our friends at OLPC about bribing them with XO prototypes. :-) | |
16:16 | silbe | cjl: maybe, yeah. though erikos and dsd probably already try that (my personal travel budget got exhausted by Sugar Camp). I guess those at the conferences are already pretty busy themselves. |
16:17 | cjl: thankfully, OLPC already does that (Contributors Program) | |
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16:25 | cjl | silbe do you know Jean Brefort (irc;jean) AbiWord dev? |
16:25 | Apparently Jean has done a lot of gtk2 > gtk3 work | |
16:26 | Did tha work for AbiWord. | |
16:26 | I've got some AbiWord karma points built up from hostin their L10n on our Pootle and I've recently taken on making the PO commits to their SVN. | |
16:27 | I can try over there, but you hate to rob Peter to pay Paul, but if it is framed as a push through the Gnome conversion rather than a change in religion we could try for some cross-project mutual assistance. | |
16:32 | silbe what is the most critical need. patch reviews or what. What is the best way to point someone at bite-sized taks (of the highest priority)? | |
16:32 | or are there no bite-sized tasks. | |
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