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13:44 | rgs | ah nice, i'll be able to attend today's devel meeting (in an hour right?) |
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14:55 | walterbender | rgs: I think the meeting begins in just a few minutes |
14:59 | manuq | walterbender, hi! |
14:59 | erikos | good afternoon everyone! |
15:00 | rgs | waves |
15:00 | erikos | gives one more minute before the roll call |
15:02 | roll call, please! | |
15:02 | who is around for the dev meeting? | |
15:02 | manuq | erikos, hi |
15:02 | erikos | #startmeeting |
15:02 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 15:02:54 2011 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
15:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
15:03 | erikos | makes a note that manu is around |
15:03 | #topic sugar dev meeting | |
15:03 | seen rgs and walterbender | |
15:03 | spotted gonzalo as well | |
15:04 | walterbender | is busy converting activities to Cairo :P |
15:05 | erikos | ok, let's go: |
15:05 | * status of action items from last week | |
15:05 | - check if ASLO supports well having different activity versions, dotted versions and major versions (Manuel) | |
15:05 | manuq: please report ^^^ | |
15:05 | manuq | erikos, well.. |
15:06 | erikos | listens |
15:06 | manuq | ASLO lets us add a field for Compatibility Aplications in each version of the uploaded activity |
15:07 | erikos | yes, like 0.94 or 0.96 |
15:07 | manuq | right |
15:08 | but I messed with the minor versions | |
15:08 | erikos | and the activity-updater code in sugar does not install 0.96 if not on 0.96? |
15:09 | manuq | erikos, I have to test more, I will send my test today |
15:09 | erikos | manuq: one thing I am worried about, is that when you install an activity via browse |
15:09 | manuq | I got confused with the minor versions of the activities |
15:09 | erikos | manuq: I don't think we check the version there |
15:10 | manuq: great, no worries | |
15:10 | manuq | will check today |
15:10 | erikos | manuq: so two things we should check, update via activity updater and browse |
15:10 | manuq: thanks! | |
15:10 | manuq | ok |
15:10 | gonzalo | erikos, in the last meeting somebody said the browser activity sent the sugar version |
15:10 | erikos | next item (unless there are comments here) |
15:11 | gonzalo: a verifier | |
15:11 | - write up cairo porting guide (Walter) | |
15:11 | walterbender: ^ | |
15:11 | walterbender | I added quite a bit to the Porting page in the wiki |
15:11 | erikos | your report please! :) |
15:12 | walterbender | grabs the URL |
15:12 | erikos | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ures/GTK3/Porting |
15:12 | walterbender | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]Drawable_to_Cairo |
15:12 | erikos | I guess |
15:12 | rgs | looks nice, good snippets |
15:12 | walterbender | I updated it based on the latest tweaks from the TA port |
15:13 | rgs | is the TA port in the wild now ? |
15:13 | (i.e.: released & used on XOs) | |
15:13 | erikos | walterbender: this looks great! |
15:13 | walterbender | rgs: yes... v125 is Cairo |
15:13 | rgs | wow, great work |
15:13 | walterbender | rgs: Abacus Cairo is also live |
15:13 | manuq | walterbender, I already read that, very good tips |
15:13 | rgs | El Cairo is the new world capital then! |
15:13 | walterbender | Portfolio will be live later today |
15:13 | erikos | if someone ports an activity to cairo, please use the guide and repotr back, enhance etc |
15:14 | rgs | erikos: which one would be interesting to get ported? |
15:14 | is not sure what other big Cairo activity is out there | |
15:14 | walterbender | we may want to add some links to various Cairo docs on the web... if anyone has favorites |
15:14 | erikos | rgs: gonzalo made a list the othre day |
15:15 | gonzalo: do you have that? ^ | |
15:15 | rgs | oh absolutely, we should start accumulating docs/reference since no docs for PyGI stuff (so having it for the gtk3 activities will be very handy) |
15:15 | erikos: gonzalo : maybe drop that list in the Porting section? | |
15:15 | walterbender | speaking of which, key my ports was the conversion of my sprite library... maybe worth considering adding to the toolkit? also my simple toolbar helper methods? |
15:15 | rgs | so people with free cycles know where to go when looking for work |
15:15 | erikos | rgs: maybe the document page rather |
15:15 | gonzalo | erikos, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ies/PortingToGtk3 |
15:15 | erikos | aeh development page, i meant |
15:16 | walterbender | maybe track the two stages: --> cairo --> gtk3 |
15:16 | erikos | gonzalo: any reason to keep that on the laptop.org wiki? |
15:16 | rgs | walterbender: i think that upstream effort is very important, but maybe we should let the dust settle a bit now that we are making the move? erikos would know best |
15:16 | gonzalo | erikos, no really |
15:16 | rgs | walterbender: (that upstream effort = dropping your helper code in sugar-toolkit) |
15:16 | erikos | gonzalo: ok, feel free tomove over, we are upstream now :))) |
15:17 | gonzalo | erikos, ok :) |
15:17 | erikos | rgs: hmm, I did not fully get that, can you rephrase? |
15:17 | oh sprite library... | |
15:17 | rgs | yeah |
15:17 | Walter's common code | |
15:17 | used in TA, Abacus, etc | |
15:18 | that could be stored in a common place | |
15:18 | to be reused | |
15:18 | gonzalo | erikos, about upstream, we have a RoundBox class in sugar-toolkit, is used in Memorize and Chat, I did a cairo version |
15:19 | inherited of gtk.HBox | |
15:19 | erikos | walterbender: like with any other toolkit addition, I would run it through the process |
15:19 | gonzalo: great, send the patch, I guess? | |
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15:20 | gonzalo | erikos, I am testing it porting Chat |
15:20 | walterbender | erikos: of course... just floating the idea |
15:20 | erikos | ok, great - whenever ready |
15:20 | gonzalo | erikos, when ready I will sent, comment here if anybody else need it |
15:20 | walterbender | next topic then? |
15:20 | erikos | gonzalo: yes, is great |
15:21 | sounds good to me - thanks for working on that! | |
15:21 | * status of the GTK3 port | |
15:21 | so, I have been working on merging our repos to mainline | |
15:21 | basically, talking to silbe and such | |
15:22 | we did not advance yet, as I would have wished | |
15:23 | yesterday with marcopg and dsd we decided to use a separate repo for the new toolkit | |
15:23 | http://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-toolkit-gtk3 | |
15:23 | instead of the branch | |
15:23 | walterbender | out of curiosity, what was the reasoning? |
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15:23 | erikos | repo name == package name |
15:24 | possible easier handling in jhbuild | |
15:24 | walterbender | makes sense :P |
15:25 | erikos | so, I will follow up on that |
15:25 | secondly, benjamin has been doing more work on palettes | |
15:25 | rgs | any progress with palettes/theming? |
15:25 | erikos | toolbars are working a bit better now |
15:25 | but we still crash when hovering | |
15:26 | so, lot's more work to do | |
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15:26 | erikos | theming, we have another hackfest in BsAs in december |
15:26 | rgs | what dates? |
15:26 | erikos | we can attack it there if we do not get at it before then |
15:26 | rgs: 5-16 | |
15:27 | rgs | cool stuff |
15:27 | erikos | rgs: basically olpc-dev meeting |
15:27 | manuq | erikos, good |
15:27 | erikos, will be in Rosario, not BsAs | |
15:27 | erikos | manuq: oh yes, sorry :) |
15:28 | so, that is the status from my side | |
15:28 | others please: | |
15:28 | manuq | erikos, yes we can attack theming then or after |
15:29 | gonzalo | erikos, no more help from theming experts? |
15:29 | erikos | gonzalo: who are the theming expoerts? |
15:29 | walterbender | is not familiar with BsAs |
15:29 | rgs | walterbender: ? |
15:29 | Buenos Aires? | |
15:30 | ahh | |
15:30 | you mean | |
15:30 | with the meeting | |
15:30 | erikos: (has there been a librsvg release?) | |
15:30 | erikos: (so we can drop the ugly kludge I wrote) | |
15:30 | checks | |
15:30 | erikos | gonzalo: benjamin will help as time permits |
15:31 | gonzalo | erikos, ahh, ok |
15:31 | erikos | gonzalo: but I think we have to do the main work |
15:31 | rgs | it seems they did a release yesterday!! |
15:31 | erikos | rgs: ohh-weee! |
15:31 | rgs | which means |
15:31 | we can bump the dep | |
15:31 | and remove that klude | |
15:31 | *kludge | |
15:31 | erikos: you can assign that action to me | |
15:32 | "remove librsvg horrendous stuff in terms of using the introspected version" | |
15:32 | errr... not so fast | |
15:32 | checking release notes | |
15:32 | i think dsd_ said we needed some change in libxml too | |
15:32 | erikos | Version 2.35.0 cool! |
15:33 | rgs | wheeee |
15:33 | dsd_'s commits are there | |
15:33 | so we should be good, I'll give it a spin this evening | |
15:33 | erikos | rgs: yes, we do, right they are there |
15:33 | dsd_ | libxml stuff is no longer needed |
15:34 | rgs | dsd_: so with this release we are ready to rock then? |
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15:35 | gonzalo | rgs, but is be available in fedora? |
15:35 | rgs | gonzalo: I am guessing it'll appear as an update soon-ish |
15:36 | gonzalo: if not, we can make it happen :) | |
15:36 | checks koji | |
15:36 | gonzalo | rgs, great |
15:36 | rgs | gonzalo: not in koji yet |
15:36 | gonzalo: but we could package it and prod the package maintainer | |
15:37 | there is always pbrobinson to saves us all | |
15:37 | ; | |
15:37 | ;) | |
15:38 | erikos | updates the development page |
15:39 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ing_upstream_work | |
15:39 | all of these things are tracked at ^^^ | |
15:39 | what else? | |
15:40 | manuq | I have advanced in Browse port |
15:41 | erikos | manuq: and now you need palettes to work, right? |
15:42 | manuq | erikos, with the work benjamin did for toolbars, I continued working in edit subtoolbar |
15:42 | undo, redo, copy, paste, search | |
15:42 | erikos | manuq: cool, but the activity crashes for you when you hover over a button ,or? |
15:42 | manuq | they were working fine for me |
15:42 | erikos | manuq: (clicking works fine, hovering not) |
15:42 | manuq | erikos, right |
15:43 | erikos | manuq: ok |
15:43 | manuq | however, I'm working on getting downloads back |
15:43 | erikos | manuq: great |
15:43 | manuq | that doesn't need palettes work |
15:43 | erikos | good |
15:44 | gonzalo: your end? anything we should know? | |
15:44 | questions, stuff you are stuck | |
15:44 | gonzalo | erikos, i am removing hippo from chat |
15:44 | erikos | excellent |
15:44 | gonzalo | almost the same code is used in Speak |
15:44 | rgs | gonzalo: nice! |
15:44 | gonzalo | then we can kill to birds with one shot |
15:45 | is not ready yet, but is progressing | |
15:45 | erikos | you mean 'catch two monsters with one cookie'? |
15:45 | gonzalo | erikos, ha ha :) |
15:45 | dsd_ | what ab0out read? |
15:46 | gonzalo | dsd_, Read is working, i am waiting the evince developers finish the review of the needing patches |
15:47 | dsd_, later may be i ask you help to push in fedora, ok? | |
15:47 | dsd_ | ah nice |
15:47 | sounds good | |
15:48 | erikos | btw, I checked quickly abiword today |
15:48 | so they have no introspection support for their widget yet | |
15:48 | and nobody is working on it | |
15:48 | i hope their static bindings keep on working with their new version | |
15:49 | but there are chances this is the case | |
15:49 | gonzalo | erikos, yes |
15:49 | erikos, they released a new version yesterday | |
15:50 | erikos | gonzalo: right, that is why I checked ;p |
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15:50 | gonzalo | erikos, ok :) |
15:51 | erikos | anything else? |
15:52 | 3 | |
15:52 | 2 | |
15:52 | 1 | |
15:52 | gonzalo | erikos, remembering we are aproachinf Features deadline? |
15:52 | erikos | gonzalo: that leads me to my next topic ;p |
15:52 | * current status of the development cycle | |
15:52 | gonzalo: as you have been saying, next monday will be feature submssion deadline | |
15:53 | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.96/Roadmap | |
15:53 | gonzalo: any questions about the procedure? | |
15:53 | (or anyone else) | |
15:53 | gonzalo | erikos, nop :) |
15:54 | erikos | ok, I want to do a release tomorrow |
15:54 | (for now without the gtk3 stuff as I fear this takes longer) | |
15:55 | but i would like to have NM-0.9 support in | |
15:55 | dsd_: how do things look? | |
15:55 | dsd_: any comment about silbe's last comment | |
16:01 | dsd_ | which comment is that? |
16:01 | erikos | dsd_: last mail |
16:02 | dsd_ | i started looking at a mail yesterday |
16:02 | not sure if i'll have time today | |
16:02 | for permissions we should probably just catch and ignore exceptions while deleting | |
16:03 | and i have some code for the reply/async exception comment | |
16:03 | erikos | dsd_: great! |
16:03 | dsd_: you have more time this is the only major change, I will delay if needed | |
16:03 | dsd_: we are close! | |
16:04 | gonzalo: anything activity specific you want to raise? | |
16:05 | gonzalo | erikos, only that i proposed no do a separated activity team meeting, because we are almost all here |
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16:06 | erikos | gonzalo: yes, great |
16:07 | walterbender | +1 |
16:07 | erikos | other than that, anything people want to suggest/change for our current structure? |
16:07 | of the meeting | |
16:07 | or all good as is? | |
16:08 | gathers feedback after 3 meetings | |
16:08 | gonzalo | like it |
16:09 | erikos | starts counting down |
16:09 | 5 | |
16:09 | 4 | |
16:09 | 3 | |
16:09 | 2 | |
16:09 | 1` | |
16:09 | 0.5 | |
16:10 | 0.49 | |
16:10 | cjl | erikos: If you want to talk to AbiWord porter, it was Jean Brefort (irc:jean) often on #abiword |
16:10 | erikos | 0.1 |
16:10 | cjl: already talked to them | |
16:10 | cjl | k |
16:10 | erikos | #enmeeting |
16:10 | heh | |
16:10 | #endmeeting | |
16:10 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 16:10:35 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
16:10 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-15T15:02:54.html | |
16:10 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-11-15T15:02:54 | |
16:10 | erikos | thanks everyone for attending! |
16:11 | gonzalo | erikos, dotted countdown ! :) |
16:11 | cjl | erikos uwog is another good person on abiword in general and someone to rope in on Write porting (as one of the orginal authors) |
16:13 | erikos | gonzalo: :) |
16:13 | cjthanks, I know | |
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16:13 | cjl | gonzalo: did you see my mention of other speakign activities in e-mail |
16:14 | Clock in particular | |
16:14 | walterbender | uses speak in TA |
16:14 | cjl: I had to make my own table to convert locales to speak-locales :P | |
16:14 | cjl | walterbender: I think others do that too |
16:15 | I jsut recognize the particular list fo langs i nthe Po files :-) | |
16:16 | walterbender: One thing we need to think about is gettin a larger group of langs "voice-localized" and submitted to e-speak. | |
16:17 | http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html | |
16:25 | gonzalo | cjl, you say to have a only list of supported languages? |
16:32 | cjl | gonzalo: look at the link above |
16:32 | Those are the supported langs in e-speak. | |
16:32 | You need to create new voice files to support new langs | |
16:33 | they don't exactly correspond to standard locale format or ISO-639 codes although they are based loosly on iso-639 codes | |
16:35 | es is a Castillian es-la is latin american with respect to the seismo "s/th" | |
16:35 | for example | |
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